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 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the planning and zoning commission

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 work session for May 19 2021. Seeing that we have a quorum, I will call the meeting

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 to order at 504. The first item of business is to we have one citizen comment on the consent

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 agenda, at least they filed a note. So I just wanted to read this for the record for the

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 consent agenda. Make sure it's right. Yep, three a, we had someone against it. And just

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 for the record, their comment said against any development meeting via zoom. This is

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 undemocratic. Anyone knowing anyone know anything about rental property by my house, I saw your

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 sign in the neighbor's yard. That's the comment against item three a. Moving on from that,

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 we have work session report, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction

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 regarding downtown parking. Not sure who's presenting on this this evening. Richard who's

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 got this one. Ron and Ron will be presenting. I think Cameron's also here. Christian Pernetta.

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 Yeah, and this is just procedural. You know, not what we're going into with regard to the

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 consent agenda. So when as probably other members of the commission have noticed, we

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 have had a barrage of objections on everything from from like a single citizen over the last

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 few weeks. When, you know, counselors and like that is having to review objections to

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 a particular thing. When we get kind of blanket, you know, blind objections on those, let's

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 go to the numbers. Are there something that they need to consider when they're, you know,

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 like, you know, when we get the little things that go, how many objections do we get something?

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 Does that count? Or or does it not count? Because they're not people that are within

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 the area that chases the area. All of them get counted. Yes. If it's if it's a rezoning,

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 that's the only time that that 20 the rezoning or an SGP. If that if is when the 20% rule

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 kicks in. Typically in those instances, if it's unclear, we've had some where they didn't,

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 you know, didn't check that they were for or against, but seem to be maybe for it but

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 not really staff will follow up with them to try to clarify clarify their comment. If

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 we can sometimes they'll they'll submit stuff and we just don't have a way to follow up

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 or they never never respond. But in these instances, it is, you know, it is an action

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 that's, you know, where PNC is the final, you know, final authority, if you will. But

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 they do get, you know, they do get logged and are included in that overall comment list,

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 if it were to go through a public hearing. All right, Ron, whenever you're ready.

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 Let me go ahead and start bring up the presentation of the y'all can see and hear me. So, this

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 is another presentation of a planning boot camp series of requests that we are responding

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 to at the thing. It was a couple meetings ago where the planning zoning commission requested

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 a boot camp or at least presentation regarding downtown planning or downtown parking, excuse

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 me, specifically how parking is regulated in the downtown. One of the things that I

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 would like to share with the planning zoning commission as we get to that particular topic

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 is just to kind of give the planning zoning commission and the viewing public, you know,

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 what are the parking goals for downtown kind of give us a little bit of background. Also,

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 where is parking available today kind of gives us what's existing on the ground. For that

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 part of the presentation, Cameron Robinson, our historic preservation officer and planner

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 will be making that presentation. So, we'll be switching when that topic comes up. And

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 then lastly, we'll again talk about how is parking regulated specifically for the downtown

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 area. So, a couple of plans that we have and I think most of you are familiar with the

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 downtown master plan. This was done back in 2000, early 2000 and in the plan, it had a

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 number of goals in terms of a number of different various topics, but parking was obviously

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 a big part of their discussion when this was drafted. You can see that the goal for the

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 downtown back then is similar to what it is today. We want a mix of uses. We want entertainment.

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 We want a nice place for people to walk and enjoy the outdoors in the downtown. But they

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 also address the question about parking. You know, is there a need for additional parking?

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 What are the solutions? And is there really a need for parking or is it just a perception

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 as far as availability? So, all of that was addressed through the downtown master plan

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 and we continue to do respond to these types of questions throughout the years that followed

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 again, answering those similar questions and we hope that we can try at least to answer

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 them in this presentation and any future studies that we do. So again, I just want to highlight

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 a couple of the recommendations as it relates to parking for the downtown and again, the

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 master plan, the downtown master plan, had some recommendations, solutions, strategies.

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 A couple of them, I'll just read off the list here, is maximized on street parking. Of course,

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 we want to make sure that we increase our parking as much as we can on street specifically,

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 create sufficient parking facilities. You know, today we have a number of parking facilities

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 on Oak, on Cedar, on Hickory, of course, but we can continue to acquire properties and

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 we should continue to acquire properties for either surface parking lots or even a possible

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 parking structure. Shared parking and after hours, the opportunity there is to have where

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 there's uses that don't necessarily need parking during after hours or certain days that that

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 could be used for the parking that's needed for the downtown. The recommendations from

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 the downtown master plan also talked about improving the walking environment. Again,

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 that is true today. We want to make sure that when you park, you're able to get to where

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 your destination is. So improving the sidewalks, the lighting is something that our engineering

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 and CIP group is working on continuously. Parking study, I'm going to leave that for

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 Cameron to discuss. She's got a couple of topic discussions related to parking study

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 and that's something that we will certainly need to do in the near future. Short-term

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 parking, making sure that, you know, once someone parks, it's not there forever, that

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 if there's a retail establishment, there's an opportunity for multiple individuals to

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 use that parking space through a short-term parking our set. And then just helping to

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 change people's perceptions as far as, you know, the lack of parking. There is parking,

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 but it's just not in front of where they want to be. Moving on to the downtown implementation

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 plan, often referred to as DTEP, it also had recommendations. This was more of a follow-up

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 to the downtown master plan. And you see on the list there that they're very similar to

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 what the downtown master plan was recommending. I think the only two or three, maybe the way

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 finding the cash cash in lieu and early action parking projects were added to that list.

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 So I'll share in the next couple of slides, some of the things that the city has done

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 and other recommendations that have been accomplished as part of both the downtown master plan and

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 the DTEP. The first one is, you know, increase public parking, create additional parallel

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 and angle entry parking on existing streets. We see that in the Hickory street area, that

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 area was redeveloped or reconstructed, where it created more parking through creating angle

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 parking back in specifically. Also, the recommendation was to create, you know, more parking lots

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 in the downtown. And specifically Cedar, Hickory and Exposition were not only there, but were

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 expanded or enhanced through efforts by the city. So this slide here shows what Hickory

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 street looked like pre the pre construction. And you can see that the parallel parking

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 was very limited or very, very limited as far as number. And it took a lot of area in

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 the middle of Hickory street. After construction, it narrowed the street and added more parking.

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 And so you can see the back end parking there as it is today. So again, accomplishing what

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 the recommendation was for creating more on street parking. Shared parking as well. We

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 talked a bit about that and the DTEP recommended having the system in which shared parking

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 was created or to be created through this program. And then form-based code parking

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 calculation was another recommendation from the DTEP. Both have not yet been implemented,

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 but that's something that the staff is looking into. Ron, we do have a question, Mr. Anderson.

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 Thanks, Chair. Ron, whose idea was to do the back end parking? I hear more complaints.

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 When I talk to people, I tell them on PNZ, they hate it. Everybody hates it. They want

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 to get rid of it. Is there something we can talk about about getting rid of that? I don't

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 know if that's the House or City Council. Sorry to cut you off there. Yeah. Obviously,

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 that is something that has been discussed with staff. I'll tell you, I think, where

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 it came from. I'll say traffic or engineering. The idea there was pulling out was safer through

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 a back end parking. As you leave that space, you're not backing into traffic. You're actually

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 leaving facing the area that you're trying to get into. So that's where it generated

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 from. And again, proposed and council approved and we moved forward. So as far as how we

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 address that, I think it would be something that we just need to bring up to council.

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 Because I know people and it's happened to me multiple times when you're trying to pull

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 up and go up Hickory and these people don't use their blinker and they'd stop in the middle

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 of the street and all of a sudden you're on their tail and then they're waving their hand

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 they're mad at you trying to back up. Now you can't back up because you got cars behind

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 you. So then they get mad. They have to drive off. I just think it's a horrible idea. I

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 agree with most of the people that are complaining about it. I go up there quite often and it's

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 just miserable. Yeah, no, we've heard and like I said, the only I think remedy would

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 be to, you know, it would cost money obviously to retrofit that and that's something that

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 garage right there off of that Mulberry Mulberry. Yes. And I mean, that would be a nice structure

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 to see if they wouldn't work some kind of partnership with us with the city. Yeah, no,

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 definitely something we've also talked about. I think it's really just working on that agreement

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 So definitely something that we've discussed. We just haven't really implemented yet. Okay.

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 Thanks Ron. Let's go on to the next slide here.

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 So this is just kind of illustrate the the other recommendation from the detail and that

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 is to enlarge the existing public parking. For those that are familiar with this site,

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 this site is the Cedar parking lot. It used to have the central fire station, the one

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 of the original fire stations. It no longer is there, of course. And what we have now

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 is 30. It was 33 parking spaces. Now we have 85 parking spaces, 52 new spaces as a result.

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 And this is what we have today. So quite an improvement. It did accomplish a lot of the

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 recommendations. One, obviously improve the area, but also add additional parking and

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 in this case, 52 additional parking that you see here for the Cedar Street parking lot.

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 is to create that signage, you know, to help educate individuals where parking is located

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 as well as try to market where parking can be where people can park. Sorry. So what we

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 we found that we needed to market the downtown or promote the downtown through signage as

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 well. That grew to a citywide wayfinding project. So in the end, we have a wayfinding science

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 project that I believe is quite nice and helps not only direct, you know, our tourists and

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 our visitors to the downtown. It also helps, you know, with the parking. So the examples

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 that you see here primarily help guide individuals, motorists to those parking lots that we have

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 So you can see that both, you know, pole signs that help create a trail to the parking. We've

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 actually have parking signage where it talks about or shows that it's free parking so people

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 know that that's a public parking lot. We also have it along within and on. There are

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 traffic signal lights so that when you're driving, you can again see where parking is

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 and it's directing you to those parking lots. So a lot of help has been done to help direct

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 people to these parking lots. And so again, wayfinding was one of the recommendations

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 you know, if a person or a business wanting to develop was required to provide parking,

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 they can have a choice in paying in lieu of parking, establishing parking. And the idea

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 a parking garage built in the idea is to again create more parking spaces. We also had other

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 recommendations in terms of, you know, walk zones, creating an incentive for reduced parking,

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 the University or the college. And then also guidelines for truck deliveries. The issue

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 addressed that as part of the detail. Last, I think this last slide before Cameron comes

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 in place the TURS, the downtown TURS, and so there's that in place. As you all probably

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 know, it's more of a taxing finance program where the money that is generated by increased

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 whatever it may be. So I think that's been the main focus of the city and if there is

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 an opportunity for that cash in lieu program, certainly that's another finance tool that

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 Street check, you know, that's done. Development of parking lots, we've done that with Cedar

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 lot there on Mulberry and Hickory. Wayfinding, we've done that. Road and streetscape improvements

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 on Hickory Street, we've also done that. And then the striping and angle parking on industrial,

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 to talk a bit about that, so I won't speak to that. And then elevate and modify parking

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 fine structure. That's something that we will work with the police department that has not

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 >> Hi, everyone. So I'm going to talk about the parking that we have today in downtown.

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 So over the years, the city and other entities such as the Denton Main Street Association

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 have undergone parking surveys to establish the quantity, location, and the usage of parking

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 in the downtown Denton area. So the map provided by the Denton Main Street Association breaks

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 down the parking into public and private, as well as their hours of availability. On

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 the map shown, there are nine free public parking lots, primarily along McKinney Street,

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 as you see here, five of which are within the 1/4 mile radius or within approximately

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 five minutes walking distance from the downtown area. There are also two paid parking lots

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 near the square, one at the Wells Fargo building, as well as the other at Walnut Street and

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 South M Street. There's also ample on-street parking in the downtown area. So we have timed

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 two-hour street parking available along West and East Oak Streets, as well as Hickory Streets,

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 and within the immediate vicinity of the square. Unlimited street parking is available further

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 south and north along Elm and Locust Streets, and just outside the vicinity of the downtown

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 square, such as along East and West Sycamore Street and Industrial Street. So in total,

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 if you look at the parking spaces here in downtown that Denton Main Street Association

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 put together, there are approximately 2,096 total parking spaces in the downtown area.

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 This breaks down to approximately 861 street parking, 148 paid parking, and 1,087 public

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 parking lots. However, this does not include the new development services parking lot that

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 will be at the North Elm Street and Parkway Boulevard corner. When this opens, this will

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 eventually be open to the public for parking on weeknights and weekends. This will provide

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 an additional 148 parking spaces for a total of 2,244. So, just to continue on some of

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 the parking that we have today, once again, this is a Denton Main Street Association resource

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 unlimited and two hour public street parking in the downtown area, which is highlighted

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 So that kind of gives you an idea of where parking is, you know, currently and I appreciate

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 We have a lot of parking now. And what we have in place in the DDC, the Denton Development

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 requirements, and that is properties that are less than 5,000 square feet in lot area,

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 with less or 10 or less units do not have to provide parking. So again, no parking required

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 the need for additional parking would not be necessary. Now, if you're proposing either

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 much parking they would need for the customers they can take in at a time. And with apartments,

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 if we build up a downtown that has grocery and food and access to the university or we

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 have mobility planned, why, why are we enforcing a minimum?

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 of the apartment. So that's what I was referencing, you know, anything above 10, but back to your

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 that's above 10 units would need to provide that. That is a policy question or policy

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 direction that we got from city, city council at the time when we first had this requirement

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 drafted, it's been in the, in, in the development code since I've been here. So I can't answer

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 that question as to why we isolated that primarily, but again, that is something that was determined

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 they put apartments above that. 10 or more. Yes. 10 or more units. Yes. Is it 10 or more

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 Okay. That's probably not likely. Okay. Thanks. Part of the interruption. Right. And I'm just

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 going to, just to kind of carry forward with that, you, you know, where, where are they

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 particular lot that they're developing on. Yeah. And then obviously this is a council

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 decision and not P and Z, but if we're trying to incentivize infill and this urban area,

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 parking is going to be a massive player in that and requiring it of any kind, I think

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 deters incentivizing walkability because we're just putting more cars on the streets and

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 this might be pie in the sky, but it seems if the city really wants to incentivize some

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 downtown urban urbanality, if that's a word, then we should just build a parking garage

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 and let everyone who builds downtown have access to it would be a really random idea.

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 But again, if we start enforcing a ton of parking, I think we're shooting ourselves

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 in the foot of what I think downtown is designed or hoped to be. That's my soapbox, Ron. Thanks

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 for listening. That's a great point. And again, I want to

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 development code. And again, we have a table 791 or 790 that is where it aligns basically

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 Back to the section 7.9 in terms of parking alternatives and Chair, I don't know if this

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 Shared or offsite parking, that is an option for property. So again, we talked about having

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 that with the college, but if there were two property owners that have the ability to share

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 parking, that is also an option as long as they meet the location and documentation requirements.

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 you can remove one parking space requirement from your development. Proximity to transit,

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 that's up to 10% reduction and we obviously we have the downtown transit center. Affordable

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 and senior housing, up to 25% reduction in terms of your required parking spaces and

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 space by one. So that is also available as parking alternatives. Director determination,

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 that it does not in other locations or they have got some studies that they can provide,

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 the director can reduce that parking spaces as well. And then the next couple of slides

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 or items here is really under section seven nine parking loading and drive throughs. Most

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 likely not going to happen in downtown area, but it does cover areas outside of downtown

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 and then also bicycle parking. We do require that one bicycle parking space be provided

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 for each 20 vehicle parking space. So that is to increase, encourage bicycle use in parking

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 as well. That concludes my presentation in terms of how we regulate parking. If you all

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 >> Thank you, Chair. Kind of to Chair Rosell's point, how much parking is actually needed

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 downtown Ron? There's obviously an environmental capacity at some point in time. I know there's

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 plenty of we've had plenty of discussions and analysis have done by multiple different

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 groups that have looked at what areas can we increase parking. But has the question

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 ever been asked and the answer ever been given of how much parking is needed? What's the

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 maximum amount of parking that is truly going to be needed for environmental capacity downtown

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 if everything was built out, which we're at the point now we've had quite a bit of infill

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 and you know, in late hours on Tuesdays, you know, the parking space across City Hall where,

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 you know, it's on Oak and McKinney, that's always crowded. Cedar street parking lot is

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 also crowded in the evening. So I think that there is a demand for parking and there's

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 obviously a lot of businesses that benefit from it. But I think if we start to grow the

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 way we think we're going with more restaurants, with more housing or other development in

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 the area, we're going to need more parking. And so there has to be a balance, right, with

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 you mentioned the environmental component of it. I don't think it has been studied.

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 I think it was more of an economic, you know, study. I think the environmental study I don't

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 think has been done in my understanding. But back to your question, as we continue to grow,

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 the downtown grows, not only in uses and size of the development, parking is going to be

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 something that we definitely need to have. And if it's going to be a public parking structure

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 or something to that effect, then that's something that we need to do. And of course, as I mentioned

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 earlier, the tours was one of those, one of the reasons why we created that tours program

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 to do so. And that was started back in 2010, 2011. So we've increased, you know, obviously

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 adding more parking to the downtown area. And that's not to draw away because I know

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 we've got an entire other agenda we got to get to tonight. But, you know, I don't know

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 if this conversation, Ron, if you guys looked at leadership didn't did a project around

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 downtown parking at one point in time. I don't know if anything went back and maybe went

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 back and referenced that I wasn't part of that project, but it's the presentation. But

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 there was this conversation of perception versus actuality. And the for those who don't

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 know about it, essentially the point was made that if you took a, you know, the entire circumference

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 dropped a point in the middle of Golden Triangle Mall and drew a circle all the way around

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 where all the parking on a typical, typical series of days based off sideline images were

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 at the mall, you took that same circle and you overlaid it over the square that the parking

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 is really much further away from the square that that you could use. But the perception

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 is I don't want I don't mind parking at Golden Triangle Mall. For those who still go to Golden

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 Triangle Mall, I don't mind parking here and walking to the store inside the mall. But

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 when it comes to me having to park down at that Bell to be able to have to walk over

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 to a restaurant that's on the square, that's atrocious, right? And even though that's the

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 exact same distance in a lot of instances, it was less. And so I just I just worry about

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 that perception versus actuality. And I get there's a demand for parking downtown. To

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 me, I feel like that we were maybe maybe putting I don't know, protection of appearance and

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 the fabric of the downtown area and how it looks. Second to we want to shove more cars

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 downtown like like, like, like Chair Rozelle said that, you know, we started putting up,

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 you know, parking garages left and right shirt, there's gonna be cars that will come up totally.

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 But do we have to do that? Do we have to compromise us to having, you know, five or six parking

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 garages all around the square? If we do keep building out and you know, the downtown keeps

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 expanding the way it has over the last, you know, 50 years and keeps growing outward and

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 outward. We have downtown businesses that are next to or behind parking garages. It

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 just gives me a lot of concern and hesitation. So yeah, Christopher, you know, and kind of

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 along the point of what Commissioner Smith was saying, you know, when we talk about where

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 we walk from our car to our destination, we're going to the mall, there is there is a slight

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 consideration of that one. And that's like, I can park on, you know, the side where like

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 the Macy's is or whatever, and then go over to, you know, Barnes and Noble. On that journey

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 though, you know, I am shaded and there's a you know, it's about 75 degrees inside,

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 which is an issue, you know, I think for a lot of people that are going to be, you know,

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 parking farther downtown and having to walk a farther distance, you know, if it's July,

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 you know, when it's 105 degrees outside. Are there any things that we can do though that,

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 you know, whether it's through the use of public art or, you know, some kind of or trees

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 or something like that, that would kind of mitigate heat, mitigate, you know, the discomfort

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 of that that we could, you know, that we could do. I know we can't enclose this. But, you

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 know, I think for a lot of people, it's simply the fact that, you know, hey, if I park, you

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 know, by the post office and I'm walking to LSA and it's 106 degrees outside, I'm going

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 to be sweating to my shirt by the time I get there. Are there things that we can look at

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 where we go? Is there a way to make this a more temperate, you know, walk that might

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 alleviate the need for having to jam more parking into a condensed area?

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 Commissioner Burnett, I think there's a lot we can do. Obviously, straight trees are the

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 quickest answer I can give you as far as providing that shade. You know, there are businesses

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 that can provide awnings or canopies that can provide that shade. But as far as the

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 public or the city, I think street trees would be the most quickest way to get that shade

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 and that comfort that you're talking about. And not only shade, but also lighting, right?

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00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,680
 So we're also talking about evening hours as well. So that's something that we're working

401
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,560
 on as part of improving the downtown's walkability.

402
00:40:52,560 --> 00:41:00,400
 Any other questions for Ron? Richard has a question for Ron.

403
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,880
 Not really a question, just a little bit more of a statement, I guess, sort of kind of where

404
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,720
 I think everybody's at. I think one thing it's important to note, now is the time to

405
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:15,960
 talk about it. You know, we're in the update of the comprehensive plan. We're going to

406
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:22,120
 have a special meeting specific for downtown. And I think that's the document where these

407
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:29,160
 policies are set. I think another component of that is, quite honestly, is how our roadway

408
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:35,720
 impact fee functions downtown. And asking those questions, should there be a roadway

409
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:44,040
 impact fee downtown? Or should it be more of a mobility fee that focuses more on transit

410
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:50,840
 bike, pedestrian environment, so that those funds, instead of paying to widen lanes, somewhere

411
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,640
 else in that zone, that those funds are used to enhance the overall mobility of the downtown

412
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,120
 in the square. So I think those are all the things that, you know, probably could be done,

413
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,560
 looked at. But I think a big component of that is making sure that, you know, within

414
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:14,600
 the next couple of months, that gets discussed as part of that comp plan update.

415
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,700
 Commissioner Pernetta.

416
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:20,440
 And kind of circling back to one of the first, you know, comments that Commissioner Anderson

417
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:29,360
 made about the atrocity and abomination that is back in parking. I know when this was done,

418
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,960
 there was this idea that back in was somehow safer, you know, for people who were eventually

419
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:40,960
 backing out. But I guess my question is, as someone who's had to do it, you see your parking

420
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,600
 space, you put on your signal, you have to stop, and the person behind you who's not

421
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,520
 used to maybe being in this doesn't know that you're going to be backing up and it creates

422
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:57,040
 an issue. Well, if we had front end parking, but it was also at an angle, you know, if

423
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,280
 I'm backing out at that point, I actually do have a better vantage point for what's

424
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,800
 behind me than I would if it was just, you know, kind of perpendicular, right? Do we

425
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:15,240
 have any data that shows that, you know, back in parking is safer than front end parking

426
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:19,800
 at an angle where we would still wind up having an option to be able to see behind us a little

427
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,680
 bit and traffic going along would see a car coming along and anticipate that that's going

428
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,400
 to be backing up into traffic rather than somebody suddenly stopping and then hitting

429
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,760
 reverse? Is there any kind of traffic study that kind of shows, or do we have anything

430
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:41,600
 since we've implemented this that shows that there is a reduction or real safety benefit

431
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,920
 to this? If I can answer that, Commissioner Pernan, when this was proposed for Hickory

432
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:53,080
 Street, there was a study presented to, I believe, it may have been to the Planning

433
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:59,320
 Zone Commission, as well as City Council, and to that specific question, you know, is

434
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,760
 this really safer? And so the engineers at the time, they present that study. I can certainly

435
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,760
 look that up and maybe if there's an updated version of that study, I can certainly make

436
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,960
 sure that that's passed along to the Planning Zone Commission.

437
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,600
 Thank you. Commissioner Anderson.

438
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:20,120
 Thanks, Chair. Hey, Ron, again, back to that back end parking. Along with Commissioner

439
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:25,360
 Pernetta, I mean, most of these vehicles now, most of the new cars have rear cameras. So

440
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,000
 when you're backing out, they're going to tell you if you have oncoming traffic coming.

441
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,160
 So that kind of, you know, throws that little safety issue out the window, I believe. But

442
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,320
 also my other question is, when was that study done? I mean, was that done before these cars

443
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,400
 had all the backup cameras? Was that done 10 years ago? If so, the study is probably

444
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,400
 outdated by now.

445
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:51,080
 Right. And all I can tell you is that yes, it was the study that was presented, obviously,

446
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:56,840
 studied back in parking prior to the Hickory Street reconstruction. So now with all the

447
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:02,520
 back end, you know, or backing cameras, whatever it may be, I don't know if that study has

448
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,000
 been updated. Certainly, it should be. And if there is one, again, I'll make sure to

449
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000
 pass that along to the Planning Zone Commission.

450
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,960
 Thank you, sir.

451
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,600
 Commissioner Ellis.

452
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,200
 Thank you, Chair. And Ron, thanks for this presentation. Yeah, I think you can hear all

453
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:26,000
 the frustration with the back end parking situation. I mean, our city feels that we

454
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,120
 all hear that on the regular. And that definitely needs to be revisited just to see, is that

455
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,880
 the best we can do for that area? And then the other thing I would like to be a huge

456
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:42,720
 proponent of as we continue to to increase parking or makes changes that we do is the

457
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:49,240
 whole public outreach and PSA and all of that and letting people know where they can park.

458
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:56,000
 I still think that that is not known well enough, especially with regard to like the

459
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,920
 city parking lots and whatnot. So I think we could definitely improve upon that and

460
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,880
 we should because I think perception is still not where we need it to be.

461
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,000
 Well, we'll make sure to work with economic development as well as the Downtown Main

462
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,140
 Street Association to increase that awareness.

463
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:17,140
 Commissioner Anderson.

464
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:22,040
 Sorry, I promise this is going to be my last point on this back end parking thing. But

465
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,560
 a lot of people get confused because on Hickory, it's back end parking. But then you go down

466
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,200
 industrial, it's pull in parking. And then you go up on the square, it's pull in parking.

467
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,200
 So I think it's just a money grab for some of the parking tickets things. That's what

468
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,040
 I hear. People's like, you know, they're just doing this because they can make money off

469
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:44,240
 of parking tickets on Hickory Street. But anyway, if it's going to be back in, let's do it consistently,

470
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:50,360
 which I don't want to be back in. I'd rather be forward parking. But anyway, it'd be much

471
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,600
 better just to have it all consistent.

472
00:46:52,600 --> 00:47:00,560
 No, I think I'll just echo what Richard said. I think if there is, you know, a want or whatever

473
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,840
 it may be to participate, those that are listening or in the planning, zoning commission as well.

474
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,960
 If you have an opportunity next week, Wednesday, we are having our second community workshop

475
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,480
 on the comprehensive plan update. And again, that would help, you know, in terms as far

476
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:22,080
 as setting goals. And it is a little broader, but we do have special topics. And one of

477
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:28,080
 them is the downtown. And we hope to have comments and ideas and suggestions as to how

478
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:34,440
 we can improve the downtown area. And it is one of those focus topics that we will have.

479
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,520
 I mean, it's not a voting issue or anything, but I wanted to at least let the record show

480
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,880
 that I'm for back in parking. I don't I don't hear the frustration. I just read an article

481
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:54,320
 right here. Vox.com says AAA actually recommends it and it prevents up to 300 people dying

482
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,520
 every year. So, I mean, I'm not undermining the other commissioners standpoints, but it

483
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,520
 does seem like a three year old study from Vox and AAA would say that it's significantly

484
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,440
 safer. Also, the United States Fire Protection Incorporated. I don't know what that company

485
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,360
 is. They also recommend back in parking. So there's a there seems like there is some evidence

486
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,320
 that it's safer. So, again, nothing's actually on this side. I just want the record to show

487
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:24,380
 that I'm not in agreement with commissioners that speak against it. So I afford it's worth

488
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:34,680
 any other items. Right, Mr. Cole. Yeah, I just want to pile on. I like back in parking

489
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:42,240
 half. I'm a downtown regular and half the cars are parked wrong anyway. I mean, they're

490
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:49,280
 pulling in straight. But outside of that, I want to, you know, just go on record said

491
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,280
 I'm against parking minimums because they're bad for all the stakeholders. They're bad

492
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,000
 for the small business owners. They're bad for the renters. They're bad for the developers.

493
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,080
 I mean, for everybody. And I can't tell you over the years how many businesses that people

494
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,520
 have, you know, all these business ideas that people couldn't bring forward because they

495
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:17,640
 were short a couple of parking spots. And so look at that economic activity you're losing.

496
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,960
 You know, heck, I can make two businesses I tried to start in my several years couldn't

497
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,480
 do it because of parking. So would you rather have the economic activity or a couple parking

498
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:34,120
 spots? I mean, strong towns has a really good case against parking minimums. I would strongly

499
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:43,840
 suggest you read their material on parking minimums. And that's all I have. Thank you.

500
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:55,320
 Anyone else want to pile on Iran? I'll just share one one item related to it. I don't

501
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,120
 know that anyone here is against eliminating parking, at least I'm planning eliminating

502
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:08,160
 some of the parking minimums. But in a past life working as a in a development role developed

503
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:14,720
 in a downtown two large condo buildings that didn't require parking. But we did put it

504
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:19,440
 in because we knew that our numbers were what we needed to do to sell those condos were

505
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,880
 1.2 spaces per unit. So for whatever it's worth, I think that everyone knows what they

506
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:31,720
 need. And I just think it's a policy item that needs to be discussed further. Great.

507
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:38,520
 It's good insight. All right. Ron, you are all good. Thank you for the presentation.

508
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:45,200
 All right. Thank you guys. Next is clarification on agenda items. Richard, apart from what's

509
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:52,760
 posted on the postponements, is there any changes to this agenda? No. Great. That brings

510
00:50:52,760 --> 00:51:01,820
 us to the minutes. Margie, I remembered them this evening with no text. Any updates or

511
00:51:01,820 --> 00:51:08,440
 comments on the minutes? Okay, great. That brings us to the consent agenda. We just have

512
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:15,840
 one item 3A. Anyone have questions on this, Mr. Cole?

513
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:26,480
 I have to sit out on this one, remember? Yes. Okay. Thanks for reminding me. Does anyone

514
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:33,680
 need Julie to bring up the presentation? Is there any questions on this one? Okay. Great.

515
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,600
 We'll just continue on then. That moves us to our individual consideration in the bulk

516
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:47,440
 of our agenda this evening. We'll start with 4A. Mark Laird is presenting 4A. Good evening.

517
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,920
 My name is Mark Laird. I'm a planner in the development services. For your review and

518
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:58,640
 consideration, I have for you the preliminary plat of SP1 phase two edition. This plat is

519
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:04,720
 located off Western Boulevard. It is north of Airport Road. Staff recommends to now of

520
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:11,880
 this project as the items outline and exhibit to. Please note that the applicant late yesterday

521
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:19,520
 evening made a request for a 30-day plat extension and staff endorses requests to allow the applicant

522
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,960
 to address those comments. I stand for any questions. The only question I have a clarification

523
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:32,560
 either by Richard or Mark is the 30-day extension the farthest we can go is June 9th is the

524
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:43,040
 next one puts us out. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay. Great. Thanks, Mark. Next

525
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:56,360
 item is item 4B, PP 21-0007 and this is Sean Jacobson's item. Good evening, Mr. Chair and

526
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:03,760
 members of the planning zone commission. Yes, this is PP 21-07. This is a preliminary plat

527
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:12,440
 of the vintage village edition. This is just off vintage Boulevard and they are staff is

528
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,400
 recommending denial of this request does not meet the established requirements as outlined

529
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:22,200
 in staff analysis. The applicant is requesting an extension to a date certain of June 9th,

530
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:31,320
 2021 and staff does not object to this request for an extension. Any questions for Sean?

531
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:41,720
 Okay, Sean, you're the next one 4C, FP 21-13. Sir, thank you, sir. Yes, this is a plat final

532
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:47,400
 plat of the Hilltop Road estates edition. This is in the extra territorial jurisdiction.

533
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:53,320
 Again, staff is recommending now this request as it does not meet the established requirements,

534
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:58,280
 but the applicant has requested an extension to June 9th and again, staff does not object

535
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:06,360
 to this extension. Great. Any questions for Sean on this item? Okay, Sean, I think you

536
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:16,280
 have the next one 4D, PP 21-5B. I do. And this is one that I sent you the updated plat

537
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:26,160
 today. This is a preliminary plat of the YOLO first edition. They have changed their plat

538
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,840
 somewhat from the last time this came in. They're currently not preliminary platting

539
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:37,360
 the third lot. They're instead preliminary platting the first two, the third lot required

540
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,920
 a base floor elevation to be established, which required a flood study, which is taking

541
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,160
 a little bit more time. And they are able to preliminary plat those front two because

542
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:51,040
 they'd previously conveyance plotted. And so they have now addressed all of the outstanding

543
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:56,440
 comments and staff is recommending approval of the request at this time because they've

544
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:04,600
 met all the requirements. Great. Any questions for Sean? Alright, thanks Sean for the presentations.

545
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:18,680
 This is 4E FP 21-10 and this is Julie Wyatt's item. Good evening. I'm Julie Wyatt. This

546
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:27,080
 is FP 21-10. It is Country Lakes subdivision and staff does recommend denial of the request

547
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,160
 as it fails to meet the established requirements. However, they have requested an extension

548
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,440
 to the June 9th planning and zoning commission meeting, and we have no objection to that

549
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:48,560
 request. Great. Any questions for Julie on this? Okay. Julie, you have the next item

550
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:59,840
 4F FP 21-12. Yes, sir. So I have good news on this one. So this was put on the agenda

551
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:06,320
 as a denial with that requested extension. However, in the interim period from when the

552
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,120
 agenda was posted and today they have made the one correction that we needed in the plat

553
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:21,240
 notes related to a labeling and then the corrections related to the HOA documents. So we can recommend

554
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:26,640
 approval as it meets the established requirements. Alright, great news. Any questions for Julie

555
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:37,640
 on this? All right. Seeing none, I'll move it to 4G PP 21-9 and this is Haley Zygurskis.

556
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:47,120
 Good evening. This is a single lot plat for a industrial use located on I-35 just north

557
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:51,720
 of Berthold Road where the new truck wash has been developed. At this time, staff is

558
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,720
 recommending denial for the reasons outlined in exhibit two. However, the applicant has

559
00:56:55,720 --> 00:57:00,280
 requested that extension to June 9th and staff has no objection to that. Happy to answer

560
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,800
 any questions. Great. Any questions for Haley? All right, Haley, I don't see any on this

561
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:13,200
 item. Let's go to your next one 4H FP 21-11. All right. This is the final plat for phase

562
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,840
 two of the Stark Farms Edition. If you're familiar with this, it's located on the north

563
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,120
 side of Long Road just west of Sherman Drive. At this time, again, staff is recommending

564
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:27,200
 denial of this plat that was outlined in exhibit two in your backup and the applicant has provided

565
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:32,240
 that request for the extension to the June 9th meeting, which staff has no opposition.

566
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:40,320
 I will answer any questions. Any questions for Haley on this item? All right. I did not

567
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,440
 see any. Thank you, Haley. That concludes our individual consideration items. Next is

568
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:53,760
 our public hearings. 5A is being postponed to June 9th. 5B is being postponed to June

569
00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:01,040
 9th. Richard is for clarification. No action needs to be taken on those items, correct?

570
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:10,040
 I'll confirm with Mack, but I think we may need to open those and take a vote to formally

571
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,400
 postpone those. And leave them open?

572
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,720
 Correct. Leave the public hearing open, yes.

573
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:25,480
 Okay. So both we need to open and carry forward with the motion. And citizens will have the

574
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:33,600
 opportunity to provide feedback at the June 9th as well. Since the, I guess the meeting

575
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,600
 stays open. Yes.

576
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:41,760
 Okay. Great. So that moves us to our last item for the work session, which is item 5C,

577
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,080
 1-1. And this is Julie Wyatt's item.

578
00:58:45,080 --> 00:59:11,320
 All right. Let me get this presentation brought up. Okay. So this is Z21-0001, commercial

579
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:21,720
 zoning. So the request before you is to, is a rezoning of 1.535 acres from public facilities

580
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:27,000
 to suburban corridor district. The current property owner acquired the property in December

581
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:35,440
 of last year from Denton ISD with the intent to develop commercial uses. With the adoption

582
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:41,920
 of the 2019 code and that implementation of properties that were owned by public entities,

583
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,240
 the zoning on those properties transitioned to public facilities district. And that's

584
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:51,960
 intended to provide for those public and community uses, things like fire station schools and

585
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:58,400
 civic buildings. So prior to development, the property owner must rezone the district

586
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:05,680
 not only to reflect that new ownership, but also to develop a site with a commercial use.

587
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,760
 So just to give you a little background of those, of that kind of zoning transition.

588
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,920
 So I've got the 2002 zoning map. The subject property had that NRMU-12 zoning. That was

589
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:25,320
 one of our commercial districts under that 2002 zoning code. That transitioned to PF.

590
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,640
 You can see that the subject site as well as the adjacent site, that's an elementary

591
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,800
 school owned by the Denton ISD, transitioned to that PF district with the implementation

592
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,320
 of the 2019 Denton Development Code. And then the proposed zoning would just return it back

593
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:49,600
 to more of a commercial use to reflect that new ownership. And that SC district is consistent

594
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:55,560
 with the surrounding zoning pattern. So the criteria for approval for rezoning cases is

595
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,600
 in sub-chapter two of the Denton Development Code. We have that general criteria for approval

596
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,480
 and then we have the specific criteria for approval. We won't go over all of them, but

597
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,920
 we will touch on the highlights for these. So the first thing we look at, the Denton

598
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:17,000
 Plan. This area has a future land use designation of commercial. That is intended for concentrations

599
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:23,640
 of commercial uses. And that can go from a regional scale all the way to a neighborhood

600
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 shopping center scale. SC is consistent with that future land use designation. It permits

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 a variety of commercial uses. And it's at a scale that's typically found on primary

602
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 arterial roadways. It was sort of created for these types of suburban corridors, those

603
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 auto-oriented corridors like we find on university. This is an infill area as well. So it is surrounded

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 by that existing development and it does have existing infrastructure. So it furthers that

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 goal to just to continue to develop and redevelop our existing commercial corridors. The next

606
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 criterion is it minimizes adverse impacts on surrounding property. As I mentioned, SC district

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 is consistent with that surrounding zoning and development pattern. We have a lot of

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 commercial uses surrounding the subject property, particularly on the north side of university

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 and then to the east of the site. Expansion of that SC, as you can see in this inset map,

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 is a logical extension of that existing zoning pattern. And it would facilitate commercial

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 uses along this corridor. Additionally, there's no direct vehicular connection to the neighborhood

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 to the south, so it would sort of push that vehicular traffic toward the university corridor.

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 And of course, any development of the site would have to conform to current regulations

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 and that includes things like minimum landscaping, site design, screening. Public facilities,

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 they did submit a TIA with this rezoning. It is under review. Now, I will caution you,

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 this is just kind of a straight rezoning and I know we've seen a lot of PDs come before

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 you and SUPs recently where a site plan gets tied to that zoning designation. This zoning,

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 if approved, wouldn't tie that site plan. It really is just would allow those uses that

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 are permitted in SC to develop in accordance with the Denton Development Code. So I have

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 a conceptual site plan shown here, but this wouldn't be tied to this zoning. So given

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 that caveat, our engineering department is reviewing that TIA. And so it wasn't just

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 reviewed with this specific district or this specific site. It was reviewed. This is the

623
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 subject property here and that would show those potential commercial uses. It also,

624
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 the TIA also included the adjacent property. So this property right here, it does already

625
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:07,800
 have that existing SC zoning and is currently under development with a retail use. So that

626
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:15,200
 TIA included all of these potential uses and they would generate about 3,100 trips per

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 day with 162 morning peak and then 171 evening peak. As a result of that study of the traffic,

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 there are some recommendations on that TIA. One, the entire retail center that is proposed

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 for this location would connect to this existing roadway. This is would connect to this existing

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 roadway and then connect onto this signalized intersection at university. Now this wouldn't

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,960
 go into that adjacent neighborhood. These are existing office and commercial uses. So

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 it really would continue on to that commercial corridor there. They are also proposing a

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 protected left turn here to make sure there's adequate storage for vehicles to turn left

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 into the site here. And then would also propose a deceleration lane for right turn movements

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 from university into the site. So those are those elements that the TIA is studying for

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 the future development of this site. Now 380 University is a TextDOT corridor. So any improvements

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 to that road and any driveway connections would have to go through the city review and

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 be approved by TextDOT. And there are public water and wastewater available to the site.

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 Public outreach was done. We did send out notification. We have not received any responses.

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 And based upon the criteria for approval and staff's analysis, we do recommend approval

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 of the request. I'll be happy to answer any questions. And I do believe the applicant

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 is calling in tonight. They don't have a presentation, but they'll be available to answer any questions

643
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 for you. Julie, thank you for the presentation. Any questions? All right. I don't see any.

644
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 With no questions, that concludes our work session meeting for this evening. We will

645
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:35,120
 reconvene here on Zoom in about 19 minutes at 630. Thank you. Good evening, ladies and

646
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 gentlemen, and welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday, May

647
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 19th, 2021. Seeing that we have a quorum, I will call the meeting to order at 631. First

648
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 item of business this evening is to provide a pledge of allegiance to the U.S. and Texas

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 flag. If other commissioners wish to join me, they can unmute their microphones. I pledge

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 allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it

651
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 stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Honor the

652
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:24,800
 Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, one and indivisible.

653
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 Next item of business is consideration for the minutes of May 5th, 2021. Commissioner

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 Ellis? I move approval. Commissioner Smith? Second. We have a first and a second for approval

655
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 of the minutes of May 5th. Any discussion? Seeing none, I call for a vote via roll call.

656
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:54,680
 Starting with Commissioner Cole? Aye. Commissioner Smith? Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner

657
01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:01,880
 Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Chair is also an aye. Motion carries 6-0.

658
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 Next item of business is our consent agenda. Commissioner Smith? Make a motion to approve.

659
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:16,640
 Great. We have a first. Commissioner Anderson? Second. We have a first and a second for approval

660
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:23,080
 of the consent agenda. Any discussion? Seeing none, I call for a vote via roll call. Commissioner

661
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:32,200
 Smith? Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye.

662
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:39,740
 Chair is also an aye. Commissioner Cole was recusing on this item. This item passes 5-0.

663
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 Next item of business is our items for individual consideration. Starting with 4A, PP 21-0008.

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01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:55,720
 I'll invite Mark Laird for presentation. Good evening. My name is Mark Laird. I'm a planner

665
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,680
 with the Development Service Department. For your review and consideration this evening,

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 I have for you the preliminary plat of SP-1 edition, phase two. This property is located

667
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 on the west line of Western Boulevard and is north of Airport Road. Staff recommends

668
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:16,880
 denial of this case as it does not meet the requirements established in the exhibit two

669
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 of staff analysis. However, the applicant has requested a 30-day plat extension to June

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01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:35,920
 9th. Staff does endorse this. I stand for any questions. Any questions for Mark? Okay.

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:43,160
 Open to a motion. Commissioner Ellis? I move approval of the applicant's request for an

672
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:51,600
 extension to a date certain of June 9th. Okay. Commissioner Smith? Second. We have a first

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,660
 and a second for an approval of the 30-day extension to a date certain of June 9th, 2021.

674
01:09:57,660 --> 01:10:03,200
 Any discussion? Just wanted to read into the record that for this item we had one person

675
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:08,840
 make a comment using our online form and they were against. This comment form was emailed

676
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:15,800
 to the commissioners and our city secretary to be recorded. Seeing no discussion, no other

677
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:22,840
 discussion, I will call for a vote via roll call. Starting with Commissioner Smith? Aye.

678
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:29,080
 Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner

679
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:40,200
 Cole? Aye. Chair is also an aye. Motion carries 6-0. Next item is item 4B, PP21-0007. I'll

680
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:46,000
 invite Sean Jacobson for presentation. Good evening, Chair and members of the Planning

681
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,240
 and Doting Commission. My name is Sean Jacobson, assistant planner. I'll be presenting PP21-007.

682
01:10:51,240 --> 01:11:01,680
 This is a preliminary plat located off Vintage Boulevard and Fort Worth Drive. Staff is recommending

683
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,200
 denial of this request as it does not meet the established requirements. However, the

684
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:11,520
 applicant has requested an extension to a date certain of June 9th, 2021 and staff does

685
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:17,000
 not object to this request. With that, I will stand for any questions. Great. Any questions

686
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:24,760
 for Sean? Seeing none, we can make a motion. Commissioner Smith? Make a motion to approve

687
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:31,640
 the extension to date certain of June 9th. Commissioner Pernetta? Second. We have a first

688
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,760
 and a second for an approval of the 30-day extension to a date certain of June 9th, 2021.

689
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 Any discussion? Seeing none, I'll call for a vote via roll call. Starting with Commissioner

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:49,680
 Smith? Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye.

691
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:55,800
 Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair is also an aye. Motion carries 6-0. Next item is also Sean

692
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:09,340
 Jacobson's. It's item 4C FP21-0013. All right. Good evening and I'll make sure I'm sharing

693
01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:17,200
 my screen here. This is a preliminary plat for -- I'm sorry, make sure I've got the right

694
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:25,280
 one here. This is a final plat for the Hilltop Road Estates Edition. This is just off Hilltop

695
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,600
 Road. Staff is recommending denial of this request as it does not meet the established

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01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,440
 requirements as outlined in staff analysis in Exhibit 2. The applicant has requested

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01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:41,080
 an extension to a date certain of June 9th, 2021. Staff does not object to this request.

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01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:46,520
 With that, I will stand for any questions. Great. Thank you. Any questions for Sean?

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:54,400
 All right. Seeing none, Commissioner Anderson? Motion to approve to date certain of June

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01:12:54,400 --> 01:13:01,240
 9th. Great. Commissioner Cole? Second. We have a first and a second for an approval

701
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:08,680
 of the 30-day extension to the date certain of June 9th, 2021. Any discussion? All right.

702
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,880
 Seeing none, I'll take a vote via roll call. Commissioner Smith? Aye. Commissioner Ellis?

703
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:21,480
 Aye. Commissioner Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair

704
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:29,160
 is also an aye. Motion carries 6-0. The next item is item 4D PP21-0005B and this is also

705
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:36,200
 Sean Jacobson's item. Excellent. Thank you. And once again, Sean Jacobson, I'm here to

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:46,960
 present the plat of PP21-0005B, the YOLO first edition. Because the applicant was able to

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01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:56,880
 address outstanding concerns today, we are now able to recommend approval of this request

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01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:02,340
 as it meets the established requirements. With that, I'll stand for any questions. Great.

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01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:09,720
 Any questions? Okay. I don't see any. Is there a motion? Commissioner Smith? Make a motion

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,920
 to approve. Great. Commissioner Ellis? I do. And just for clarification, the motion on

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01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:22,640
 the table is to approve the item as recommended. Great. Great. Any discussion? Seeing none,

712
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,720
 I call for a vote via roll call. Commissioner Smith? Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner

713
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:35,040
 Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair is also an aye.

714
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:43,600
 Motion carries 6-0. The next item is item 4E FP21-0010 and I'll invite Julie Wyatt for

715
01:14:43,600 --> 01:15:07,400
 the presentation. Let me pull up that presentation. Okay. Sorry for the delay. I'm Julie Wyatt,

716
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:16,720
 Senior Planner with the City of Denton and this is FP21-0010 and it is for a residential

717
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,880
 development within the Country Lake subdivision. Staff recommends denials. It doesn't meet

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01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:26,360
 the established requirements. However, they have requested an extension and staff has

719
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:33,120
 no opposition to that request. Great. Thank you. Any questions for Julie? I don't see

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01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,960
 any, Julie. Thank you. Commissioner Smith? Make a motion to approve the extension to

721
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:43,440
 date certain of June 9th. Great. We have a first. Commissioner Pernetta? I second. We

722
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:52,200
 have a first and a second for the 30-day extension to a date certain of June 9th, 2021. Any discussion?

723
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,600
 Seeing none, I call for a vote via roll call starting with Commissioner Smith. Aye. Commissioner

724
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:04,680
 Ellis? Aye. Commissioner Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair

725
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:14,520
 is also an aye. Motion carries 6-0. The next item of business is item 4F FP21-0012. This

726
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:22,280
 is also Julie Wyatt's item. This has a slight change from the agenda that was posted. This

727
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:30,240
 is FP21-0012. It was originally posted as a denial as it had a correction that needed

728
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:35,760
 to be made in the general notes as well as some items or an item related to the HOA documents.

729
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,760
 They have made those corrections and so staff recommends approval as it meets the established

730
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 requirements. Great. Any questions for Julie? I don't see any. Thank you, Julie, for the

731
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:57,760
 discussion. Commissioner Anderson? I'm sorry. Commissioner Smith? Make a motion to approve.

732
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:06,880
 Great. Commissioner Cole? Second. Great. We have a first and a second for approval. Any

733
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,040
 discussion? Seeing none, I call for a vote via roll call. Commissioner Smith? Aye. Commissioner

734
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:19,840
 Ellis? Aye. Commissioner Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair

735
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:30,080
 is also an aye. Motion carries 6-0. The next item of business is item 4G PP21-0009. I'll

736
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:42,200
 invite Haley Zegerski for presentation. Let me get to the right plat here. This is PP21-0009.

737
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 This is a preliminary plat for a single industrial development, single lot industrial development

738
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:54,280
 located north of Barthold Road on the west side of I-35. At this time, staff is recommending

739
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,440
 denial of the plat as it does not meet the established requirements. However, the applicant

740
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:02,360
 has requested an extension to the June 9th meeting, and staff has no opposition to this

741
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:11,320
 request. Great. Thanks, Haley. Any questions for Haley? All right. Seeing none, Commissioner

742
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:18,360
 Pernetta? Motion to postpone to the June 9th. Okay. We have a first for denial with a postponement.

743
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:24,400
 Commissioner Anderson? Second. Okay. We have a first and a second for a 30-day extension

744
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:31,360
 granting the extension to a date certain of June 9th, 2021. Any discussion on this item?

745
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,800
 Okay. Before we vote, I just want to say for this item, we had one person make a comment

746
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:41,400
 using our online form. That individual was against the item, and this comment form was

747
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:47,360
 emailed to all the commissioners and our city secretary to be recorded. With that, we'll

748
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:53,360
 go to a vote via roll call starting with Commissioner Smith. Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner

749
01:18:53,360 --> 01:19:00,120
 Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair is also an aye.

750
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:08,720
 Motion carries 6-0. Next item for business is item 4H, FP 21-0011. This is also Haley's

751
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:20,800
 item. Good evening again. This is item FP 21-11. This is a final plat for phase two

752
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:25,080
 of the Stark Farms Edition located on the north side of Long Road on the north side

753
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:30,760
 of town north of Loop 288. At this time, staff is recommending denial of the request as it

754
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,780
 does not meet the established requirements. Again, the applicant has requested that extension

755
01:19:34,780 --> 01:19:42,440
 to the June 9th meeting and staff has no opposition to that request. Stop sharing. Thanks, Haley.

756
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:49,920
 Any questions for Haley? Okay. Commissioner Anderson? Make an approval to postpone to

757
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:58,760
 date starting on June 9th. Make a motion for the extension. Yes. We have a first for a

758
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:04,400
 30-day extension. Commissioner Smith? Second. We have a first and a second for a 30-day

759
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:10,960
 extension to a date certain of June 9th, 2021. Any discussion on this item? Seeing none, I'll

760
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:17,600
 call for a vote via roll call. Commissioner Smith? Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner

761
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:24,300
 Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair is also an aye.

762
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:32,000
 Motion carries 6-0. Next item on our agenda for business is item 5A. This is the start

763
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 of our public hearings. Item 5A is PD 20-0009. The staff is requesting a postponement to

764
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,880
 a date certain of June 9th, so I'm going to open the public hearing and ask for a motion

765
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:53,520
 to carry this meeting forth to a date certain of June 9th. Commissioner Smith? Make a motion

766
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:59,080
 to postpone a date certain of June 9th. We have a first for the postponement. And Commissioner

767
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:05,080
 Ellis? Second. We have a first and a second to postpone this to a date of June 9th. Any

768
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:09,840
 discussion on that vote? Okay. Prior to taking the vote, I just wanted to say that for this

769
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,000
 item we had one person make a comment using our online form. They were in support of the

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01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,560
 item. This comment form was emailed to the commissioners and our city secretary to be

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01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,840
 recorded. And just for a note for the public, this item is being carried forward to June

772
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,720
 9th, pending the approval of this vote, in which you would have, anyone would have the

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01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:36,520
 opportunity to speak on the item again or for the first time on June 9th. With that,

774
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,160
 we have the motion on the table, with no discussion. We'll go to Commissioner Smith to kick off

775
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:48,400
 the voting. Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner Anderson? Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye.

776
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:56,240
 Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair is also an aye. The motion to postpone carries 6-0. Similar

777
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:03,040
 with item 5B, PD 21-0001. I'm going to open the public hearing and ask for a motion to

778
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:08,320
 carry this forth to a date certain of June 9th. Commissioner Smith? Make a motion to

779
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:15,520
 postpone to date certain of June 9th. Commissioner Ellis? Second. We have a first and a second

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01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:20,960
 to postpone this. Any discussion? Seeing none, I'm just going to go ahead and read for the

781
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,120
 record that we had two individuals make comments using our online form. Both of those individuals

782
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,160
 were against the item. Both comments were emailed to all the commissioners and to the

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01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:35,240
 committee secretary to be recorded. And again, anyone wishing to make a statement again or

784
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:40,240
 for the first time, we'll be able to do so at the June 9th meeting, provided this motion

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01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:47,480
 carries. With that, Commissioner Smith? Aye. Commissioner Ellis? Aye. Commissioner Anderson?

786
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:53,400
 Aye. Commissioner Pernetta? Aye. Commissioner Cole? Aye. Chair is also an aye. This motion

787
01:22:53,400 --> 01:23:00,880
 carries. It will be brought back on June 9th. The next item for public hearing is item 5C,

788
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:09,800
 Z 21-0001, known by Julie Wyatt for presentation and open the public hearing. Good evening.

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01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:19,820
 Let me share that presentation. All right. Julie Wyatt, senior planner with the City

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01:23:19,820 --> 01:23:27,240
 of Denton and I'm presenting Z 21-0001, commercial zoning. The request before you is a rezoning

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01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:34,160
 of 1.535 acres from public facilities district to suburban corridor district. The current

792
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:39,360
 property owner acquired it in December of last year from Denton ISD with the intent

793
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:47,040
 to develop it with commercial, with a commercial use. In 2019, we adopted a new Denton development

794
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:51,960
 code. And within that code, we had a new zoning district called public facilities. And that

795
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:56,920
 was intended for properties that are owned by public entities. And it was to provide

796
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 for those community uses, fire stations, schools, libraries, and civic buildings. Because this

797
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:09,120
 property was owned by Denton ISD, it did transition to that public facilities zoning district

798
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:17,800
 in 2019. Prior to development of the site, the applicant does have to rezone it for,

799
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:24,120
 to a district that permits commercial uses and also reflects that current ownership.

800
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:28,520
 So this just helps show kind of what, what that transition of zoning looked like. So

801
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:34,840
 I have the 2002 zoning map. The subject site had a zoning designation of NRMU 12. That

802
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:41,040
 was one of our mixed use commercial districts within the city. With the adoption of the

803
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:46,680
 2019 code, because that property was owned by Denton ISD, it transitioned to that blue

804
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:54,560
 public facilities zoning designation. And then they're proposing to rezone the property

805
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,760
 to reflect that new ownership. And that is that SC. And that really is just, it's, that

806
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:04,560
 SC is consistent with the surrounding zoning pattern and really is that logical extension

807
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:10,600
 of the existing zoning. The criteria for approval for all zoning cases is in sub chapter two,

808
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:16,000
 we have the general criteria as well as the specific to the two zoning cases. We'll touch

809
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:21,920
 on these as we talk through the project. So first Denton plan 2030. The site has a future

810
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:29,280
 land use designation of commercial, and that's consistent along that university, that highway

811
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:36,220
 380 corridor. That's intended for concentrations of commercial uses. And that can vary in scale

812
01:25:36,220 --> 01:25:42,920
 from regional community and neighborhood shopping centers. SC is consistent with this future

813
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:48,800
 land use designation. It is one of our commercial zoning districts. And it really does, is appropriate

814
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:55,240
 for these commercial corridors, those auto oriented corridors where you have a concentration

815
01:25:55,240 --> 01:26:01,080
 of commercial uses. And this is also an infill area there. It is served by existing water

816
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:06,940
 and sewer as well as a university, which is a six lane divided road. And so it does further

817
01:26:06,940 --> 01:26:16,320
 that goal to, to encourage that compact development pattern. We also look at impacts in the surrounding

818
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:21,840
 property. As I said, SC is consistent, not only with that surrounding zoning pattern,

819
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 but also the existing development. You can see those, those uses along, along university

820
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:37,560
 are commercial uses. We have office commercial restaurant type uses and, and redevelopment

821
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:45,240
 of this site would be consistent with that, with that current use pattern. It would also

822
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:51,720
 facilitate just that expansion of this commercial center. I would do want to note that there

823
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:57,200
 is no vehicular, direct vehicular connection to the neighborhoods, to the South. And any

824
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:02,200
 development would require conformance with those site design standards in the, in the

825
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:07,600
 2019 Denton Development Code. That includes things like minimum landscaping, screening

826
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:14,360
 at the right of way, and just those site design standards. There are public facilities available

827
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:20,240
 to serve the property. As part of this request and the development of the, of the subject

828
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:26,160
 site and the adjacent site, the applicant has submitted a traffic impact analysis that

829
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:32,820
 is under review. I just want to talk a little bit about that and, and but I do want to provide

830
01:27:32,820 --> 01:27:39,560
 a word of caution. Although there is a site plan shown on this slide, this is just a straight

831
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:46,000
 zoning case to a base zoning district. So that site plan wouldn't be tied to this development

832
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:52,440
 of this site and, and there could be modifications. So I do want to make that comment. So the,

833
01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:58,240
 the subject property as well as development of the adjacent property here would generate

834
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:04,120
 about 3,100 vehicle trips per day. The, the adjacent property is under development with

835
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:10,720
 a retail use at right now. And they have looked at the traffic patterns in this area to see

836
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:16,500
 how those impacts of the traffic patterns and what would need to be accomplished in

837
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:21,320
 order to accommodate that. So as part of the development of not only the subject property,

838
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:26,760
 but that adjacent property, there will be a connection to this existing right of way,

839
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:32,400
 which ties into Fulton Street, which has a signalized intersection at university. This

840
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:37,160
 one just point out that the uses adjacent to this right of way are commercial uses.

841
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:42,520
 So this wouldn't be cutting through a neighborhood street. It really is a commercial corridor.

842
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:49,200
 There also would be improvements along university, including adequate storage for left-hand turns

843
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:55,320
 and in a deceleration lane for right-hand turns. Now a university is a text out road.

844
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:00,320
 So we'll have to go through all text out reviews and approvals. And there is public water and

845
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:06,040
 wastewater available to the site. Notification was sent out for the request. We have not

846
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:13,000
 received any responses either in opposition or in favor. And staff recommends approval

847
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:19,080
 of the request as it complies with the criteria in the DENT development code and is appropriate

848
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:26,120
 in this location. And I will be happy to answer any questions. Oh, I did want to mention the

849
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:32,640
 applicant does not have a presentation, but he is on the call for any questions.

850
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:39,040
 Thanks, Julie. Looks like we have a couple of hands raised. We'll start with Mr. Pernetta.

851
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:45,520
 So there's going to be a connection along the back of it, right, going to Fulton. You

852
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,600
 mentioned that there generate, what, about 3,100 trips. And I imagine those are mostly

853
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:55,880
 going up university, which already has that traffic. Where it looks like it's connecting

854
01:29:55,880 --> 01:30:02,560
 to Fulton is right above Denton High, where there's a lot of kids walking and things like

855
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:10,960
 that. Do we know what the potential, you know, trips that we're introducing into that and,

856
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:16,920
 you know, is there any concern about basically, we also have Newton razor that kind of wraps,

857
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:21,120
 you know, kids wrap around under that when they're walking. Was that a consideration

858
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:29,560
 in terms of, you know, that connecting spot? Our engineering group did not raise any concerns

859
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:37,480
 regarding conflicts with those students that are at that current Denton High location.

860
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:53,000
 Any other questions? Commissioner Ellis. Yep. Thank you, Chair. Okay. So on that note, I

861
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:59,320
 mean, Denton High is relocating, correct? Correct. Yeah. So that could improve that.

862
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:04,080
 But my question is, with concern with the same cut through, I know we've sent out the

863
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,600
 notifications to property owners. I guess my concern is the current businesses that

864
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:16,280
 are there that end at Westway. Have they been notified that that will be a cut through and

865
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:23,880
 traffic patterns will be changing there? They have been notified regarding the zoning change,

866
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:28,640
 but they have not, there hasn't been any public outreach in terms of tying into that existing

867
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:35,320
 right of way. It seems to me that, I guess, as they were reviewing the TIA and traffic

868
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:43,080
 patterns and whatnot, that some kind of outreach with regard to that is important. It may impact

869
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:47,000
 their businesses as well. I think we have to keep in the consideration, though you say

870
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:52,280
 right, they are adjacent to where the new cut through is going to be, is not a residential

871
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:59,160
 neighborhood. But the other side of Westway, on the other side of Fulton, I mean, is residential.

872
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:04,560
 So as a city, we certainly need to take that into consideration, exactly what are we flowing

873
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:19,200
 through this new cut through. Julie, when they do the TIA studies, what

874
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,880
 is peak times? I believe peak times are between five and

875
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:31,500
 six in the evening and I don't know about the morning peak. I'm pulling up the TIA right

876
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:38,640
 now to see if I can find quickly the trip distribution as well as those peak times.

877
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:57,640
 So let me see if I can find that and I'll let you know.

878
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:22,640
 Let's see. I'm going to try to find that. I'm going to try to find that. I'm going to

879
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:49,480
 try to find that. I'm not seeing where they have listed what

880
01:33:49,480 --> 01:34:13,280
 is considered that a.m. peak time. Yeah, Richard.

881
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:21,320
 Typically, for a.m. peak, the look at a six a.m. to nine a.m. interval and then for p.m.

882
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:32,040
 peak, it's typically four to seven p.m. OK. That's all I needed. Julie, I don't know

883
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:39,080
 if you're still looking up something for Margie or not. OK. Any other questions, Christopher?

884
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:56,040
 Sure. Julie, under suburban corridor, how tall are you able to go? Pull that up. The

885
01:34:56,040 --> 01:35:07,240
 maximum building height in suburban corridor is fifty five feet. Thank you. Any other questions

886
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:15,760
 for staff or the applicant is available. There's any questions out there? OK, there's no one

887
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:23,520
 on the phone calling in. So at this time, I'm going to close the public hearing and

888
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:37,400
 I can certainly entertain a motion. Commissioner Smith, make a motion to approve is recommended

889
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:42,000
 the first for approval. Commissioner Anderson, I second. We got a first and a second. Any

890
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:49,760
 discussion? All right. Seeing none, I call for a vote. Be a roll call. Commissioner Smith.

891
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:57,800
 Aye. Commissioner Ellis. Aye. Commissioner Anderson. Aye. Commissioner Cole. Aye. Commissioner

892
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:07,240
 Pernetta. Aye. Chair is also an aye. Motion carries six zero. Congratulations. That concludes

893
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:13,920
 our working agenda for this evening and takes us to the plan and zoning matrix. As always,

894
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:22,440
 I will turn this over to Richard and then to the dais for any other discussion. Thank

895
01:36:22,440 --> 01:36:30,760
 you, Chair. Nothing really to add to the you know, as far as updates to the matrix. The

896
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:39,880
 City Council did consider PNZ's motion regarding the small area plan yesterday. Ron presented

897
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:44,440
 that at the work session. And so there was support to move forward with the small area

898
01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:50,720
 plan for that area. And so that'll be something that staff will get underway here. We'll be

899
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:57,360
 reaching out to the property owners. So in the very near future, that will be that will

900
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:08,800
 be started. And lastly, while I haven't shared this overall with everyone, if you did see

901
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:16,960
 the Friday report, I did tender my letter of resignation. And so my last day with the

902
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:28,120
 city will be June 4. And so there was an opportunity that presented itself in Denver, Colorado.

903
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:33,680
 It's always been a kind of a dream of mine to work there. We own some property now not

904
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:43,920
 too far away. And it was just something that I couldn't pass up. So really hard sometimes

905
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:50,680
 to talk about it. It was not an easy decision. But not sure that that opportunity would come

906
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:57,400
 around again. So just wanted to share that. Congrats, Richard. Thank you. Congratulations,

907
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:04,640
 Richard. Sorry to lose you. Yes, we will miss you. Thank you for all you have done. Absolutely.

908
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:09,680
 And before I forget, one of the things that we wanted Scott and I try to work on is succession

909
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:17,440
 planning. And so after my departure, Haley will be serving the role of interim planning

910
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:24,440
 director. And so I think she's more than capable and will be able to handle it. So I think

911
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:33,720
 that continuity will be there. And I have full faith as does Scott and Sarah. So Haley

912
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:42,680
 will be in the seat at the next meeting. Awesome. Well, Richard, that's terrible news. We hate

913
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:51,000
 to see you go. I can say for me personally, I don't know if I have served as chair without

914
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:59,240
 you on my right-hand side. And so I appreciate you making me look good every meeting. I wouldn't

915
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:06,080
 have come across as confident as I might sometimes without knowing that I got you behind me to

916
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:10,840
 answer questions and guide me and make sure I don't do anything illegal and all those

917
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:18,080
 things. So sincerest thank you for serving the city as well as you have. But personally,

918
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:22,480
 just for helping me out being the chair of this commission, you will be missed and best

919
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:28,440
 luck to you up in Denver for sure. Luckily we got some great people behind you with Haley.

920
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:34,720
 And so hopefully the city, at least this commission will miss a beat under Haley's tutelage. So

921
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:42,240
 congrats. You will be missed for sure. Any items that we want to throw onto Haley's plate

922
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:50,800
 this evening? All right. Richard, you leave and Haley doesn't get anything on the matrix.

923
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:57,240
 So I don't know what that says. But with that, seeing there's no other item, I will close

924
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:05,600
 out this P&Z meeting at 7.05. Thank you, everyone. Thanks.