WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.640 Good morning. I'd like to call the May 28th meeting of Civil Service Commission to order 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:24.520 at 9.01. First order of business is introduction of guests. Fire folks, you're sort of the 00:00:24.520 --> 00:00:29.920 main show today, so I don't necessarily consider you guests, but it's always great to have 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:37.440 you here. Next item of business is public comments. I will make, we did receive one 00:00:37.440 --> 00:00:45.720 public comment that we'll show in the minutes. Third item is the approval of the minutes 00:00:45.720 --> 00:00:53.440 from the March 25th meeting, which we received in the mail. I would entertain a motion that 00:00:53.440 --> 00:01:09.440 we accept the minutes. I move. Second. Any corrections, comments? Hearing none. John, 00:01:09.440 --> 00:01:16.280 were you going to say something? I'm sorry. I was going to say hearing none, seeing none. 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:27.880 Hearing no comments. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Unanimous. Next item of business 00:01:27.880 --> 00:01:38.160 is the fire entrance exam position opportunity announcement, which we received a copy of 00:01:38.160 --> 00:01:47.280 in our minutes. Who's doing this one? That's me. Howdy. Sorry, I got a new stand up desk 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:56.000 thing and now my camera is higher than it used to be. Maybe I'm vertically challenged, 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:04.720 I'm not sure. But yes sir, y'all received a copy of it. Really the only thing we changed 00:02:04.720 --> 00:02:12.120 from last year is the date, obviously. I cleaned up some of the language on the time. There 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:17.000 was some confusion among some of the applicants where we previously had no admittance after 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.520 1 p.m. I guess young people now don't know what that means. So they were like, does that 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:27.440 mean I get there at 1? And I was like, so added begins at 1 and you can't get in after 00:02:27.440 --> 00:02:33.560 1. So last year we only had two people that we had to turn away at the door. So I guess 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:38.920 they somewhat figured it out. And then we also have changed the location. Y'all approved 00:02:38.920 --> 00:02:44.280 an amendment to the last time to change it from the police training area to the civic 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:49.680 center and we're going to keep the same venue, I would assume, unless we get a ton of applicants 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:54.340 and have to change it again to something even bigger. And then we also updated the salary 00:02:54.340 --> 00:03:01.640 to reflect the new ones after the raises this year. Other than that, there is no, there 00:03:01.640 --> 00:03:08.960 were no other changes. It's still firefighter EMT or paramedic, just like last year. There's 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:15.320 no other, I'm scrolling through and looking, there's no other things on there. I may have, 00:03:15.320 --> 00:03:19.160 I don't know if I added this or if it was already on there. We had a guy show up who 00:03:19.160 --> 00:03:23.160 said, oh, I can just show up, right? And I was like, no, you have to have been registered 00:03:23.160 --> 00:03:27.680 already. And he was like, well, surely I did. I registered back in, you know, April or whatever. 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:32.480 And I was like, dude, we didn't even open registrations in July. So you're next. I'm 00:03:32.480 --> 00:03:38.680 sorry. But anyway, so I added, you have to complete registration online before the deadline. 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:48.600 So that's about the only changes. Okay. Good. Questions? I do have a question. Yes, sir. 00:03:48.600 --> 00:03:54.960 Now, how do you pronounce your last name? Glennequin. Glennequin. Okay. Thank you. And 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:00.680 your first name? Well, I go by Mark, but my first name is Robert. So my wife calls 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.800 me that when she's mad. But on the other side of it shows up as Robert. So I answered either 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:11.080 one. So if I call you Robert, if I call you Robert, that means I'm mad. Is that what that 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:15.880 means? Yes, sir. It's okay. I don't answer either one. I've been called Robert, so it's 00:04:15.880 --> 00:04:22.080 fine. Well, Mark, here's my question. I noticed that the, the exam is being held in January 00:04:22.080 --> 00:04:30.280 of 2022. Yes, sir. Why do we wait so long? That's a good question. We have, it's typically 00:04:30.280 --> 00:04:36.280 held the second Saturday in January. It's been that way the past, I don't know how many 00:04:36.280 --> 00:04:43.520 years, but with 143, the list is good for a year. So we gave our last test, it'll be 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:48.320 like one day because the second Saturday deal, but we gave our last test January 9th of 21. 00:04:48.320 --> 00:04:53.240 So I don't know how the cops get around and getting, doing two. Okay. But we only, we 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:59.360 only, we can only do one. Okay. Okay. So the list, the good, the good thing about it, though, 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:03.760 if you think about it this way, the people who take it are on the list for a year. So 00:05:03.760 --> 00:05:10.880 they have a better chance of getting hired than a six month list. Well, I just, when 00:05:10.880 --> 00:05:15.560 I was reading through all the material, I saw that. And then now I also noticed that 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:22.280 there was a, the driver was the, was the, was the salary for the driver the same as 00:05:22.280 --> 00:05:29.000 for the, as the recruit? No, sir. It shouldn't be. I have, I don't know. Did you get a copy 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:35.180 of the pay plan? Well, I was, I was downloading and I may have, I may have downloaded the 00:05:35.180 --> 00:05:40.320 same one twice, but I wanted to make sure that there was a difference. Oh, yes, sir. 00:05:40.320 --> 00:05:43.560 And it's possible to them. We may have an older one on the website. I'll check. It's 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:48.980 been, they've been doing website changes to make it more user friendly, but the driver 00:05:48.980 --> 00:05:56.120 starting salary is 94,000. Okay. That is a, that is a big difference. Yeah. Okay. Thank 00:05:56.120 --> 00:06:04.440 you so much. No problem. Any other questions about, about the, the fighter, firefighter 00:06:04.440 --> 00:06:20.560 POA? I have none. Hearing none, I would entertain a motion to approve. So moved. Thank you. 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:31.480 Okay. Jamie. I was just trying to get unmuted. I would like to second that motion please. 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:39.740 Any other discussion? Hearing none. All in favor of approval of the firefighter, POA, 00:06:39.740 --> 00:06:50.600 say aye. Aye. Opposed. All right. Next item is the eligibility list for the fire driver 00:06:50.600 --> 00:07:01.280 appeals. Who's taking this one? I am. Thank you, Dr. Ramsey. So the driver promotional 00:07:01.280 --> 00:07:09.080 exam, we had 23 members took the test. 16 of those passed it at the last commission 00:07:09.080 --> 00:07:17.620 meeting. You heard seven appeals or seven appeals were submitted on four questions. 00:07:17.620 --> 00:07:27.940 One of those, the commission voted to accept two answers. So that resulted in adding one 00:07:27.940 --> 00:07:39.160 point to 10 people who took the test. There was one of significance in the top 10, number 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:45.520 two and number three, Hillis and Kessler swapped prior to appeals. Kessler was number two. 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:54.160 Hillis was number three post appeals because of that point that Kessler got. Kessler is 00:07:54.160 --> 00:08:03.280 number three. I'm looking at two. I'm trying to figure out which one's the right one. Post 00:08:03.280 --> 00:08:10.040 appeals. So it's Owen Hillis Kessler is the top three now. That was the only change until 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:19.840 you get down into the seventies. One of Mataska who's down at the bottom, he had made a 69 00:08:19.840 --> 00:08:25.440 originally with the point. They gave him a 70. So he moved up the list, but we won't 00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:34.120 get that far into the list. Okay. Thank you, Mike. Any other, any questions? 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:41.760 Dr. Ramsey, I don't have any questions, but I do have a comment. You know, I forget when 00:08:41.760 --> 00:08:49.960 that meeting was and we went over everything. And I don't remember everything that went 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:59.360 on. I do remember Mr. Hoseclaw that they, we did make some modifications, but I don't 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:09.100 keep that stuff with me. Once the meeting is over, I basically file it away or I leave 00:09:09.100 --> 00:09:15.840 it to the responsibility of others to make sure that everything is appropriately documented. 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:21.920 So what I'm trying to say is I don't remember the results, but I'm hoping that the documents 00:09:21.920 --> 00:09:28.080 are that somebody is checking things to make sure that everything that went on is actually 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:32.840 what we're being presented with because I don't remember. So Dr. Ramsey, I don't know. 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:42.440 I just felt, you know, I know as auditors, sometimes we have to certify results and I 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:46.120 don't think we want to get to that point, but I just wanted to make the comment that 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.900 I don't remember everything other than we did make some changes and we didn't agree 00:09:49.900 --> 00:09:56.760 always on the, on the outcome. So those results that were there, I don't remember them, but 00:09:56.760 --> 00:10:02.840 I'm going to rely on both the integrity and the memory of others to make sure that what 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:08.200 we agreed upon is what we're voting upon today. Did you understand that? 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:18.120 We all rely on HR and fire, specifically Mike and Crystal and Stephanie, to make sure that 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:28.000 those results get appropriately assigned and reassigned. And I have a real strong feeling 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:34.760 that they are doing exactly what you've asked. We're asking them to do. So good. Good. I 00:10:34.760 --> 00:10:45.120 trust them implicitly. Those were not disparaging or, or, or fearful thoughts. I just, I see 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:53.000 so many pieces of paper, Doc. Well, and they're the ones that work with it after we get done. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:58.740 So that's their job. They're doing a good one. So you know, from time to time, from 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:03.280 time to time, it's just good to say, is this, is this what's going on? And everyone says, 00:11:03.280 --> 00:11:08.080 yes, John, this is what's happening. So that's why there's three of them doing it. So they're 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:18.000 different from each other. So any other comments or questions? If not, I would entertain a motion 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:27.560 of approval of the fire driver promotional exam results. I moved. And I second. Any other 00:11:27.560 --> 00:11:37.080 discussion? Hearing none. All in favor of fire driver eligibility list, say aye. Aye. 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:45.560 Opposed. Next item of business is the fire captain eligibility list. Thank you, Dr. Ramsey. 00:11:45.560 --> 00:11:53.080 For the captain's exam, we had 10 members that took the test. All 10 of them passed 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:57.500 at the last commission meeting. You heard eight appeals. Eight appeals were submitted 00:11:57.500 --> 00:12:04.360 on six questions. Two of those appeals were accepted by the commission. Both of those, 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:12.760 you allowed two answers to be accepted for those questions. That resulted in six people 00:12:12.760 --> 00:12:19.160 getting an additional one point. But that did not create any changes to the list. The 00:12:19.160 --> 00:12:30.720 list did not change. The order of the list did not change post appeals. Okay. Any questions? 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:37.440 We probably answered this before, Mr. Holtsclaw, but how many more opportunities are coming 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:47.000 online in the future? We don't anticipate adding any new positions. So over the next 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:55.520 year, it will only be filling positions due to retirements, which we have, we know one 00:12:55.520 --> 00:13:02.120 of our battalion chiefs is expected to retire actually next month. So that will result in 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:09.800 a battalion chief, a captain, and a driver promotion. Beyond that, that's all we know. 00:13:09.800 --> 00:13:18.040 It would just be if anyone were to retire or resign in the next year. So the new subdivision 00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:27.720 out across from Robeson Ranch, is that not going to warrant a new station? It may. That's 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:37.880 not something that I know of that's planned for in the next year that we have. The positions 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:43.760 have been approved for. So that's not something that we would expect or I would expect at 00:13:43.760 --> 00:13:50.840 this time. That would be a council decision, correct? Yes, sir. Thank you for entertaining 00:13:50.840 --> 00:14:02.320 my question. Yes, sir. Any other questions? Hearing none, I would entertain a motion for 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:14.520 acceptance of the eligibility list for fire captain. So moved. Second. Any other discussion? 00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:25.360 All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. Next order of business is discussion 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:38.720 of our next meeting. Crystal? This will actually be our last virtual meeting. We are returning 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:45.720 to in-person meeting starting June. I know that will change schedules. So we had anticipated 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:51.640 meeting towards the end of June when we were planning on virtual meeting, but I will circle 00:14:51.640 --> 00:14:57.640 back around and find availability for all three of you before we set on a date because 00:14:57.640 --> 00:15:03.360 I know taxes are wrapping up for Commissioner Baines and things like that. So I know there's 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:13.220 a lot to work with in scheduling it. Probably same as the week of the 21st to 25th. Yes, 00:15:13.220 --> 00:15:18.040 we'll probably be looking at that. I think typically they were held when they were in 00:15:18.040 --> 00:15:24.080 person the third or fourth Wednesday of the month. So we'll look to getting back to that. 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:30.320 Okay. Are we looking to become live again? Are we going to do Zoom again? Yes. This will 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:35.640 be our last virtual meeting. So we will be back to in-person starting in June. So we're 00:15:35.640 --> 00:15:44.120 looking at either the 16th or the 23rd. What do we anticipate on the agenda? I don't have 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:50.800 anything at this point. My last day is the 15th. So if I could request a 23rd, that would 00:15:50.800 --> 00:15:58.040 give me a little relief, please. Yes, sir. You can take the 16th and go to the beach 00:15:58.040 --> 00:16:07.920 and come back. I'll just be laying here the 15th. So I'll be still laying here the 16th. 00:16:07.920 --> 00:16:12.680 So we may all still be doing that because if we don't have anything on the agenda, I 00:16:12.680 --> 00:16:17.560 mean, the reason I ask the question even is that normally after we got all the appeals 00:16:17.560 --> 00:16:26.600 done, it's kind of a slower time till we start up again. So with tests right now, I think 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:39.920 we have all the POAs done, all the materials approved. But anyway, keep that 16th, 23rd, 00:16:39.920 --> 00:16:48.760 let's shoot for the 23rd and go from there. Yeah, the 23rd is best for me as well. I'm 00:16:48.760 --> 00:16:52.760 having a medical procedure on the 16th, so you guys aren't going to want me to be voting 00:16:52.760 --> 00:17:03.960 on anything that day. Fantastic. We will absolutely look at June 23rd. We wish you will. All right. 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:10.080 Well, if there's nothing else for the good of the order, I would entertain a motion of 00:17:10.080 --> 00:17:27.800 adjournment at 918. So moved. Second? Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you all. 00:17:27.800 --> 00:17:34.680 Thank you. We'll see you in June. Thank you. See you in June.