May 06, 2021 Health & Building Standards Commission on 2021-05-06 3:00 PM

I don't know why we can not. Well, it's on, it's on the agenda, we can do it. So I guess we have the US pledge of allegiance, so I can't see my camera, but I have a flag behind me. You do have a flag, thank you so much Stephanie. Okay, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic, which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Wow. Well, the poor computer's working real hard to bring on whoever's talking, that's great. Honor the Texas flag, honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible. First order of business is we need to approve, consider to approve the meeting minutes from April 22nd, 2021, Selena, was there an issue regarding some posting of those meeting minutes with in regards to attendance? I don't believe so. Did you not email me a question regarding attendance or something, or am I just thinking you did? I don't believe so. Can I chime in, there was, in part of the early part of the minute, and I don't have them in front of me, forgive me, it did say I was absent, but I wasn't absent, I was there. Yes ma'am. As not voting in that first vote for chair, because you were muted, so I couldn't get your vote on that vote, so that's what I got from the first one. But the minutes do that you were present in the beginning of the minute meeting, meeting minutes? Yes, that's correct. But do we need to amend that, or do we just, you want to take care of that? Selena, or am I missing something? And Selena, I think if we can, if we can maybe modify the minutes to, that Tori Mitchell was present, was present, however, unable to confirm the vote, her vote. Amen. Okay, sure, yeah, I can definitely do that. Thank you. I appreciate that Mr. Chair, and then your recommendation or somebody's recommendation. We'll take those meeting minutes as modified and stated, does anybody wish to approve these minutes and I need somebody to say something? I'll approve these minutes. We have, who said that, I'm sorry, I'm looking, Sebastian, there you are, okay. So Sebastian made a motion to approve the meeting minutes as stated. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Sorry, Mr. Coward. Yes, what did I miss? A second for that motion. Oh, I forgot, we do need a second. I apologize. I'll second that motion. David, David and Tori both seconded the. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed, let the record state that it was approved. Mr. Chair, just a note for Selena, just to recognize that David Mullen is present. I am present. I am here. Thank you. I think I was muted before when you had roll call. Yeah, she just couldn't confirm it, so I just wanted to make sure. Thank you. You are physically present, good to see you, David. Yeah. Thanks for saying something. The first order of business is to receive a report and hold a discussion and given by the staff on relating the processes for the update of the new construction codes and standards. That would be the international code, the building, the fire, existing building, residential mechanical plumbing, fuel, gas, swimming pools, energy code, and national electric code. Who is speaking to that? I'm going to briefly begin and I'm going to let Emily chime in. Emily's been doing all of the heavy lifting, so I have the voice for the, I have the face for radio. So here I am, but you've received a number of really just preliminary drafts. Those are not ordinances that we're proposing. Those are truly just what that's going to look like, what a final product is going to look like. Emily is finalizing a, really it's going to be a worksheet. It's a little easier to understand that will provide you with the section that we are proposing to amend. It will work through the typical, we'll quote the entire section. We will do strike through if we're omitting any language. We will do underline for any language that's going to be added. So you'll get the section of the code. You'll get the language that's being proposed to be changed, and then it'll give you an intent statement. So the intent of the change, why we're proposing the change, what that need is, and what we'll do is we'll walk through each of those items, but it was easiest at least to get the committee. We're not putting that out for public record. We ask that you don't share those. That is not, and I repeat, that is not a draft ordinance. Those are just an example for you to understand what the final product will look like. The working documents will be coming out before our next meeting, and then we'll go through systematically each of the codes in each of those sections. All the while, we'll make sure that we invite subject matter experts to speak on behalf of, and maybe for demonstration purposes for our next meeting. Mr. Chair, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to just go ahead, and we'd start off with the mechanical, and we can use the mechanical as an example at our next meeting on how we're going to walk through the code changes and utilize you or your staff just to make any comments or to kind of roll through that. How long do you believe you're going to have until those suggested changes will be sent out? They'll probably be out by Monday, I would assume. Emily, you want to comment on that? Yeah, I'll have those out by Monday at the latest. She can start sending them out one by one as she gets them, but keep in mind, and just start with the mechanical, Emily. The mechanical has probably half a dozen sections, I think, we're changing, and then I'm going to repeat myself, and sometimes I'm redundant, so just bear with me. We went through this process not so long ago for the 2018 codes. We have vetted this pretty strongly, and Mr. Chair, if you recall, we walked through this pretty diligently, we even got neighboring communities involved. Really we're taking the work that was done by the previous Habsco board, David will remember as well, Sebastian, so a lot of this is not going to be new material to you. There are very few changes that we're bringing forward that are going to differentiate from where we were. I will tell you the good news is the office of the fire marshal has worked very diligently and has reduced quite a number of their proposed changes, and I'm an advocate of that we have a nationally vetted standard. We have a standard that is truly the national code. It is adopted by the state of Texas as a Texas state code, and the fewer changes or amendments we have is a much better tool for everyone involved. I do appreciate the office of the fire marshal in reducing the number of amendments that are there. As we've reviewed these, we've also made some reductions in number of amendments, but we'll walk through all of those very carefully and we'll also provide a high level, just a discussion of the code. For example, the international mechanical code regulates air conditioning systems. People think of air conditioning systems as being cold, but it's heat and coal and a variety other sources that would use some sort of energy to convert energy into conditioned space. We'll walk through what that code is. We'll walk through, when we begin this process, we'll literally walk through a code book as an example to give you the layout of the code. Most likely we will go into the residential code because it's going to be easiest for all of the users and all of those that are participating online to get a better understanding of how the code is set up. All of the codes are very similar. They start with the text. It shows the text as it's written today. It provides some notes in the margins to show where text has been added, where text has been removed. A user could look at a previous edition of the code to see what language wasn't there or what language was there that is no longer there. We'll explain that chapter one deals with administration. Chapter two is definitions. Chapter three gets into the meat and potatoes of how the code works. The subsequent chapters get into the details on specific sections or systems within, whether it's the building code or the mechanical code or the fuel gas code. They're very similar in nature, very technical. We're going to just do our best to make sure that we simplify the process for everyone that's going to be viewing this online. Don't expect that we'll be too greatly challenged by any of these. Again, we'll start off with the mechanical just because I think that'll be a good simple one. I will tell you, we could start off with the electrical. I don't know if some of you that were on before, and I can't tell you how many pages of amendments we currently have on electrical, but I will tell you that we have zero, and I say again zero, recommended changes to the 2020 National Electric Code. We're going to adopt the National Electric Code as written. I think all of those items make your cooler, and I think it serves the citizens of Dent in a much better way. Emily? Thank you, Scott. When you do send those out, will you make sure you send a note at the top is, like Scott said, which ones are being modified, how they're being modified, the striped throughs. It's going to make it a lot quicker to understand once I think we get used to it. Sure. Emily, I think- I don't think we have the ability to share screens, correct? It looks like we do at the bottom of the- Do you want to try and share one of those sheets, Emily? I sure will. Emily, I know that before we did stuff, some of that stuff was in red. Are we going to do the colors again, too? I don't have them in colors. No, no, no. We can add the colors as we talk about if the committee is proposing to make changes. Okay. We absolutely could do that, David. What we're going to start with is just a clean document of this is the standpoint that we're working from. Again, we had all of those codes completed and ready to submit to city council, so we had made it that far. We're just going to reset the bar at zero and say we're going on the premise of the recommendation of where we were before, and then now just highlight what those changes are as the committee sees fit. I have a quick question for Emily. What is with the ICC website thing? That's going to be her next item. Right. Yeah, we're going to go over that. We've got a lot on that, a lot of learning curve, I guess you could say. We just got that in, I want to say end of last week, and we're working on getting that where it's real easy for you to get in and understand it. I put a bunch of notes in, and they're gone, so I've got to learn a little bit better. I'm going to get in there probably tomorrow and just really dig in. And Sebastian, what we can do in the interim, so these codes have all recently been published to this premium. Premium is new for us, thought it would be much more convenient for the commission, however, there's a learning curve for us as well as for you, but we can send you, which is out on our website as well, and I think Emily had already sent it. If anyone wants to go to ICC safe.org, ICC safe.org, or you can do a Google search of international codes online, you can get to each of these codes and you can click through them very simply, chapter one, chapter two, chapter three, all of the sections that will be referenced on the sheets that Emily is going to show you will correspond. So if you're looking at the plumbing code, and it says section 705, you go to chapter seven, and then you can just drill down to 705, and then you can see the text is written in the code. It'll be a little easier, what you have in the premium edition allows you to copy and paste and markup and do screenshots, and so truly it's a much more functional tool that's designed for people that are in the business of doing. So there are two vehicles for you to use, and certainly just going to the public site and using that tool may be simplest in the interim, but we're going to provide you with what we're going to be doing in the upcoming meeting, so you don't have to go through all of those ordinances and all of those codes right now. We'll focus on the mechanical code next week and probably begin into the residential code, because I think that'll give the best understanding for the commission as well as anyone that's watching online or wanting to participate. Yeah, it's a little tricky. There's a little spot that looks like a little icon at the very top, and it doesn't look like anything really, except like a little picture. We'll build some screenshots, Sebastian, we'll give you some screenshots and simplify it. I was doing it today, so absolutely understand where you're at. So what Emily's pulled up for you is really the format in which we're going to be working through each of these codes. This is what we're going to distribute to the public and publish online, so people are able to see. It starts off at the top, and it tells that these are the recommended amendments to the 2021, and this is the example of the International Mechanical Code. And so as you see, it gives you an explanation of the underlined type. Underlined type is text which has been inserted. Strike through means that we've deleted it, and then anything else, the double asterisk, et cetera, will kind of correspond with the code. So as you look, you'll see it'll be going in order. So section 101 is the title, and we will look out where the published code says name of jurisdiction. We'll do a strike through, and then we'll underline and insert the city of Denver. And then so you'll see in every one of those, which will correspond to the draft ordinances that you've already received. And below that, it says reason, but that gives you the rationale as to why are we doing this change. And as this one states, it's a standard insertion point to assist with local adoption, and we're not changing anything. Same thing if you go down to the next. When he says no changing, that means it hasn't changed from the last adopted code. It's very similar to what we, right? It is a change, a small change from the code, but not a change from what we previously adopted. Yeah, no change for us. So another good example, and it'd be the same on every one of the forms. All of these top in section one, the vast majority of these will correspond and correlate to each of the codes. So there's this section that is printed in the code that says work commencing before permit issuance. And the text in the code says 100% of the usual permit fee. Well, we're not allowed to do that by law. We can't just charge 100%. Texas law provides that truly it's got to be relative to the cost of doing business. So we adopt our fees by separate ordinance. This refers the user to Chapter 28 in the municipal code of ordinances where our fee adoption is. So just kind of get you there. Same with the next section. They have some fees that are in there. So we're going to delete the entirety of that section. So we didn't bother to put it in there and do strikeout. The whole section is gone because we have that piece already in our code. Stop work order is much the same. So where it is and how we do it in accordance with our local code, again, you'll see the reason it's a standard insertion point, but it assists with our local adoption. Here's a good one that would be one that's very appropriate for this board. So means of appeal. So we have struck the entire section. That's why all of this is underlined. And then we have the language that we will use in all of our codes, which will be consistent in order to hear and decide appeals of orders, decisions, or determinations made by the building official because the different codes have different terms to the application or interpretation of the requirements of this code or any other and there shall be in building standards commission. Thank you very much for your service, by the way. And then see article X, that doesn't necessarily exist, we're just when we're going to adopt these codes, we're really going to have some of our sections of the municipal code. So when we work with our legal department, we'll make sure all of those correlate. But ultimately, it'll say see chapter, whatever it is of the municipal code. Okay, so many of you should remember this one, 306 changes to, you know, appliances and addicts. I think we spent quite a little bit of time on this, if I recall. So at a minimum where it is, we left, if you read this section 306.3, appliances and addicts, it says add following sentence to the end of the paragraph. So that means that the text will all remain in place, I'm going to add another sentence. As a minimum for access to the addict space, provide one of the following, a permanent stair, a pull down stair with a minimum 300 pound capacity, an access door from an upper floor level. And again, we say why? To provide safety and ease of access for homeowner and service personnel, and it's really no change from what we've been doing to the past. So I won't, well, I was going to say, I won't go any further, but that's actually the end of the mechanical section. So you see the word end means we're done. So those are the only changes we're proposing to the mechanical code. And I was really just going to ask if this makes sense to everybody, if I need to clarify anything. I didn't know no longer than some of these are we may be able to do multiples on certain days. Absolutely. Absolutely. The electrical may be not, well, I guess we can. You said it hardly has any changes. Zero. Zero. Zero. More conversation in the swimming pool and other codes. What you sent the other day is what we're looking at right now on our screen. Is that correct? No, it was similar and similar, but those are really what the final product, final product of what the commission will be rec, the city council will be by virtue of those ordinances. But those are, those are not even really draft. That's just an example for you to see what each of those are going to look like. And as we walk through it, um, these sheets will be the ones that you'll get this week. And then it'll really give you kind of the roadmap on the direction that we will go going forward. Um, staff will just recommend that we'll, we'll start with the, I say, and then, uh, maybe, or, or we can start off, I guess, Mr. Chair, with whatever you like, if you'd like to start with a residential code and kind of give the foundation for all of it. We can talk through those points or we can walk through each of the trade codes and maybe it's a little simpler than when the residential code, let me back up, um, the, the, the foundation for the codes that we adopt in the city of Denton is the international building code. The international building code is really that parent document. And from that is, is a number of siblings. So first go to the building code and then the building code says building a building, you must follow this code except if you're building a one and two family dwelling, you use the international residential code. So there's your first carve out and it says, okay, so now I have to go to a different book. Um, then it will say, if you're going to look at mechanical systems, you use the mechanical code. If you're going to look at plumbing, you look at the plumbing code, energy, you look at the international energy conservation code, et cetera. So the parent book being the building code and then each of the other codes kind of are the, are the children of that parent document. So we can take, we have two, a couple of different approaches we can take. We can, we can start with the residential code because I think everyone can reset, you know, resonate to a single family dwelling and understand kind of the concepts. The residential code is different than the rest of the code books that it kind of builds the book like you build a house. It starts with the administration, meaning that yet you have to get a permit. You have to get inspection and then it goes into definitions and then the next chapter gets into all of the requirements to be able to build it, meaning the wind load, the snow load, earthquake, et cetera, et cetera, tells smoke alarms and all of those building items. Chapter four will then get into foundations. What's the next thing after you do, after you put a foundation in, you build walls. So then it goes into walls. After walls, it goes to roofs, after roofs, it goes to roof covering, then it starts getting into the mechanical systems. So the, the, the residential code contains every code, all of the provisions for all of the codes in one book, because you're all single family homes, basically the same, different than that of when we started talking about commercial construction, because it could be high rise or it could be, you know, any number of different types of things. So we can, we can address this and I guess Mr. Chair, you can ask the committee, you can make a decision, you can give staff direction. If you'd like to walk through each of the trade codes, or if you'd like to start with maybe the residential code and kind of get this overall feeling of how all that works together and then we can start getting into details on each of the, each of the separate codes. Emily, I see you shaking your head. I think I would refer to staff and which one they believe they would have ready first. We probably want to start with the building code. I thought that was an exceptional idea. I'm sure everybody on this whole team would agree that's where they wanted to start as well. Okay. So you're going to work on the building codes first, Emily, is that what I understand and you will be picking the one that you have or the, if we're going to do the mechanical in particular, we know we could, we've almost gone through that already. So you may want to have three or four of them ready to go. And hopefully we can get to that many. This being an open meeting, Scott, we, whatever is on the agenda is what we have to deal with. So we need to be cautious that we don't put too much on the agenda or not enough. Is that true? So we'll probably retain the same, the same sort of, and Stephanie can chime in if she sees any arm. But if you read that capture as receiver report, hold the discussion and give staff direction relating to all of those codes. So we'll, we'll produce an agenda and certainly make it available for or send it to the commission. So all of the commissioners know really where they need to do their homework. I don't expect the commissioners to read literally thousands of pages of text before next week, because we won't make it through all of those codes. But what we will do is provide you with the order in which we are suggesting to go and for what you should be prepared for. And then we'll probably add something, we'll probably put something on the agenda to say that we will specifically start with and talk about this code. So then that way, we can get interest from the from the general public, as well as trades people to be able to participate. So we'll do both. Okay. And it looks like Stephanie shaking her head. So I guess she agreed legally. That's okay. That was my only concern, because we do need to get as much as we possibly can. Does that conclude item B? I'm sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to state for the record that Mr. Michael sider is now president. Thank you. Welcome. Nice to see you, Michael. Thanks for joining us. And on the posting issue, we need to stay on posting. But because these are intertwined codes, we could like venture off to a little issue with another one. So there might be a way to write it like we're going to talk about the electrical code today and any tangential issues with other codes or something that may relate so that we're notifying the public, hey, this is our focus. You know, they may they're going to intertwine, correct? Yes, Stephanie. So I don't know that you've seen the agenda. But if you take a peek at the agenda at some point later, it's a receiver report, it lists out all of the codes. And then, and maybe if we add a second sentence to that, with a phone on code A, code B, and code C as time permits, and any other discussions relevant to those codes. Right. Like for today, that's great, because we're talking about all of them. But when we're focusing on one, so that that lets people know we're going to focus on these one, two or three, but there's not really probably a way to only talk about those since they intertwine. So like, I think your idea is perfect. Okay, awesome. Thank you. Thanks for the clarification. It may have been silly question to ask, but we are looking for input. That concludes item B of the current agenda. Emily, did you have more to kind of walk through? You're muted, Emily. Sorry. Yeah, we definitely can walk through like the building code amendments if we want to. Not necessarily today. I think we want to get them that the kind of the narrative sheets first. So we'll send those out and so you may receive a several different emails with those documents. So you just have them in as soon as you can get them, rather than getting all three of them at once or whatever the case may be. Is there anything else on the code piece or the online piece that you want to talk through, Emily? I just wanted to make sure everybody got the email to the link to sign up at ICC. I think that's the first step. And then I'm going to get a little bit more detailed step on how to actually access the codes. So, so the actual registration is pretty simple. Just basic information, I think, name and address, I don't know, email address, something like that, and a password. Yeah, they send you an access code once you put in the basic information, Emily. Okay. Great. Okay. Anybody have any additional questions regarding item B of the receive report we've been discussing? You know, I guess one other piece, and then, Emily, you are, I don't know if you have more tools than me to show your screen. You kind of cut out on all that, Scott. Sorry. Can you start over? Well, so we're creating a page to allow people to provide written input. Is that out there? It's not. We're wanting to put these amendments or proposed amendments up with that. So we'll get that cleaned up real quick. We'll share that link with the committee, encourage you to talk to others. We certainly want community participation. We want to make sure we get this in front of people in ways that we can, so invite your friends, they'll still be your friends, have to sit through a meeting with us, but we really want to make sure that the community is engaged in the part of it. When we get a little further down the road and it's more refined, we'll have a presentation to kind of outline each of these codes, and we'll probably hold a couple of town halls to make sure the community has an opportunity to weigh in. Scott, when is the city council voting whether we'll be able to meet in person? Do we know that? Don't know that. I don't think it'll be anything before June 1. I did broach the subject of whether we're able to meet in person, and I'm somewhat awaiting that. I think there's I guess a couple different things with that. We can certainly reach more people this way. We have the opportunity to reach more people this way. We certainly have the space to be able to meet in person and socially distance, and we'll have a parking lot to invite everybody to our new building here in the next two weeks, so that'll be ideal, and I really would like to see everybody. It's just a question. Okay, so that concludes item B on the items of consideration. The next item, we may have already spoken about this, is to receive a report and hold a discussion given by the staff regarding upcoming meeting schedule. I'm guessing we're still meeting every Thursday 3 to 5 if that works for everybody, anticipating that we do get these amended or doctored codes to us in timely fashion. I think there may be an issue with that on the city's end. Selena had given me some dates, and it wasn't in line with what we're doing, so I don't know if you want me to just send those out and see if people can attend those, because they are different days and different times. You're talking about we can't meet every Thursday is what you're saying, due to other links and issues with the city access? Right. It's other departments having meetings at those same times. I guess I ask all those members on the board, what would be best for you? Would it be best if she sends out a list of times and days and we attempt to fill in and agree upon, or would it be best it now? Yeah, I can give you those times right now as well, so just so... Do you have that, Emily, that you can put it on the screen? I do. I won't be able to see the screen, I'm outside my son's dentist office. We can say them out loud, thank you, Tori. Thank you. I only say that just so people can get an idea, be able to visualize, and maybe look at the... You need to blow it up. Thanks Scott, I appreciate that. You might do it. There we go. Keep going. Tori. Greg's on the call. Tori, are you there? There you go, thank you. Yes, I am. I'm here. Tori, do you have a piece of paper to make some notes? Yes, I do. We can send the dates out, just wanted to kind of talk through it. So if we just look at next week, Thursday, we don't have consistency on Thursday, however, Friday, May the 14th, and Friday, May the 28th, were available from 8 a.m. till let's just call it noon on both of those days. Those are the only two days that are really consistent. If everybody wanted a consistent time, otherwise, we have kind of some odd times that we can... Again, we can send this out and we just need people's response. Just didn't know if, again, Friday morning on the 14th and Friday morning on the 12th would work for everybody. It won't work. Go ahead, Tori. Well, it won't work for me. My son has his annual allergy appointment at the Children's Hospital at 10 on the 14th and then at nine o'clock, he has a radiology appointment on the 21st and he also has a medical appointment on the 28th. Okay. Well, that makes it easy. Mr. Chair, at the doctor's office. Yeah. I hope everything goes well for him. Well, this is some of our annual visits being done now. Okay. The next consistent one that we would have would be... We have two Thursdays, Thursday the 13th and Thursday the 20th, and so we meet from noon to 1.30 on the 13th. We could follow suit and meet from 11 to the following Thursdays. I'm available for either of those two Thursdays if that works. I'm available as well. How about everybody else? Mr. Mullen? I'm not sure. Put me down as being available and if something happens, I'll let you know. Okay. I may have work conflicts. We'll have to wait and see. Okay. Sebastian? I can attend. Okay. So we're talking about Friday at what time? Friday the 14th? Friday... No, no, no. We were on Thursday. We went to Thursday the 13th from noon to 1.30 and we'll send this out. And Thursday the 20th from 11 to 1. Okay. All right. Mike? All right. For me, I have a few meetings that do conflict in the mornings. Mostly I'm pretty flexible though. I do have a meeting on the 20th that lasts like 30, 40 minutes at 10. And then I've got one on the 14th that lasts a couple hours from 10 to 1. So I might be able to make that. The 13th and the 20th. 13th. The 13th from noon to 1.30. I could do the 13th and the 20th, I just, I forgot something at 10 in the morning. So we do the 20th from 11 to 1. I could probably do that for sure. Okay. Great. Who else are we missing here? Okay. Well if, Selena, if you want to send that out and I guess we'll call that a confirmation that way we can book the space. Yes. I'll go ahead and book that. Stephanie, hopefully you're available. I am. Oh, I have the start of a docket, but I have a lady that can start it on the 13th. So I'm fine. I'll be there. Hey, and I'll see what I can't do if we can get it in person. I'll have Emily run by QT and get us some hot dogs. I knew I'd get that from her. No. I'm sorry Mr. Chair, that's all I needed to do. I knew it was coming. I was just waiting. I didn't know if it was going to have to be me or someone else to say it. I may have some complex of interest. I may have some issues if it is in person though, I would have to point out. Okay. Nope, that's good. Could we do both, Scott? I don't know that. I don't know that. I need to see if the work session room will continue to be Zoom, similar to a P&Z meeting or a council meeting where it is we have some in person and some online. Not that it's important per se, but if it's by Zoom, I'm backed up to a court docket that is by Zoom. So if it's by Zoom, it's easier because I don't have travel time. Yeah Stephanie, it'll be by Zoom either way. Okay. I'll just see if I can't person for those that choose to come in. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Yep. I actually did a bench trial at the county with some of the people by Zoom and some of the people live. It's a little bit difficult. Yeah we've got it down to a science. I don't know that you've watched any of the council meetings or P&Z. It looks pretty good. I bet y'all do. I'm sure y'all do. Emily, do you happen to have a copy of the meeting agenda? Not in front of me. Does anybody else have a copy of the meeting? I do. I do. I'd say cut off the last quarter of my agenda. I believe item number three is the concluding items and I've just got the first sentence. I don't know if somebody wants to read that off or if you even need to. You don't have to read them. You did that to Sebastian last time. I'm not going to let you do it to him again. Nope. I got a new paper in my printer. It's just an opportunity for you Mr. Chair if any of the commissioners have anything that they'd like to add, upcoming or anything that we need to do to the future. Just a good opportunity to say what they want to say. Backing anything on that? I guess we're not. So the next meeting agenda, we're going to be having that sent out by Emily, I guess, for somebody regarding the next time. Hopefully that gets done. We'll also be receiving which codes are going to be reviewed first and an agenda for that. And then we'll be scheduling our next meeting hopefully next week on Thursday the 13th at noon. Is that correct? Yes sir. Thank you. Anybody have any other comments? Anybody have any other statements, comments regarding this agenda? If not, I need a motion to conclude the meeting. A motion that we conclude the meeting. I second. First and second, Mike, second to that and so the meeting is adjourned. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.