WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.040 Okay, we're going to call the meeting to order. We've already had the attendance called. 00:00:08.040 --> 00:00:13.720 We have a quorum of four. We also have the flag, the Pledge of Allegiance 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:18.040 and the Texas flag. So we're on to item number two to consider 00:00:18.040 --> 00:00:27.440 approval of the May 6, 2021 meeting minutes. Do I have anybody who make a motion to approve 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:31.400 those meetings minutes as stated? Move to approve those meeting minutes. 00:00:31.400 --> 00:00:34.560 And who was that that stated that? Mike? Mike Swigert. 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:40.800 Do I have a second? I second it, Ms. Tori Mitchell. 00:00:40.800 --> 00:00:49.200 Tori make it noted that we have passed the meeting minutes as stated for May 6, 2021. 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:53.920 Do you need a vote? Oh, that might help too. 00:00:53.920 --> 00:01:02.320 All those approved say aye. Aye, all those opposed say nay. 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:06.600 Let us show that it passed. Thank you very much, David. 00:01:06.600 --> 00:01:14.120 I knew we had you here for a good reason. That's about the only one. 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:23.760 Item number B, which is item number HBS 21-012 to receive a report to hold a discussion and 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:30.080 to give staff direction related to the processes and updates of the current code and the update 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:35.440 of the international code, mechanical code, plumbing, fuel, gas code, building code, power 00:01:35.440 --> 00:01:41.040 code, potential swimming pool, spa, energy code, national electric code. 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:46.600 Primary focus will be to on the national electric code and the international mechanical and 00:01:46.600 --> 00:01:54.120 plumbing, fuel, gas codes in this reference of the codes applicable. 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:59.120 Okay. Who's doing this? Scott? 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:04.960 This is going to be Emily. We're going to let Emily provide you with an example of how 00:02:04.960 --> 00:02:10.440 it is that you log on just for clarity. You should have all received a document. 00:02:10.440 --> 00:02:16.680 She's going to kind of have not, so she's going to walk you through the process and 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:22.960 how to do this and then she'll segue into walking through documents that will be forwarded 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:26.480 to you after the meeting, which is really just giving you an understanding of how we're 00:02:26.480 --> 00:02:30.760 going through the codes. So with that, I'll introduce Emily Lewis-Ellen, 00:02:30.760 --> 00:02:35.920 our deputy building official. Hello. So I do have that document available. 00:02:35.920 --> 00:02:41.320 I just wanted Scott's eyes on it first before I sent it out. So as we go through this, it'll 00:02:41.320 --> 00:02:47.240 definitely either confirm that the instructions are correct or they aren't. 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:51.160 I am going to share my screen. What we're going to do is we're going to 00:02:51.160 --> 00:02:58.520 go to the ICC website and we are going to kind of look at codes and see where you can 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:06.000 find them. Can everybody see this? 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.720 It says now available membership digital badges, et cetera. 00:03:10.720 --> 00:03:18.760 So Emily, if I might just for those that are on the call and those that may be viewing, 00:03:18.760 --> 00:03:23.640 these instructions are for the commission members. This is going to give them their 00:03:23.640 --> 00:03:30.840 specific access into the system. On our website, we will have the instructions 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:35.000 for the public. And it's a very simple process. 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:39.200 Anyone that would like to go to the codes, they can do one of two things. 00:03:39.200 --> 00:03:49.240 They can go to ICC safe.org or they can simply go into a Google search bar and search international. 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:57.320 I'll just use international building code 2021 online access and you can go in and get access 00:03:57.320 --> 00:04:02.880 to the building code. And that has all of the 2021 codes available 00:04:02.880 --> 00:04:09.880 for anybody that would like to review those codes. The access that the commission members 00:04:09.880 --> 00:04:20.200 have is a paid access which just has a little bit more ease and use. 00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:24.600 So that won't be made available to the public as a whole. 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:33.100 But the codes are available to the public. So we won't be sharing the password information 00:04:33.100 --> 00:04:40.160 at this point in time. >> Yeah, this one goes into a little bit more. 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.800 It just has a little bit more to it. >> Yeah, you have the passwords, isn't it? 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:49.720 >> Yes, Tori? >> Yes, I was getting ready to ask. 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.920 I got my account pulled up and it says the dashboard's credentials training membership. 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.240 Is that what you need me to be or I need to have something else in front of me? 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:03.560 >> I was going to walk everybody through that. We haven't gotten to the dashboard yet. 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:09.800 >> Tori, can you see the screen? >> No, I don't have access, but if you -- I'm 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:15.280 elementary, so if you just tell me what I need to do, I can follow instructions. 00:05:15.280 --> 00:05:19.000 >> You're in the right place. >> So, Scott, can you see my screen? 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:27.120 >> Yes, you're good. >> Okay. So what I did is I just put ICCsafe.org. 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:34.760 This is their main page. It will have a My ICC at the top, and hopefully 00:05:34.760 --> 00:05:42.000 everybody's signed up for My ICC with an account. I think it's a free account. 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:47.720 Anyone can sign up for. Does that sound correct, Scott? 00:05:47.720 --> 00:06:12.280 You're on mute. That's fine. So when you click onto My ICC, it will have your login here. 00:06:12.280 --> 00:06:18.000 And once you've signed in, there's going to be the dashboard. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:22.760 So I think that's where Tori's at. I think she's at the dashboard right now. 00:06:22.760 --> 00:06:28.600 And you'll see on this left side of the dashboard, it's green. 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:34.680 It's got a digital codes library. And we're going to click on that digital codes 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.960 library. And again, for everybody that's not able to 00:06:38.960 --> 00:06:47.920 get on and interactive with me, I am going to send out a very detailed page-by-page sheet 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:57.840 and with instructions. After that, you'll see this thing -- let's 00:06:57.840 --> 00:07:03.560 see. This up here, it'll have like a little icon. 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:08.720 It's green with a couple of people in it right next to your name at the very top right. 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:16.320 Tori, do you see where that is? And if you hover over it, it says concurrent 00:07:16.320 --> 00:07:21.000 access. So what will happen for those that are watching 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:28.000 is they may have to move your bar with the faces over to the other side of the screen 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:35.880 or minimize and hide the thumbnail video so you can see the entirety of Emily's screen. 00:07:35.880 --> 00:07:42.080 Yeah, you're probably right. And then you'll see her cursor in the upper 00:07:42.080 --> 00:07:50.120 right-hand corner next to the Emily with the small little icon with multiple -- it's really 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.680 -- instead of being one person, it's multiple. Right. 00:07:53.680 --> 00:08:01.240 Tori, do you see that at the top right? It's a green circle with two little people 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.120 in it. Emily, what is our password that we're supposed 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:10.520 to be using? You're not clear yet. 00:08:10.520 --> 00:08:15.240 You're still sending that. Well, I think I sent it last time. 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:20.080 You did. Yeah, so it's in there, but we just haven't 00:08:20.080 --> 00:08:26.200 gotten to that here. Yeah, and we can't put that out publicly 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:33.360 because it's a reserved number of copies. I only handed it out to 20 people. 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:40.680 Yeah, it's only $1,000 a person, Greg. We'll send you a bill. 00:08:40.680 --> 00:08:47.600 Citi's got plenty of money. Does everybody see kind of where we're at 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:52.160 so I can move to the next screen? I do. 00:08:52.160 --> 00:08:59.600 Okay, so once you click that, it'll pull up an access code here, and I'm going to just 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:04.360 move this -- I don't know. Maybe I can move this over and put that access 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.760 code in. Can you still see what I'm doing? 00:09:07.760 --> 00:09:12.760 Scott, did I move off the screen? No, you're there. 00:09:12.760 --> 00:09:18.160 You're on concurrent access. You got to click the submit button. 00:09:18.160 --> 00:09:27.240 Right. I was going to try and not do that. 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:31.800 So put the access code in right there. Can you still see? 00:09:31.800 --> 00:09:36.600 Yeah, you can see. Can you give it again? 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:44.160 My Internet went out, but it's back on. Can I e-mail that? 00:09:44.160 --> 00:09:49.240 I think Scott's wanting to keep it. Yeah, e-mail it out. 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:52.080 Isn't this what you e-mailed to us a couple weeks ago? 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:57.440 Yes. Okay. I'll just put it in the subject line. 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.040 Will that work, Tori? Yeah, that'll be fine. 00:10:02.040 --> 00:10:05.080 Okay. I'm sorry. 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.120 Oh, you're fine. Fine. 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:24.560 We're all in the same place, Tori. I assure you. 00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:48.680 When we get into these, we'll be able to click on each of these code books and enter into 00:10:48.680 --> 00:10:50.960 them. Is that how it's probably going to work? 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:56.600 Yes. You'll be able to get in. You'll be able to make notes. You'll be able to e-mail from 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:03.240 the sections to people. I mean, there's so many different things you can do. It's a little 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:08.960 bit overwhelming at first, but you get in there a couple of times and you're like, "Okay, 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:15.040 that's how I can do that. That's how I can do that." And it becomes a little bit easier 00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:22.520 to manage. Just for the commission members, we're happy 00:11:22.520 --> 00:11:30.680 to meet any one of you or any three of you at one time and walk you through this so we 00:11:30.680 --> 00:11:36.640 can do it live if there's a preference to do that. So no problem at all. This is probably 00:11:36.640 --> 00:11:43.720 the most challenging part of what we have to do is to try to do this virtually. But 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:52.480 once you have this tool available to you, it'll make life much simpler. It's a lot better 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:59.080 than carrying 10 books around, which the 10 books are probably close to about 36 inches 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:14.280 tall, certainly 30 inches tall. Yeah, it's quite a fun process. 00:12:14.280 --> 00:12:22.840 Well, and again, I can't emphasize enough is really that the commissioners have done 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:28.440 a lot of the hard work already. So this will be a much simpler... It's really an update 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:33.480 to the update to the update. So it should be fairly straightforward. 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:41.800 God, as I recall, it used to give you what the code is and what the code is being modified 00:12:41.800 --> 00:12:49.240 to if there's any changes. It's probably what you guys are doing as far as a change. But 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:55.620 if the code has changed, let's just say it, you now have to put it six foot deep. Those 00:12:55.620 --> 00:12:59.120 kind of modifications are already noted in the revised... 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:07.360 And we can definitely show you what that looks like. There's a lot of different colored writing 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:13.520 in these premium codes that actually should... It's actually on the sentences or the group 00:13:13.520 --> 00:13:17.720 of words that it has changed from the previous code cycles. 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:21.400 Do you understand that, David? They'll have colors. 00:13:21.400 --> 00:13:26.160 Yes, I was hoping that it was like last time with the red and the black and the underline. 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:33.120 I'm gonna get that. It'll be different colors for this, and then I'll have the red colors 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.920 for you for the amendment reasons for the amendment. 00:13:36.920 --> 00:13:38.520 Yeah, that just makes it easier. 00:13:38.520 --> 00:13:49.200 It does. It does. Tori, are you where we are on this one? Were you able to get in? 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:53.000 Okay, and what should I be seeing now? I'm sorry. 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:59.080 It should say my library and view by category, location, search for title. 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:03.840 And that was going through my membership? 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:23.480 Yeah, concurrent members, and then putting in the access code. 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:44.960 And here's one. Show this, but once you start getting in and opening these books, then it'll 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:52.240 automatically pop up the last book that you looked at on this. So that's pretty nice too. 00:14:52.240 --> 00:15:05.760 Okay. Let me try to log in. Hold on. 00:15:05.760 --> 00:15:13.280 Greg, can you refresh my memory from last meeting? Did we decide to do the building 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:17.040 code first and the plumbing and all that later? 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:22.680 Maybe. Oh, okay. 00:15:22.680 --> 00:15:25.760 Emily's just going to run into some of the simpler ones first. 00:15:25.760 --> 00:15:29.280 Oh, good. Okay. Okay. 00:15:29.280 --> 00:15:39.240 And I will tell you, and again, if there is value, as early as next week, let me look 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:54.080 at my calendar. If on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, if you guys would like to meet on site, we 00:15:54.080 --> 00:16:02.160 can go through this exercise then. Can't have more than four, but certainly we could walk 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:09.040 through just how to get in, how to use it once you're in. And that may be much more 00:16:09.040 --> 00:16:15.840 helpful. So, Mr. Chair, if I might, can I just do an informal poll here? 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:20.520 Sure. Scott, can I interrupt for a second? 00:16:20.520 --> 00:16:22.880 Yes. If you have four, that's a quorum, correct? 00:16:22.880 --> 00:16:26.920 Yes, I said less than four. Oh, I thought you said we can't have more 00:16:26.920 --> 00:16:29.960 than four. No. 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:36.080 My hearing's gone from all the... Yeah, no. I would like to see if there are 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:43.840 three individuals that might like to meet Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday morning. Are there 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.720 three individuals? Yes. 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.320 Is there anyone that would like to? Let's start with one. 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:56.800 Are you talking about Monday, Tuesday? Yeah, Tory one. 00:16:56.800 --> 00:17:01.880 Okay. So, Tory, I've got Tory down as member number one that would like to meet. Do I have 00:17:01.880 --> 00:17:06.400 a member number two? Yes, David. 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:11.120 David, do I have a member number three? Is this something that would be easier for 00:17:11.120 --> 00:17:16.720 the staff to do for us to go and do it? Because I can pick up on this from Zoom. Are you talking 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:20.160 about does someone need it for themselves or do you need people to come in? Because 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:25.400 if you need people, I can come in. If you feel comfortable and you're able to do it, 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:31.840 you're fine. We're going to set up a couple of tutorials and give an opportunity for everyone 00:17:31.840 --> 00:17:36.880 of the commission members just for staff to kind of just walk through the exercise, show 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:41.360 them how that works and then give them an opportunity to do it on their own and maybe 00:17:41.360 --> 00:17:46.220 give some tips and tricks on some of the cool little tools and widgets. Mike, if you're 00:17:46.220 --> 00:17:51.480 comfortable with doing your own, you know, you can't do any damage. Go in there and tear 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.480 it up. So, okay. 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:59.280 Scott, I'll be happy to come. If that's fine, I can learn something and maybe you can show 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:10.880 me your office. Okay. So, um, how about, how about, um, Monday at 9 a.m.? Is anybody available 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:21.280 Monday at 9 a.m.? I'm available. Yes, I should be. Okay. I want to let me read. I said that 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:27.880 too quick. Let me look at my calendar. I believe so that'll work for me. Okay. Emily, are you 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:36.240 available Monday as well? Yes, I am. Okay. So, Monday, 9 a.m. Emily or Selena can send 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:41.560 out an invite to those three individuals with directions on how to park and where we're 00:18:41.560 --> 00:18:49.640 at. We'll plan on, we'll plan on Monday at 9 a.m. and then we'll, we'll make contact 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:55.240 with the other commission members and we'll set up another time for anybody that liked 00:18:55.240 --> 00:19:01.120 to get in. Mike, if you'd like to, that email will go out to the entirety of the group. 00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:05.960 So the three of you will be down for Monday at 9 a.m. If any one of you can't make it, 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:10.680 that's okay. Um, the show will go on without you and we'll provide another opportunity 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:18.520 to do this. I'll be there. I'll see you Monday at 9. Okay. So with, with that being said, 00:19:18.520 --> 00:19:24.200 maybe that will help you through this, Emily. Um, and you can kind of just, you can drill 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:29.920 into one of the, one of the books just to show an example. Sure. Yeah. I'll just go 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:35.640 through this pretty, pretty quickly. Um, Mike, so you could probably pick up on this. Um, 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:43.240 for the search title, I, I, I highly recommend put 2021 anytime you put something in. Um, 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:50.600 if you don't, it's going to be, um, a huge list of just everything. So we'll go ahead 00:19:50.600 --> 00:19:59.000 and go to mechanical. I just put 2021 international mechanical in pops right up, go over and sit 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:03.480 and hover over it. It says view premium. That's what you're going to click on to view this 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:18.200 code. Now it's not going to work. It's thinking about it. Um, so basically what this is going 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:23.320 to say, it's going to tell you what kind of versions they've got going on with those. 00:20:23.320 --> 00:20:29.240 Um, currently being viewed as the second printing, they may have had some typos or some, some, 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:34.100 um, small errors that they've fixed since the first printing, which I don't even know 00:20:34.100 --> 00:20:40.160 that it was out quite that early, but it may have been, um, it'll tell you, um, important 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:48.960 changes in the 2021. Um, it's really the changes that, um, make the most difference in building 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:57.320 codes. And then this down here is just a link that'll help you learn how to do the, um, 00:20:57.320 --> 00:21:01.480 the notes and, and I'll kind of go through that as well, but this is, you know, just 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:07.280 a nice little helpful link that'll get you there. Um, to the left is where the code sections 00:21:07.280 --> 00:21:13.620 are. Um, it, it'll, you know, it'll be, it'll read just like the book does the copyright 00:21:13.620 --> 00:21:19.240 and the preface. Um, and then it also kind of go into the arrangement and format. Um, 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:24.440 this just gives you the generalization of what each chapter is for. Um, it doesn't go 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:29.660 into codes, but it does kind of give you an overview of what, um, what the whole code 00:21:29.660 --> 00:21:35.520 book is for. Um, it'll talk about the scope and administration. It'll go into definitions. 00:21:35.520 --> 00:21:40.800 It'll just, it just kind of gives you that overview so you can understand why the book 00:21:40.800 --> 00:21:49.760 is laid out, how it is. So looking at the first chapter, um, it'll, it'll start right 00:21:49.760 --> 00:21:56.280 there with, you know, section one. Um, if you scroll all the way down, it'll stop it 00:21:56.280 --> 00:22:02.080 at, um, and it won't start at section two. You'll have to close this back up and open 00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:08.840 section two. Um, I think that's just really, it's easier to maneuver if you don't have 00:22:08.840 --> 00:22:15.280 so many sections to scroll through. Yes. And then just to, just to note, if you look at 00:22:15.280 --> 00:22:21.000 that section right there, it says section 101, and then it goes into the first section 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.960 of the code. It has an A in front of it. And there was a key in the front of the, in the 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:31.800 front of the public and that will tell you that A is administration. You might see an 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:37.900 F in some sections. That's the fire code. You might see a B that's the building code. 00:22:37.900 --> 00:22:43.440 You might see a P and that's the plumbing code. So those, those letters indicate that 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:50.680 that section is applicable to, this is the administrative sections. And then the numbering 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:59.720 will tell you that you are in chapter one, 101.1. So if we were in chapter two, it would 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:09.160 be one, or it'd be check 201.1. So she's pulling that up. So there you have the scope 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:14.940 of chapter two and so on and so forth. So if ever you're in the middle of some sort 00:23:14.940 --> 00:23:21.000 of text and you're looking at it, just know that those numbers correspond to the chapter 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:27.400 in which you are in. You'll notice that chapter two, because this is not administrative provisions, 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:37.120 it does not have an A before it. Just to, just to use her note. 00:23:37.120 --> 00:23:42.760 So I'll probably go back to chapter one just because it's got, it's got some blue on it. 00:23:42.760 --> 00:23:51.320 And so for this, this section, scope and requirements are all new. It used to just say general 00:23:51.320 --> 00:23:58.760 and you'll see, you know, throughout this code, it'll have some blue sections. I don't 00:23:58.760 --> 00:24:03.080 know if everybody can see that. And the blue means? 00:24:03.080 --> 00:24:11.520 That it's new or it's revised. Okay. Gotcha. Wording. Gotcha. Okay. And it may be something 00:24:11.520 --> 00:24:19.000 real simple. Like I think this A is just an additional A. So it could be that simple that 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:24.560 they just put in a single word or letter. So again, David, to your point, it's very 00:24:24.560 --> 00:24:31.240 helpful because again, we did a lot of heavy lifting on the 2018 codes. I mean, we bisected, 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:39.560 dissected, read. This is an easy way just to see this is what changed. So they added, 00:24:39.560 --> 00:24:47.360 so it read in the 2018 code, not more than three stories with separate means of egress. 00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:51.880 So they said, well, this would be much more clear, not more than three stories above grade 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:58.440 plane, which is defined in height with a separate means of egress. So it just reads better, 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:03.340 but it's an easy way for us to know then the work that we've already done. Does this really 00:25:03.340 --> 00:25:08.520 have an impact? No, it does not. That change has zero impact to what, you know, the substance 00:25:08.520 --> 00:25:22.720 was. It's just an easier read. Yeah. And there really wasn't a whole lot of changes. There 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:40.520 really wasn't. So that's a bonus, right? We will actually go into notes. Figure out why 00:25:40.520 --> 00:25:51.040 it's not doing the same as it did when I was in here. I wonder if it's because we're on 00:25:51.040 --> 00:26:00.920 a zoom meeting. It shouldn't be any different. Okay. Well, it is. Are you clicked on my notes? 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:11.920 You don't have to be clicked on my notes. That's where the notes go. Okay. So what I 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:33.420 might do is just pull up a picture of what it looks like. Do it. Yeah. I might have to 00:26:33.420 --> 00:27:02.680 change. New share. Okay. Can you see the new share? Looks like a Word document? No. There 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:12.040 you go. So this is part of section one. And when you're hovering over the sections, you're 00:27:12.040 --> 00:27:18.920 not on a zoom meeting. It'll pull up these little dots here. And then when you hover 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:27.580 over that, it pulls up the print. It'll pull up the share, the bookmark and the notes here. 00:27:27.580 --> 00:27:33.980 So if you click on the notes, that'll give you just an area where you can put in notes 00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:40.300 and it'll attach it to the section. And then once it attaches to the section, you save 00:27:40.300 --> 00:27:47.400 it and it'll be in that left section under my notes that we saw just a little bit ago. 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:53.960 But for some reason, it doesn't want me to show you. This is like for our own personal 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:59.200 notes, like recommended changes or suggestions or something. Yeah. I think that'd be a great 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:05.160 location for that. Yep. And then once we're done with a code section, like we've discussed 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:11.640 it, we've talked about it, I'd like to put those notes that we had for those discussions 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:24.240 in here as well. So Emily will really keep kind of a master set of notes. So her notes 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:31.080 or whether we use, maybe we'll use my account, Emily, as you're doing the work through. You 00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:36.000 can just log in my account, use my account for the final notes, and then we'll have that 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:43.680 record of the notes of what the commission had indicated, comments that were made. Yeah. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:48.740 Right now, any notes that go in there are going to be shared notes and you can share 00:28:48.740 --> 00:28:54.440 notes with other people if you take notes. So just so you know, there's a lot of functions 00:28:54.440 --> 00:29:04.640 with this premium access. So, and I'll pick on David and say, hey, if you need to ask 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:11.880 one of those questions, you can obviously, you can share and say, hey, this section, 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:21.480 what the heck does this mean? Name of jurisdiction. So just really that simple. Just it's new 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:31.480 cool tools and we'll get there. Yeah. Do we want to answer any questions before we move 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:39.400 on or look at anything else? I don't think we need to. I think everybody needs an opportunity 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:46.800 to play with it. I think Monday will be useful. We'll be able to let people put hands on it 00:29:46.800 --> 00:29:51.400 as well. We'll give the tutorial and then let people put hands on it and do it. And 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.680 I think that'll be the best tool. So no, I think we can kind of get into really the format 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:03.880 of where we're going to be going, going forward. Probably more so on our next meeting. I will 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:10.520 say that maybe today we'll really take no actions, Mr. Chair, if you don't mind. Because 00:30:10.520 --> 00:30:15.560 I want to make sure that everybody is into the codes before we do that, that there's 00:30:15.560 --> 00:30:21.480 a bumper. So maybe we'll make this meeting a little shorter than, you know, the full 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:27.600 time that we have blocked out. But Emily can provide you with kind of an outline of our 00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:35.560 draft documents and how that's going to work and look and should be familiar with already. 00:30:35.560 --> 00:30:42.600 Emily, this, this Greg Howard, when we spoke at one time, you were trying to figure out 00:30:42.600 --> 00:30:47.800 which of the topics you were going to start first, which one you were most prepared for, 00:30:47.800 --> 00:30:54.200 or maybe which ones were the easiest to guide us into this smoothly. Do you particularly 00:30:54.200 --> 00:31:00.880 have some that we could put down first? So with those who are not necessarily coming 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:06.120 to a webinar on insight training could start looking at? 00:31:06.120 --> 00:31:12.960 Sure. No, I think really any of them we could start with. I always like to start with the 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:21.240 mechanical simple. Yeah, mechanical simple. It is. It is. So that'd be a great start. 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:27.120 So Mike, you might, if you do stumble through it, you might glance at the mechanical and 00:31:27.120 --> 00:31:33.640 Emily will have us a tutorial sent out telling us what they are making changes on. I don't 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.080 think it's that drastic, as I recall. No, and the document that you should see 00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:44.240 on your screen right now is what Emily will be sending out and that we will publish on 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:52.520 the website. And this is really the work that was done previously and incorporating the 00:31:52.520 --> 00:32:04.520 changes to the 2021. So the language, just as she used in the example that first section 00:32:04.520 --> 00:32:09.480 where it is there were changes to the code. Well, we're not recommending any changes because 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:16.040 they added some clarity to grade plane and added the word or the letter A. So we're not 00:32:16.040 --> 00:32:25.600 recommending any changes. And so in the 2018 codes, section 103 was the same. Emily, was 00:32:25.600 --> 00:32:31.200 it the same number? You know, it changed a little bit, right? So 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:37.800 section 101 was the same. There was a little bit of wording differences, but it's the same. 00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:45.840 So for all users, whether they're using the free online access or the commissions using 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:53.600 the premium access, they're going to be able to look at the code, see the changes in the 00:32:53.600 --> 00:32:59.040 code, and then compare it to this document that's on the screen to say, here's what the 00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:08.640 city of Denton is going to propose to do to the 2021 code. And so example one is section 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:15.000 101.1 title. And then so we're going to keep all the language the same with the exception 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:21.360 as you saw on the other screen. Can you split your screens, Emily? 00:33:21.360 --> 00:33:32.680 Let's see. Drag that word document. It doesn't really want to do that. Drag your word document 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:41.680 to the far left or far right. Grab the top bar. Drag it left or right. 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:47.000 It's not like Teams. No, no, no, I'm not suggesting doing Teams. You're just doing it on your 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.440 monitor because you're sharing your monitor. Right. Which ones are you trying to look at? 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:58.880 The code? Yep. Yep. Okay. So maybe it's a control. There I got it. You'll see it in 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:05.360 a minute. I'm pretty sure. Unless it didn't work. Yep. It did work. Okay. Now you just 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:16.680 need to shrink the, no, shrink the, it's covering. There you go. That works. Yep. So as long 00:34:16.680 --> 00:34:23.780 as everybody has the pretty faces hidden, you should be able to see both sets of the 00:34:23.780 --> 00:34:31.820 language in the code and then how the language in the code is. So this is a really easy example 00:34:31.820 --> 00:34:40.480 of section 101 and it says name of jurisdiction. So we're doing on the left document or the 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:47.080 word document, we're striking through name of jurisdiction and we are underlining and 00:34:47.080 --> 00:35:04.240 putting in building safety department is hereby created. On 103. 103.1. Yeah. Yeah. There's 00:35:04.240 --> 00:35:11.120 a 101, the title and then a 103. That's the creation of the agency. Yeah. They're a little 00:35:11.120 --> 00:35:18.960 different. That's okay. Well, I'm reminded how exciting this can be. It is exciting. 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:26.320 So you'll see, you'll see that the code changed and added the function of the agency shall 00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:33.260 be the implementation, administration, enforcement of the provisions of this code. So on the 00:35:33.260 --> 00:35:40.040 document to your left, we're not underlining that because we're not adding that text. The 00:35:40.040 --> 00:35:46.800 text isn't, but you'll see that there was a change to the code. Again, not substantive. 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:54.880 It's just clarifying who who's doing what and all we're going to do is add the words 00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:04.440 as appropriate into that into that name of name of department where it says name of department. 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:17.720 We're just putting building safety. Does that make sense to everybody? It does. It does. 00:36:17.720 --> 00:36:23.320 We have nothing but geniuses on this board. So it won't take long. There you go. Okay. 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.640 Emily, you can blow the word document back up if you want to walk through that. I just 00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:32.480 thought it would be an easy, that would be the easiest example to kind of show that. 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:38.760 Can you use the word blow this up in a city building? I'm not, I'm not in a city building. 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:47.920 So fortunately, you're in your office. No, I have, I have my home office that I'm, oh, 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:56.280 there you go. I guess you're okay. Is this too big? No, it's okay. You can see it. Okay. 00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:02.680 Everybody can see it's probably easier for the viewers. So then we, we also have this 00:37:02.680 --> 00:37:11.320 red section that just explains kind of what it's, what, what this is for and if there's 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:18.800 any change from the last year or the last adoption. 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:28.600 We did have some changes and that was, they added a bunch of extra wording. So you will 00:37:28.600 --> 00:37:35.600 see that we already address all of our fees and the municipal fee schedule. So whenever 00:37:35.600 --> 00:37:41.200 these come through, you'll see a lot of this that's, that's taken out because of that. 00:37:41.200 --> 00:37:47.080 I think ICICI was trying to help people and kind of need more work for people with their 00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:57.200 own fee schedules. And I, and I don't know, Greg, if you want to go through these right 00:37:57.200 --> 00:38:05.880 now or, or if we're going to wait until you've had a chance to look at the, the codes. Well, 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:11.840 I think it's probably best that everybody's able to at least view it. Go through next 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:20.040 week's tutorial. Mike being the genius that he is, is going to do it from home. And then 00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:27.000 you can send out an itinerary, I hope, of which codes we're going to speak on. And you 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:33.360 can send these drafts out that already give the amended suggestions if, if that's the 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:41.520 right term. Sure. Yeah. It's, it's basically a draft of what we went through last year. 00:38:41.520 --> 00:38:46.480 And then there's a couple of one-offs like those, the fee schedule stuff that's going 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:54.320 to be added in. We will be discussing the fee schedules in this. Not the fee schedules. 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:58.320 It's already set by ordinance. That's what I thought. Yeah. It's a separate ordinance, 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:04.960 but there, but, um, there's a lot of, um, references to, uh, the code officials kind 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:10.720 of set the fees and things like that. And that's really not how the city works. Um, 00:39:10.720 --> 00:39:16.320 we adopt all fees by separate ordinance. And so we're going to just make, make this code 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:22.360 look right. But you know, somewhere down the line, when we're not here, the code official 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:27.160 doesn't decide to just make up their own permit fees. Well, and then that's the reason that 00:39:27.160 --> 00:39:32.800 we have Stephanie Berry on the call. So our legal department, um, does a great job of 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:41.080 keeping us in line. Um, so we have a nationally adopted code. Some, some look, you get into 00:39:41.080 --> 00:39:46.960 smaller units of government, whether that be, you know, towns, villages, even townships, 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.920 um, really those fees are set in a completely different process for us. It's truly policy 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.200 direction from council. Uh, they give us the policy direction. We are currently in a model 00:39:59.200 --> 00:40:04.960 that we are using cost recovery. So the cost of the service provided is what the fee is 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:11.080 established by. We had a third party come in and walk through all of our processes. 00:40:11.080 --> 00:40:17.360 They shadowed our inspectors. They shadowed administrative staff. We put in the hourly 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.160 rate, um, really work through how long it took to process an application, how much to 00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:28.560 review a set of plans, how long to perform an inspection. And so all of those fees then 00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:35.120 went before council. They, they had a presentation on, um, how we established the, the time and 00:40:35.120 --> 00:40:41.040 the dollar value. They adopted that by separate ordinance. And so nowhere in this code will 00:40:41.040 --> 00:40:47.760 we allow that code to give us any of that latitude. Um, that's truly by, by council. 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:54.360 And, uh, so yes, Emily's point, um, we're going to strike any of the language that, 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:59.400 that isn't consistent with our code and we will reference the sections of the code that 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:05.200 are applicable. I look forward to seeing that report on how long it takes to get plans through. 00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:16.280 I'll be looking forward to that. You got it. I will say, I will say that I think through 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:22.880 this process, um, for any of the viewers, as well as the commission, um, we certainly 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:30.840 want feedback on any items, even if they're outside of the, of the process that we're 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:39.480 going through. So for example, the time on review, um, the cost of a permit, um, the 00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:45.200 number of inspections, any of those types of things, we want that feedback. So whether 00:41:45.200 --> 00:41:50.520 it's the commissioner, whether it's any, anyone from the public, um, certainly provide that 00:41:50.520 --> 00:41:55.680 feedback. It doesn't mean that we'll necessarily make those changes in this code, but for me 00:41:55.680 --> 00:42:00.520 as the director, I certainly need that information to make sure when I talk to the city manager's 00:42:00.520 --> 00:42:05.600 office and when I speak to council that they understand, um, really what our community 00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:16.280 is telling us. Sorry, Emily. It's fine. No, it's good. You have any more direction towards 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:27.200 this regarding, uh, Monday's information and your updated schedule? Meaning, are you trying 00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:34.200 to end the meeting Mr. Chair? I was told by somebody that I needed to know how to do that. 00:42:34.200 --> 00:42:42.840 Miss Dillard, I got an email telling me I'm the one that has to make this happen. I don't 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:53.320 need any more direction. Good. Mike, am I doing okay on that or am I in trouble? And 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:59.080 Tori's got to pick up her kids. No, we're, we're good. We, we don't, we don't need to 00:42:59.080 --> 00:43:04.880 make any decisions today. We really wanted to just try to get that level of comfort with, 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:12.280 with, uh, you as the commission and then viewers on the call. Um, and do we have that, we have 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:20.000 that website up yet, Emily, or not yet? We do not. Okay. So, um, by our next meeting, 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:26.440 we'll have that. Um, so Mr. Chair, you can, you can do what you need to do with this meeting. 00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:31.960 We will, uh, we, we will send some, some invites out and we will make contact with the other 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.800 commission members that were not able to be present today. Um, but I expect to see three 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:41.600 of you on Monday for some reason you can't make it. That's absolutely fine. And do you 00:43:41.600 --> 00:43:49.520 know where we are? Does everybody know where our new office will be sending that? Okay. 00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:56.760 We're going to send that to the three, Selena, if you would please. Um, and I will say the 00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:02.680 parking lot is under construction. It's an active construction site. Your entry will 00:44:02.680 --> 00:44:09.440 be off of Parkway and you'll be parking immediately in front of the building. So it's some parallel 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:13.820 parking in front of the building. You can't drive all over the parking lot. We still have 00:44:13.820 --> 00:44:18.880 fresh concrete and we have landscapers in there working. So it's kind of cordoned off. 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:25.760 So there's a small, there's a small parking area for the public off of Parkway. So the 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:33.120 address is 401 North Elm, but it'll look like nobody works here. That's what it looks like. 00:44:33.120 --> 00:44:39.360 So don't be, don't be stressed out when the parking lot is. Yeah. You can, you can park 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.720 across McKinney if you want to play Frogger. That's where staff parks across the street. 00:44:45.720 --> 00:44:51.200 So you don't want to park there. I did record the comment that nobody's working there. It 00:44:51.200 --> 00:44:58.400 appears, but if you come in the building, there are actual people here. And I appreciate Scott 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:05.680 supplying lunch today. I got my sandwich delivered here. I really appreciate. So for the other 00:45:05.680 --> 00:45:10.520 board members who didn't get theirs, I apologize. Scott just must've dropped the ball, but I 00:45:10.520 --> 00:45:15.440 really appreciate it. Thank you for that. I do appreciate that. 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:22.600 Is there any other questions, concerns or comments by anybody on the meeting? So let 00:45:22.600 --> 00:45:28.440 it be stated that the meeting is adjourned because we don't have to take a motion for 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:40.120 it. I'm told. Is that right? Stephanie? That is correct. See we have legal counseling. 00:45:40.120 --> 00:45:46.120 Have a wonderful week, everybody. And thanks for your efforts to the staff. Y'all too.