1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,680 Okay, welcome everybody to the scheduled May meeting of the Historic Landmark Commission. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,440 The first thing I want to note is that we do have a quorum present. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,400 So we are officially open for business. 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:21,080 First up is the Pledge of Allegiance, if everyone will join me. 5 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:29,480 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:40,360 which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Thank you, now the Texas Pledge of Allegiance, honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance 8 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,760 to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible. 9 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,760 Alrighty, thank you everybody that could be here. 10 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:06,680 Ron, do you want to, at this point, give us an update on Ms. Cottrum? 11 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:14,960 Yes, we heard late last week that Janelle Cottrum is no longer going to be able to serve 12 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:22,160 on the HLC due to reasons that she no longer is a citizen, or a citizen resident, that 13 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,360 is, with the city of Den. 14 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,520 So, unfortunately, we will not have Janelle be joining us. 15 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:36,040 We do, however, will be filling that seat as quickly as possible due to that we need 16 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:42,680 one of the HLC commissioners to be an architect, so that will be something we are going to 17 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,480 be doing as soon as we can. 18 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,760 Okay, thank you. 19 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:54,880 First up on our agenda is approval of the March 15th of 2021 minutes. 20 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,120 I think you guys have that in your packet that was emailed to you. 21 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:10,240 And this is HLC 21-0027 to move forward, I need a motion to approve or some changes. 22 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,240 So move approval. 23 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,240 Do we have a second? 24 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,720 We have a second from Mary, who is muted. 25 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:18,720 Second. 26 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,440 Okay, so we have a motion and a second, any discussion? 27 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:33,840 Okay, all those in favor indicate by raising your hand or waving at the screen. 28 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,200 So it looks unanimous. 29 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:43,000 So the minutes from March 15th, 2021 are approved. 30 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,800 They are now signed. 31 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Second up for consideration is COA 21-0003, hold a public meeting and consider an application 32 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,920 for a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the Dent Development 33 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:08,960 Code to construct an awning and reconfigure the front facade windows at 219 Jago Street 34 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,480 within the West Oak Historic District. 35 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:17,000 This site is located on the west side of Jago Street, just north of West Oak Street. 36 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,880 And I think I'll turn it over to Ron at this point to walk us through this one. 37 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:29,720 Actually, Chair, this is one that I'm going to turn it to Cameron to make the presentation. 38 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:36,560 Can everyone see my screen? 39 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,600 No, not yet. 40 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,600 Okay. 41 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,200 Okay, wonderful. 42 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:55,120 So the first item is 219 Jago Street regarding an entrance awning and window configuration. 43 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,040 David Spada, who is the applicant, should be on the call. 44 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,320 So if you have any questions at the end of this, you can refer some of the questions 45 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,880 to him as well as myself. 46 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:12,560 So just to give you some background of location, it's in the West Oak Area Historic District. 47 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,520 The location itself is 219 Jago Street. 48 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,520 It's on the west side of Jago Street, just north of West Oak Street. 49 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,680 The applicant is David Spada, and the building was built circa 1925. 50 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,480 Oh, full view, yes, sorry. 51 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,480 Apologies. 52 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,000 Hold on, everyone. 53 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Where is the, sorry, come on. 54 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,640 This one, okay, thank you. 55 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Thank you. 56 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,320 Okay, apologies, everyone. 57 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,440 So the request is to build a new awning over the front main entrance, highlighted in the 58 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,600 red box there, as well as redo the window configuration to the south or left side of 59 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,280 the entrance. 60 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:02,620 These will both be visible along Jago Street. 61 00:05:02,620 --> 00:05:07,920 So as you can see here in these photos, the front facade in circa 2020 is on the right 62 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:17,360 hand side, and then we have our front facade currently circa 2021. 63 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,880 This is showing the front elevation from Jago Street. 64 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:27,920 They are proposing, as you can see here, the existing or the proposed awning, which is 65 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,880 over the door, it would be proposed wooden awning with brackets to match the existing 66 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:42,360 wooden eave and brackets, and the top of the awning would have the awning shingles, would 67 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,680 match the roof as well. 68 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,640 And then in terms of the windows themselves, we would have the multi-light double hung windows 69 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,860 to match those windows as you saw in 2020. 70 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:59,240 And then in terms of the siding color, it would be this mountain road, as you see here, 71 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,480 and then our trim and brick colors would be this natural choice. 72 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:10,040 So just as a reminder to everyone, we should use the Secretary of Interior standards for 73 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,080 the treatment of historic properties as a guideline for this consideration. 74 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:21,440 And then looking at section 4.9.6(c) of the DDC, I specify below the architectural requirements 75 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:27,520 in the West Oak Area Historic District regarding to architectural detail, awnings, additions, 76 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,840 roof forms, as well as windows and doors, kind of just a breakdown of those roof forms. 77 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:36,400 Once again, we're looking at the material and colors, we're looking at patterns, and 78 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,240 we're looking at the slope and pitch. 79 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,720 In terms of windows and doors, we're looking at those front facade openings, we're looking 80 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:52,720 at the glass, the style that is presented, as well as the size, the frames, and the openings. 81 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,440 Staff recommends approval of the COA request to install an awning over the main entrance 82 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,900 and the reconfigure of the windows to the south of the main entrance. 83 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:09,240 So if anyone has any questions. 84 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Can you show us the start again so that I kind of got confused on the very first picture 85 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:20,440 you shared, which was the original and kind of went from downhill from there? 86 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,440 Sure. 87 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,440 No problem. 88 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,800 Hold on a second. 89 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:41,000 Are you looking specifically at this one? 90 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,000 That one. 91 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Yeah. 92 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Okay. 93 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,000 So what are the differences? 94 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,400 I mean, what's the one on the two on the right? 95 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,960 The two on the right are the front facade in 2020. 96 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,840 The contractor didn't know that they required to get a COA. 97 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:02,400 So they had started working on the project and I asked them to stop working until they 98 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,520 got that COA. 99 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,840 So these are the original windows here on the right hand side. 100 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,840 And then these original left hand windows with the metal awnings above. 101 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:19,440 And what the applicant is proposing is this new awning with the wooden brackets to match 102 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,820 the current slope and pitch of this roof. 103 00:08:22,820 --> 00:08:30,560 As well as multi-light double hung windows to be placed on the left hand side. 104 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,560 And the right, which they've taken out and put up different windows? 105 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:34,560 Right. 106 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:39,560 So the right hand side, they would be adding and making the multi-light windows. 107 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:42,360 That's just by putting a little plastic in, right? 108 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,560 Or am I just missing the idea? 109 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,440 They've taken out the old windows and trashed them, right? 110 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:56,520 Yes, they currently put the older windows, they took them out due to energy issues and 111 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:02,760 then they proposed these multi-light double hung windows. 112 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,600 Will they be individual panels or just a little piece of plastic, which is not the same? 113 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,600 It'll be multi-light. 114 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,600 So not multi-pane. 115 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,600 No. 116 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:17,960 That's kind of not really in character in the historic district or did I miss it. 117 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,640 And in fact, you can make older windows quite work. 118 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,640 It just is kind of expensive. 119 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,240 I mean, it's changed already now, so we're just going to put little pieces of plastic 120 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:41,540 and say, oh, it's regular, it doesn't matter. 121 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:42,540 Okay. 122 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:43,540 Any other- 123 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:44,540 David, are you, sorry, Chair. 124 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:45,540 Go ahead, Cameron. 125 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:49,520 David, Spada, are you on the call by chance? 126 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,840 Okay. 127 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,440 I guess not. 128 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:59,940 The applicant had wanted to be on the call regarding this application, but I guess he 129 00:09:59,940 --> 00:10:01,280 was unable to join. 130 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Cameron, can you also remind me about color choices? 131 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:11,120 Color choices, they are not dedicated in the West Oak Area Historic District. 132 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,280 They do not require a COA. 133 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:19,440 They just need to be complimentary to the area as well as the historic pallets. 134 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,000 So technically those are not under review in this COA process. 135 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,560 Are they technically into the historic pallets? 136 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:27,360 You said they were. 137 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,360 That's why I'm asking. 138 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Yes. 139 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:38,480 You ever heard of Mountain, whatever? 140 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,620 Okay. 141 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:42,920 So I have a question, Cameron. 142 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,920 When this house was originally built, all of these individual windows were individual 143 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:47,920 panes, right? 144 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 In wooden frames? 145 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,400 Okay. 146 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,160 Okay. 147 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:02,140 Are there any other questions for the staff? 148 00:11:02,140 --> 00:11:03,800 Just our options on here. 149 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Okay. 150 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:13,700 So at this point, our options are to, and any of these would need a motion to either 151 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:20,400 approve as submitted, approve subject to conditions, to deny or continue the item, I believe, to 152 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,400 a specific date. 153 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:27,200 Any of those would need a motion and a second, in which case we would move to discussion. 154 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:34,400 I believe failing a motion, this thing is approved in, excuse me, Ron, would that be 155 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,120 180 days? 156 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,320 I have a motion. 157 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,320 Okay. 158 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,320 Go ahead. 159 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:49,460 I move that we deny the COA on the basis that the window frames do not match historic character 160 00:11:49,460 --> 00:11:52,400 and they do not replace what was there. 161 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Okay. 162 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,400 We have a motion on the floor. 163 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,400 Is there a second? 164 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:56,400 I do second that. 165 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,400 Yeah. 166 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,400 It just, it doesn't look right. 167 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,400 And it's front-facing. 168 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,400 All right. 169 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,400 Great. 170 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:08,280 So we have a motion and a second, so I will throw the floor open for discussion. 171 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,760 If we need to go back to staff to question this, but let's air this one out. 172 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Go ahead. 173 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Just take off. 174 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Well, Cameron, would you remind us again of what you said the requirements were? 175 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,880 The requirements for the window? 176 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:26,880 Yes. 177 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,180 They are required to match the style and period of the home. 178 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:36,560 So the home has previously been altered into a 1950s home in terms of those windows that 179 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:37,840 currently exist. 180 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,420 However, it was built in the 1920s. 181 00:12:41,420 --> 00:12:50,280 So I guess it is dependent upon which era people are choosing to base this approval 182 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,280 or denial upon. 183 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:59,560 Well, even a 50s home is 60 years old now, and that is antique. 184 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:05,720 When the historical district was made, what kind of windows did it have then? 185 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,400 The period of significance? 186 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:17,020 Is that what you're asking, Lenny? 187 00:13:17,020 --> 00:13:20,760 When was the historical district established? 188 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,840 It was established, I believe, in the early 2000s. 189 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,840 Yes. 190 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,280 And what kind of windows were in this house at that time? 191 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:41,560 The ones that you see -- So we're asking him to go back and put in something that wasn't 192 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:45,400 in there when it was taken into the historical district? 193 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,400 Correct. 194 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Yes. 195 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,400 No, no, no. 196 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,400 We are not asking him to take something back that wasn't there. 197 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,640 We're just asking him to match what was there before he ripped it out. 198 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,040 That doesn't seem to be what she's telling me. 199 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,200 That's what I heard, that he's -- from the pictures you showed me, Cameron, he ripped 200 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:07,560 out and put just plain glass front, the picture you showed me had divided single pane windows. 201 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,320 Now, maybe I missed it. 202 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,320 Correct. 203 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,080 So this is currently what he has because he was asked to stop work. 204 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,080 So the front facade currently in 2021, he was asked to stop work and not continue working 205 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,200 on the facade due to the fact that he needed a COA. 206 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:37,400 So the front right facade in the 2021, that shows the previous facade with the three windows 207 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,400 that are multi-pane windows and then the left-hand side. 208 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:52,780 So he has proposed putting in these multi-light double-hung windows to be more representative 209 00:14:52,780 --> 00:14:55,400 of what originally was there. 210 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:00,220 But multi-light windows are not individual planes, they're little plastic dividers that 211 00:15:00,220 --> 00:15:03,040 can easily be popped in and out, right? 212 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Correct. 213 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,520 So they're not really representative of the time period? 214 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:14,440 No, they're not representative of the time period, but they provide the same style of 215 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,520 the same -- of the period. 216 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,960 Okay. 217 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:20,960 Any further discussion? 218 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,720 I mean, Evan, jump in here. 219 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,320 Yeah, I agree with Mary on this. 220 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:31,440 I mean, it's -- I think these should be individual panes, ideally with wood, and it's -- I mean, 221 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:38,360 just because it's front-facing like that and so obviously not what it originally was, yeah, 222 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,720 I don't think it looks good. 223 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,320 Okay, well, I have a question. 224 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,920 Would we be better to modify our motion to approve with that change or you want to just 225 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,280 deny it and let him come back? 226 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:52,280 I'm ambivalent. 227 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,680 I mean, I don't care for the windows. 228 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:00,360 I think we need to change them until we can deny them in which case he has to come back 229 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,200 or we can approve it subject to that. 230 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,720 But this is a pretty big change. 231 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,720 I'm -- anybody -- let's talk about the awnings. 232 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,760 Anybody have heartburn over the awning? 233 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,280 I just didn't check the angle out. 234 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,280 I'm sorry. 235 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,560 I was so interested in the windows, I didn't see the proportionality to it. 236 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:21,120 I mean, that's totally different than what was there, and that -- I'd love to hear what 237 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,320 everybody else said, but before we go on, I mean, do we not have to continue on the 238 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,320 motion? 239 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,040 Well, I guess we denied it based on that. 240 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,040 You're right. 241 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,040 I'm sorry. 242 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,040 I'm sorry, Roy. 243 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,040 You're right. 244 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,720 Once discussion is done, we'll vote. 245 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Mary, we haven't designed -- not denied your motion yet. 246 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,400 No, I know. 247 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:41,400 I'm sorry. 248 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,400 I didn't follow. 249 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,840 No, it's still on the table. 250 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,760 I was just trying to establish whether or not -- he was the one that took out those windows 251 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:57,800 where they were already changed before he bought the property. 252 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:03,200 And I think based on the pictures, the historical windows were there in 2020, if I understand 253 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,000 the dates right. 254 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Is that correct, Cameron? 255 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,000 That is correct. 256 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 That's what I'm now understanding. 257 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Yes. 258 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000 That is correct. 259 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Okay. 260 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Any further discussion? 261 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:19,720 Well, I would like some response to your question, Roy. 262 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:26,780 Does it make a significant difference in what kind of hoops we leap through, whether we 263 00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:32,160 deny it or whether we approve it with those conditions? 264 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:39,360 Ms. Berry, do you have anything to throw in here? 265 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:48,960 Yeah, I was trying to get off of my phone and onto my computer, and now I was back home. 266 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,900 Looking at this -- if somebody can let me in the Zoom for my home, I can look at this 267 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:54,900 better. 268 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:59,440 But looking at it previously, you know, I share the same concern about the consistency 269 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:07,000 of the design in the front, and with regard to saying that those windows were there in 270 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:14,920 2020, were they there as a result of work that was done without the permit? 271 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,280 And does that make a difference? 272 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,360 I may have missed part of the discussion. 273 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:23,360 Can you all still hear me? 274 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:24,360 Am I frozen? 275 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:25,360 No. 276 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,360 No, we can hear you, Sandra. 277 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:27,360 Okay. 278 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:31,480 So when you said those windows were the ones that are pictured were there in 2020, was 279 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,280 that done? 280 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,280 Was it approved? 281 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Or was it like, okay, it's done? 282 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,000 The ones that you saw that were on the right-hand side were the wooden windows. 283 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,160 Let me get off of this one. 284 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,160 There you go. 285 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,720 See, the ones on the right are the ones that were there in 2020. 286 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:55,960 The person that's redoing it just ripped them all out now in 2021 without approval and started 287 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:02,600 doing stuff without approval, because it's easier to get forgiveness than permission. 288 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,080 So I couldn't see what the windows looked like. 289 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,280 If you look at the upper right one, you can see it's divided. 290 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,920 I can see now that it is. 291 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:23,160 Why is the proposed plan to have the new windows not duplicate what is on the right-hand side? 292 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,160 What's the ...? 293 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,940 Cassandra, so the proposed is this ... Can you see my screen? 294 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:31,940 Uh-huh. 295 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:32,940 Yes. 296 00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:41,040 The proposed is to replace what was current existing and replace it with multi-light double-hung 297 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,400 windows. 298 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,080 So multi-light does not mean individual pain. 299 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,840 It just means that there's a window grid usually placed on the window itself. 300 00:19:50,840 --> 00:20:00,680 So it does meet our policies in terms of meeting the style, but in terms of the actual period, 301 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,320 it can be up to discussion. 302 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,960 Do we know the kind of windows that are going in? 303 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,880 Aluminum, texture? 304 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,400 We currently do not know the types of windows going in. 305 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:20,040 We know that they're energy-efficient, and we just ask that they're not reflective. 306 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:25,360 In terms of the glass, we ask that they're just not reflected, tinted, or mirrored, or 307 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:26,360 plastic. 308 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:30,920 It would have to be wood framing. 309 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,880 Okay. 310 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Any further discussion? 311 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,800 Did we not ever get an answer to your question, Roy? 312 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,200 About the awning, I think that's what we were talking about. 313 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:48,960 In looking at the pictures, the old awnings appeared to be canvas and circular or rounded, 314 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,960 and the new ... 315 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:50,960 I think they were metal. 316 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,960 I think those were ... 317 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:52,960 They were metal. 318 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,960 Fashion metal. 319 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Correct. 320 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,960 It was the period of the '50s kind of thing. 321 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:56,960 It was the '40s, '50s somewhere. 322 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:04,100 That's the existing and then the proposed. 323 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:12,960 The proposed wooden roof awning appears to match the roof line and all that. 324 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Without being able to see what this thing would have looked like in 1925, I don't know whether 325 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,000 that's period or not. 326 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,080 It's reflective of many of the homes in the area. 327 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,480 There are examples of a simple awning like this, but there's also examples of porches 328 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,660 themselves with a similar roof and slope and pitch. 329 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:44,240 This is more reflective of the period of the 1920s versus this metal awnings, as you see 330 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,240 here. 331 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,000 It does change the whole look of the front. 332 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,200 It no longer has any awnings on the windows. 333 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,800 The question is, what are we actually winding up with? 334 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,840 What kind of Frankenhaus are we going to have here? 335 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,680 Are we going to go for the style that was last there, or are we going to just ignore 336 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,320 the awnings vanished on the windows? 337 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,320 The metal awnings were a 1950s edition, right? 338 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:23,080 So we're probably the windows too, but we don't know that for sure. 339 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,560 The motion on the floor is to deny this application. 340 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:35,640 We have a properly filed second, so why don't we just, how about we do name calls? 341 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,360 Ms. Berry, yay or nay? 342 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:44,520 Can you clarify that if you say yay, that means to deny? 343 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,520 Yes. 344 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,400 A yay vote is to deny the application. 345 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:53,240 The motion is to deny, so we're voting yay would be to approve the motion, which is to 346 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,240 deny. 347 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,840 Yay, because I don't think I have enough information and want to move it forward. 348 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:00,840 Okay. 349 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,840 Melody? 350 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,840 Yay. 351 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,840 Evan? 352 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,840 Yay. 353 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Lenny? 354 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:22,840 Yay, but we didn't clarify what the awnings, what they were exactly going to look like 355 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:31,120 and whether they were to match, and I think he needs to know that along with the denial. 356 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:36,280 He needs to know what would be acceptable for awnings. 357 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Okay. 358 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:45,160 I'm not sure the parliamentary move here, but why don't we just temporarily suspend voting 359 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,160 and see if Cameron can clarify that. 360 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,200 The awning he's proposing is 1920s period, and I think he's not coming back with any 361 00:23:54,200 --> 00:24:03,440 of the awnings over the windows, just the flat pitched inverted V. Is that correct, 362 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,440 Cameron? 363 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,440 Yes, that's correct. 364 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,200 So he's matching the original roof line with its slope and pitch, and that is the awning 365 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,440 that he's presenting. 366 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,080 So that is the 1920s. 367 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:22,120 He is not presenting kind of what is shown currently, which is more 1950s style. 368 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:29,320 So I think based off that, that seems to be kind of where we're kind of mixed up in the 369 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,960 discussion as whether we're wanting it to be a 1920s home or if we're looking to be 370 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,400 a 1950s home. 371 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,040 So I, yeah. 372 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Okay. 373 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,840 So let's back up and just verify the vote. 374 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,880 Any other questions while we're suspended? 375 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:58,160 So are we saying that it's okay just to have the awning over the door and no window awnings? 376 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,920 Is that what is understood to be a part of this motion? 377 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,320 Well, okay. 378 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,200 The motion denied sends him back to the drawing board where he has to redo his COA and bring 379 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,200 something back. 380 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,000 If we want to make suggestions, this would be the time to do it. 381 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Cameron, when he gets notification of rejection, do you explain to him what we didn't like? 382 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,960 I can, but it would be more helpful if it was coming from you all, specifically what 383 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,560 you're looking for, whether you're wanting it to be, if you all are looking for it to 384 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,640 be more of the, like I said, the 1920s home that it originally was, or if you're looking 385 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:52,000 for him to alter it and make additions that are similar to what we see in our 2020 façade. 386 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,120 I might have a suggestion. 387 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:59,480 There are pictures of old homes, even from before the Courtauld House burned down. 388 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,480 There are tiny little postage stamp things that I've forgotten who saved them. 389 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,720 I thought it was Dolores Vann, but I can't swear to it. 390 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,600 They're about one inch by one inch. 391 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,580 He could go back, and those are from the '40s, and look at that. 392 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:15,680 That might support what he's up to. 393 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,280 The fact that it's kind of this Franken style is kind of unsettling, and we don't really 394 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,280 know where it's going. 395 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,760 If he had one of those and showed that the awnings weren't there, it would be easy, right? 396 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,480 My sense is that everybody would prefer us to be in the '20s with regard to the styling 397 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,480 on this home. 398 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,320 Yeah, I think so. 399 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,400 That does not include awnings over the windows? 400 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,400 Correct. 401 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,400 Okay. 402 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,640 I just think he deserves to clearly know what we were thinking, so that- 403 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,400 Go ahead, Melody. 404 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,120 Okay. 405 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:59,120 I'm just listening to this, and it sounds like we have two issues that we need to address. 406 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:06,320 First of all, we have the windows. 407 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:13,080 We have to offer them some direction as to what we want them to do with those windows. 408 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:20,460 If we're going to deny this, then we have to offer them some more specific instructions 409 00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:26,640 as to why we are denying this. 410 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,040 I don't think that is an awning above the porch. 411 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:38,020 I don't know that that can be classified as an awning if it is a solid structure that 412 00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:45,180 it's more of a roof, porch roof, than it is an awning. 413 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:47,680 Is that correct? 414 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:54,660 In terms of our DDC, we have awnings described more so as what's shown by the applicant. 415 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:59,000 Porches are, in the DDC, described as supported by columns. 416 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:05,400 That is why it's referred to as an awning, but it's a little messy in terms of what's 417 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,000 shown in the DDC. 418 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,880 It is labeled an awning in the DDC, but I understand what you're talking about in terms 419 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,520 it is more of a porch roof. 420 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,600 However, when we're discussing porches, it's usually supported by a column. 421 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,600 Okay. 422 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600 All right. 423 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,880 Okay. 424 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,880 Any other questions? 425 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,880 Yes. 426 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840 Well, I just have one other comment that might help the applicant come back when he's going 427 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,960 to talk about the windows since we've kind of suggested the '20s kind of look. 428 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,280 If he showed the frame around the windows that matched the style of a '20s house, might 429 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,560 be useful because I don't remember what he showed, but it was very nondescript. 430 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:50,920 I think the '20s style had a little ... My 1914 house has a little bit of trim around 431 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,680 the edge that's a little bit decorative and not just plain flat boring. 432 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,160 I think that that should be included. 433 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,880 We might get that from that little snippet that was saved from the courthouse. 434 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,600 It would make it look holistic. 435 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,360 I don't want to come across as being mean, but tearing things down certainly doesn't 436 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,440 lend one to getting a friendly review. 437 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,440 We don't want to stop people from making money, but we do want them to keep in mind that this 438 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,440 is our neighborhood. 439 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:26,900 He probably doesn't live here and probably won't live here. 440 00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:33,200 I beg your pardon, but could we see it one more time? 441 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,200 Sure. 442 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,200 No problem. 443 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:41,880 Lenny, which one ... Do you just want to see the photos of the facade or do you want to 444 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,880 see the proposed? 445 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,960 I want to see the proposed. 446 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,960 Okay. 447 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,280 Hold on a second. 448 00:29:50,280 --> 00:30:05,560 This is our proposed. 449 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,920 Can you go back once more, Cameron? 450 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,920 Yes. 451 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,920 No problem. 452 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:15,640 I was just trying to look at the little things at top and I can't really see them, but it 453 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,960 does look like they're a little bit ... They're not square. 454 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,960 They're kind of curved. 455 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,960 Okay. 456 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,960 Then to the proposed. 457 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,960 Yeah. 458 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,280 Those are so flat on it's hard to see what they are, but I think a little window detail 459 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:34,720 would certainly be useful and awning ... What is the little support thing, the little bracket? 460 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,720 Right. 461 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,720 Yes. 462 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,720 It's a wooden bracket, but no. 463 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Lenny, is it curved? 464 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,720 What's the shape? 465 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,400 You can see that the others are curved, but this could be a square bracket, right? 466 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,400 Right. 467 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,920 It could be kind of a curve, gently sloping. 468 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,160 It should match the existing brackets. 469 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,160 And back one more time. 470 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,160 I was just going to look at the wood on the previous one. 471 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,160 I know. 472 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,160 Okay. 473 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,160 Now I'm good. 474 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,160 I'm happy now. 475 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,160 Thank you. 476 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,600 I just ... I couldn't believe that it was brick down here, to be honest, that that brick 477 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,800 was actually ... I'm sure it wasn't original, but- 478 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,800 Right. 479 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Okay. 480 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,640 So back to our motion. 481 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,440 We're going to start our vote over since we've had some discussion. 482 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,640 The motion is to deny, and the reasons are that the windows don't properly match the 483 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:30,400 period of the 20s, and that while ... And we would suggest that they add some period 484 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,280 trim, perhaps, around the windows. 485 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,560 I didn't hear a lot of objections about the awning, other than that it was plain that 486 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:47,440 as long as the supports match the existing roof supports, it might look okay. 487 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,520 So the motion is to deny, a yes vote means that you want to deny. 488 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,520 We'll start with Mary this time. 489 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,520 Yay. 490 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,520 Okay. 491 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,520 Lennie. 492 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,520 Yay. 493 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,520 Evan. 494 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Yay. 495 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,520 Melody. 496 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,520 Oh, she's muted, Melody. 497 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,440 She's muted. 498 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,800 Oh, it's okay. 499 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,520 I can come back to you. 500 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,720 I'm sorry. 501 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,560 Yay. 502 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:27,360 What is your question, Mary and Melody, since you're not clear or comfortable? 503 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:38,600 I just pulled up the Zillow view of the house, and all of the windows, all of the wooden 504 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,200 windows were not ... They were pained. 505 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:51,840 I mean, they had pains in them, except the one was a ... They were pained windows on 506 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,000 each side of a picture window. 507 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:01,680 That's the left side as we look at it. 508 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,640 Right. 509 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,440 So would you like to suggest that they bring something back that more closely matches the 510 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,440 original when they come back? 511 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,560 Those look like wooden windows. 512 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:22,640 I mean, just from the quality of this window that I'm looking at, and if we're going to 513 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:30,920 ask them to bring it back as closely as possible, then it should match this picture of the wooden 514 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,280 windows, the configuration of the wooden windows. 515 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Okay. 516 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,480 I'm seeing a lot of nodding heads, so we'll include that in the instructions, and they 517 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280 obviously have the right to come back with whatever. 518 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,080 Cassandra, what's your vote? 519 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,080 Yay. 520 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,080 Yay. 521 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:55,200 Okay, Roy will vote yes, so it's unanimously denied. 522 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:07,120 Okay, next up on our agenda is COA 21-0004, hold a public meeting and consider an application 523 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,160 for certificate of appropriateness in accordance with Section 2.9.2 of the Dent Development 524 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:18,920 Code to remove the flower boxes and replace the exterior ground floor windows at 120 West 525 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:25,920 Oak, a local historic landmark, and a contributing building to the Denton County Courthouse Square 526 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,000 National Register Historic District. 527 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,920 The site is located on the northeast corner of North Elm Street and West Oak Street. 528 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:42,200 Okay, Cameron, I'll let you take it from here. 529 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,520 Okay. 530 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:52,360 So, as the Chair stated, our next agenda item is at 120 West Oak Street. 531 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,000 It's for the flower box removal and new windows. 532 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000 So here's a map. 533 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,200 It's just showing 120 West Oak Street. 534 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,080 It's on the northeast corner of North Elm Street and West Oak Street. 535 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:10,060 The applicant is Maurizio Povici, and it was built in circa 1890. 536 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:15,440 So the request is to remove existing flower boxes and replace with wooden paneling. 537 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,920 They will replace the existing ground floor windows with 80% minimum visible light transmittance 538 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,920 glass, which is the Denton Square District requirement. 539 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,020 And this is also visible along West Oak Street. 540 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:31,840 So from here, you can see the plywood panel that they're wanting to replace with the flower 541 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,840 boxes. 542 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,480 They would be replacing the green paint that is on the exterior of the building currently 543 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,440 with this ivory tower. 544 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,880 And then, as you can see from this proposed drawing, they'll have the existing front door 545 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,560 repainted as well. 546 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,400 It shows the plywood paneling, which is about 24 inches tall, and then the replacement of 547 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,440 the glass. 548 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,000 So just as a reminder, we have the Secretary of Interior Standards. 549 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:07,200 And then in terms of Section 4.10.1 of the DDC, it specifies the purpose and overall 550 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,820 intent of the Denton Square District. 551 00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:15,320 So the purpose is to preserve historic resources and build upon the image of the square as 552 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,260 the historic vibrant and small town heart of a growing city. 553 00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:25,880 And then our overall intent is to encourage creativity and architectural diversity while 554 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,560 ensuring the overall historic character, encourage and support preservation, support building 555 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,680 designs and use of design elements in new or renovated buildings that maintain and continue 556 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:43,520 the historic design patterns, support the use of materials, promote urban vitality, 557 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,000 and encourage the integration of art into the public. 558 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,680 So below are the two relevant architectural requirements from the Denton Square District 559 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,680 Standards and Guidelines. 560 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,920 These are the façade material standards, which list the primary materials as well as 561 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,800 the following materials used for accents and trims, as well as the standards for ground 562 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,600 floor windows. 563 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,000 So staff recommends approval of the COA in request to replace the existing ground floor 564 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,920 windows and remove the flower boxes. 565 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,400 Any questions? 566 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,160 Okay, the floor is open for questions. 567 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,760 Can you show the two pictures again? 568 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,400 I couldn't quite figure out what building it was. 569 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,960 I didn't have time to drive by and figure out which one was 120. 570 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,680 So what's in there now? 571 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,200 Nothing? 572 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,640 The plan is to replace it with a marketplace. 573 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,960 Oh, there's the thing. 574 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,160 I couldn't see on my phone what the pictures were now. 575 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,080 And all they want to do is put up just white façade there instead? 576 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,080 Is that what you're saying? 577 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:01,880 They would like to do this ivory tower that is post façade color, and they would be replacing 578 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,320 the flower boxes with the plywood paneling, which is more representative of what you see 579 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,940 in the district currently. 580 00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:14,000 This is currently the only structure with flower boxes. 581 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,480 Nice idea. 582 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,040 Yes. 583 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:27,580 But okay, any other questions for staff? 584 00:38:27,580 --> 00:38:28,580 Hearing none. 585 00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:31,280 Well, make sure you wave because you're pretty small on the screen. 586 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,360 Okay, so our options are, one, approve is submitted, two, approve subject to conditions, 587 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,960 three, deny, or four, continue the item. 588 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,080 Staff recommends approval of this item. 589 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,480 In order to do anything, we need to have a motion and a second. 590 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,440 Before we do that, can I ask a question? 591 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,160 They say they're going to replace it with plywood, and Cameron, I thought it was supposed 592 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,000 to be like hardy board. 593 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,760 I could have missed it, but that's what I thought I saw Evan nodding like that. 594 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,080 Yeah, it said wood on the list was an acceptable material, and I don't know if that's supposed 595 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,600 to encompass plywood as well. 596 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,040 Yeah. 597 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,280 So yes, it does imply that plywood is acceptable. 598 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,280 Okay. 599 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,440 Because it said accents and trim, and I took that as an accent, sorry. 600 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,680 So yeah, this is accents and trim, but it includes the primary materials that listed 601 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,680 up. 602 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,680 Okay, I see. 603 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,680 Okay, thank you. 604 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,680 You're welcome. 605 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,760 I move approval. 606 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,760 Seconds. 607 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:38,440 Okay, we have a motion and a second, and we'll enter into discussions. 608 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,720 I'll open the floor. 609 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:49,840 I can imagine it was pretty hard to keep that looking nice, great idea, but- 610 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,120 Dead flowers. 611 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,120 Yeah, I think this is a big improvement. 612 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,760 An improvement, okay, hearing no other discussion, we'll call the vote, and we'll start with 613 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,480 Ms. Berry? 614 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,880 Yay. 615 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,480 Melody? 616 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,800 Yay. 617 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,200 Evan? 618 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,360 Yay. 619 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,760 Lenny? 620 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:11,920 Yes. 621 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,200 Mary? 622 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,360 Yes. 623 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,400 And Roy likewise is yes. 624 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:25,400 COA 21-0004 is approved unanimously. 625 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:38,360 Okay, next up on our agenda is COA 21-0005, to hold a public meeting and consider an application 626 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,520 for certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the Denton Development 627 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:52,000 Code to construct a new house and relocate and reduce an existing two-story garage apartment 628 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,880 to one-story located at 2230 West Oak Street within the West Oak Historic District. 629 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,480 The site is located on the northeast corner of West Oak Street and Thomas Street. 630 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:09,320 Okay, I'll turn it over to Cameron with this. 631 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:26,720 Okay, so this COA 21-005, as our Chair stated, is at 2230 West Oak Street for new construction. 632 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:31,040 So this is the West Oak Area Historic District. 633 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,400 It is located on the northeast corner of Thomas and West Oak Streets, and the applicant and 634 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,840 owners are Joe Paul and Sue Gallo, who should be on the call if you have questions after 635 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,680 this presentation. 636 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,040 So this is the existing site. 637 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:53,640 It had amended final plat approval back in January 26, 2021, to combine both lots. 638 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:59,360 The request is to relocate and reduce in stories the existing two-story garage apartment on-site, 639 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,800 which is highlighted in red, as well as construct a new one-story house. 640 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,040 The existing two-story garage apartment, which has two bedrooms and one bath upstairs and 641 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,040 one bath, a studio and garage downstairs. 642 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,960 The structure is proposed to be moved by Hitchcock House Movers and reduced to one-story, and 643 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:26,340 it is proposed to become the accessory dwelling unit to the main structure. 644 00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:29,640 This is planned to have an engineered foundation. 645 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,140 The structure is to remain stucco. 646 00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:38,800 It will not be visible from Thomas Street or West Oak Street, according to the applicant, 647 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,160 and the applicant has stated that if cracks do form due to the move, it will be repaired 648 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:50,920 to meet all requirements of DDC Section 4.9.6C. 649 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:57,680 In regards to the one-story home, it will be 1,602 square feet. 650 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,880 It will consist of three bedrooms, two bathrooms, and one side entry two-car garage from Thomas 651 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,340 Street. 652 00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:09,200 The total square footage will be approximately 2,500 square feet under roof with the garage 653 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,360 and porches. 654 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,960 The style is a carpenter bungalow style house. 655 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,960 The exterior materials to be used are siding would be cement plank and stone tile. 656 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,840 The window would be multi-light double-hung windows, and the roof would be composition 657 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,440 shingles. 658 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,920 These are pictures of the stone tiling that would be used, which is also located here 659 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,920 on the front facade, as you can see here. 660 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,800 The cement plank, and then these are the color of siding proposed. 661 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,800 The dormer and eaves would be this accent color right here. 662 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,560 The trim color would be this white, and then this would be the side color. 663 00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:02,760 And then these are the windows examples that are proposed for the residents themselves. 664 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:09,480 So, the staff recommends approval of the proposed COA request. 665 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:15,960 And then, I have also brought the example of the visual, if I'm going to stop sharing 666 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:22,400 real quick, just because it's better lighting of the stone tiling itself that's recommended 667 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,000 on sections of the base of the front facade. 668 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:32,080 Okay, questions for staff? 669 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:39,960 This owner is not the owner that we saw short recently when for the demolition of a cute 670 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:45,200 old '20s kind of building, it's a different owner. 671 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,240 He wasn't flipping that, I see. 672 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,240 Okay. 673 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,640 So, this is purchased recently. 674 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,240 It's not a Denton cab, is what I'm asking. 675 00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,640 Was the resident purchased recently, the property you mean? 676 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,640 Yes. 677 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,520 Does it show on Denton cab? 678 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,800 I am not sure of when it was purchased. 679 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:17,640 The two lots were combined in January of 2021, so I'm assuming sometime after 2021, it was 680 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,680 purchased by the property owner. 681 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:25,720 Cameron, actually the property owner purchased it about over a year ago, and he was the one 682 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:29,120 that applied for the many final plat. 683 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,640 So just don't know why it isn't shown up in BCAT yet, but this owner just purchased it 684 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,080 within a year, year and a half. 685 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,080 Could I see it again? 686 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,080 I like pictures. 687 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,080 Of course. 688 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,080 Hold on. 689 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,080 Oops. 690 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,080 Okay. 691 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:56,800 So, this is the proposed. 692 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,800 And then we do have Angela Adams from the city, if anyone has questions about moving 693 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,980 the current existing building onsite to the rear of the property, she is here to answer 694 00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:10,640 any questions you may have regarding that relocation. 695 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,640 Okay. 696 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,640 Any questions? 697 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,640 Yes. 698 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,640 Go ahead. 699 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:21,480 I was just trying to see where that part is moved over. 700 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,000 Where is it going to be? 701 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:32,000 The current garage or a garage apartment will be moved to this location in the upper left 702 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,520 hand corner of the property along Thomas street. 703 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,080 Okay, okay. 704 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,720 So it's supposedly not, this is not visible from Thomas or Oak, it's just, I find it 705 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,640 hard to believe it's not visible from Thomas street. 706 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,400 I can see maybe not from Oak, but how is it not visible from Thomas? 707 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:58,560 They plan on putting landscaping and a fence in place to hide the accessory drilling unit. 708 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,920 But there's a driveway there. 709 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,920 I don't understand. 710 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,340 You can't hide the driveway or did I just miss that? 711 00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:08,160 That driveway will be removed. 712 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,160 That's the existing driveway. 713 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,160 No, no, no. 714 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,320 I'm talking about the new driveway. 715 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,320 When they move it, there's still a driveway I see on the picture. 716 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,800 It seems like there would be a driveway. 717 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,000 I don't think that's making sense to me here. 718 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:36,360 This lane, nobody can see what I'm pointing at, but I mean, what is that space? 719 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,360 It doesn't give. 720 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,080 It looks like an alley is what I think Lenny sees, kind of what I see. 721 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,120 It's the gap between the two lots is that what I'm seeing I'm confused. 722 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,200 It's not between the two lots, I don't think. 723 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,280 Between the accessory dwelling and the house, there's like a gap, which I can't tell how 724 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,280 big it is. 725 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,040 It's not quite clear to me. 726 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:12,680 And is there a fence on the Oak Street side of that accessory facility? 727 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:19,160 On the Oak Street side, in terms of, so there is no fence along West Oak Street currently, 728 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,640 and there's not proposed to be a fence? 729 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,960 No, I don't mean along West Oak Street. 730 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:31,600 I mean along that alley or whatever that is, it's no, on the other side, or this is Thomas 731 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,600 Street. 732 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,600 Yes. 733 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:40,760 And the one that's parallel, this property that's parallel to Thomas, there's an alley 734 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,720 or something in here that's parallel to Thomas? 735 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,480 No, no, no. 736 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,320 I was thinking there was one that was parallel to Oak running into Thomas, because there's 737 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,680 just this gap. 738 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,680 That's what I mean. 739 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,800 I'm saying parallel to Thomas, parallel to Oak, you're right, right. 740 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,880 Yes, it's parallel to Oak, and it's running into Thomas. 741 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,360 What is that? 742 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,360 This section right here? 743 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,360 Move back a little bit. 744 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,360 Yeah, to the right. 745 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,360 Keep going to the right. 746 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,360 Right here? 747 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,360 Yeah. 748 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,360 That is 20 feet from the property line. 749 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,360 And keep going. 750 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,360 But what is that? 751 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,360 That's... 752 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,360 Yeah, there's the whole thing. 753 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,760 If I can interject, that is just showing dimensions. 754 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,760 It's not an alley. 755 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,480 That is just showing the dimensions, and you can see how they're noted by the feet that 756 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,480 they're showing. 757 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,480 Okay. 758 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,480 By each of those lines. 759 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,480 So where is this fence going to be? 760 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,480 We are... 761 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,960 The fence is not required by COA, but the fence would be along the property line. 762 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,320 Well, if they're saying it's not going to be seen from Thomas Street. 763 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:45,440 Well, I did inform them that if they did not end up putting a fence, they would have to 764 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,880 come back to COA, so that it can meet the current facade of the new one-story home that 765 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,880 is proposed. 766 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,960 Can I ask a question though, Cameron? 767 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,280 Can you build a fence that close to an accessory dwelling? 768 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,880 Along the property line, it'll be 20 feet setback, so it will be along this line. 769 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:03,880 Right on the street? 770 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:04,880 Where's the... 771 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:05,880 The street. 772 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,200 Because you have to have a certain distance from the street in, is what I think, if there's 773 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,200 a minimum... 774 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,560 My other question relates to materials, because the house is not stucco, but this building 775 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,520 which they claim can't be seen is. 776 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:26,440 And I can't imagine that you won't see some of it, unless they're going to cover... 777 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,880 I mean, without a fence plan, you're going to see the stucco, and you're going to see 778 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,240 what they propose, kind of that black tile-ish stuff, and it just doesn't seem to go together. 779 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,320 They look very odd. 780 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:43,800 If I had the full look in at this, if you kind of stood on the corner of Oak and Thomas 781 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,200 and looked back, you should be able to see links elsewhere in dwelling, unless the fence 782 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:53,840 is prescribed carefully, and I don't see that happening right now, and the two materials 783 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,200 don't match, or don't seem... 784 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,200 Correct. 785 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,200 Correct. 786 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,040 They don't match currently, but I informed them that if we were able to end up seeing 787 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,400 the accessory dwelling unit, they would have to come back to COA, and they would have to 788 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:15,040 go in front of HLC again to discuss that accessory dwelling unit before it was occupied. 789 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,040 I guess... 790 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:21,160 But in their letter said that as soon as the other structure started up or something, they 791 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,560 could occupy the back building. 792 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,440 And there is no enforcement, let's just put it this way. 793 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,480 So unless we actually say, "Now, you don't get COA until you tell us exactly what you're 794 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:40,120 going to do," nobody's going to ever bother looking twice, and that's a problem with HLC. 795 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,720 So I think if we don't have them come back and tell us, and Ron, and you can approve 796 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:49,720 it, but unless it's specifically stated, I've gotten a little tough about this because I've 797 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:55,600 lived here long enough, and I'm one of the longest serving members besides Roy. 798 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,120 And in fact, Roy, you and I saw this before it was torn down, right? 799 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,800 Did we take the tour with Roman? 800 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:03,800 Yes. 801 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:04,800 Yeah, exactly. 802 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,840 And so I think that we should prescribe where the fence should cover in advance so we don't 803 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,360 have to have this discussion coming back. 804 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,360 Okay. 805 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:17,120 Well, what I'm hearing, it just seems to me like we need more information than we have. 806 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,380 Maybe we're okay with it, maybe we're not, but we can't tell. 807 00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:23,040 Is that sort of where everybody is at? 808 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,040 Yeah. 809 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,700 And I'm also asking for what a carpenter, I've never heard of a carpenter bungalow, 810 00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:36,600 and I don't know that that tile is characteristic of a carpenter bungalow, Melody, are you here? 811 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,600 Yes. 812 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:38,600 Can you tell me about that? 813 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:46,720 I've never heard of that tile on the front of a bungalow. 814 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,720 I've heard on buildings like, you know, granite buildings and grand old bank buildings and 815 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,400 stuff, but I've never seen it on a house. 816 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,080 And is this house representative of the historic district, does it match the style of something 817 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,560 that would be expected to see in the historic district? 818 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,240 Okay, so Melody, you're muted, I think. 819 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,400 There we go. 820 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,400 Hello. 821 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,400 Got you. 822 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,240 Okay, my dog just went off. 823 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,360 So that's why I did that. 824 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,480 Oh, okay. 825 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:31,520 It is representative of a bungalow style house. 826 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:38,800 Typically that would not be a tile, because at the time that that style of house was popular, 827 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:46,080 it would not have been available, but it might have been a brick substance rather than a 828 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,440 tile. 829 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,560 That would have been the accent piece. 830 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:57,320 So this is a modified version of a traditional style. 831 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:03,080 I mean, they're doing their due diligence in trying to build something that will blend 832 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:12,560 in but still meet the style that they want to have. 833 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:18,040 And that's the way it appears to me. 834 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:29,120 And this the tile that they have chosen, rather than putting brick, it's just a modernization 835 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,560 of an old, older home style. 836 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,920 And I just wanted to let you all know that I believe Joe, Paul Gallo should be on the 837 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,360 call now. 838 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:46,800 So if you have any specific questions for him, you can direct some of the questions 839 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,840 for him if you have specific ones. 840 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,600 Okay, this should be a good time for that. 841 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,500 Joe, are you on the call? 842 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:56,760 Were we able to get him on the call? 843 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:57,760 Okay. 844 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:02,920 Cameron, this is Stuart with the city. 845 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:09,240 I believe he just called our public line and I gave him the Zoom call-in information. 846 00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:11,440 And so he should be calling in shortly. 847 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,440 Okay. 848 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,440 Thank you. 849 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,280 Sorry for that delay there. 850 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:22,880 Okay, so at this point, are there any other questions for staff? 851 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,880 Hearing none. 852 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,960 Well, we have four options here, and any of these four require a motion. 853 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:35,080 We can approve as submitted, approve subject to conditions, deny or continue the item. 854 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:41,200 I believe he just called our public line and I gave him the Zoom call-in information. 855 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,120 I believe that might be him on the line now. 856 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,720 Joe, is that you? 857 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:51,480 And if it is, if you could please turn down the meeting. 858 00:55:51,480 --> 00:56:02,640 Okay, Joe, are you here? 859 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,560 Yes, sir, I'm here. 860 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:13,920 Okay, so we had a couple of questions for you if you have just a minute. 861 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:19,840 Why don't I just throw the floor open and you know, Melanie, I think you had questions. 862 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,040 I think Mary had a couple of questions. 863 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,880 Anybody else just go ahead. 864 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:35,200 Well one question was, we were questioning how it would be, how the auxiliary structure 865 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:47,360 would be hidden from Thomas Street if there was no barrier on the south side. 866 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,520 Not the south side of the property, but the south side of that building. 867 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:59,120 Carmen, can you pop up the site plan? 868 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:05,560 Carmen, did you hear? 869 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,560 Can y'all hear me? 870 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,560 Yes, we can hear. 871 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,560 Hold on a second. 872 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,200 I'm bringing that up now. 873 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:19,480 Here we go, this is the site plans. 874 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,760 Joe Paul, are you able to see it? 875 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,400 No, I don't. 876 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:39,080 Just a reminder, the applicant is about 15 seconds behind from viewing, 10 to 15 seconds. 877 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,080 Okay. 878 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,360 Do you see it now? 879 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,360 No. 880 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,360 Okay. 881 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,880 Yeah, if you'll go to the site plan. 882 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,000 I am currently on the site plan. 883 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:59,080 Okay, to clarify the fence issue and the auxiliary dwelling, there is at this point right now 884 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:06,560 an older fence that was apparently a brick wall that is there, which is off the property 885 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:13,440 line and the house would be located 20 feet off the Thomas line and 10 feet off the back 886 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,440 line. 887 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:19,480 That fence will cover all the way down to this auxiliary driveway here. 888 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,260 There's two entries in the driveway. 889 00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:24,200 It's a circle driveway. 890 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:33,720 There'll be also a fence that will come across basically I would say this around the 24 area 891 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:40,720 or the 20 area that will box in this home and the individual will be able to park where 892 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:48,200 the 24 is in the offset of the property line using the existing driveway there. 893 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:54,040 So there'll be a gate there and the home will be totally enclosed by a fence. 894 00:58:54,040 --> 00:59:00,160 I guess I'm having real trouble visualizing parking and parking in this area is very difficult, 895 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:05,980 but if you were going to have a home and an accessory dwelling, what is the rule for how 896 00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:10,600 many parking spaces you must require for dwellings? 897 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,640 Four parking spaces must be required in addition to the garage itself. 898 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,560 I can't see that here, that's why I'm asking. 899 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:26,360 It's not clear where this is going to happen and how that blocks out a Stucco house that's 900 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,360 not the same. 901 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,960 A Stucco building is not the same as the house materials. 902 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:33,960 Explain that please. 903 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:34,960 Yes, go ahead. 904 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,960 I'd like a picture. 905 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,960 I'd love a picture. 906 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:37,960 Okay. 907 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:45,480 On the 20 foot marker and the 27 foot marker, there will be a fence there and a fence on 908 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:53,040 the back of the red line facing on the east side, the west side, and the north side will 909 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,040 have a fence. 910 00:59:54,040 --> 01:00:00,580 Actually, it'll be a fence on north, south, east, and west with a gate. 911 01:00:00,580 --> 01:00:09,280 And if you'll look, Carmen, if you'll go up to the north entry on the driveway, there's 912 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:17,220 probably, let me give you the dimensions, there's roughly 30 feet right in the area 913 01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:24,080 between 20 and 24 on a marker that can park two cars easily. 914 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:29,840 So they'll be able to park in front of the fence, go into the gate, and still have a 915 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:36,160 20 foot roughly or 18 foot front yard on there protected by a fence. 916 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:41,720 Okay, and then they'll pull through the curb entrance for the loop driveway? 917 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:42,720 Yes, sir. 918 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:48,240 That's correct and be facing north to a gate. 919 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,520 Okay, thank you. 920 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:56,360 Do you have other questions? 921 01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,600 And what was the material, again, Cameron, could you show us of the house itself? 922 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,600 Yes. 923 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:08,880 So, we would have a cement plank siding with the stone tiling at the base. 924 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:15,080 And then these would be the colors chosen for the dormer eaves trim and siding color. 925 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,000 And then these would be the window examples for the windows to be used on the exterior. 926 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,520 What about those windows, again, what would the color, where the white is on those windows 927 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,480 would be black or dark gray or something? 928 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,480 I also have colors. 929 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,840 I'm having a hard time visualizing them, sorry. 930 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:31,840 I have colors. 931 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:32,840 I'm a real visual person. 932 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:33,840 No worries. 933 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,280 I have colors for those as well. 934 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,280 Can you see my screen? 935 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,720 Yes, I see your screen. 936 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,920 Okay, so this is the dormer and eaves color. 937 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,920 Hopefully that's a little bit brighter than what's shown on the screen. 938 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,720 And then this is the trim color. 939 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,520 Oh yeah, much brighter. 940 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,920 And then our siding color is this lighter gray. 941 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:54,920 Okay. 942 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:55,920 Which one? 943 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,920 The third one? 944 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:57,920 Yeah. 945 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:15,480 Okay, any other questions for our owner or for staff? 946 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,480 Hearing none. 947 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,320 Okay, so where we're at is we have four options. 948 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:26,320 We can approve as submitted, approve subject to conditions, deny or continue. 949 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,000 Any of those requires a motion and a second. 950 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,460 So do we have a motion? 951 01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:34,460 I have a motion. 952 01:02:34,460 --> 01:02:39,280 I'd like to, well, I'd like to approve with conditions. 953 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,320 Conditions being that the site plan of all of the hiding and hiding the house, stucco 954 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,040 house is actually clearly legible on the site plan. 955 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,560 I can't follow waving the hands orally. 956 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:50,560 It doesn't help. 957 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:56,400 And that all of the four necessary vehicle places are specifically pointed out so that 958 01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:03,360 they don't block potential access by the sidewalk that might appear on city right of way. 959 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,080 Just so that that's actually clear. 960 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:12,080 And given that, then I think they would have to have those conditions now. 961 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,080 Okay. 962 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:18,680 So Mary's motion is to approve with conditions and her conditions are that the site plan 963 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,080 can be modified to show where the fence and parking would be. 964 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,080 And is that a fair. 965 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,080 Yes. 966 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:30,840 I bet you can't see the stucco house since the materials were so different from any, 967 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,000 any angle that is there. 968 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,000 Okay. 969 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,940 I think we understand the conditions. 970 01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:39,840 So to go forward, the motion would need a second. 971 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,840 Second. 972 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:41,840 Okay. 973 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,300 We have a motion and a second from Lenny. 974 01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:44,680 Now we move to discussions. 975 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,280 I'll open the floor. 976 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:55,080 Evan, we covered it pretty well already. 977 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,080 Okay. 978 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,080 All right. 979 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,080 That's fine with me. 980 01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,080 Okay. 981 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,080 So we've had a motion and a second. 982 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,200 The motion is to approve with conditions. 983 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:11,160 The conditions are that the site plan would be updated to reflect the fits and the visual 984 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:16,120 to assure ourselves that it will not be visible from Oak or Thomas street. 985 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,120 We'll start at. 986 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,120 Wait. 987 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,080 And also that the parking is, oh, that the parking is delineated on the site. 988 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:27,280 So that it does not take over part of the city right of way so that eventually a sidewalk 989 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,080 got put in, the parking is not on the sidewalk. 990 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,080 Okay. 991 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,520 Are there any questions of staff about these conditions? 992 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,520 Seeing no. 993 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,520 None. 994 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:38,520 We'll start to vote. 995 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:39,520 Let's go with Mary. 996 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,520 Mary, do you have a suggestion? 997 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:42,520 Yes. 998 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:43,520 Okay. 999 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,280 I'm a little confused of how you want to designate. 1000 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:51,880 Do you just want the fence dimensions and the parking spaces placed onto the site plan? 1001 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,880 Is that what you're asking? 1002 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,880 No, we can't see. 1003 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:59,840 I mean, you've described it, but you know, pictures worth a thousand words. 1004 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:04,240 So what would happen is you would need to probably change your site plan to include 1005 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:10,680 those and satisfy the staff that our conditions have been met and then you would be approved 1006 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,160 to move on to your next permit. 1007 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,160 It's basically all we want. 1008 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,680 Right, but I guess she's asking for a visual. 1009 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:24,960 I don't understand how we can show a visual with no home being there. 1010 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:33,680 All we want is to be sure that whatever, that parking is off street and that it does not 1011 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:41,720 impinge upon a sidewalk that might be built in the future along that street. 1012 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:49,640 We need to see, it needs to show where exactly the parking is and you just have to pardon 1013 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:54,480 that we can't visualize very well when you tell us. 1014 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,880 And where the fence is actually going to go. 1015 01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,920 Telling me where the fence is, is not the same as drawing the lines. 1016 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:01,920 Okay. 1017 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,880 So I guess that's all I'm asking is you just want to show a line where the fencing will 1018 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,880 go. 1019 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,880 Right. 1020 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:08,880 Yes. 1021 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,280 And then you would need to, but you don't come back to us. 1022 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:20,200 You would work with Cameron and Ron and the staff to make sure that they, because I believe 1023 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,600 they understand what our concerns are and then you move along. 1024 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,360 So okay, I understand fully. 1025 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,960 All right, Mary, your vote. 1026 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,320 Yes, Lenny. 1027 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,320 Yes. 1028 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,320 Aye. 1029 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,320 Evan. 1030 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,320 Yeah. 1031 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,320 Melody. 1032 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,320 Aye. 1033 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,320 Cassandra. 1034 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,320 Yay. 1035 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:41,320 Yay. 1036 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,520 Roy is yay. 1037 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,920 So this motion passes unanimously. 1038 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:52,600 It is approved subject to the conditions that the parking be clarified and that the fence 1039 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:58,640 be clarified and staff will work with our owner to make sure that that meets our concerns. 1040 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:08,920 Next up on our agenda is COA 21-0005 to hold a public meeting and consider an application 1041 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:14,200 for a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the Denton Development 1042 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:26,280 Code to construct, oh, pardon me, sorry, we did that one, HL 21-0001 to hold a public meeting 1043 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:32,480 and determine whether the presented expenses resulted in a permanent improvement or restoration 1044 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:38,720 of a local historic landmark property located at 1003 West Oak Street within the West Oak 1045 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,040 Historic District. 1046 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:46,200 This site is located on the south side of West Oak Street, mid-block between North Welch 1047 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,720 and Denton Street. 1048 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:53,480 Okay, Cameron, I'll turn it over. 1049 01:07:53,480 --> 01:08:02,800 So, as the Chair stated, our next agenda item is 1003 West Oak Street. 1050 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,960 It's for historic tax exemption. 1051 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,920 So it is in the Oak Hickory Historic District. 1052 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,760 It is on the south side of West Oak Street, mid-block between North Welch and Denton Streets. 1053 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,180 The owners are Salty and Joanne Rochelle. 1054 01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:23,800 It is a local historic landmark, as well as a THC-recorded historic Texas landmark, other 1055 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,040 ones known as James Newton and Ava Taber Razor House. 1056 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,240 It was built circa 1909. 1057 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:38,400 They request an application for historic landmark tax exemption under section 10-128. 1058 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,800 It is for HVAC system updates and a new rear porch, as you can see on the slide. 1059 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:50,200 The total cost came out to $28,659.48. 1060 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:59,720 So the recommendation, if you look at section 10-128D, it is for additional 10-year exemption 1061 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:05,480 for the property owner to demonstrate to city qualifying expenses of $10,000 or more, beyond 1062 01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:09,220 those demonstrated for the initial or subsequent exemption. 1063 01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:17,680 So on April 13, 2010, they were approved for a new roof and minor wood repairs and repainting. 1064 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,960 So that is what they originally got their tax exemption for. 1065 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:26,200 So this would be, as I stated, an extension of that tax exemption. 1066 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,840 Also, according to city records, no building permit was obtained for the electrical work 1067 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,360 done to the porch. 1068 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:42,520 So staff recommends a favorable determination that the expenses do result in a permanent 1069 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,520 improvement and/or restoration of the landmark property. 1070 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:50,520 However, staff does recommend that the total cost of improvements be reduced by a minimum 1071 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:56,240 of $50, which is the starting fee for electrical permits for residences. 1072 01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:02,000 Okay, let's open it for questions of staff. 1073 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:07,920 How do you know there was electrical work on the porch? 1074 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,240 These electrical light fixtures right here, they're on the top of the posts and under 1075 01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,280 here on the lighting. 1076 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,000 So those require a building permit. 1077 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,300 Do they have a building permit for the porch? 1078 01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:29,000 Building permit is not required for the porch, just the electrical work. 1079 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000 I see. 1080 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000 Okay. 1081 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,000 Wow. 1082 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,000 I learned something new today. 1083 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,000 Thank you. 1084 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,880 So they just thought that adding those lights didn't matter. 1085 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:39,880 Correct. 1086 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,380 Well, that's not totally unreasonable. 1087 01:10:43,380 --> 01:10:44,380 I wouldn't have thought so. 1088 01:10:44,380 --> 01:10:50,800 I wouldn't have thought I needed it for that, so I guess I just, as I said, I learned something 1089 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,800 new today. 1090 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:52,800 Yes. 1091 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:53,800 Okay. 1092 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,680 Any other questions? 1093 01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,680 Hearing none. 1094 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:03,520 In this particular instance, our options are, one, make a favorable finding of improvement. 1095 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:13,820 Two, make an unfavorable finding of improvement, deny or continue the item. 1096 01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:14,820 Go ahead. 1097 01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:19,160 I was just going to move a favorable finding. 1098 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,160 Second. 1099 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:21,160 Okay. 1100 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,900 We have a motion and a second. 1101 01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:25,840 That opens the item for discussion. 1102 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,960 I'll open the floor. 1103 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:34,080 I'm fairly sure he spent more than what is listed on there doing all of the work. 1104 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,560 It's a continuous process. 1105 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,000 It's right across the street from my house. 1106 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,000 It's a constant process. 1107 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,000 He's always improving the house. 1108 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,160 I have no doubt he spends at least that much. 1109 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,480 Okay. 1110 01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:50,360 We have a motion to make a favorable finding of improvement. 1111 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,360 Any other discussion? 1112 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,400 Hearing no one nodding, we'll call the vote. 1113 01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,520 This, pardon me for one minute. 1114 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,520 Okay. 1115 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,720 Let's start with Mary. 1116 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:04,720 Yes. 1117 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,000 Janelle's gone. 1118 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,000 Lenny. 1119 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,000 Yes. 1120 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,000 Cassandra. 1121 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,000 Yay. 1122 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,000 Melody. 1123 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,000 Yes. 1124 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,000 Evan. 1125 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,000 Yay. 1126 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:20,920 And Roy is yay. 1127 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,920 So this item is we make a finding unanimously. 1128 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:32,480 Favorable finding of improvements in the amount requested. 1129 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:33,480 Okay. 1130 01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:38,480 Now that I believe concludes our agenda for today. 1131 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:43,280 I think city attorney would prefer that we have adjourned by motion. 1132 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,400 So if we have a motion for adjournment and a second, we can vote. 1133 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,640 See you in a moment. 1134 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:49,640 Second. 1135 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,080 Motion and a second. 1136 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,480 All those in favor wave at the screen. 1137 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:55,480 That's unanimous. 1138 01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:56,980 So we are done for the day. 1139 01:12:56,980 --> 01:12:57,980 Thank you, everybody. 1140 01:12:57,980 --> 01:12:58,980 Take care. 1141 01:12:58,980 --> 01:12:58,980 Take care.