1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,640 Good morning. I'd like to call the May 28th meeting of Civil Service Commission to order 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:24,520 at 9.01. First order of business is introduction of guests. Fire folks, you're sort of the 3 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,920 main show today, so I don't necessarily consider you guests, but it's always great to have 4 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:37,440 you here. Next item of business is public comments. I will make, we did receive one 5 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:45,720 public comment that we'll show in the minutes. Third item is the approval of the minutes 6 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:53,440 from the March 25th meeting, which we received in the mail. I would entertain a motion that 7 00:00:53,440 --> 00:01:09,440 we accept the minutes. I move. Second. Any corrections, comments? Hearing none. John, 8 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:16,280 were you going to say something? I'm sorry. I was going to say hearing none, seeing none. 9 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:27,880 Hearing no comments. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Unanimous. Next item of business 10 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:38,160 is the fire entrance exam position opportunity announcement, which we received a copy of 11 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:47,280 in our minutes. Who's doing this one? That's me. Howdy. Sorry, I got a new stand up desk 12 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:56,000 thing and now my camera is higher than it used to be. Maybe I'm vertically challenged, 13 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:04,720 I'm not sure. But yes sir, y'all received a copy of it. Really the only thing we changed 14 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:12,120 from last year is the date, obviously. I cleaned up some of the language on the time. There 15 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,000 was some confusion among some of the applicants where we previously had no admittance after 16 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,520 1 p.m. I guess young people now don't know what that means. So they were like, does that 17 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:27,440 mean I get there at 1? And I was like, so added begins at 1 and you can't get in after 18 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:33,560 1. So last year we only had two people that we had to turn away at the door. So I guess 19 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,920 they somewhat figured it out. And then we also have changed the location. Y'all approved 20 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:44,280 an amendment to the last time to change it from the police training area to the civic 21 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,680 center and we're going to keep the same venue, I would assume, unless we get a ton of applicants 22 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,340 and have to change it again to something even bigger. And then we also updated the salary 23 00:02:54,340 --> 00:03:01,640 to reflect the new ones after the raises this year. Other than that, there is no, there 24 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:08,960 were no other changes. It's still firefighter EMT or paramedic, just like last year. There's 25 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:15,320 no other, I'm scrolling through and looking, there's no other things on there. I may have, 26 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,160 I don't know if I added this or if it was already on there. We had a guy show up who 27 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,160 said, oh, I can just show up, right? And I was like, no, you have to have been registered 28 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,680 already. And he was like, well, surely I did. I registered back in, you know, April or whatever. 29 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,480 And I was like, dude, we didn't even open registrations in July. So you're next. I'm 30 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,680 sorry. But anyway, so I added, you have to complete registration online before the deadline. 31 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:48,600 So that's about the only changes. Okay. Good. Questions? I do have a question. Yes, sir. 32 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:54,960 Now, how do you pronounce your last name? Glennequin. Glennequin. Okay. Thank you. And 33 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:00,680 your first name? Well, I go by Mark, but my first name is Robert. So my wife calls 34 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,800 me that when she's mad. But on the other side of it shows up as Robert. So I answered either 35 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,080 one. So if I call you Robert, if I call you Robert, that means I'm mad. Is that what that 36 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,880 means? Yes, sir. It's okay. I don't answer either one. I've been called Robert, so it's 37 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:22,080 fine. Well, Mark, here's my question. I noticed that the, the exam is being held in January 38 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:30,280 of 2022. Yes, sir. Why do we wait so long? That's a good question. We have, it's typically 39 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:36,280 held the second Saturday in January. It's been that way the past, I don't know how many 40 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:43,520 years, but with 143, the list is good for a year. So we gave our last test, it'll be 41 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,320 like one day because the second Saturday deal, but we gave our last test January 9th of 21. 42 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,240 So I don't know how the cops get around and getting, doing two. Okay. But we only, we 43 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:59,360 only, we can only do one. Okay. Okay. So the list, the good, the good thing about it, though, 44 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,760 if you think about it this way, the people who take it are on the list for a year. So 45 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:10,880 they have a better chance of getting hired than a six month list. Well, I just, when 46 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,560 I was reading through all the material, I saw that. And then now I also noticed that 47 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:22,280 there was a, the driver was the, was the, was the salary for the driver the same as 48 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:29,000 for the, as the recruit? No, sir. It shouldn't be. I have, I don't know. Did you get a copy 49 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,180 of the pay plan? Well, I was, I was downloading and I may have, I may have downloaded the 50 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:40,320 same one twice, but I wanted to make sure that there was a difference. Oh, yes, sir. 51 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,560 And it's possible to them. We may have an older one on the website. I'll check. It's 52 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,980 been, they've been doing website changes to make it more user friendly, but the driver 53 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:56,120 starting salary is 94,000. Okay. That is a, that is a big difference. Yeah. Okay. Thank 54 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:04,440 you so much. No problem. Any other questions about, about the, the fighter, firefighter 55 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:20,560 POA? I have none. Hearing none, I would entertain a motion to approve. So moved. Thank you. 56 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:31,480 Okay. Jamie. I was just trying to get unmuted. I would like to second that motion please. 57 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:39,740 Any other discussion? Hearing none. All in favor of approval of the firefighter, POA, 58 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:50,600 say aye. Aye. Opposed. All right. Next item is the eligibility list for the fire driver 59 00:06:50,600 --> 00:07:01,280 appeals. Who's taking this one? I am. Thank you, Dr. Ramsey. So the driver promotional 60 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:09,080 exam, we had 23 members took the test. 16 of those passed it at the last commission 61 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:17,620 meeting. You heard seven appeals or seven appeals were submitted on four questions. 62 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:27,940 One of those, the commission voted to accept two answers. So that resulted in adding one 63 00:07:27,940 --> 00:07:39,160 point to 10 people who took the test. There was one of significance in the top 10, number 64 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:45,520 two and number three, Hillis and Kessler swapped prior to appeals. Kessler was number two. 65 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:54,160 Hillis was number three post appeals because of that point that Kessler got. Kessler is 66 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:03,280 number three. I'm looking at two. I'm trying to figure out which one's the right one. Post 67 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:10,040 appeals. So it's Owen Hillis Kessler is the top three now. That was the only change until 68 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:19,840 you get down into the seventies. One of Mataska who's down at the bottom, he had made a 69 69 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,440 originally with the point. They gave him a 70. So he moved up the list, but we won't 70 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:34,120 get that far into the list. Okay. Thank you, Mike. Any other, any questions? 71 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:41,760 Dr. Ramsey, I don't have any questions, but I do have a comment. You know, I forget when 72 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:49,960 that meeting was and we went over everything. And I don't remember everything that went 73 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:59,360 on. I do remember Mr. Hoseclaw that they, we did make some modifications, but I don't 74 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:09,100 keep that stuff with me. Once the meeting is over, I basically file it away or I leave 75 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:15,840 it to the responsibility of others to make sure that everything is appropriately documented. 76 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:21,920 So what I'm trying to say is I don't remember the results, but I'm hoping that the documents 77 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:28,080 are that somebody is checking things to make sure that everything that went on is actually 78 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,840 what we're being presented with because I don't remember. So Dr. Ramsey, I don't know. 79 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:42,440 I just felt, you know, I know as auditors, sometimes we have to certify results and I 80 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,120 don't think we want to get to that point, but I just wanted to make the comment that 81 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,900 I don't remember everything other than we did make some changes and we didn't agree 82 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:56,760 always on the, on the outcome. So those results that were there, I don't remember them, but 83 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,840 I'm going to rely on both the integrity and the memory of others to make sure that what 84 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:08,200 we agreed upon is what we're voting upon today. Did you understand that? 85 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:18,120 We all rely on HR and fire, specifically Mike and Crystal and Stephanie, to make sure that 86 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:28,000 those results get appropriately assigned and reassigned. And I have a real strong feeling 87 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:34,760 that they are doing exactly what you've asked. We're asking them to do. So good. Good. I 88 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:45,120 trust them implicitly. Those were not disparaging or, or, or fearful thoughts. I just, I see 89 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:53,000 so many pieces of paper, Doc. Well, and they're the ones that work with it after we get done. 90 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,740 So that's their job. They're doing a good one. So you know, from time to time, from 91 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:03,280 time to time, it's just good to say, is this, is this what's going on? And everyone says, 92 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:08,080 yes, John, this is what's happening. So that's why there's three of them doing it. So they're 93 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:18,000 different from each other. So any other comments or questions? If not, I would entertain a motion 94 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:27,560 of approval of the fire driver promotional exam results. I moved. And I second. Any other 95 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:37,080 discussion? Hearing none. All in favor of fire driver eligibility list, say aye. Aye. 96 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:45,560 Opposed. Next item of business is the fire captain eligibility list. Thank you, Dr. Ramsey. 97 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:53,080 For the captain's exam, we had 10 members that took the test. All 10 of them passed 98 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,500 at the last commission meeting. You heard eight appeals. Eight appeals were submitted 99 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:04,360 on six questions. Two of those appeals were accepted by the commission. Both of those, 100 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:12,760 you allowed two answers to be accepted for those questions. That resulted in six people 101 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:19,160 getting an additional one point. But that did not create any changes to the list. The 102 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:30,720 list did not change. The order of the list did not change post appeals. Okay. Any questions? 103 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:37,440 We probably answered this before, Mr. Holtsclaw, but how many more opportunities are coming 104 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:47,000 online in the future? We don't anticipate adding any new positions. So over the next 105 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:55,520 year, it will only be filling positions due to retirements, which we have, we know one 106 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:02,120 of our battalion chiefs is expected to retire actually next month. So that will result in 107 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:09,800 a battalion chief, a captain, and a driver promotion. Beyond that, that's all we know. 108 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:18,040 It would just be if anyone were to retire or resign in the next year. So the new subdivision 109 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:27,720 out across from Robeson Ranch, is that not going to warrant a new station? It may. That's 110 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:37,880 not something that I know of that's planned for in the next year that we have. The positions 111 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,760 have been approved for. So that's not something that we would expect or I would expect at 112 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:50,840 this time. That would be a council decision, correct? Yes, sir. Thank you for entertaining 113 00:13:50,840 --> 00:14:02,320 my question. Yes, sir. Any other questions? Hearing none, I would entertain a motion for 114 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:14,520 acceptance of the eligibility list for fire captain. So moved. Second. Any other discussion? 115 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:25,360 All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. Next order of business is discussion 116 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:38,720 of our next meeting. Crystal? This will actually be our last virtual meeting. We are returning 117 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:45,720 to in-person meeting starting June. I know that will change schedules. So we had anticipated 118 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,640 meeting towards the end of June when we were planning on virtual meeting, but I will circle 119 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:57,640 back around and find availability for all three of you before we set on a date because 120 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:03,360 I know taxes are wrapping up for Commissioner Baines and things like that. So I know there's 121 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:13,220 a lot to work with in scheduling it. Probably same as the week of the 21st to 25th. Yes, 122 00:15:13,220 --> 00:15:18,040 we'll probably be looking at that. I think typically they were held when they were in 123 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:24,080 person the third or fourth Wednesday of the month. So we'll look to getting back to that. 124 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:30,320 Okay. Are we looking to become live again? Are we going to do Zoom again? Yes. This will 125 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,640 be our last virtual meeting. So we will be back to in-person starting in June. So we're 126 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:44,120 looking at either the 16th or the 23rd. What do we anticipate on the agenda? I don't have 127 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:50,800 anything at this point. My last day is the 15th. So if I could request a 23rd, that would 128 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:58,040 give me a little relief, please. Yes, sir. You can take the 16th and go to the beach 129 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:07,920 and come back. I'll just be laying here the 15th. So I'll be still laying here the 16th. 130 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,680 So we may all still be doing that because if we don't have anything on the agenda, I 131 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,560 mean, the reason I ask the question even is that normally after we got all the appeals 132 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:26,600 done, it's kind of a slower time till we start up again. So with tests right now, I think 133 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:39,920 we have all the POAs done, all the materials approved. But anyway, keep that 16th, 23rd, 134 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:48,760 let's shoot for the 23rd and go from there. Yeah, the 23rd is best for me as well. I'm 135 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,760 having a medical procedure on the 16th, so you guys aren't going to want me to be voting 136 00:16:52,760 --> 00:17:03,960 on anything that day. Fantastic. We will absolutely look at June 23rd. We wish you will. All right. 137 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:10,080 Well, if there's nothing else for the good of the order, I would entertain a motion of 138 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:27,800 adjournment at 918. So moved. Second? Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you all. 139 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:34,680 Thank you. We'll see you in June. Thank you. See you in June.