WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.140 Thank you. Good morning. And 00:00:06.140 --> 00:00:07.540 welcome to this meeting of 00:00:07.540 --> 00:00:09.040 density Council's Committee on 00:00:09.040 --> 00:00:11.640 the environment. I apologize 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:13.240 for the late start. Uh it is 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.720 nine or nine and we have a 00:00:16.720 --> 00:00:19.720 quorum present. So, uh, Seeing 00:00:19.720 --> 00:00:21.520 seeing that let's dive into our 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:22.920 agenda for today. First on the 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:24.520 items for consideration is item 00:00:24.520 --> 00:00:26.460 a considering approval of the 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:28.160 April 5th 2021 minutes. I'll 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:29.760 entertain a motion. Anyone 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:31.060 second it? Myself. All in 00:00:31.060 --> 00:00:33.400 favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Minutes 00:00:33.400 --> 00:00:37.500 are approved. Um item B, 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:38.500 Receive a report, hold a 00:00:38.500 --> 00:00:39.480 discussion and give staff 00:00:39.480 --> 00:00:40.540 direction on the proposed 00:00:40.540 --> 00:00:42.180 changes to the mosquito 00:00:42.180 --> 00:00:44.120 response surveillance plan. MS 00:00:44.120 --> 00:01:01.120 R P. You have the floor. Good 00:01:01.120 --> 00:01:03.620 morning, Council member. This 00:01:03.620 --> 00:01:04.560 is Deborah Vera with 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:05.860 environmental services, and I 00:01:05.860 --> 00:01:07.400 will be presenting to you the 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:08.440 proposed changes to the 00:01:08.440 --> 00:01:09.740 mosquito surveillance response 00:01:09.740 --> 00:01:20.320 plans this morning. The first 00:01:20.320 --> 00:01:22.620 plan was actually put together 00:01:22.620 --> 00:01:25.820 around 2002 as a response to 00:01:25.820 --> 00:01:27.500 the human, the first human 00:01:27.500 --> 00:01:29.760 cases of West Nile virus that 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:31.700 we had in the in this North 00:01:31.700 --> 00:01:35.600 Central region. The driver of 00:01:35.600 --> 00:01:37.940 the plan itself is just to the 00:01:37.940 --> 00:01:39.380 control of the West Nile 00:01:39.380 --> 00:01:41.780 virus in the human population 00:01:41.780 --> 00:01:44.480 and the plans, even though has 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:46.340 was first put together in 2002, 00:01:46.340 --> 00:01:47.620 it has been revised on a 00:01:47.620 --> 00:01:50.980 regular basis. Um it is 00:01:50.980 --> 00:01:53.980 important to to to note that 00:01:53.980 --> 00:01:56.160 the plan is not intended to 00:01:56.160 --> 00:01:58.220 control mosquitoes from a 00:01:58.220 --> 00:02:00.560 nuisance standpoint, but only 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.460 to control the West Nile virus, 00:02:02.460 --> 00:02:04.200 uh, the spread of West Nile 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.440 virus in the human population. 00:02:07.440 --> 00:02:10.280 Uh, the plan is broken down 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:12.340 into two big sections. The 00:02:12.340 --> 00:02:14.500 first section pretty much talks 00:02:14.500 --> 00:02:16.920 about all the information about 00:02:16.920 --> 00:02:18.540 West Nile virus mosquitoes and 00:02:18.540 --> 00:02:20.720 so on and the framework that it 00:02:20.720 --> 00:02:22.520 was used to actually put the 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.020 action plan together, which is 00:02:24.020 --> 00:02:26.720 the second part of the plan. 00:02:26.720 --> 00:02:28.680 Just diving into the to the 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.800 action plan. Uh, the plan is 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.760 divided into five risk levels, 00:02:34.760 --> 00:02:36.540 each level having conditions, 00:02:36.540 --> 00:02:38.160 triggers, recommended responses 00:02:38.160 --> 00:02:40.200 and control measures. And all 00:02:40.200 --> 00:02:42.780 those, uh, triggers are based 00:02:42.780 --> 00:02:45.800 on the, um, data that we 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.680 collect through trapping of 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:49.520 mosquitoes throughout the 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:52.420 cities. And also is based on 00:02:52.420 --> 00:02:54.740 any West Nile virus human 00:02:54.740 --> 00:02:56.380 epidemiological data that we 00:02:56.380 --> 00:02:58.820 get from Denton County Public 00:02:58.820 --> 00:03:04.260 Health Department. The plan is 00:03:04.260 --> 00:03:08.020 is a succession of levels and 00:03:08.020 --> 00:03:10.800 where the readers, I'm sorry, 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:12.740 reduction of breeding grounds 00:03:12.740 --> 00:03:15.700 are the main goal here. Without 00:03:15.700 --> 00:03:17.940 breeding grounds, we will 00:03:17.940 --> 00:03:19.440 control better the mosquito 00:03:19.440 --> 00:03:21.380 population. So there's a big 00:03:21.380 --> 00:03:24.180 emphasis on the source reduction. 00:03:24.180 --> 00:03:26.340 Uh, the next step in in 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:28.720 controls is pretty much, uh, 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:30.880 targeting the larvae, which is 00:03:30.880 --> 00:03:33.120 are the, um, baby mosquitoes 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:35.560 that are found in water. And at 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:37.820 that point, if source reduction, 00:03:37.820 --> 00:03:40.560 uh, seems to be problematic, 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.960 then we will start putting BTI, 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.400 which is a pesticide that we 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.500 put in the water is a bacteria 00:03:47.500 --> 00:03:49.000 that is very specific to the 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.280 mosquito, and it targets the 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.400 mosquitoes in the water. Um, 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:55.700 when you target mosquitoes in 00:03:55.700 --> 00:03:57.780 the water and you reduce the 00:03:57.780 --> 00:04:00.240 population, then the amount of 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:01.720 adult mosquitoes that will be 00:04:01.720 --> 00:04:04.680 able to, uh, emerge from water 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:06.680 and actually be, uh, flying 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.160 mosquitoes, uh, would be reduced 00:04:09.160 --> 00:04:11.820 as well. And the third control, 00:04:11.820 --> 00:04:15.300 uh, level is spraying, and that 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:17.100 stage only happens when we 00:04:17.100 --> 00:04:19.100 reach, uh, risk level five, 00:04:19.100 --> 00:04:21.440 which is the highest of all the 00:04:21.440 --> 00:04:23.380 risk levels that we have. It 00:04:23.380 --> 00:04:25.340 requires the approval by 00:04:25.340 --> 00:04:27.600 council by resolution. So it's 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:29.820 not an automatic steps that we 00:04:29.820 --> 00:04:31.820 take to make sure that the 00:04:31.820 --> 00:04:33.720 mosquitoes don't fall into it. 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.220 Uh, there are a lot of 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:37.920 considerations that staff will 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:40.460 take, uh, when we recommend 00:04:40.460 --> 00:04:42.460 spraying, not only, uh, the 00:04:42.460 --> 00:04:44.460 human cases that we are, uh, 00:04:44.460 --> 00:04:47.400 experiences, but also aware in 00:04:47.400 --> 00:04:49.460 the mosquito, uh, season we are 00:04:49.460 --> 00:04:54.300 and so on. Um, last year, we 00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:56.900 change the pesticide that we 00:04:56.900 --> 00:04:58.780 use. In the past, we have used 00:04:58.780 --> 00:05:01.840 the pesticide to contain in the 00:05:01.840 --> 00:05:04.780 MSRP itself. Uh, so last year, 00:05:04.780 --> 00:05:08.760 we moved to Marist 3.0, and we 00:05:08.760 --> 00:05:10.860 are proposing to continue the 00:05:10.860 --> 00:05:14.020 use of that, uh, pesticide and, 00:05:14.020 --> 00:05:16.060 uh, staff has updated the map. 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:18.040 I'm sorry, the plan to reflect 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:22.860 that. Uh, it's also important 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:25.240 to, to highlight that staff 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:26.840 have made all the changes 00:05:26.840 --> 00:05:28.940 that they need to make more on 00:05:28.940 --> 00:05:30.980 the, uh, introduction part of, 00:05:30.980 --> 00:05:32.980 of the document just to update 00:05:32.980 --> 00:05:34.980 the information with new 00:05:34.980 --> 00:05:36.980 citations, new information that 00:05:36.980 --> 00:05:39.980 is available through, uh, 00:05:39.980 --> 00:05:43.980 research paper and such. So 00:05:43.980 --> 00:05:46.000 Marist, uh, just to go a little 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.000 bit into what Marist is, uh, it 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.000 is actually the first, um, 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.000 organic pesticide that obtains 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.000 the NOP, which is the National 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.000 Organic Program Standards, and 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.000 also to the, um, it is OMRI, 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.000 which is the Organic Materials 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.020 Review Institute. So it is the 00:06:07.020 --> 00:06:09.020 first one and the last and, and 00:06:09.020 --> 00:06:11.020 the, and the only at this point 00:06:11.020 --> 00:06:13.020 who actually have, uh, be able 00:06:13.020 --> 00:06:16.020 to obtain those credentials. 00:06:16.020 --> 00:06:19.020 Um, it is formulated by 00:06:19.020 --> 00:06:21.020 pyrethrin, which is, uh, comes 00:06:21.020 --> 00:06:23.020 straight from, uh, flowers and 00:06:23.020 --> 00:06:25.040 doesn't control and doesn't 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.040 contain any petroleum distillates. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.040 So, um, that's, that's the big, 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:34.040 um, characteristic of Marist. 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:39.040 Um, staff is recommending, uh, 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:41.040 the changes to the mosquito 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:43.040 surveillance response plan. We 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:45.060 are, uh, planning to go as a 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:47.060 work session, uh, to bring this 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:48.060 as a work session item to 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:51.060 council, uh, in, in few weeks. 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:54.060 We are also doing a survey among 00:06:54.060 --> 00:06:57.060 other cities to see how, uh, how 00:06:57.060 --> 00:06:59.060 common is the use of Marist, uh, 00:06:59.060 --> 00:07:01.060 throughout the Metroplex and 00:07:01.060 --> 00:07:03.080 provide that information to you 00:07:03.080 --> 00:07:06.080 when we, um, when we have the 00:07:06.080 --> 00:07:08.080 work session. And at this point, 00:07:08.080 --> 00:07:11.080 um, I stand for any questions. 00:07:21.080 --> 00:07:25.080 Um, 00:07:25.080 --> 00:07:26.080 you're going to take the slide 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:28.080 down. 00:07:28.080 --> 00:07:33.080 Uh, yes. 00:07:33.080 --> 00:07:34.080 My only question is, I'm trying 00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:36.080 to remember about what time we 00:07:36.080 --> 00:07:40.080 hit, uh, mosquito level one, uh, 00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:41.080 last year. I'm trying to 00:07:41.080 --> 00:07:43.080 remember amid all the COVID 00:07:43.080 --> 00:07:45.080 stuff, um, what level we got to 00:07:45.080 --> 00:07:47.080 last year and about what time of 00:07:47.080 --> 00:07:52.080 the calendar year we hit it. 00:07:52.080 --> 00:07:54.080 Uh, last year, we usually start 00:07:54.080 --> 00:07:57.080 at level two, level one of the 00:07:57.080 --> 00:07:59.080 plan is if we go by, uh, we 00:07:59.080 --> 00:08:01.080 know, uh, was not virus activity 00:08:01.080 --> 00:08:03.080 whatsoever for a couple of years. 00:08:03.080 --> 00:08:06.080 And we usually start at level 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:08.080 two. So last year we started at 00:08:08.080 --> 00:08:11.080 level two and then we reached, 00:08:11.080 --> 00:08:15.080 um, the, the peak, I would say 00:08:15.080 --> 00:08:18.080 probably if memory serves me 00:08:18.080 --> 00:08:20.080 well, uh, sometime in October, 00:08:20.080 --> 00:08:22.080 September. And that's when we 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:25.080 have the three human cases, uh, 00:08:25.080 --> 00:08:27.080 two of them were unfortunately, 00:08:27.080 --> 00:08:30.080 uh, were deceased and all of the 00:08:30.080 --> 00:08:33.080 three versions of the, uh, the 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.080 forms of the West Nile virus, 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.080 uh, they were the, um, the one 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.080 that affects the brain. 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.080 Okay. So we just kind of live at 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:43.080 level two, knowing it's in our 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.080 area, it's active in our mosquito 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.080 population when they get going in 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:50.080 the summertime. And, um, but 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.080 presumably if those folks that, 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:54.080 that we know had it last year 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.080 passed away, then the measures 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.080 that we take to control the 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.080 mosquito population are, uh, 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:01.080 helping to keep people from 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:02.080 getting sick, probably saving 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.080 lives. 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.080 Correct. And again, the, the, 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.080 the big emphasis is the source 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.080 reduction, which is something 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.080 that not only the city, uh, is 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.080 actively doing through putting 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.080 BTI in drainage channels and so 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.080 on and in parks and, and so 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.080 forth, but also the population, 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.080 the residents, the, uh, business 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:26.080 owner, the property owners that 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.080 have a big role into it. 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.080 Uh, it is a joint effort because, 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.080 uh, unfortunately we cannot get 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.080 into private property to treat 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.080 those areas. So we, uh, try to 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:39.080 educate and to make BTI 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.080 available for free to the 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.080 residents. So any, in any way 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.080 that we can partner up with the, 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.080 with the, uh, community members, 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.080 uh, is the best way to go. 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.080 Thanks. 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.080 I have a couple of questions. 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.080 Um, first of all, I now 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:57.080 understand better from the 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:01.080 presentation that the move, or 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:02.080 correct me if I'm wrong, the 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.080 move from Duet to Maris is 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.080 because it's the only one with 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.080 the organic credentials? 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:10.080 The council had a 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.080 preference last year or have 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.080 expressed preference to use 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:16.080 organic pesticide, uh, to be 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.080 aligned with the IPM that was 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:22.080 put together by, by, um, the 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.080 Parks Department managing, uh, 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.080 city property. Just keep in 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.080 mind, the MSRP is outside the, 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.080 uh, IPM because we are treating 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:34.080 right of way and things of that 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.080 nature, which is a little bit 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:39.080 different from actually managing, 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.080 uh, city property per se. 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.080 Okay. So it has its own 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:46.080 characteristics. So, uh, based 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.080 on that preference that council 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.080 have shared with us, um, we 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.080 moved into Maris. Just keep in 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.080 mind, we haven't sprayed for 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.080 three years before the 2020. 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:00.080 Okay. And Maris became NOPs, 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:04.080 uh, certified and only listed 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.080 in the past four years. So this 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.080 is a fairly recent, uh, um, 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.080 pesticide that is available to 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.080 the market. Uh, one of the 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.080 some of the languages that I 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.080 included is because I'm 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.080 expecting for more organic 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.080 products to become available 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.080 through other, uh, manufacturers. 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.080 Uh, the, the statement currently 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.080 state that we will continue to 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.080 use Maris or any organic 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.080 certified pesticide that become 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.080 available because, uh, at this 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.080 point, we, our selection is very 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:38.080 limited. 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:40.080 Yeah. Well, you know, to the 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.080 extent that all this body does 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.080 is kind of help you prepare for 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.080 going to council. Uh, I would 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.080 say that, that, that would be a 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.080 good perspective to share that 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.080 you think there are other 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:56.080 organic, uh, uh, alternatives, 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.080 you know, uh, coming down the 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.080 line. Uh, cause, uh, you know, 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:06.080 I just doing a very cursory, uh, 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:09.080 search, you know, I ran into the 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.080 statement that the pest that 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.080 Maris is toxic to aquatic 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.080 organisms. I mean, good for 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.080 people. That is the priority, 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.080 but toxic to aquatic organisms, 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:20.080 including fish and aquatic 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.080 invertebrates, and then runoff 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:25.080 from treated areas or depositions 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.080 of spray droplets, droplets into 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:29.080 a body of water, maybe hazardous 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.080 to fish and aquatic invertebrates. 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.080 So, uh, first of all, I'd be 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.080 curious if that, uh, is factual 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.080 to your understanding, if it's, 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.080 uh, kind of on your radar and 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.080 how do we mitigate? 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.080 Okay. 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.080 Oh, so, okay. I was, I'm 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:48.080 asking you now, like, is there- 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.080 Okay. I thought that you were 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.080 taking me to- 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.080 Well, cause I, I would have 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:54.080 asked you what alternatives are 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:55.080 there. Well, now I understand 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:57.080 or clearly that the framing is 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.080 we're looking for alternatives 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:01.080 that are organic, and we're 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.080 hoping to have more organic 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.080 alternatives in the future than 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.080 we're hoping and expecting, but 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:08.080 so this is the one we have, and 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.080 it's dangerous to fish and 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.080 aquatic invertebrates. So, uh, 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:15.080 if that's where we're focused, 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:16.080 first of all, it does kind of 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.080 make me wonder, like, uh, how, 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.080 how toxic is the inorganic one? 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.080 You know, is organic the highest 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.080 virtue of, if the, if the organic 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:29.080 one kills fish? Uh, you know, I 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.080 mean, it gives me a little pause. 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:36.080 Well, um, duet is, is, um, not 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:39.080 soluble in water, so what, it's 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.080 one of the, the benefits of duet, 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.080 the, the previous pesticide that 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.080 we had there for, uh, it would be 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:50.080 less, um, available to aquatic 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.080 insects itself, because remember, 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.080 what we are doing with duet, or 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.080 when we're doing the spraying, we 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.080 are not trying to kill the 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.080 mosquito in the water or the 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.080 larvae. At that point, we are 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.080 targeting the adults, the flying 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.080 mosquitoes. Okay. So part of the 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:08.080 answer is we, we target away from 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:12.080 the water, the mitigation. Yeah. 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:13.080 So you still have the runoff 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.080 issue. Yeah. So pretty much the, 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.080 the duet, it was, uh, it was not 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.080 soluble or is not soluble in 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.080 water. So that prevents being, 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.080 becoming available to aquatic 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:27.080 organisms. However, it is not 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.080 organic. Duet is not an organic 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.080 pesticide. So what are the 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.080 environmental badnesses associated 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:37.080 with duet versus the environmental 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.080 badnesses associated with Maris? 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:42.080 Well, they, yeah, they, they are 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.080 different. They, they are, they are 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.080 made different. You know, the, uh, 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.080 or the duet is a pyrethroid, which 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:53.080 is a synthetic, uh, molecule that 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:55.080 is meant to resemble the 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.080 pyrethrin, which is in Maris. 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.080 Okay. But it's not quite, it's not 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:04.080 the same thing. So it will have a 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:05.080 side effects in different, uh, 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:08.080 organism. Also keep in mind the, 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.080 how the pesticide is applied, the 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.080 time that is, uh, when it's applied 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.080 during the night hours, when, um, 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:17.080 most of residents are not exposed 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.080 to it. When, for example, there was 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:23.080 a concern about bee and beekeepers, 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.080 uh, when you spray and you do it 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:27.080 during the night hours, when the 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:29.080 beehive are not active and so on, 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:33.080 you try to manage those risks a 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.080 little bit better. Okay. Um, with 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.080 the Maris, we're still applying all 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.080 those, uh, additional steps on how 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.080 you apply the, um, the pesticide. 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.080 So, uh, if you are interested, I can 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.080 probably provide you a side-by-side 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:55.080 comparison between Duet and Maris 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:58.080 and see, you know, if that's something 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.080 that, uh, that concerns, uh, council 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.080 to, to take a step on that. I think so. 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.080 I mean, because if I can find this 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.080 concern so readily, others will too. 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:14.080 Uh, and, uh, I mean, I'd be curious 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.080 to know what just your, your opinion 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:20.080 rather than just wanting to serve the 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.080 express interest in using organics, 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.080 which, you know, I shared, understand 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:28.080 looking at it holistically, which do 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.080 you think is the least bad, most 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.080 effective, you know, optimal choice, uh, 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.080 for these level five situations? Well, 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.080 um, unfortunately it depends with what 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.080 we're dealing. Oh, sure. It always 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.080 depends. Okay. So, and I think that 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.080 Duet has its, uh, pros and have its 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:54.080 cons, the same as Maris, and, uh, we 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:58.080 try to have, um, a, as many resources 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:02.080 as, as our disposal just to, uh, you 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:07.080 know, try to, to, to navigate potential 00:17:07.080 --> 00:17:10.080 scenarios, uh, when West Nile virus 00:17:10.080 --> 00:17:12.080 become actually present in human 00:17:12.080 --> 00:17:17.080 population. Um, just keep in mind that 00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:19.080 what you will be doing is making a 00:17:19.080 --> 00:17:22.080 decision on managing risk. Okay. And I'm 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:30.080 going to lose a very loose comparison. 00:17:30.080 --> 00:17:33.080 Pesticides is very similar to, to the 00:17:33.080 --> 00:17:36.080 use and antibiotics. Doctors, they don't 00:17:36.080 --> 00:17:40.080 recommend the use on, uh, of antibiotic 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:43.080 very, uh, freely. You know, you have to 00:17:43.080 --> 00:17:46.080 have certain conditions and the risk of 00:17:46.080 --> 00:17:50.080 using some of the, uh, antibiotics, uh, 00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:53.080 outnumbered the risk of actually letting 00:17:53.080 --> 00:17:56.080 the infection progress. It is very 00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:59.080 similar to pesticides. Okay. So why you 00:17:59.080 --> 00:18:02.080 are, what you will be making is a call 00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:04.080 about risk, managing that risk. Yeah. And 00:18:04.080 --> 00:18:06.080 I'm comfortable with that. I just want 00:18:06.080 --> 00:18:09.080 to weigh the two sets. Yeah. So I can 00:18:09.080 --> 00:18:12.080 definitely bring you a side-by-side 00:18:12.080 --> 00:18:17.080 comparison of do it versus, um, mayors 00:18:17.080 --> 00:18:20.080 for you to make that and, and walk you 00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:22.080 through what the risk are and what they 00:18:22.080 --> 00:18:24.080 mean. Okay. That'd be very appropriate. 00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:27.080 So I, I will make sure that I will 00:18:27.080 --> 00:18:29.080 provide that during the work session 00:18:29.080 --> 00:18:34.080 with council. Thank you. Um, uh, that, 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:36.080 that, that's sort of enough direction for 00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:39.080 me because it, it kind of puts off 00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:42.080 ultimately the decision, which would 00:18:42.080 --> 00:18:44.080 ultimately be, I mean, we have an option 00:18:44.080 --> 00:18:47.080 here of having a solid recommendation to 00:18:47.080 --> 00:18:51.080 council that they can take or leave. Um, 00:18:51.080 --> 00:18:54.080 but I would say my direction, sorry to 00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:56.080 usually person chairing gives direction 00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:58.080 last, but I'm halfway into the sense. Uh, 00:18:58.080 --> 00:19:01.080 my direction would be not to give 00:19:01.080 --> 00:19:04.080 direction, but to, um, make sure the 00:19:04.080 --> 00:19:06.080 council has this side-by-side assessment 00:19:06.080 --> 00:19:09.080 or yeah, assessment of the differential 00:19:09.080 --> 00:19:11.080 risks. Um, but, uh, what, what's your 00:19:11.080 --> 00:19:15.080 direction? I agree with that. I think 00:19:15.080 --> 00:19:17.080 we'd be, I like the way that Deborah 00:19:17.080 --> 00:19:19.080 framed that as management of risk and 00:19:19.080 --> 00:19:22.080 mitigation of risk. Um, I think if we, if 00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:24.080 we thought that organic just meant blanket 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:26.080 safe, that'd be kind of a naive way to 00:19:26.080 --> 00:19:28.080 look. I mean, tigers and Ebola are 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:30.080 organic, right? It doesn't keep them from 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:33.080 killing you. So, um, I, I think a whole 00:19:33.080 --> 00:19:35.080 holistic look at it in a staff has a 00:19:35.080 --> 00:19:37.080 recommendation, you know, certainly bring 00:19:37.080 --> 00:19:40.080 that forward as well, but giving council 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:42.080 the information to make that choice that 00:19:42.080 --> 00:19:44.080 we don't, you know, blindly follow a 00:19:44.080 --> 00:19:46.080 label without knowing all the information. 00:19:46.080 --> 00:19:50.080 And it does say very much to me that you, 00:19:50.080 --> 00:19:54.080 you don't view them as, uh, or you do view 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:57.080 them both as options. I mean, that it's 00:19:57.080 --> 00:20:00.080 not like clearly one is very bad and 00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:01.080 that's why I'm moving away from it. I'm 00:20:01.080 --> 00:20:06.080 not hearing you say that. Is that, is that 00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:10.080 fair? As I said, um, no product, no 00:20:10.080 --> 00:20:13.080 pesticides, perfect, uh, council member 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:17.080 Maltzler. And so we, we try to be very 00:20:17.080 --> 00:20:20.080 objective on what they are and what 00:20:20.080 --> 00:20:23.080 they're good for and in what situations 00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:27.080 they are appropriate. So, uh, it's a, it's 00:20:27.080 --> 00:20:29.080 toxic. Well, I mean, this, it's a, it's a 00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:32.080 thing you do when lives are at stake and 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:36.080 it comes at a, with risks. Well, and, and 00:20:36.080 --> 00:20:39.080 to be honest with you, it, it, I think it, 00:20:39.080 --> 00:20:43.080 it resonates with sections of residents 00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:45.080 who are, have concerns about the use of 00:20:45.080 --> 00:20:50.080 pesticide and because Amerus is recommended 00:20:50.080 --> 00:20:53.080 to even be used around, around agricultural 00:20:53.080 --> 00:20:55.080 fields and things like that. I think that 00:20:55.080 --> 00:21:00.080 give, um, residents a, a level of peace of 00:21:00.080 --> 00:21:03.080 mind. So that's also a component when you 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:06.080 are making a decision is, uh, you know, 00:21:06.080 --> 00:21:09.080 what the residents wants and think is 00:21:09.080 --> 00:21:12.080 more appropriate. So, uh, again, we will 00:21:12.080 --> 00:21:14.080 provide those options to you side by 00:21:14.080 --> 00:21:17.080 side in that way you can make a, a 00:21:17.080 --> 00:21:21.080 consensus, uh, decision and, uh, 00:21:21.080 --> 00:21:24.080 hopefully we, we can get this approved. 00:21:24.080 --> 00:21:26.080 Not to extend this too long, but, uh, 00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:30.080 your, uh, analogy, you know, to, uh, 00:21:30.080 --> 00:21:31.080 something like antibiotics is very 00:21:31.080 --> 00:21:33.080 helpful where, I mean, ultimately in the 00:21:33.080 --> 00:21:36.080 assessment of risk, it's, it's treat or 00:21:36.080 --> 00:21:39.080 not also, right? Cause you're saying a 00:21:39.080 --> 00:21:40.080 certain percentage of the population will 00:21:40.080 --> 00:21:43.080 have adverse effects. Human population 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:45.080 will have adverse effects from the 00:21:45.080 --> 00:21:47.080 treatment. And it's that, you know, how do 00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:50.080 you compare that to the, the quantity 00:21:50.080 --> 00:21:51.080 that, you know, the number of people who 00:21:51.080 --> 00:21:55.080 will, uh, be sick or, or perish from not 00:21:55.080 --> 00:21:57.080 treating. So the, I mean, the, the risk 00:21:57.080 --> 00:22:01.080 calculation ultimately goes that far too. 00:22:01.080 --> 00:22:04.080 Uh, okay. Thank you very much. I think 00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:06.080 we've said about what we can at this point. 00:22:06.080 --> 00:22:09.080 Any other, um, I provide a red line 00:22:09.080 --> 00:22:12.080 version. I also summarize table of all 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:15.080 the changes. Would you like to see those 00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:18.080 in any other way provided for, uh, full 00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:23.080 counsel when we go to the work session? 00:22:23.080 --> 00:22:25.080 I like the way that's presented. I think 00:22:25.080 --> 00:22:26.080 a red line is helpful for those that 00:22:26.080 --> 00:22:28.080 will get into the text. I think that's 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:30.080 helpful. Um, one of the things that's kind 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:32.080 of occurred to me, we probably, you know, 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:34.080 without overdoing it, we probably have a 00:22:34.080 --> 00:22:37.080 particularly attentive public for public 00:22:37.080 --> 00:22:39.080 health right now. And so this may be the 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:42.080 year that we, I know we do a great job of 00:22:42.080 --> 00:22:44.080 publicizing in our PR, uh, our 00:22:44.080 --> 00:22:47.080 communication staff does a great job. Uh, 00:22:47.080 --> 00:22:49.080 talking about draining your standing 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:51.080 water and all that kind of stuff. But 00:22:51.080 --> 00:22:53.080 maybe this is the year we really lean in, 00:22:53.080 --> 00:22:57.080 uh, even more, um, getting kids building 00:22:57.080 --> 00:22:59.080 bat houses to put in the backyard and, 00:22:59.080 --> 00:23:01.080 um, sharing with their neighbors that 00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:02.080 they're draining all their stuff, 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:04.080 whatever we can think of to really get it 00:23:04.080 --> 00:23:06.080 out there. If we're not hitting, uh, 00:23:06.080 --> 00:23:09.080 fatalities until September or October, 00:23:09.080 --> 00:23:11.080 that's a long time that we can be working 00:23:11.080 --> 00:23:12.080 to control the population in ways that 00:23:12.080 --> 00:23:15.080 don't require spraying. 00:23:15.080 --> 00:23:17.080 Now I love that impulse. I think that's 00:23:17.080 --> 00:23:18.080 great. 00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:23.080 Yeah, we, we have a, um, an outline, uh, 00:23:23.080 --> 00:23:26.080 process for working with, uh, uh, public 00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:29.080 communication affairs and us is a joint 00:23:29.080 --> 00:23:32.080 effort where depending on the trigger, 00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:35.080 the different fridge levels, we, we send 00:23:35.080 --> 00:23:38.080 out information. So, uh, it is, is 00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:41.080 definitely the plan is, is, is in place 00:23:41.080 --> 00:23:44.080 and we can definitely look for 00:23:44.080 --> 00:23:48.080 alternative way to reach out the community. 00:23:48.080 --> 00:23:50.080 Great. And I, I, you know, that would be 00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:53.080 another suggestion would be to do a 00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:55.080 little, a little, include a little show 00:23:55.080 --> 00:23:57.080 and tell on the public communication side. 00:23:57.080 --> 00:23:59.080 I'm going to go to council. 00:23:59.080 --> 00:24:03.080 I think they would appreciate that. 00:24:03.080 --> 00:24:05.080 Great. Thank you. Uh, if there's nothing 00:24:05.080 --> 00:24:09.080 else, I'll close the item. 00:24:09.080 --> 00:24:13.080 Very good. Moving on. Thank you very much. 00:24:13.080 --> 00:24:15.080 And, uh, we're now going to item C 00:24:15.080 --> 00:24:19.080 management reports, uh, the action items 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:21.080 matrix. 00:24:21.080 --> 00:24:24.080 And you have the matrix in your backup 00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:26.080 and if you have any questions, I can 00:24:26.080 --> 00:24:28.080 help or Brian burner is on the phone as 00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:31.080 well. 00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:36.080 I have, well, go ahead or 10 anything. 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:40.080 Um, I, I guess my only real question is 00:24:40.080 --> 00:24:42.080 the, on the status of the commercial food 00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:44.080 diversion, it's pending solid waste 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:46.080 strategy. So that kind of begs the 00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:48.080 question of, um, the solid waste 00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:49.080 strategy. How are we doing with that? 00:24:49.080 --> 00:24:51.080 Kind of where are we in the timeline? 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:53.080 Um, because I know more than just that 00:24:53.080 --> 00:24:57.080 one action item, uh, kind of hinge on 00:24:57.080 --> 00:24:59.080 that strategy. 00:24:59.080 --> 00:25:02.080 Uh, uh, uh, Mr. Chair, members of the 00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:04.080 committee, uh, Brian burner, solid waste 00:25:04.080 --> 00:25:07.080 director for the city of Denton, uh, 00:25:07.080 --> 00:25:10.080 update you on the, the, uh, status of 00:25:10.080 --> 00:25:12.080 the comprehensive solid waste management 00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:14.080 strategy. In my opinion, it's going 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:16.080 well. Uh, we have just finished last 00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:19.080 Thursday, the think tank portion of the 00:25:19.080 --> 00:25:23.080 public input for developing the strategy. 00:25:23.080 --> 00:25:25.080 And now the consultants are going back 00:25:25.080 --> 00:25:28.080 in and taking into account all the rules 00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:30.080 and regulations, the survey results, the 00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:32.080 think tank results, trying to mesh them 00:25:32.080 --> 00:25:35.080 in to put them in some sort of order 00:25:35.080 --> 00:25:37.080 that we can go to consider. 00:25:37.080 --> 00:25:38.080 Uh, over the next three or four months, 00:25:38.080 --> 00:25:40.080 what will happen is between the Council 00:25:40.080 --> 00:25:42.080 on the Environment, PUB, council, you'll 00:25:42.080 --> 00:25:45.080 start seeing draft information put in so 00:25:45.080 --> 00:25:48.080 we can have a final report back, uh, by 00:25:48.080 --> 00:25:50.080 September of this year. Now granted that 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:52.080 pushes us real close to next year, but 00:25:52.080 --> 00:25:54.080 what that allows us to do is start 00:25:54.080 --> 00:25:56.080 putting into account sort of the low 00:25:56.080 --> 00:25:59.080 hanging fruit in next fiscal year while 00:25:59.080 --> 00:26:02.080 planning the larger, bigger rollouts. 00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:04.080 Uh, there is a north central Texas 00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:06.080 council government grant process that is 00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:09.080 going to be opening here very shortly. 00:26:09.080 --> 00:26:11.080 And what we're hoping to do is to 00:26:11.080 --> 00:26:14.080 actually focus a little bit on, uh, 00:26:14.080 --> 00:26:16.080 preparing for a commercial waste 00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:19.080 diversion program, recognizing that is 00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:21.080 possibly one of those low hanging fruit 00:26:21.080 --> 00:26:24.080 issues. Uh, identifying in the valley 00:26:24.080 --> 00:26:26.080 areas, uh, where we have a large 00:26:26.080 --> 00:26:28.080 concentration of, of food establishments, 00:26:28.080 --> 00:26:30.080 trying to again go back in, determine 00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:32.080 what kind of food we have, uh, working 00:26:32.080 --> 00:26:34.080 closely with our wastewater group to 00:26:34.080 --> 00:26:37.080 digest that material in the digesters 00:26:37.080 --> 00:26:40.080 and then, uh, compost, uh, the remaining 00:26:40.080 --> 00:26:42.080 material as a part of our beneficial 00:26:42.080 --> 00:26:45.080 reuse program. So again, uh, minimal 00:26:45.080 --> 00:26:46.080 infrastructure improvements using 00:26:46.080 --> 00:26:49.080 existing staff, existing programs to 00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:51.080 basically create a synergistic effect 00:26:51.080 --> 00:26:53.080 to manage some of this commercial, uh, 00:26:53.080 --> 00:26:55.080 food waste. Uh, based on the successes 00:26:55.080 --> 00:26:57.080 of, of that information, if we, uh, we 00:26:57.080 --> 00:27:00.080 could, uh, roll forward and, uh, uh, 00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:03.080 blow it up into, to bigger implementation 00:27:03.080 --> 00:27:05.080 across the city of Denton. Uh, and then, 00:27:05.080 --> 00:27:08.080 uh, other programs, uh, as, as the, uh, 00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:12.080 the, uh, uh, process rolls out. 00:27:12.080 --> 00:27:14.080 Glad you asked that question, though. 00:27:14.080 --> 00:27:16.080 Really interesting answer. I would 00:27:16.080 --> 00:27:18.080 argue that it's, uh, both low-hanging 00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:21.080 fruit and vegetable peelings. 00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:24.080 Anyway. Um, I think you're going to get 00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:27.080 a lot of attention this year, right? 00:27:27.080 --> 00:27:30.080 I, I agree. I agree. When, and, and 00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:32.080 hopefully, and that's a good thing, so. 00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:34.080 Yeah, yeah. You know what else to do. 00:27:34.080 --> 00:27:37.080 Anything else, Pro Tem? 00:27:37.080 --> 00:27:39.080 Um, I wanted to ask about an item that 00:27:39.080 --> 00:27:41.080 I didn't see on the list. It may never 00:27:41.080 --> 00:27:43.080 have been on the list, but I, I was, uh, 00:27:43.080 --> 00:27:46.080 a while back, I separately asked by 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:48.080 Councilmember Briggs, uh, former 00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:52.080 Councilmember Briggs, where we stood on 00:27:52.080 --> 00:27:55.080 a request she had to assess changes to 00:27:55.080 --> 00:27:59.080 wooded areas of less than five acres. 00:27:59.080 --> 00:28:02.080 I, I suppose that, that's a trigger 00:28:02.080 --> 00:28:05.080 because, um, I think we, for reasons 00:28:05.080 --> 00:28:08.080 that are unclear to me, don't, uh, 00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:10.080 designate environmentally sensitive 00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:12.080 areas as such if they're less than five 00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:16.080 acres. And I think she was looking for, 00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:19.080 you know, sort of maybe how, uh, how 00:28:19.080 --> 00:28:23.080 permissive that, uh, ruling has been in 00:28:23.080 --> 00:28:25.080 terms of, you know, uh, actually creating 00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:29.080 a lot of change, uh, and, uh, you know, 00:28:29.080 --> 00:28:31.080 just giving us a better idea of what's 00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:34.080 at stake with that, with that, um, 00:28:34.080 --> 00:28:38.080 marker. So it, uh, I would just, I would 00:28:38.080 --> 00:28:41.080 go ahead and ask to, uh, if there is a 00:28:41.080 --> 00:28:44.080 way to do that assessment and if so, if 00:28:44.080 --> 00:28:46.080 we could put that on the list. 00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:49.080 I can reach out to planning and see what 00:28:49.080 --> 00:28:51.080 they have. And Depper's group may have 00:28:51.080 --> 00:28:53.080 some information on that as well that we 00:28:53.080 --> 00:28:55.080 can bring back. 00:28:55.080 --> 00:28:57.080 Thank you. And, uh, also, uh, just out of 00:28:57.080 --> 00:28:59.080 curiosity, I know we made the 00:28:59.080 --> 00:29:01.080 appointments. I'm pretty sure we, we 00:29:01.080 --> 00:29:03.080 voted on them. Uh, when does 00:29:03.080 --> 00:29:05.080 sustainability, the sustainability 00:29:05.080 --> 00:29:07.080 committee start their work? 00:29:07.080 --> 00:29:09.080 We are trying to find a date to have a 00:29:09.080 --> 00:29:11.080 virtual meeting right now. So getting 00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:14.080 everybody together and finding a two-hour 00:29:14.080 --> 00:29:16.080 block for a virtual meeting in May is 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:19.080 proving a little bit difficult. So, um, 00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:21.080 but I think we can get a regular schedule 00:29:21.080 --> 00:29:23.080 starting in June. We may do a one-off 00:29:23.080 --> 00:29:25.080 sometime in May and then plug in a 00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:27.080 regular schedule in June. 00:29:27.080 --> 00:29:29.080 Somehow every other committee finds a 00:29:29.080 --> 00:29:32.080 way to do it. I'm confident that you can. 00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:34.080 I, I believe I can. 00:29:34.080 --> 00:29:36.080 Okay. 00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:38.080 Uh, I don't have anything else. So with 00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:41.080 that, are there any conc- I suppose these 00:29:41.080 --> 00:29:43.080 might have been, uh, that might have been a 00:29:43.080 --> 00:29:44.080 concluding item. So I'm going to open 00:29:44.080 --> 00:29:46.080 concluding items retroactively, recognize 00:29:46.080 --> 00:29:48.080 the question I just asked, and ask if 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:50.080 there are any other concluding items. 00:29:50.080 --> 00:29:53.080 I've got one. Um, could we get an email or 00:29:53.080 --> 00:29:55.080 Friday report is just fine, I think, but 00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:59.080 an IPM update? Um, I, I don't necessarily 00:29:59.080 --> 00:30:01.080 want to open up the whole conversation 00:30:01.080 --> 00:30:03.080 again, but, uh, just an update on how 00:30:03.080 --> 00:30:06.080 we're doing at DENIA. Um, I was out there 00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:09.080 the other day and, uh, noticed quite a few 00:30:09.080 --> 00:30:11.080 fire ant mounds. And that's one, that's 00:30:11.080 --> 00:30:13.080 one particular, I guess I'm thinking 00:30:13.080 --> 00:30:15.080 entomology today with the, with the 00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:18.080 mosquitoes. That's one particular pest 00:30:18.080 --> 00:30:20.080 I think we're going to have a lot of 00:30:20.080 --> 00:30:22.080 trouble controlling with just the IPM in 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:24.080 the future. We might even think about a 00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:27.080 carve out for fire ants and invasive and 00:30:27.080 --> 00:30:30.080 pretty dangerous little bug. So, um, the 00:30:30.080 --> 00:30:32.080 only thing I know that kills it is 00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:33.080 orthine and nobody likes putting 00:30:33.080 --> 00:30:35.080 orthine out in parks, but it's the only 00:30:35.080 --> 00:30:37.080 thing I know that kills them. So just an 00:30:37.080 --> 00:30:40.080 update on IPM, how we're doing, uh, how 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:42.080 we're, uh, how we're evaluating 00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:44.080 ourselves and how it's working at DENIA 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:46.080 and where it might be going next. 00:30:46.080 --> 00:30:49.080 All right. I'll work with Parks on that. 00:30:49.080 --> 00:30:51.080 Thanks. 00:30:51.080 --> 00:30:54.080 Okay. There's nothing else. Um, we'll 00:30:54.080 --> 00:30:57.080 conclude the meeting and, uh, I'll call 00:30:57.080 --> 00:31:00.080 us adjourning at 940. Thanks everyone. 00:31:00.080 --> 00:31:03.080 Thanks, sir. Thank you.