1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,140 Thank you. Good morning. And 2 00:00:06,140 --> 00:00:07,540 welcome to this meeting of 3 00:00:07,540 --> 00:00:09,040 density Council's Committee on 4 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:11,640 the environment. I apologize 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,240 for the late start. Uh it is 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,720 nine or nine and we have a 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,720 quorum present. So, uh, Seeing 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,520 seeing that let's dive into our 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,920 agenda for today. First on the 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,520 items for consideration is item 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,460 a considering approval of the 12 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:28,160 April 5th 2021 minutes. I'll 13 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,760 entertain a motion. Anyone 14 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,060 second it? Myself. All in 15 00:00:31,060 --> 00:00:33,400 favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Minutes 16 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,500 are approved. Um item B, 17 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:38,500 Receive a report, hold a 18 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:39,480 discussion and give staff 19 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,540 direction on the proposed 20 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:42,180 changes to the mosquito 21 00:00:42,180 --> 00:00:44,120 response surveillance plan. MS 22 00:00:44,120 --> 00:01:01,120 R P. You have the floor. Good 23 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,620 morning, Council member. This 24 00:01:03,620 --> 00:01:04,560 is Deborah Vera with 25 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:05,860 environmental services, and I 26 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:07,400 will be presenting to you the 27 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,440 proposed changes to the 28 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,740 mosquito surveillance response 29 00:01:09,740 --> 00:01:20,320 plans this morning. The first 30 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,620 plan was actually put together 31 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:25,820 around 2002 as a response to 32 00:01:25,820 --> 00:01:27,500 the human, the first human 33 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:29,760 cases of West Nile virus that 34 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,700 we had in the in this North 35 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:35,600 Central region. The driver of 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,940 the plan itself is just to the 37 00:01:37,940 --> 00:01:39,380 control of the West Nile 38 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:41,780 virus in the human population 39 00:01:41,780 --> 00:01:44,480 and the plans, even though has 40 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,340 was first put together in 2002, 41 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:47,620 it has been revised on a 42 00:01:47,620 --> 00:01:50,980 regular basis. Um it is 43 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:53,980 important to to to note that 44 00:01:53,980 --> 00:01:56,160 the plan is not intended to 45 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,220 control mosquitoes from a 46 00:01:58,220 --> 00:02:00,560 nuisance standpoint, but only 47 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,460 to control the West Nile virus, 48 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:04,200 uh, the spread of West Nile 49 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,440 virus in the human population. 50 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,280 Uh, the plan is broken down 51 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,340 into two big sections. The 52 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:14,500 first section pretty much talks 53 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:16,920 about all the information about 54 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:18,540 West Nile virus mosquitoes and 55 00:02:18,540 --> 00:02:20,720 so on and the framework that it 56 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,520 was used to actually put the 57 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,020 action plan together, which is 58 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:26,720 the second part of the plan. 59 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,680 Just diving into the to the 60 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,800 action plan. Uh, the plan is 61 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,760 divided into five risk levels, 62 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,540 each level having conditions, 63 00:02:36,540 --> 00:02:38,160 triggers, recommended responses 64 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,200 and control measures. And all 65 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,780 those, uh, triggers are based 66 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:45,800 on the, um, data that we 67 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,680 collect through trapping of 68 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,520 mosquitoes throughout the 69 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,420 cities. And also is based on 70 00:02:52,420 --> 00:02:54,740 any West Nile virus human 71 00:02:54,740 --> 00:02:56,380 epidemiological data that we 72 00:02:56,380 --> 00:02:58,820 get from Denton County Public 73 00:02:58,820 --> 00:03:04,260 Health Department. The plan is 74 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:08,020 is a succession of levels and 75 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:10,800 where the readers, I'm sorry, 76 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,740 reduction of breeding grounds 77 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:15,700 are the main goal here. Without 78 00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:17,940 breeding grounds, we will 79 00:03:17,940 --> 00:03:19,440 control better the mosquito 80 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,380 population. So there's a big 81 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:24,180 emphasis on the source reduction. 82 00:03:24,180 --> 00:03:26,340 Uh, the next step in in 83 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:28,720 controls is pretty much, uh, 84 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,880 targeting the larvae, which is 85 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,120 are the, um, baby mosquitoes 86 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,560 that are found in water. And at 87 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,820 that point, if source reduction, 88 00:03:37,820 --> 00:03:40,560 uh, seems to be problematic, 89 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,960 then we will start putting BTI, 90 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,400 which is a pesticide that we 91 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,500 put in the water is a bacteria 92 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:49,000 that is very specific to the 93 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,280 mosquito, and it targets the 94 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,400 mosquitoes in the water. Um, 95 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,700 when you target mosquitoes in 96 00:03:55,700 --> 00:03:57,780 the water and you reduce the 97 00:03:57,780 --> 00:04:00,240 population, then the amount of 98 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,720 adult mosquitoes that will be 99 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,680 able to, uh, emerge from water 100 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,680 and actually be, uh, flying 101 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,160 mosquitoes, uh, would be reduced 102 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,820 as well. And the third control, 103 00:04:11,820 --> 00:04:15,300 uh, level is spraying, and that 104 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:17,100 stage only happens when we 105 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:19,100 reach, uh, risk level five, 106 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,440 which is the highest of all the 107 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,380 risk levels that we have. It 108 00:04:23,380 --> 00:04:25,340 requires the approval by 109 00:04:25,340 --> 00:04:27,600 council by resolution. So it's 110 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,820 not an automatic steps that we 111 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:31,820 take to make sure that the 112 00:04:31,820 --> 00:04:33,720 mosquitoes don't fall into it. 113 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,220 Uh, there are a lot of 114 00:04:35,220 --> 00:04:37,920 considerations that staff will 115 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,460 take, uh, when we recommend 116 00:04:40,460 --> 00:04:42,460 spraying, not only, uh, the 117 00:04:42,460 --> 00:04:44,460 human cases that we are, uh, 118 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:47,400 experiences, but also aware in 119 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,460 the mosquito, uh, season we are 120 00:04:49,460 --> 00:04:54,300 and so on. Um, last year, we 121 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:56,900 change the pesticide that we 122 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:58,780 use. In the past, we have used 123 00:04:58,780 --> 00:05:01,840 the pesticide to contain in the 124 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,780 MSRP itself. Uh, so last year, 125 00:05:04,780 --> 00:05:08,760 we moved to Marist 3.0, and we 126 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,860 are proposing to continue the 127 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:14,020 use of that, uh, pesticide and, 128 00:05:14,020 --> 00:05:16,060 uh, staff has updated the map. 129 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:18,040 I'm sorry, the plan to reflect 130 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,860 that. Uh, it's also important 131 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:25,240 to, to highlight that staff 132 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,840 have made all the changes 133 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:28,940 that they need to make more on 134 00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:30,980 the, uh, introduction part of, 135 00:05:30,980 --> 00:05:32,980 of the document just to update 136 00:05:32,980 --> 00:05:34,980 the information with new 137 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:36,980 citations, new information that 138 00:05:36,980 --> 00:05:39,980 is available through, uh, 139 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:43,980 research paper and such. So 140 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:46,000 Marist, uh, just to go a little 141 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 bit into what Marist is, uh, it 142 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,000 is actually the first, um, 143 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 organic pesticide that obtains 144 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 the NOP, which is the National 145 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Organic Program Standards, and 146 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,000 also to the, um, it is OMRI, 147 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 which is the Organic Materials 148 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,020 Review Institute. So it is the 149 00:06:07,020 --> 00:06:09,020 first one and the last and, and 150 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:11,020 the, and the only at this point 151 00:06:11,020 --> 00:06:13,020 who actually have, uh, be able 152 00:06:13,020 --> 00:06:16,020 to obtain those credentials. 153 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:19,020 Um, it is formulated by 154 00:06:19,020 --> 00:06:21,020 pyrethrin, which is, uh, comes 155 00:06:21,020 --> 00:06:23,020 straight from, uh, flowers and 156 00:06:23,020 --> 00:06:25,040 doesn't control and doesn't 157 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,040 contain any petroleum distillates. 158 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,040 So, um, that's, that's the big, 159 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,040 um, characteristic of Marist. 160 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Um, staff is recommending, uh, 161 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,040 the changes to the mosquito 162 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,040 surveillance response plan. We 163 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,060 are, uh, planning to go as a 164 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:47,060 work session, uh, to bring this 165 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:48,060 as a work session item to 166 00:06:48,060 --> 00:06:51,060 council, uh, in, in few weeks. 167 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:54,060 We are also doing a survey among 168 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:57,060 other cities to see how, uh, how 169 00:06:57,060 --> 00:06:59,060 common is the use of Marist, uh, 170 00:06:59,060 --> 00:07:01,060 throughout the Metroplex and 171 00:07:01,060 --> 00:07:03,080 provide that information to you 172 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,080 when we, um, when we have the 173 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,080 work session. And at this point, 174 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,080 um, I stand for any questions. 175 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,080 Um, 176 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,080 you're going to take the slide 177 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,080 down. 178 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Uh, yes. 179 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,080 My only question is, I'm trying 180 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,080 to remember about what time we 181 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,080 hit, uh, mosquito level one, uh, 182 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,080 last year. I'm trying to 183 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,080 remember amid all the COVID 184 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,080 stuff, um, what level we got to 185 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,080 last year and about what time of 186 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,080 the calendar year we hit it. 187 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,080 Uh, last year, we usually start 188 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,080 at level two, level one of the 189 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,080 plan is if we go by, uh, we 190 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,080 know, uh, was not virus activity 191 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,080 whatsoever for a couple of years. 192 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,080 And we usually start at level 193 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,080 two. So last year we started at 194 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,080 level two and then we reached, 195 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,080 um, the, the peak, I would say 196 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,080 probably if memory serves me 197 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,080 well, uh, sometime in October, 198 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,080 September. And that's when we 199 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,080 have the three human cases, uh, 200 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,080 two of them were unfortunately, 201 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,080 uh, were deceased and all of the 202 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,080 three versions of the, uh, the 203 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,080 forms of the West Nile virus, 204 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,080 uh, they were the, um, the one 205 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,080 that affects the brain. 206 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,080 Okay. So we just kind of live at 207 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,080 level two, knowing it's in our 208 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,080 area, it's active in our mosquito 209 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,080 population when they get going in 210 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,080 the summertime. And, um, but 211 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,080 presumably if those folks that, 212 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,080 that we know had it last year 213 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,080 passed away, then the measures 214 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,080 that we take to control the 215 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,080 mosquito population are, uh, 216 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,080 helping to keep people from 217 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,080 getting sick, probably saving 218 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,080 lives. 219 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Correct. And again, the, the, 220 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,080 the big emphasis is the source 221 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,080 reduction, which is something 222 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,080 that not only the city, uh, is 223 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,080 actively doing through putting 224 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,080 BTI in drainage channels and so 225 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,080 on and in parks and, and so 226 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,080 forth, but also the population, 227 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,080 the residents, the, uh, business 228 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,080 owner, the property owners that 229 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,080 have a big role into it. 230 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,080 Uh, it is a joint effort because, 231 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,080 uh, unfortunately we cannot get 232 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,080 into private property to treat 233 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,080 those areas. So we, uh, try to 234 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,080 educate and to make BTI 235 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,080 available for free to the 236 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,080 residents. So any, in any way 237 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,080 that we can partner up with the, 238 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,080 with the, uh, community members, 239 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,080 uh, is the best way to go. 240 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,080 Thanks. 241 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,080 I have a couple of questions. 242 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,080 Um, first of all, I now 243 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,080 understand better from the 244 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,080 presentation that the move, or 245 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,080 correct me if I'm wrong, the 246 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,080 move from Duet to Maris is 247 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,080 because it's the only one with 248 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,080 the organic credentials? 249 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,080 The council had a 250 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,080 preference last year or have 251 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,080 expressed preference to use 252 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,080 organic pesticide, uh, to be 253 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,080 aligned with the IPM that was 254 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,080 put together by, by, um, the 255 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,080 Parks Department managing, uh, 256 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,080 city property. Just keep in 257 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,080 mind, the MSRP is outside the, 258 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,080 uh, IPM because we are treating 259 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,080 right of way and things of that 260 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,080 nature, which is a little bit 261 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,080 different from actually managing, 262 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,080 uh, city property per se. 263 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,080 Okay. So it has its own 264 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,080 characteristics. So, uh, based 265 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,080 on that preference that council 266 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,080 have shared with us, um, we 267 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,080 moved into Maris. Just keep in 268 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,080 mind, we haven't sprayed for 269 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,080 three years before the 2020. 270 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,080 Okay. And Maris became NOPs, 271 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,080 uh, certified and only listed 272 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,080 in the past four years. So this 273 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,080 is a fairly recent, uh, um, 274 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,080 pesticide that is available to 275 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,080 the market. Uh, one of the 276 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,080 some of the languages that I 277 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,080 included is because I'm 278 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,080 expecting for more organic 279 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,080 products to become available 280 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,080 through other, uh, manufacturers. 281 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,080 Uh, the, the statement currently 282 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,080 state that we will continue to 283 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,080 use Maris or any organic 284 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,080 certified pesticide that become 285 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,080 available because, uh, at this 286 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,080 point, we, our selection is very 287 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,080 limited. 288 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,080 Yeah. Well, you know, to the 289 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,080 extent that all this body does 290 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,080 is kind of help you prepare for 291 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,080 going to council. Uh, I would 292 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,080 say that, that, that would be a 293 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,080 good perspective to share that 294 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,080 you think there are other 295 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,080 organic, uh, uh, alternatives, 296 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,080 you know, uh, coming down the 297 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,080 line. Uh, cause, uh, you know, 298 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,080 I just doing a very cursory, uh, 299 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,080 search, you know, I ran into the 300 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,080 statement that the pest that 301 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,080 Maris is toxic to aquatic 302 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,080 organisms. I mean, good for 303 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,080 people. That is the priority, 304 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,080 but toxic to aquatic organisms, 305 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,080 including fish and aquatic 306 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,080 invertebrates, and then runoff 307 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,080 from treated areas or depositions 308 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,080 of spray droplets, droplets into 309 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,080 a body of water, maybe hazardous 310 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,080 to fish and aquatic invertebrates. 311 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,080 So, uh, first of all, I'd be 312 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,080 curious if that, uh, is factual 313 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,080 to your understanding, if it's, 314 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,080 uh, kind of on your radar and 315 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,080 how do we mitigate? 316 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,080 Okay. 317 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,080 Oh, so, okay. I was, I'm 318 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,080 asking you now, like, is there- 319 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,080 Okay. I thought that you were 320 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,080 taking me to- 321 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,080 Well, cause I, I would have 322 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,080 asked you what alternatives are 323 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,080 there. Well, now I understand 324 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,080 or clearly that the framing is 325 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,080 we're looking for alternatives 326 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,080 that are organic, and we're 327 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,080 hoping to have more organic 328 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,080 alternatives in the future than 329 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,080 we're hoping and expecting, but 330 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,080 so this is the one we have, and 331 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,080 it's dangerous to fish and 332 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,080 aquatic invertebrates. So, uh, 333 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,080 if that's where we're focused, 334 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,080 first of all, it does kind of 335 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,080 make me wonder, like, uh, how, 336 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,080 how toxic is the inorganic one? 337 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,080 You know, is organic the highest 338 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,080 virtue of, if the, if the organic 339 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,080 one kills fish? Uh, you know, I 340 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,080 mean, it gives me a little pause. 341 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:36,080 Well, um, duet is, is, um, not 342 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,080 soluble in water, so what, it's 343 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,080 one of the, the benefits of duet, 344 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,080 the, the previous pesticide that 345 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,080 we had there for, uh, it would be 346 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,080 less, um, available to aquatic 347 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,080 insects itself, because remember, 348 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,080 what we are doing with duet, or 349 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,080 when we're doing the spraying, we 350 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,080 are not trying to kill the 351 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,080 mosquito in the water or the 352 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,080 larvae. At that point, we are 353 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,080 targeting the adults, the flying 354 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,080 mosquitoes. Okay. So part of the 355 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,080 answer is we, we target away from 356 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,080 the water, the mitigation. Yeah. 357 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,080 So you still have the runoff 358 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,080 issue. Yeah. So pretty much the, 359 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,080 the duet, it was, uh, it was not 360 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,080 soluble or is not soluble in 361 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,080 water. So that prevents being, 362 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,080 becoming available to aquatic 363 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,080 organisms. However, it is not 364 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,080 organic. Duet is not an organic 365 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,080 pesticide. So what are the 366 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,080 environmental badnesses associated 367 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,080 with duet versus the environmental 368 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,080 badnesses associated with Maris? 369 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,080 Well, they, yeah, they, they are 370 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,080 different. They, they are, they are 371 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,080 made different. You know, the, uh, 372 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,080 or the duet is a pyrethroid, which 373 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,080 is a synthetic, uh, molecule that 374 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,080 is meant to resemble the 375 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,080 pyrethrin, which is in Maris. 376 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,080 Okay. But it's not quite, it's not 377 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,080 the same thing. So it will have a 378 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,080 side effects in different, uh, 379 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,080 organism. Also keep in mind the, 380 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,080 how the pesticide is applied, the 381 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,080 time that is, uh, when it's applied 382 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,080 during the night hours, when, um, 383 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,080 most of residents are not exposed 384 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,080 to it. When, for example, there was 385 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,080 a concern about bee and beekeepers, 386 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,080 uh, when you spray and you do it 387 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,080 during the night hours, when the 388 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,080 beehive are not active and so on, 389 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,080 you try to manage those risks a 390 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,080 little bit better. Okay. Um, with 391 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,080 the Maris, we're still applying all 392 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,080 those, uh, additional steps on how 393 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,080 you apply the, um, the pesticide. 394 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,080 So, uh, if you are interested, I can 395 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,080 probably provide you a side-by-side 396 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,080 comparison between Duet and Maris 397 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,080 and see, you know, if that's something 398 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:03,080 that, uh, that concerns, uh, council 399 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,080 to, to take a step on that. I think so. 400 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,080 I mean, because if I can find this 401 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,080 concern so readily, others will too. 402 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,080 Uh, and, uh, I mean, I'd be curious 403 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,080 to know what just your, your opinion 404 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,080 rather than just wanting to serve the 405 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,080 express interest in using organics, 406 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,080 which, you know, I shared, understand 407 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,080 looking at it holistically, which do 408 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,080 you think is the least bad, most 409 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,080 effective, you know, optimal choice, uh, 410 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,080 for these level five situations? Well, 411 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,080 um, unfortunately it depends with what 412 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,080 we're dealing. Oh, sure. It always 413 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,080 depends. Okay. So, and I think that 414 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,080 Duet has its, uh, pros and have its 415 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:54,080 cons, the same as Maris, and, uh, we 416 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,080 try to have, um, a, as many resources 417 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,080 as, as our disposal just to, uh, you 418 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:07,080 know, try to, to, to navigate potential 419 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,080 scenarios, uh, when West Nile virus 420 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,080 become actually present in human 421 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:17,080 population. Um, just keep in mind that 422 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,080 what you will be doing is making a 423 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,080 decision on managing risk. Okay. And I'm 424 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:30,080 going to lose a very loose comparison. 425 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,080 Pesticides is very similar to, to the 426 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,080 use and antibiotics. Doctors, they don't 427 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,080 recommend the use on, uh, of antibiotic 428 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,080 very, uh, freely. You know, you have to 429 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,080 have certain conditions and the risk of 430 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,080 using some of the, uh, antibiotics, uh, 431 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,080 outnumbered the risk of actually letting 432 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,080 the infection progress. It is very 433 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,080 similar to pesticides. Okay. So why you 434 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,080 are, what you will be making is a call 435 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,080 about risk, managing that risk. Yeah. And 436 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,080 I'm comfortable with that. I just want 437 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,080 to weigh the two sets. Yeah. So I can 438 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,080 definitely bring you a side-by-side 439 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,080 comparison of do it versus, um, mayors 440 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,080 for you to make that and, and walk you 441 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,080 through what the risk are and what they 442 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,080 mean. Okay. That'd be very appropriate. 443 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,080 So I, I will make sure that I will 444 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,080 provide that during the work session 445 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:34,080 with council. Thank you. Um, uh, that, 446 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,080 that, that's sort of enough direction for 447 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,080 me because it, it kind of puts off 448 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,080 ultimately the decision, which would 449 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,080 ultimately be, I mean, we have an option 450 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,080 here of having a solid recommendation to 451 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,080 council that they can take or leave. Um, 452 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,080 but I would say my direction, sorry to 453 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,080 usually person chairing gives direction 454 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,080 last, but I'm halfway into the sense. Uh, 455 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,080 my direction would be not to give 456 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,080 direction, but to, um, make sure the 457 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,080 council has this side-by-side assessment 458 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,080 or yeah, assessment of the differential 459 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,080 risks. Um, but, uh, what, what's your 460 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,080 direction? I agree with that. I think 461 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,080 we'd be, I like the way that Deborah 462 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,080 framed that as management of risk and 463 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,080 mitigation of risk. Um, I think if we, if 464 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,080 we thought that organic just meant blanket 465 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,080 safe, that'd be kind of a naive way to 466 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,080 look. I mean, tigers and Ebola are 467 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,080 organic, right? It doesn't keep them from 468 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,080 killing you. So, um, I, I think a whole 469 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,080 holistic look at it in a staff has a 470 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,080 recommendation, you know, certainly bring 471 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,080 that forward as well, but giving council 472 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,080 the information to make that choice that 473 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,080 we don't, you know, blindly follow a 474 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,080 label without knowing all the information. 475 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,080 And it does say very much to me that you, 476 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,080 you don't view them as, uh, or you do view 477 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,080 them both as options. I mean, that it's 478 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,080 not like clearly one is very bad and 479 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,080 that's why I'm moving away from it. I'm 480 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,080 not hearing you say that. Is that, is that 481 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,080 fair? As I said, um, no product, no 482 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,080 pesticides, perfect, uh, council member 483 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,080 Maltzler. And so we, we try to be very 484 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,080 objective on what they are and what 485 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,080 they're good for and in what situations 486 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,080 they are appropriate. So, uh, it's a, it's 487 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,080 toxic. Well, I mean, this, it's a, it's a 488 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,080 thing you do when lives are at stake and 489 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,080 it comes at a, with risks. Well, and, and 490 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,080 to be honest with you, it, it, I think it, 491 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,080 it resonates with sections of residents 492 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,080 who are, have concerns about the use of 493 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,080 pesticide and because Amerus is recommended 494 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,080 to even be used around, around agricultural 495 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,080 fields and things like that. I think that 496 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,080 give, um, residents a, a level of peace of 497 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,080 mind. So that's also a component when you 498 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,080 are making a decision is, uh, you know, 499 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,080 what the residents wants and think is 500 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,080 more appropriate. So, uh, again, we will 501 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,080 provide those options to you side by 502 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,080 side in that way you can make a, a 503 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,080 consensus, uh, decision and, uh, 504 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,080 hopefully we, we can get this approved. 505 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Not to extend this too long, but, uh, 506 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,080 your, uh, analogy, you know, to, uh, 507 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,080 something like antibiotics is very 508 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,080 helpful where, I mean, ultimately in the 509 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,080 assessment of risk, it's, it's treat or 510 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,080 not also, right? Cause you're saying a 511 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,080 certain percentage of the population will 512 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,080 have adverse effects. Human population 513 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,080 will have adverse effects from the 514 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,080 treatment. And it's that, you know, how do 515 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,080 you compare that to the, the quantity 516 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,080 that, you know, the number of people who 517 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,080 will, uh, be sick or, or perish from not 518 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,080 treating. So the, I mean, the, the risk 519 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,080 calculation ultimately goes that far too. 520 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,080 Uh, okay. Thank you very much. I think 521 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,080 we've said about what we can at this point. 522 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,080 Any other, um, I provide a red line 523 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,080 version. I also summarize table of all 524 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,080 the changes. Would you like to see those 525 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,080 in any other way provided for, uh, full 526 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:23,080 counsel when we go to the work session? 527 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,080 I like the way that's presented. I think 528 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,080 a red line is helpful for those that 529 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,080 will get into the text. I think that's 530 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,080 helpful. Um, one of the things that's kind 531 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,080 of occurred to me, we probably, you know, 532 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,080 without overdoing it, we probably have a 533 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,080 particularly attentive public for public 534 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,080 health right now. And so this may be the 535 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,080 year that we, I know we do a great job of 536 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,080 publicizing in our PR, uh, our 537 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,080 communication staff does a great job. Uh, 538 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,080 talking about draining your standing 539 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,080 water and all that kind of stuff. But 540 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,080 maybe this is the year we really lean in, 541 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,080 uh, even more, um, getting kids building 542 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,080 bat houses to put in the backyard and, 543 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,080 um, sharing with their neighbors that 544 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,080 they're draining all their stuff, 545 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,080 whatever we can think of to really get it 546 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080 out there. If we're not hitting, uh, 547 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,080 fatalities until September or October, 548 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,080 that's a long time that we can be working 549 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,080 to control the population in ways that 550 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,080 don't require spraying. 551 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Now I love that impulse. I think that's 552 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,080 great. 553 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,080 Yeah, we, we have a, um, an outline, uh, 554 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,080 process for working with, uh, uh, public 555 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,080 communication affairs and us is a joint 556 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,080 effort where depending on the trigger, 557 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,080 the different fridge levels, we, we send 558 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080 out information. So, uh, it is, is 559 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080 definitely the plan is, is, is in place 560 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,080 and we can definitely look for 561 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,080 alternative way to reach out the community. 562 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Great. And I, I, you know, that would be 563 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,080 another suggestion would be to do a 564 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,080 little, a little, include a little show 565 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,080 and tell on the public communication side. 566 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,080 I'm going to go to council. 567 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,080 I think they would appreciate that. 568 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,080 Great. Thank you. Uh, if there's nothing 569 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,080 else, I'll close the item. 570 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,080 Very good. Moving on. Thank you very much. 571 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,080 And, uh, we're now going to item C 572 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,080 management reports, uh, the action items 573 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,080 matrix. 574 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,080 And you have the matrix in your backup 575 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,080 and if you have any questions, I can 576 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,080 help or Brian burner is on the phone as 577 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,080 well. 578 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,080 I have, well, go ahead or 10 anything. 579 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,080 Um, I, I guess my only real question is 580 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,080 the, on the status of the commercial food 581 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,080 diversion, it's pending solid waste 582 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,080 strategy. So that kind of begs the 583 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,080 question of, um, the solid waste 584 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,080 strategy. How are we doing with that? 585 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Kind of where are we in the timeline? 586 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,080 Um, because I know more than just that 587 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,080 one action item, uh, kind of hinge on 588 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,080 that strategy. 589 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,080 Uh, uh, uh, Mr. Chair, members of the 590 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,080 committee, uh, Brian burner, solid waste 591 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,080 director for the city of Denton, uh, 592 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,080 update you on the, the, uh, status of 593 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,080 the comprehensive solid waste management 594 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,080 strategy. In my opinion, it's going 595 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080 well. Uh, we have just finished last 596 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,080 Thursday, the think tank portion of the 597 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,080 public input for developing the strategy. 598 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080 And now the consultants are going back 599 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,080 in and taking into account all the rules 600 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,080 and regulations, the survey results, the 601 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,080 think tank results, trying to mesh them 602 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,080 in to put them in some sort of order 603 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,080 that we can go to consider. 604 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,080 Uh, over the next three or four months, 605 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,080 what will happen is between the Council 606 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,080 on the Environment, PUB, council, you'll 607 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,080 start seeing draft information put in so 608 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,080 we can have a final report back, uh, by 609 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,080 September of this year. Now granted that 610 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,080 pushes us real close to next year, but 611 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,080 what that allows us to do is start 612 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,080 putting into account sort of the low 613 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,080 hanging fruit in next fiscal year while 614 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,080 planning the larger, bigger rollouts. 615 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,080 Uh, there is a north central Texas 616 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,080 council government grant process that is 617 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,080 going to be opening here very shortly. 618 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,080 And what we're hoping to do is to 619 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,080 actually focus a little bit on, uh, 620 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,080 preparing for a commercial waste 621 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,080 diversion program, recognizing that is 622 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080 possibly one of those low hanging fruit 623 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,080 issues. Uh, identifying in the valley 624 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,080 areas, uh, where we have a large 625 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,080 concentration of, of food establishments, 626 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,080 trying to again go back in, determine 627 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,080 what kind of food we have, uh, working 628 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,080 closely with our wastewater group to 629 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,080 digest that material in the digesters 630 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,080 and then, uh, compost, uh, the remaining 631 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,080 material as a part of our beneficial 632 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,080 reuse program. So again, uh, minimal 633 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,080 infrastructure improvements using 634 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,080 existing staff, existing programs to 635 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,080 basically create a synergistic effect 636 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,080 to manage some of this commercial, uh, 637 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,080 food waste. Uh, based on the successes 638 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,080 of, of that information, if we, uh, we 639 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,080 could, uh, roll forward and, uh, uh, 640 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,080 blow it up into, to bigger implementation 641 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,080 across the city of Denton. Uh, and then, 642 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,080 uh, other programs, uh, as, as the, uh, 643 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,080 the, uh, uh, process rolls out. 644 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,080 Glad you asked that question, though. 645 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,080 Really interesting answer. I would 646 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080 argue that it's, uh, both low-hanging 647 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,080 fruit and vegetable peelings. 648 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,080 Anyway. Um, I think you're going to get 649 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,080 a lot of attention this year, right? 650 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,080 I, I agree. I agree. When, and, and 651 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080 hopefully, and that's a good thing, so. 652 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,080 Yeah, yeah. You know what else to do. 653 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Anything else, Pro Tem? 654 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,080 Um, I wanted to ask about an item that 655 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,080 I didn't see on the list. It may never 656 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,080 have been on the list, but I, I was, uh, 657 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,080 a while back, I separately asked by 658 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,080 Councilmember Briggs, uh, former 659 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,080 Councilmember Briggs, where we stood on 660 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,080 a request she had to assess changes to 661 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,080 wooded areas of less than five acres. 662 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,080 I, I suppose that, that's a trigger 663 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,080 because, um, I think we, for reasons 664 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,080 that are unclear to me, don't, uh, 665 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,080 designate environmentally sensitive 666 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,080 areas as such if they're less than five 667 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,080 acres. And I think she was looking for, 668 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,080 you know, sort of maybe how, uh, how 669 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,080 permissive that, uh, ruling has been in 670 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,080 terms of, you know, uh, actually creating 671 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,080 a lot of change, uh, and, uh, you know, 672 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080 just giving us a better idea of what's 673 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,080 at stake with that, with that, um, 674 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,080 marker. So it, uh, I would just, I would 675 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080 go ahead and ask to, uh, if there is a 676 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080 way to do that assessment and if so, if 677 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080 we could put that on the list. 678 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080 I can reach out to planning and see what 679 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080 they have. And Depper's group may have 680 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080 some information on that as well that we 681 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,080 can bring back. 682 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Thank you. And, uh, also, uh, just out of 683 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080 curiosity, I know we made the 684 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,080 appointments. I'm pretty sure we, we 685 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,080 voted on them. Uh, when does 686 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,080 sustainability, the sustainability 687 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,080 committee start their work? 688 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080 We are trying to find a date to have a 689 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,080 virtual meeting right now. So getting 690 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,080 everybody together and finding a two-hour 691 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,080 block for a virtual meeting in May is 692 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,080 proving a little bit difficult. So, um, 693 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,080 but I think we can get a regular schedule 694 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,080 starting in June. We may do a one-off 695 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,080 sometime in May and then plug in a 696 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,080 regular schedule in June. 697 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080 Somehow every other committee finds a 698 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,080 way to do it. I'm confident that you can. 699 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,080 I, I believe I can. 700 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,080 Okay. 701 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080 Uh, I don't have anything else. So with 702 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,080 that, are there any conc- I suppose these 703 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080 might have been, uh, that might have been a 704 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,080 concluding item. So I'm going to open 705 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,080 concluding items retroactively, recognize 706 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,080 the question I just asked, and ask if 707 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,080 there are any other concluding items. 708 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,080 I've got one. Um, could we get an email or 709 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,080 Friday report is just fine, I think, but 710 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,080 an IPM update? Um, I, I don't necessarily 711 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080 want to open up the whole conversation 712 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,080 again, but, uh, just an update on how 713 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,080 we're doing at DENIA. Um, I was out there 714 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,080 the other day and, uh, noticed quite a few 715 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,080 fire ant mounds. And that's one, that's 716 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,080 one particular, I guess I'm thinking 717 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,080 entomology today with the, with the 718 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,080 mosquitoes. That's one particular pest 719 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,080 I think we're going to have a lot of 720 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,080 trouble controlling with just the IPM in 721 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,080 the future. We might even think about a 722 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,080 carve out for fire ants and invasive and 723 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,080 pretty dangerous little bug. So, um, the 724 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,080 only thing I know that kills it is 725 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,080 orthine and nobody likes putting 726 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,080 orthine out in parks, but it's the only 727 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,080 thing I know that kills them. So just an 728 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,080 update on IPM, how we're doing, uh, how 729 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,080 we're, uh, how we're evaluating 730 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,080 ourselves and how it's working at DENIA 731 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,080 and where it might be going next. 732 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,080 All right. I'll work with Parks on that. 733 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Thanks. 734 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,080 Okay. There's nothing else. Um, we'll 735 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,080 conclude the meeting and, uh, I'll call 736 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,080 us adjourning at 940. Thanks everyone. 737 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,080 Thanks, sir. Thank you.