WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.100 Thank you very much. Thank you. 00:00:08.100 --> 00:00:09.800 Good morning and welcome to this 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:11.800 meeting of the mobility 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:13.840 committee. The city of Denton. 00:00:13.840 --> 00:00:15.900 Uh, we have quorum and I see 00:00:15.900 --> 00:00:16.500 Council member Armand Torres 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:17.080 present to some degree. 00:00:17.080 --> 00:00:20.880 Actually we're seeing a picture 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:23.780 of a cat. But I have it on, uh 00:00:23.780 --> 00:00:26.480 been advised that she is not a 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.960 cat. Hopefully there soon. I'm 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:34.960 sorry. We have audio. So we'll 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:39.760 go ahead and get started. Um 00:00:39.760 --> 00:00:41.200 with the first item for 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:42.440 individual consideration was 00:00:42.440 --> 00:00:44.340 which is considering approval 00:00:44.340 --> 00:00:45.900 of the minutes of March 17th. 00:00:45.900 --> 00:00:49.500 Entertain a motion. I move 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:52.040 approval. I move approval. 00:00:52.040 --> 00:00:54.520 John, I'll second. I'll second 00:00:54.520 --> 00:01:00.120 the motion. Uh officially moved 00:01:00.120 --> 00:01:00.720 and, uh, as member Ryan 00:01:00.720 --> 00:01:03.960 seconded all those in favor. 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:08.760 Hi. Hi. Hi. Okay. Minutes are 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:10.440 approved. We've got to be 00:01:10.440 --> 00:01:12.000 received report and hold the 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:13.400 discussion regarding City of 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:14.940 Denton Transportation slash 00:01:14.940 --> 00:01:17.140 Mobility Project status 00:01:17.140 --> 00:01:22.440 report. Mr Poulster here with 00:01:22.440 --> 00:01:32.360 us. Thank you, Mr Poulster. 00:01:32.360 --> 00:01:35.500 Just gonna just going to, uh, 00:01:35.500 --> 00:01:41.360 handle that item. Is that you, 00:01:41.360 --> 00:01:42.800 Becky? I'm actually served. 00:01:42.800 --> 00:01:44.700 Mr Poulster is supposed to be 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:45.800 online. He's not online yet, so 00:01:45.800 --> 00:01:47.840 we're going to check with him 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.940 and see where he is. Um and so 00:01:50.940 --> 00:01:52.620 has a scheduling conflict this 00:01:52.620 --> 00:01:54.340 morning, too. So I know they 00:01:54.340 --> 00:01:56.520 were asking to be on later 00:01:56.520 --> 00:01:59.320 today also. So give us a 00:01:59.320 --> 00:02:00.320 minute. Just letting me know 00:02:00.320 --> 00:02:01.920 that. Yeah. So why don't we go 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:03.880 ahead and, uh, and move to 00:02:03.880 --> 00:02:07.860 item D. So, uh, I don't know if 00:02:07.860 --> 00:02:10.260 we have to unopen that we're 00:02:10.260 --> 00:02:12.860 gonna sure we can move to item 00:02:12.860 --> 00:02:14.500 D and I actually see Mr Poulster 00:02:14.500 --> 00:02:16.440 walking up, so we will give him 00:02:16.440 --> 00:02:18.440 a couple of minutes and we're 00:02:18.440 --> 00:02:20.080 happy to move to item D if you 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.080 would like to myself and Daniel 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:23.780 Kramer, who were both going to 00:02:23.780 --> 00:02:25.140 be making those presentations 00:02:25.140 --> 00:02:27.280 are here today. So if we want 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.520 to take that item first, then 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:30.620 that's not a problem with me, 00:02:30.620 --> 00:02:31.980 sir. Yeah, let's go ahead and do 00:02:31.980 --> 00:02:32.960 that. So item D is staff 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.160 reports. Uh, one staff my 00:02:36.160 --> 00:02:37.220 random update regarding the 00:02:37.220 --> 00:02:40.760 senior planner, uh, also frame 00:02:40.760 --> 00:02:41.760 street, also ankle drive 00:02:41.760 --> 00:02:43.720 roundabout and identified items 00:02:43.720 --> 00:02:44.560 of interest for future 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:45.300 consideration. 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:50.160 Wonderful. Well, good morning. 00:02:50.160 --> 00:02:51.540 I just wanted to take the time 00:02:51.540 --> 00:02:53.240 this morning to give you an 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:56.500 update on the senior planner, 00:02:56.500 --> 00:02:58.240 bicycle, pedestrian and 88 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.280 coordinator position. We held 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:04.520 interviews on April 9th. We had 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.880 approximately 61 applications 00:03:06.880 --> 00:03:08.260 and that position was open 00:03:08.260 --> 00:03:10.120 until filled. So there's still 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:11.400 several applications that have 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.320 come in. And I will tell you 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:14.900 that we had four candidates 00:03:14.900 --> 00:03:17.500 that we interviewed. Um, we are 00:03:17.500 --> 00:03:19.200 having a second round of 00:03:19.200 --> 00:03:21.600 interviews on Friday morning, 00:03:21.600 --> 00:03:23.800 um, with the, uh, top two 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:25.700 individuals. And so we look 00:03:25.700 --> 00:03:27.340 forward to, uh, those 00:03:27.340 --> 00:03:29.180 interviews and, uh, hopefully 00:03:29.180 --> 00:03:30.540 soon we will be able to 00:03:30.540 --> 00:03:31.720 announce that we actually have 00:03:31.720 --> 00:03:33.380 a person to fill that position. 00:03:33.380 --> 00:03:35.740 So, um, we appreciate all the, 00:03:35.740 --> 00:03:37.880 um, you know, time and effort 00:03:37.880 --> 00:03:40.220 that staff is taking to make 00:03:40.220 --> 00:03:41.480 sure that we're looking at the 00:03:41.480 --> 00:03:42.920 right candidate. We do 00:03:42.920 --> 00:03:44.520 appreciate the committees and 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:45.520 commissions that were able to 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:47.120 participate as part of the 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:48.900 interviews. And so we're very 00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:50.400 much interested and excited 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.060 about hoping, um, through the 00:03:52.060 --> 00:03:53.860 candidate process that we find a 00:03:53.860 --> 00:03:54.900 candidate that's going to be 00:03:54.900 --> 00:03:56.640 able to be successful, um, in 00:03:56.640 --> 00:03:58.340 that position. So just wanted 00:03:58.340 --> 00:03:59.480 to take the time to make that 00:03:59.480 --> 00:04:02.680 update. Um, I'll add, I was 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:03.500 pleased to be able to 00:04:03.500 --> 00:04:05.540 participate in, uh, in some of 00:04:05.540 --> 00:04:07.480 those panels along with a 00:04:07.480 --> 00:04:09.320 member of the public, uh, Susie 00:04:09.320 --> 00:04:11.220 Groomer. Uh, and I was very 00:04:11.220 --> 00:04:12.180 impressed with the candidate 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:14.120 pool in total. I think the 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:17.120 hardest, um, of the three 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:18.960 pieces to get that you need to 00:04:18.960 --> 00:04:21.920 get, you know, seems to be the 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.020 ADA. And I, um, I'm imagining 00:04:25.020 --> 00:04:28.260 that there'd be a lot of, uh, 00:04:28.260 --> 00:04:29.200 further training and 00:04:29.200 --> 00:04:31.140 reinforcement in that area, 00:04:31.140 --> 00:04:33.840 whoever gets the job to share 00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:36.940 that view. Absolutely. I think 00:04:36.940 --> 00:04:38.140 that they're going to have big 00:04:38.140 --> 00:04:39.180 shoes to fill, but we're 00:04:39.180 --> 00:04:40.720 definitely excited about 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.880 getting someone on our team, um, 00:04:42.880 --> 00:04:44.980 to move forward. And so, um, 00:04:44.980 --> 00:04:46.360 like I said, thank you so much 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:47.880 for Councilmember Meltzer, you 00:04:47.880 --> 00:04:48.920 being a part of the interview 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:50.320 panel, we do appreciate it very 00:04:50.320 --> 00:04:53.200 much. So, um, with that, I'm 00:04:53.200 --> 00:04:54.220 going to move on to the next 00:04:54.220 --> 00:04:56.060 item, which is the Frame Street. 00:04:56.060 --> 00:04:57.220 Oh, I'm sorry, Councilmember 00:04:57.220 --> 00:04:58.200 Amateur. How can I help you, 00:04:58.200 --> 00:05:00.460 ma'am? So sorry, I looked down. 00:05:00.460 --> 00:05:03.600 Go ahead. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just a 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.480 question, uh, for, for staff or 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:07.680 for Councilmember Meltzer, 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:11.080 since you, uh, attended, uh, 00:05:11.080 --> 00:05:12.680 attended that meeting and thank 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.880 you for attending. Um, so is it, 00:05:16.880 --> 00:05:20.660 uh, your sense that, uh, the, 00:05:20.660 --> 00:05:22.660 the specialization of the 00:05:22.660 --> 00:05:27.120 finalists is, uh, more along 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.300 the, uh, bike and pedestrian 00:05:29.300 --> 00:05:31.600 coordinator side of the, uh, 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.060 job description, um, and a 00:05:34.060 --> 00:05:38.240 little weaker in the ADA area 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.680 with that. That's, that's, 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.240 that's my impression. Uh, it 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.620 wasn't like 100, 100, zero, but 00:05:45.620 --> 00:05:48.120 they're definitely, uh, I'd 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.080 say, you know, have particularly 00:05:50.080 --> 00:05:53.460 strong straight, strong, uh, 00:05:53.460 --> 00:05:54.920 noticeable strengths in the, in 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:56.760 the bike and pedestrian area 00:05:56.760 --> 00:05:58.600 across, across the board, uh, 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.100 with, with, uh, varying degrees 00:06:01.100 --> 00:06:04.000 of ADA expertise. Okay. And, 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.360 and thank you. And I would, uh, 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:08.900 you know, hope that, uh, uh, we 00:06:08.900 --> 00:06:10.480 choose the person or that the 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.680 person gets chosen, um, who has 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.840 the most, uh, ADA experience, 00:06:16.840 --> 00:06:19.920 assuming that, uh, they're all 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:21.720 equally qualified as far as bike 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:22.880 and pedestrians, bike and 00:06:22.880 --> 00:06:25.380 pedestrian side goes, I would 00:06:25.380 --> 00:06:28.220 just, uh, advise for, for what 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:31.020 it's worth, um, for what my, my 00:06:31.020 --> 00:06:34.600 opinion is worth, uh, that, um, 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.000 if the strongest candidate, uh, 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.000 is just simply much better with, 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.080 uh, uh, much more experience on 00:06:43.080 --> 00:06:45.800 the, um, bike and pedestrian 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:47.280 coordinator side than the ADA 00:06:47.280 --> 00:06:49.380 side, then I would say, you 00:06:49.380 --> 00:06:50.840 know, go for that person and, 00:06:50.840 --> 00:06:51.740 and then make the ADA 00:06:51.740 --> 00:06:54.120 coordinator a separate position. 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:54.980 I know that's something that 00:06:54.980 --> 00:06:56.060 would, that's brand new would 00:06:56.060 --> 00:06:57.060 have to come before council. 00:06:57.060 --> 00:06:57.860 That's not the job is 00:06:57.860 --> 00:07:00.620 advertised. Um, but you know, I, 00:07:00.620 --> 00:07:03.360 I want to get, uh, the best bike 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:04.560 and pedestrian coordinator we 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:05.860 can for the city of Denton and 00:07:05.860 --> 00:07:07.840 the best ADA coordinator. And if 00:07:07.840 --> 00:07:09.260 they don't coexist in the same 00:07:09.260 --> 00:07:11.640 person, I'm fine with that. 00:07:11.640 --> 00:07:13.040 Then I would want to make those 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.580 separate, uh, separate 00:07:15.580 --> 00:07:17.780 positions that that's just, 00:07:17.780 --> 00:07:18.780 that's just my two cents. 00:07:18.780 --> 00:07:21.480 Thank you very, thank you very 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:22.780 much, ma'am. I appreciate the 00:07:22.780 --> 00:07:24.380 feedback. Ultimately, we're 00:07:24.380 --> 00:07:26.080 absolutely interested in finding 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:27.080 the best candidate for the 00:07:27.080 --> 00:07:28.920 position and, um, you know, 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:30.460 hoping that we're successful. 00:07:30.460 --> 00:07:32.420 Um, if for some reason that 00:07:32.420 --> 00:07:33.480 based on the second round of 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:34.620 interviews, we don't feel like 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:35.860 that we are going to be 00:07:35.860 --> 00:07:37.120 successful, then we will be 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.260 looking at, uh, reposting that 00:07:39.260 --> 00:07:41.400 position. So I do appreciate the 00:07:41.400 --> 00:07:43.360 comments and feedback. So I 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:44.300 look forward to hopefully 00:07:44.300 --> 00:07:45.400 bringing you back additional 00:07:45.400 --> 00:07:46.900 information in the near future. 00:07:46.900 --> 00:07:50.780 Thank you. So the next item I'm 00:07:50.780 --> 00:07:52.480 going to bring to you is the 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:54.220 frame street closure. Um, I'd 00:07:54.220 --> 00:07:56.480 like to mention, um, that we are 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:57.920 going to be bringing this item 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.260 back to the traffic safety 00:08:00.260 --> 00:08:03.060 commission in May. Um, and they 00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:04.720 have specifically asked for more 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.820 details in regards to the needs 00:08:07.820 --> 00:08:09.920 around the specific project for 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:11.560 the Denton police headquarters 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.940 facility. And so I am going to 00:08:13.940 --> 00:08:16.040 have additional folks, um, be 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:17.640 present and help present some of 00:08:17.640 --> 00:08:19.740 that information. My purpose of 00:08:19.740 --> 00:08:21.500 bringing this item to you today 00:08:21.500 --> 00:08:23.040 is just so you can understand 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:24.380 what's going on. And it's really 00:08:24.380 --> 00:08:25.540 more from an informational 00:08:25.540 --> 00:08:27.180 purpose. It has no action item. 00:08:27.180 --> 00:08:29.540 It's just a, um, a process that 00:08:29.540 --> 00:08:30.820 we're going to be going through, 00:08:30.820 --> 00:08:34.060 um, to close a roadway, but, um, 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.320 obtain the right of way, um, 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.720 which will be explained here in a, 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:39.660 so I'm going to go ahead and 00:08:39.660 --> 00:08:42.860 start with that, uh, presentation 00:08:42.860 --> 00:08:46.740 and I'm going to share my screen 00:08:46.740 --> 00:08:55.680 and let's see. 00:08:55.680 --> 00:09:02.040 So just a little bit of background 00:09:02.040 --> 00:09:04.620 on the frame street closure. Um, 00:09:04.620 --> 00:09:06.520 so the closure was requested from 00:09:06.520 --> 00:09:08.760 the Denton police head headquarters, 00:09:08.760 --> 00:09:10.720 um, construction project. I know 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:11.860 you're all aware, but that 00:09:11.860 --> 00:09:14.700 construction project began, uh, 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:18.260 early January of 2021. Um, it's 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:19.900 anticipated to be substantially 00:09:19.900 --> 00:09:23.000 complete in June of 2022. This 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.640 closure was requested by the 00:09:24.640 --> 00:09:26.440 Denton police department, um, for 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:28.280 security reasons, as you can 00:09:28.280 --> 00:09:30.840 imagine, um, currently right now, 00:09:30.880 --> 00:09:33.520 um, there's not a secure location. 00:09:33.520 --> 00:09:35.280 Um, as far as a fenced in 00:09:35.280 --> 00:09:37.820 location where, um, if they need 00:09:37.820 --> 00:09:40.220 to bring individuals into their 00:09:40.220 --> 00:09:43.120 facility, um, from their police 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:44.460 cars, that they have a secure 00:09:44.460 --> 00:09:46.200 location. So this is really a 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.220 request by the police department 00:09:48.220 --> 00:09:49.700 and that's something that will be 00:09:49.700 --> 00:09:51.860 expanded on at the next traffic 00:09:51.860 --> 00:09:54.140 safety commission meeting, um, in, 00:09:54.140 --> 00:09:55.900 in greater detail by, uh, the 00:09:55.900 --> 00:09:57.000 individuals from our police 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.340 department. Um, and following the 00:09:59.340 --> 00:10:00.980 feedback from the traffic safety 00:10:00.980 --> 00:10:03.140 commission, um, which, like I 00:10:03.140 --> 00:10:05.480 mentioned, we presented on Monday, 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.020 but we will be bringing this back 00:10:07.020 --> 00:10:10.380 on May 17th. Um, and then also 00:10:10.380 --> 00:10:12.520 just the awareness of the process 00:10:12.520 --> 00:10:14.320 from you. And we are going to be 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.020 coordinating with the adjacent 00:10:16.020 --> 00:10:17.800 residents and business owners 00:10:17.800 --> 00:10:18.820 through our public affairs 00:10:18.820 --> 00:10:20.420 department. And we've been 00:10:20.420 --> 00:10:21.560 currently coordinating with the 00:10:21.560 --> 00:10:22.920 solids waste department, as you 00:10:22.920 --> 00:10:24.640 can mention, and it'll be better 00:10:24.640 --> 00:10:25.800 explained once you can actually 00:10:25.800 --> 00:10:29.160 see the picture. Um, so one of 00:10:29.160 --> 00:10:31.140 the things that you'll see 00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:35.340 specifically is, um, the, uh, 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:36.980 solid waste perspective of the 00:10:36.980 --> 00:10:38.740 dumpsters and where those things 00:10:38.740 --> 00:10:40.920 are actually located so that, uh, 00:10:40.920 --> 00:10:43.020 the, uh, the solid waste can get 00:10:43.020 --> 00:10:44.880 over there and, uh, take the 00:10:44.880 --> 00:10:46.680 trash from that facility. And 00:10:46.680 --> 00:10:47.420 we're going to be working 00:10:47.420 --> 00:10:48.220 through that. There are some 00:10:48.220 --> 00:10:49.460 interim steps that already have 00:10:49.460 --> 00:10:51.260 happened for the actual dumpster 00:10:51.260 --> 00:10:52.660 locations and then obviously the 00:10:52.660 --> 00:10:54.600 permanent locations. Um, and then 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:55.860 signage will be installed to 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:57.620 notify motorists about changes to 00:10:57.620 --> 00:10:58.700 traffic patterns. And then 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:00.700 obviously updating the city's 00:11:00.700 --> 00:11:04.380 GIS map system. So just to give 00:11:04.380 --> 00:11:06.380 you an overall picture, um, 00:11:06.380 --> 00:11:08.240 basically kind of the yellow 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.340 highlighted area is the area of 00:11:10.340 --> 00:11:12.280 which would be completely, um, 00:11:12.280 --> 00:11:14.840 uh, fenced in, um, around this 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:17.120 area, but the overall Denton PD, 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:18.380 uh, obviously there won't be 00:11:18.380 --> 00:11:19.520 fencing in the front, but the 00:11:19.520 --> 00:11:22.080 overall Denton PD facility is, 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:23.880 uh, really kind of this, uh, 00:11:23.880 --> 00:11:26.960 yellow highlighted area. Um, the 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:28.860 proposed closures, this is frame 00:11:28.860 --> 00:11:30.700 street that runs north and south. 00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:32.100 And this actually, believe it or 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:33.560 not, is Oak street that runs 00:11:33.560 --> 00:11:35.860 east or west. And so the overall 00:11:35.860 --> 00:11:37.300 closure would be where you see 00:11:37.300 --> 00:11:39.400 the red line here and the red 00:11:39.400 --> 00:11:41.940 line here, which would allow for 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:44.300 a fence here that would open 00:11:44.300 --> 00:11:46.520 when the PD were to come in, um, 00:11:46.520 --> 00:11:47.580 they could park in this 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:49.380 vicinity. And I'll show you on 00:11:49.380 --> 00:11:50.620 the next picture, which is a 00:11:50.620 --> 00:11:52.320 graphical representation of what 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.320 the final, uh, look is of the 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.520 Denton PD facility. Um, but just 00:11:56.520 --> 00:11:57.420 wanted to kind of show you, 00:11:57.420 --> 00:11:58.460 cause the next picture is going 00:11:58.460 --> 00:12:00.060 to get a little bit busier. So, 00:12:00.060 --> 00:12:02.900 um, what you can see from this 00:12:02.900 --> 00:12:04.500 overall picture that I was 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:07.100 provided from the Denton police 00:12:07.100 --> 00:12:09.000 facility, um, this existing 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.600 building, um, is obviously under 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.640 renovation. Um, this is 00:12:13.640 --> 00:12:15.400 exposition street where there 00:12:15.400 --> 00:12:17.640 are parking spaces, um, and 00:12:17.640 --> 00:12:19.080 there will be a security 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.180 perimeter fence that's located, 00:12:21.180 --> 00:12:23.520 um, in this area. There'll be a 00:12:23.520 --> 00:12:25.880 security entrance in this 00:12:25.880 --> 00:12:27.360 location and the purpose of 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.220 closing this roadway. You can 00:12:29.220 --> 00:12:30.960 see the security entrance here 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.620 and the security entrance here. 00:12:32.620 --> 00:12:35.120 So that the Denton police 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.800 facility, um, would be an access 00:12:37.800 --> 00:12:39.300 for all of the police department 00:12:39.300 --> 00:12:41.160 to be able to come in, park 00:12:41.160 --> 00:12:42.640 either in this secure parking 00:12:42.640 --> 00:12:44.840 space or in this secure police 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.040 parking space. Um, you can see 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:48.580 this perimeter fence. It's kind 00:12:48.580 --> 00:12:50.100 of the line that you see with 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:51.040 the straight line with the 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:53.080 circles. It would go around the 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:54.580 facility. There'd also be 00:12:54.580 --> 00:12:55.680 another entrance in this 00:12:55.680 --> 00:12:58.820 location, um, putting the fence 00:12:58.820 --> 00:13:00.980 and the actual entrance in this 00:13:00.980 --> 00:13:02.320 location along with this 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.560 location still allows access 00:13:04.560 --> 00:13:06.300 for this individual along with 00:13:06.300 --> 00:13:08.600 these individuals, um, also 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:10.100 with this individual right here. 00:13:10.100 --> 00:13:11.200 So that was something that was 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:12.500 very important to us to make 00:13:12.500 --> 00:13:13.660 sure that everyone still had 00:13:13.660 --> 00:13:16.340 access to their properties. Um, 00:13:16.340 --> 00:13:18.300 you also will see that they're 00:13:18.300 --> 00:13:19.980 going to be some future dumpsters 00:13:19.980 --> 00:13:21.840 in some of these locations. I'd 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:23.440 like to point out that the jail 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:25.120 entrance would actually be back 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.520 in this area. Um, and so, you 00:13:28.520 --> 00:13:30.020 know, the new Sally port entry 00:13:30.020 --> 00:13:32.020 is, is, uh, in this area. And 00:13:32.020 --> 00:13:33.620 then the secure police only 00:13:33.620 --> 00:13:35.920 entry would be in this area. So 00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:37.900 the fence would allow for the 00:13:37.900 --> 00:13:39.600 folks to drive in, park in the 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.100 location. Um, and this would 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:44.100 not be an open access to the 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:49.380 public. So really our next steps 00:13:49.380 --> 00:13:50.840 were to address any comments 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:52.140 that were received and we 00:13:52.140 --> 00:13:53.400 received quite a few comments 00:13:53.400 --> 00:13:54.680 from traffic safety commission 00:13:54.680 --> 00:13:56.280 just from the standpoint that 00:13:56.280 --> 00:13:58.120 they'd like more information 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:59.680 specifically related to the 00:13:59.680 --> 00:14:01.320 needs of the police department. 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.260 They also wanted to find out 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:05.180 more information in regards to, 00:14:05.180 --> 00:14:07.060 um, several comments were made 00:14:07.060 --> 00:14:09.220 specifically related to this is 00:14:09.220 --> 00:14:10.460 an area where currently 00:14:10.460 --> 00:14:12.020 pedestrians are walking from 00:14:12.020 --> 00:14:14.060 their point of view. And also 00:14:14.060 --> 00:14:15.700 according to some strata heat 00:14:15.700 --> 00:14:17.260 maps, this is where bicyclists 00:14:17.260 --> 00:14:19.260 are actually, um, Traversing 00:14:19.260 --> 00:14:22.000 through. Um, and so we're going 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:23.600 to be looking into those, uh, 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.080 questions and comments that came 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.420 up along with the fact that they 00:14:27.420 --> 00:14:28.780 wanted to make sure that folks 00:14:28.780 --> 00:14:31.480 had access to cross McKinney 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:33.320 street appropriately. It's our 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:34.480 understanding from the traffic 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.520 safety commission meeting that 00:14:36.520 --> 00:14:38.680 folks riding a bicycle are, um, 00:14:38.680 --> 00:14:42.160 traversing from, um, the 00:14:42.160 --> 00:14:43.860 southern side of frame street 00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:45.400 onto the northern side of frame 00:14:45.400 --> 00:14:47.920 street or vice versa. Um, and so 00:14:47.920 --> 00:14:49.160 we want to make sure that folks 00:14:49.160 --> 00:14:52.340 have access. Um, then the life 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:54.500 that is actually a secured, um, 00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:57.140 location, um, is not located 00:14:57.140 --> 00:14:58.740 until wood street, but we are 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:00.200 looking at those pedestrian and 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:01.720 mobility perspectives, not only 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:03.480 from a vehicular perspective, 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.220 but also from a bicycle and 00:15:05.220 --> 00:15:06.480 pedestrian. And so those are the 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:07.680 questions that comments that 00:15:07.680 --> 00:15:09.020 came up during traffic safety 00:15:09.020 --> 00:15:10.620 commission that are important to 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:12.060 us to be able to address so that 00:15:12.060 --> 00:15:14.360 we can bring that item back. Um, 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:15.520 the ordinance that would be 00:15:15.520 --> 00:15:17.600 processed, which will later come 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:18.700 to city council, it was 00:15:18.700 --> 00:15:20.760 anticipated to come on the 27th. 00:15:20.760 --> 00:15:22.400 Um, but due to the comments that 00:15:22.400 --> 00:15:23.660 came up through traffic safety 00:15:23.660 --> 00:15:24.840 commission, we will not be 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.040 bringing that back to council 00:15:26.040 --> 00:15:27.980 until late May, um, because I 00:15:27.980 --> 00:15:29.000 want to make sure we walk 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:30.340 through the process of addressing 00:15:30.340 --> 00:15:31.540 all the current concerns and 00:15:31.540 --> 00:15:34.280 questions that came up, um, from 00:15:34.280 --> 00:15:35.520 that traffic safety commission 00:15:35.520 --> 00:15:37.020 meeting that I keep referencing. 00:15:37.020 --> 00:15:39.080 And so through that we will, uh, 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.120 make, uh, all of the, uh, 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.960 recommendations, uh, talk about 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:44.480 the capital projects that are in 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:45.960 the area. If there's any 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.220 additional safety, um, concerns 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.700 or any additional, uh, mobility, 00:15:50.700 --> 00:15:52.600 uh, comments, um, that we need 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.040 to address, we're going to do 00:15:54.040 --> 00:15:55.860 that, um, before coming back to 00:15:55.860 --> 00:15:57.160 that traffic safety commission 00:15:57.160 --> 00:15:59.600 meeting, um, which is the third, 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.680 uh, Monday of the month of May. 00:16:01.680 --> 00:16:05.140 So with that, I'm going to stop 00:16:05.140 --> 00:16:06.840 sharing and see if any of you 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.380 have any specific questions, 00:16:08.380 --> 00:16:09.420 really, like I mentioned, that 00:16:09.420 --> 00:16:10.840 was the informational item, just 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:12.260 so you can kind of understand, 00:16:12.260 --> 00:16:14.820 um, what staff has been asked to 00:16:14.820 --> 00:16:17.260 do, um, with that closure of the 00:16:17.260 --> 00:16:18.800 frame street, we're calling it, 00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:20.260 but it actually is frame and oak 00:16:20.260 --> 00:16:22.160 street. Um, and just to explain 00:16:22.160 --> 00:16:23.400 to you that through that traffic 00:16:23.400 --> 00:16:24.660 safety commission meeting, there 00:16:24.660 --> 00:16:26.060 were several questions that came 00:16:26.060 --> 00:16:27.600 up, not just from the vehicular 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:29.700 traffic movement, um, but also 00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:31.400 from the bicycle and pedestrian 00:16:31.400 --> 00:16:32.900 movement. And so we want to make 00:16:32.900 --> 00:16:34.400 sure we address those, bring 00:16:34.400 --> 00:16:35.980 those back to traffic safety. 00:16:35.980 --> 00:16:38.380 And then we're happy to also 00:16:38.380 --> 00:16:40.180 bring that same presentation as a 00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:42.380 staff update to you, um, at the 00:16:42.380 --> 00:16:44.220 next, uh, mobility committee 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:46.080 meeting also. So with that, I'll 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.120 pause and see if you have any 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.120 questions, questions, comments. 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:53.900 I'll kick in a couple while you 00:16:53.900 --> 00:16:57.900 think about it. Um, I, uh, uh, 00:16:57.900 --> 00:16:59.600 got some input that, uh, 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:00.600 resonates with what you heard 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:02.700 from the traffic safety, uh, 00:17:02.700 --> 00:17:04.540 committee about bike and 00:17:04.540 --> 00:17:06.740 pedestrian. And, uh, I'll leave 00:17:06.740 --> 00:17:08.380 you the question, you don't need 00:17:08.380 --> 00:17:09.440 to answer, but just a question 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.280 about whether there might be, uh, 00:17:12.280 --> 00:17:14.080 consideration of an extension 00:17:14.080 --> 00:17:16.980 in the future of the, of the 00:17:16.980 --> 00:17:20.560 rail trail, trail through that 00:17:20.560 --> 00:17:22.360 area and ultimately connecting 00:17:22.360 --> 00:17:24.420 to Quaker town park. And if so, 00:17:24.420 --> 00:17:26.620 and that seems to resonate with, 00:17:26.620 --> 00:17:27.700 you know, the feedback you were 00:17:27.700 --> 00:17:29.000 getting that there's kind of a 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:33.340 natural, uh, uh, draw to get to 00:17:33.340 --> 00:17:35.300 that route. If so, would that 00:17:35.300 --> 00:17:37.200 alter any of the plan? So again, 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:38.340 that's just a question to leave 00:17:38.340 --> 00:17:42.700 you with. And, um, uh, yeah, 00:17:42.740 --> 00:17:43.980 I'll, I'll leave it at that. 00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:46.880 There's an, that's it. Any, any, 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.740 any other questions or comments? 00:17:48.740 --> 00:17:52.280 Nope. We're good. Okay. Thanks. 00:17:52.280 --> 00:17:54.680 Uh, no problem. I appreciate 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:56.320 that so much. And so the last 00:17:56.320 --> 00:17:58.380 item we have for you today, um, 00:17:58.380 --> 00:17:59.520 is going to be presented by 00:17:59.520 --> 00:18:02.360 Daniel Kramer. Um, he is, uh, 00:18:02.360 --> 00:18:03.860 going to be talking about the 00:18:03.860 --> 00:18:05.660 Hinkle drive roundabout. This 00:18:05.660 --> 00:18:07.260 item will be coming to council 00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:09.460 on April 27th. And this is more 00:18:09.460 --> 00:18:11.700 of an informational presentation 00:18:11.700 --> 00:18:13.500 for you, um, specifically 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:15.100 related to the Hinkle drive 00:18:15.100 --> 00:18:16.000 roundabout and some of the 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.680 questions and concerns that have 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:20.320 been raised. And so we thought 00:18:20.320 --> 00:18:21.480 it would be important to bring 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:22.480 this to you so you could 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.980 understand, um, uh, the, the 00:18:24.980 --> 00:18:26.760 information that we have to date 00:18:26.760 --> 00:18:28.720 and, uh, the evaluation that has 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:31.360 been completed. So with that, I 00:18:31.360 --> 00:18:32.800 am going to make sure Danny's 00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:34.960 all set up and get everything 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:49.800 turned over to him. 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:26.220 Okay. Good morning. Apologize 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:30.280 for that. Let me pull up the 00:19:30.820 --> 00:19:52.260 presentation. Okay. So we are 00:19:52.260 --> 00:19:54.800 here to talk about the Hinkle 00:19:54.800 --> 00:19:56.400 roundabout, which is located at 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:57.640 the intersection of Hinkle and 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:00.520 Mimosa. Uh, this is a mini 00:20:00.520 --> 00:20:04.520 roundabout, um, and we're going 00:20:04.520 --> 00:20:05.620 to talk about some of the issues 00:20:05.620 --> 00:20:06.920 and the purpose of a roundabout 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:08.080 and a little bit of a project 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:09.280 background to start off with. 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:11.260 You know, a roundabout in 00:20:11.260 --> 00:20:14.120 general is used to, uh, slow 00:20:14.120 --> 00:20:16.200 down vehicular, uh, movement as 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:17.860 a traffic common device, but 00:20:17.860 --> 00:20:19.540 also still keep it moving, 00:20:19.540 --> 00:20:20.840 unlike a four way stop or a 00:20:20.840 --> 00:20:23.400 signalized intersection. It 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:25.140 also can reduce the accident 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.400 severity because you're only 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:27.940 looking one way when you're, uh, 00:20:27.940 --> 00:20:29.080 going through the intersection 00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:30.340 instead of having to check all 00:20:30.340 --> 00:20:32.780 directions, um, in a four way 00:20:32.780 --> 00:20:34.980 or intersection, uh, signalized 00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:37.820 intersection. Uh, it has some 00:20:37.820 --> 00:20:39.560 benefits with, uh, maintenance 00:20:39.560 --> 00:20:41.320 costs are actually reduced 00:20:41.320 --> 00:20:42.680 compared to a normal signalized 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.260 intersection. And as I stated 00:20:45.260 --> 00:20:46.860 before, it also makes sure that, 00:20:46.860 --> 00:20:48.720 uh, vehicles are constantly 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.020 moving through the intersection 00:20:50.020 --> 00:20:51.840 instead of where we look at with 00:20:51.840 --> 00:20:54.640 a, um, a full stop where you're 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:56.260 actually, vehicles are coming to 00:20:56.260 --> 00:20:57.540 complete stop and having to wait 00:20:57.540 --> 00:20:59.640 before they can proceed. Uh, 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.600 this project was actually an 00:21:01.600 --> 00:21:03.540 add-on to that, to Magnolia 00:21:03.540 --> 00:21:06.880 drainage, um, in early 2019 and 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.520 it was substantially completed 00:21:08.520 --> 00:21:10.880 in October of 2020 and we're 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:12.560 still continuing a few sidewalk 00:21:12.560 --> 00:21:13.960 improvements in the area that 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:15.620 will should be completed by May 00:21:15.620 --> 00:21:19.760 of 2021. Uh, we've had some, 00:21:19.760 --> 00:21:21.520 uh, concerns that have been 00:21:21.520 --> 00:21:22.700 brought to our attention about 00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:25.200 the roundabout. Um, those have 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:26.860 come in the form of two engaged 00:21:26.860 --> 00:21:29.680 dent and request, um, two requests 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:31.040 that were forwarded from, um, 00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:34.080 uh, council members and also two 00:21:34.080 --> 00:21:35.780 calls to the Denton Police 00:21:35.780 --> 00:21:38.020 Department, um, about some issues 00:21:38.020 --> 00:21:39.320 with the roundabout. Most of 00:21:39.320 --> 00:21:41.660 those have consisted of it being 00:21:41.660 --> 00:21:43.620 a little confusing. Um, a 00:21:43.620 --> 00:21:46.620 roundabout is not a standard set 00:21:46.620 --> 00:21:48.500 up here in Denton at the moment. 00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:50.220 We are getting more and having 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:53.160 more come into the area. Uh, but 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.540 it's, uh, something a little 00:21:54.540 --> 00:21:55.400 different that motorists are 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:56.860 having to get used to, uh, 00:21:56.860 --> 00:21:59.700 traversing. Also the emergency 00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:01.380 vehicles, since this being a 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:02.540 mini roundabout, the way it's 00:22:02.540 --> 00:22:05.000 designed is they are, they are 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:06.040 supposed to drive over the 00:22:06.040 --> 00:22:08.420 center, uh, curb to be able to 00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:09.740 traverse it. Larger vehicles, 00:22:09.740 --> 00:22:11.620 uh, fire trucks, ambulances, 00:22:11.620 --> 00:22:13.620 uh, solid waste vehicles and 00:22:13.620 --> 00:22:15.080 et cetera do drive around that. 00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:19.280 Um, one of those concerns that 00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:21.100 was also brought up was a 00:22:21.100 --> 00:22:24.120 visibility at night and staff 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.320 put a, um, hired a firm to go 00:22:27.320 --> 00:22:28.260 through and do a photometric 00:22:28.260 --> 00:22:30.640 study. And we did receive those 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:32.960 results at the end of March and 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:34.440 based on the results, the 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.640 Hinkle, on Hinkle, what they 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:38.180 recommended is adding some 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:39.380 extra reflective pavement 00:22:39.380 --> 00:22:41.280 markings on the median noses to 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:42.640 help make that so you can see 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:45.340 those, uh, easier at night. Uh, 00:22:45.340 --> 00:22:47.520 addition of some raised pavement 00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:50.480 markings in the area and also 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:52.620 upgrade the current lighting and 00:22:52.620 --> 00:22:54.160 add additional light poles in 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:55.820 the area, uh, to create more 00:22:55.820 --> 00:22:58.620 light on the circle itself. On 00:22:58.620 --> 00:23:00.800 Mimosa, what they did recommend 00:23:00.800 --> 00:23:03.640 is modifying the curb geometry. 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.060 Uh, there are some issues with, 00:23:06.060 --> 00:23:09.000 um, residents parking close to 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.200 the entrance of the roundabout. 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.680 So what that is, is extending 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:17.680 the, um, the road, uh, narrowing 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:19.220 a little bit farther down so 00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:21.580 that there's plenty of room for, 00:23:21.580 --> 00:23:23.820 um, motorists as they come up to 00:23:23.820 --> 00:23:24.880 be able to get in the full lane 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:26.020 and see where the roundabout is 00:23:26.020 --> 00:23:27.360 and see that, and also checking 00:23:27.360 --> 00:23:28.360 with the medians in the middle 00:23:28.360 --> 00:23:30.700 of the road, um, on Mimosa and 00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:31.800 Hinkle and making sure that 00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:33.100 they're not sticking too far out 00:23:33.100 --> 00:23:35.100 on the curves on that. Now, 00:23:35.100 --> 00:23:36.400 based off our estimates, we are 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.360 looking at around $22,000 to 00:23:38.360 --> 00:23:41.800 implement these changes. Um, the 00:23:41.800 --> 00:23:43.300 additional light poles and 00:23:43.300 --> 00:23:44.240 upgrade to current light 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.140 fixtures. There is a 00:23:47.140 --> 00:23:48.520 presentation which is coming to 00:23:48.520 --> 00:23:50.720 council on the 27th by DME, 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.220 which will cover the, uh, the 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:55.060 migratory birds and also the 00:23:55.060 --> 00:23:57.520 neighborhood lighting plan. So 00:23:57.520 --> 00:24:00.060 based off that recommendation is 00:24:00.060 --> 00:24:01.960 how we will look at additional 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:03.460 lighting and upgrading the 00:24:03.460 --> 00:24:04.560 current lighting fixtures in 00:24:04.560 --> 00:24:07.400 that area. Uh, it was also 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:09.040 brought up as a concern of 00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:11.100 asking about removal of the 00:24:11.100 --> 00:24:14.240 roundabout. So, uh, we want to 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:14.900 go through a few of the 00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:17.040 concerns on that. Um, one of 00:24:17.040 --> 00:24:18.680 those is if we do that, all the 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:20.180 vehicles will be required to 00:24:20.180 --> 00:24:22.240 stop at the intersection, which 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:23.920 is going to cause, could cause 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.180 some backup and some issues of 00:24:26.180 --> 00:24:26.980 flow there, unlike the 00:24:26.980 --> 00:24:28.560 roundabout, which keeps traffic 00:24:28.560 --> 00:24:31.260 constantly moving. Um, also, 00:24:31.260 --> 00:24:33.020 uh, stop signs are not always 00:24:33.020 --> 00:24:35.520 observed 100% of the time by 00:24:35.520 --> 00:24:37.600 all motorists. Uh, so there is 00:24:37.600 --> 00:24:40.740 issues with that and also on the 00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:42.960 right to proceed. Um, still 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.740 there are some issues with, um, 00:24:44.740 --> 00:24:46.440 citizens motorists not knowing 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.540 which way to go, um, at a four 00:24:49.540 --> 00:24:51.240 way stop when vehicles come to 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.520 the stop at the same time. Also, 00:24:53.520 --> 00:24:55.240 year to date, we've incurred 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.480 right at $137,000, uh, to 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.160 install the roundabout and the 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:01.220 improvements that we've made so 00:25:01.220 --> 00:25:03.820 far. Some of the benefits are 00:25:03.820 --> 00:25:05.860 it is a more of a typical 00:25:05.860 --> 00:25:07.660 intersection stop. So more 00:25:07.660 --> 00:25:09.020 people will be familiar with it 00:25:09.020 --> 00:25:10.460 and be able to run it more than 00:25:10.460 --> 00:25:13.760 a roundabout. Um, and also the 00:25:13.760 --> 00:25:15.260 striping, there is a reduced 00:25:15.260 --> 00:25:16.940 cost on striping and signage for 00:25:16.940 --> 00:25:18.700 that. Uh, based on our 00:25:18.700 --> 00:25:19.700 estimates, we are looking at 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:22.300 around $140,000 to remove the 00:25:22.300 --> 00:25:23.880 roundabout and replace it back 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.040 with a standard stopped 00:25:26.040 --> 00:25:29.740 intersection. Based off the 00:25:29.740 --> 00:25:31.180 information and what we've 00:25:31.180 --> 00:25:32.540 looked at, uh, staff does 00:25:32.540 --> 00:25:33.880 recommend maintaining the 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:35.920 existing roundabout and making 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.420 the upgrades recommended by the 00:25:37.420 --> 00:25:39.020 photometric study to improve 00:25:39.020 --> 00:25:41.820 the visibility. Um, as I stated, 00:25:41.820 --> 00:25:44.160 we will be working with DME, uh, 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:45.620 from the feedback and the 00:25:45.620 --> 00:25:46.800 council direction that's given 00:25:46.800 --> 00:25:48.900 on the 27th for the led 00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.540 lighting and migratory bird 00:25:50.540 --> 00:25:52.040 issues on the actual street 00:25:52.040 --> 00:25:54.640 light, um, implementation and 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:55.840 make sure we do not affect that 00:25:55.840 --> 00:25:58.700 from there. And with that, I 00:25:58.700 --> 00:26:01.320 will take down the presentation 00:26:01.320 --> 00:26:03.420 and if there's any comments, uh, 00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:04.320 we can go through there. 00:26:04.320 --> 00:26:08.860 Hey, questions, comments, 00:26:08.860 --> 00:26:09.820 council member Armitter. 00:26:09.820 --> 00:26:13.420 Uh, so, I mean, first I wanted 00:26:13.420 --> 00:26:14.760 to say thanks to staff for 00:26:14.760 --> 00:26:16.120 working through these problems. 00:26:16.120 --> 00:26:17.560 I know I was, you know, one of 00:26:17.560 --> 00:26:19.960 the, uh, people who was, uh, 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.760 uh, receiving, uh, you know, 00:26:22.760 --> 00:26:25.640 complaints about, uh, safety 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:26.980 issues and on, and at that 00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:30.180 roundabout, um, I, I definitely 00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:32.480 do not support removing the 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.340 roundabout, uh, anytime issues 00:26:35.340 --> 00:26:37.780 come up regarding a roundabout, 00:26:37.780 --> 00:26:39.380 uh, where people agree there's a 00:26:39.380 --> 00:26:40.760 problem. People tend to divide 00:26:40.760 --> 00:26:43.460 into two camps. Roughly, you 00:26:43.460 --> 00:26:44.320 know, there are people who say 00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:46.500 roundabouts are terrible. Uh, 00:26:46.520 --> 00:26:47.600 and, you know, then there are 00:26:47.600 --> 00:26:51.260 others that who, um, uh, you 00:26:51.260 --> 00:26:53.540 know, understand the need for a 00:26:53.540 --> 00:26:55.700 roundabout in that area or, you 00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:56.400 know, don't have anything 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.500 against roundabouts. They just 00:26:57.500 --> 00:27:00.540 want to problem solve. Uh, so, 00:27:00.540 --> 00:27:01.440 you know, it's the difference 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.740 between, you know, saying, um, 00:27:03.740 --> 00:27:05.320 you know, uh, marriage is 00:27:05.320 --> 00:27:06.740 terrible and then saying, well, 00:27:06.740 --> 00:27:07.880 maybe I should marry somebody 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:09.020 else, right? Don't throw out the 00:27:09.020 --> 00:27:10.320 baby with the bath water. So 00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:12.120 anyway, I just, uh, I just 00:27:12.120 --> 00:27:13.580 wanted to make clear, you know, 00:27:13.580 --> 00:27:15.320 that I have always, uh, 00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:17.060 supported a roundabout in this 00:27:17.060 --> 00:27:19.820 area. It makes sense. Um, I 00:27:19.820 --> 00:27:21.200 just want to clarify. So you 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:22.360 mentioned to the lighting at 00:27:22.360 --> 00:27:24.060 the, did you say the nose of 00:27:24.060 --> 00:27:26.400 the median or the 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.300 Yes. So what we are looking at 00:27:29.300 --> 00:27:30.300 is some good pavement 00:27:30.300 --> 00:27:32.240 reflectors that will actually, 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.840 um, put off more light and be 00:27:34.840 --> 00:27:36.040 able to see that more visibly 00:27:36.040 --> 00:27:38.180 at night. Uh, the, also the 00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:40.440 photometric study, um, also 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.220 showed adding a few more stop, 00:27:42.220 --> 00:27:43.820 uh, few more street lights in 00:27:43.820 --> 00:27:46.760 the area. And, uh, right now 00:27:46.760 --> 00:27:48.860 that is currently not our city 00:27:48.860 --> 00:27:51.960 standard and would also produce 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.520 quite a bit of light in the 00:27:53.520 --> 00:27:55.360 area, which is, is not a bad 00:27:55.360 --> 00:27:56.460 thing, but we do want to make 00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:58.760 sure that we are, uh, working 00:27:58.760 --> 00:28:00.660 with DME and council direction 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.440 that will be given on the 27th, 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.200 uh, for neighborhood lighting 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.740 plans and also the migratory 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:10.740 birds on that. But with what we 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:14.720 can do, um, right away after we 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.020 go through council on the 27th 00:28:16.020 --> 00:28:17.040 with this presentation and get 00:28:17.040 --> 00:28:19.460 direction, uh, we can get those 00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:21.080 reflectors up, which will 00:28:21.080 --> 00:28:22.760 visibly show that a lot better 00:28:22.760 --> 00:28:25.400 and also, uh, some of the led 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.800 marking lights will actually 00:28:26.800 --> 00:28:29.160 give a better signage and better 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.160 visibility at night. 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.600 Okay. And, and will this be, so 00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:34.800 does this mean the whole 00:28:34.800 --> 00:28:37.140 periphery or the, the whole 00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:39.780 circumference of the roundabout 00:28:39.780 --> 00:28:42.880 will be illuminated or just 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.180 certain parts of it? 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:48.880 So, and, and I do apologize. 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.320 I haven't got the, the pictures 00:28:50.320 --> 00:28:51.220 added to it. I will have some 00:28:51.220 --> 00:28:52.420 more pictures of exactly what 00:28:52.420 --> 00:28:53.480 we're looking at for the 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:54.620 council presentation. There was 00:28:54.620 --> 00:28:55.860 some feedback that I got 00:28:55.860 --> 00:28:57.700 yesterday on the presentation, 00:28:57.700 --> 00:28:59.220 but yes, it'll be a strip that 00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:00.020 will go around the whole 00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:01.520 circumference on all of that. 00:29:01.520 --> 00:29:04.360 And it is drive over. Um, so it 00:29:04.360 --> 00:29:06.440 is, it'll actually reflect that 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:07.200 and you'll be able to see it as 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:08.440 you're coming up to it at night 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:09.240 and make it a lot clearer. 00:29:09.840 --> 00:29:12.840 Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. I 00:29:12.840 --> 00:29:14.080 really think that'll make a big 00:29:14.080 --> 00:29:17.280 difference. Um, and, uh, 00:29:17.280 --> 00:29:19.620 secondly, you know, my, my, my 00:29:19.620 --> 00:29:21.120 other question, you know, has to 00:29:21.120 --> 00:29:23.120 do with the problem of, uh, uh, 00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:26.380 fire engines are, or just, you 00:29:26.380 --> 00:29:27.820 know, any larger vehicle kind of 00:29:27.820 --> 00:29:29.960 going around it, can it, can you 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:31.760 speak to how, because, you know, 00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:34.120 there were some signs that had 00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:37.140 been knocked down, uh, from 00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:38.500 vehicles, you know, trying to 00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:39.740 get around, can you kind of 00:29:39.740 --> 00:29:41.640 speak to how that, how this 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.000 will specifically resolve that 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.640 issue? Well, for larger vehicles 00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:47.840 traversing straight through it, 00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:49.820 um, it is designed for them to 00:29:49.820 --> 00:29:51.940 drive over the center, um, as 00:29:51.940 --> 00:29:53.620 in fire trucks, what we have 00:29:53.620 --> 00:29:55.660 noticed, uh, while we have been 00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:56.760 out there, while the crews have 00:29:56.760 --> 00:29:57.880 been out there replacing the 00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.860 signs that have been knocked 00:29:58.860 --> 00:30:00.700 down on the corners. A lot of 00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:02.760 that is from the construction 00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:05.020 traffic with large trailers that 00:30:05.020 --> 00:30:06.760 are running in and out of the 00:30:06.760 --> 00:30:08.100 new fireside development when 00:30:08.100 --> 00:30:10.660 they come in. Uh, larger trailers 00:30:10.660 --> 00:30:11.740 when you're trying to make that, 00:30:11.740 --> 00:30:13.400 that turn to go in there, the 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:14.600 trailer is swinging out a little 00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:15.800 bit and clipping the corner of 00:30:15.800 --> 00:30:18.240 the sign. So what we are looking 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.680 at is, uh, moving the sign back 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.480 just a little bit, um, which 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.980 should help with that. And also, 00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:29.920 um, with some of the radiuses 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:31.260 that we can adjust in the middle 00:30:31.260 --> 00:30:33.500 of Hinkle and Mimosa, uh, we 00:30:33.500 --> 00:30:35.060 might be able to, uh, give them 00:30:35.060 --> 00:30:36.900 a little more leeway to be able 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:38.600 to swing that corner a little 00:30:38.600 --> 00:30:40.400 wider on that. After the 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:41.500 construction is finished in 00:30:41.500 --> 00:30:44.460 there, uh, there will not be as 00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:45.760 many trailers that are 00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:47.160 traversing and turning back and 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.980 forth into the neighborhood. A 00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:51.040 standard vehicle like a fire 00:30:51.040 --> 00:30:54.100 truck that is, um, does not have 00:30:54.100 --> 00:30:55.240 a trailer behind it and it's 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.120 not connected, usually does not 00:30:57.120 --> 00:30:58.380 have those issues while making 00:30:58.380 --> 00:31:00.080 those, those wide turns. 00:31:00.080 --> 00:31:02.880 Okay, great. And, and, and sorry, 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:03.980 I know I said that was my last 00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:05.020 question, but that makes me 00:31:05.020 --> 00:31:07.260 think of a follow up question. 00:31:07.260 --> 00:31:09.760 Um, so I, I know that obviously 00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:11.060 the point of a roundabout is to 00:31:11.060 --> 00:31:15.160 keep traffic moving. Um, would 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.660 it make any sense? Um, and the 00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:19.260 answer might be no, uh, but 00:31:19.260 --> 00:31:20.540 would it make any sense to put 00:31:20.540 --> 00:31:22.500 one of those temporary speed 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:26.440 bumps, uh, that you all have at 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:27.640 some point, not, not in the 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.440 roundabout, but you know, leading 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.120 up to the roundabout on either 00:31:31.120 --> 00:31:34.880 side, just to make, um, you know, 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.060 some construction vehicle, large 00:31:37.060 --> 00:31:38.960 vehicle that's just thinking 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.860 about getting from, you know, 00:31:40.860 --> 00:31:43.360 point a to point B just to force 00:31:43.360 --> 00:31:47.560 them to slow down. Would that 00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:48.900 make any sense or would that be 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:50.700 a bad idea? I'm not invested one 00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:52.840 way or the other, just that is 00:31:52.840 --> 00:31:53.800 something we can definitely look 00:31:53.800 --> 00:31:56.380 at, um, off hand. I'm not a 00:31:56.380 --> 00:31:57.200 hundred percent sure that will 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.640 work, but I will definitely bring 00:31:58.640 --> 00:31:59.740 it up with traffic engineering 00:31:59.740 --> 00:32:01.180 and we can look into that option. 00:32:01.180 --> 00:32:03.840 Okay. And thank you just as long 00:32:03.840 --> 00:32:05.680 as I understand that this is not 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.120 something I'm, you know, a battle 00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:10.480 I'm waging. It just, it just 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:11.780 occurred to me just to make 00:32:11.780 --> 00:32:13.460 people, cause it would help, I 00:32:13.460 --> 00:32:14.400 think, to make people just 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.320 slightly slow down before they 00:32:16.320 --> 00:32:18.560 get to the roundabout and reflect 00:32:18.560 --> 00:32:21.860 that this is a roundabout, you 00:32:21.860 --> 00:32:24.400 know, the, at the, at the Bonnie 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.400 Bray, uh, roundabout, there are 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.140 all those signs that make you do 00:32:29.140 --> 00:32:32.840 that. Uh, so anyway, temporary 00:32:32.840 --> 00:32:34.240 speed bump, not permanent might, 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.520 might be a good idea. We will 00:32:37.520 --> 00:32:39.080 definitely put it on the list to 00:32:39.080 --> 00:32:40.120 look into this, ma'am. 00:32:40.120 --> 00:32:44.160 That's all right. Questions, 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.320 comments. Good. Um, uh, I have, 00:32:48.320 --> 00:32:53.200 uh, a few that to me, the central 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:56.260 issue is not ambient lighting or 00:32:56.260 --> 00:32:57.340 lighting from the top. It's the 00:32:57.340 --> 00:32:59.140 fact that, uh, you know, speak 00:32:59.140 --> 00:33:00.300 as a lay person at somebody who 00:33:00.300 --> 00:33:01.740 has driven through there, it's 00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:03.200 the fact that, you know, the 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.180 height is below where your eyes 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:08.280 normally are, you know, for a 00:33:08.280 --> 00:33:10.040 car. So I don't think lighting 00:33:10.040 --> 00:33:11.440 on top and that that's kind of 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:12.940 the bulk of the expense there 00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:14.720 too, is really to the point. 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.860 There, uh, reflectors around the 00:33:17.860 --> 00:33:19.480 perimeter make all kinds of 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.320 sense. Uh, I think I sent a 00:33:21.320 --> 00:33:22.660 picture or I made some kind of a 00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:25.560 comment, um, I may have sent a 00:33:25.560 --> 00:33:27.000 picture to staff of, uh, when I 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.960 saw an Ardmore, Oklahoma, uh, 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.700 similar deal. And they actually 00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:36.200 had a moving light that goes 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:37.480 around the top. So, you know, 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:38.500 you, you'd notice it from a 00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:42.740 distance. Um, I think, uh, uh, 00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:44.480 council member Armitage, uh, uh, 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.540 really good idea there on either, 00:33:46.540 --> 00:33:49.320 whether it's speed bump or rumble 00:33:49.320 --> 00:33:51.080 strip or something that uses a 00:33:51.080 --> 00:33:52.960 different sense, because we know 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:54.260 that the visual is going to be 00:33:54.260 --> 00:33:56.160 limited, you know, well, I think 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:57.520 that's, uh, that makes all kinds 00:33:57.520 --> 00:34:00.200 of sense. And I, uh, I do hope 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.060 you'll evaluate that, uh, too. 00:34:03.060 --> 00:34:08.140 Then, uh, last bit of, uh, input 00:34:08.140 --> 00:34:10.600 I'd like to offer is, uh, I've 00:34:10.600 --> 00:34:14.440 heard that it's troubling. This 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.640 one hasn't come up yet in the 00:34:16.640 --> 00:34:17.980 list of issues, but that it's 00:34:17.980 --> 00:34:20.040 troubling that the bike lanes 00:34:20.040 --> 00:34:21.920 basically take you into the 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.020 traffic and dead end. And I know 00:34:24.020 --> 00:34:26.660 the intention is to communicate. 00:34:26.660 --> 00:34:29.180 Don't go into traffic and get 00:34:29.180 --> 00:34:32.600 hit, get off, walk around. Um, I 00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:34.560 think, uh, bike enthusiasts will 00:34:34.560 --> 00:34:36.800 tell you they won't be inclined 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:38.860 to do it, that they would be 00:34:38.860 --> 00:34:39.900 inclined to just keep moving with 00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:43.040 traffic. Um, now I did actually 00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:45.380 ask all those experts in the 00:34:45.380 --> 00:34:47.600 panel that we recently had, uh, 00:34:47.600 --> 00:34:50.580 you know, uh, interviewing and, 00:34:50.580 --> 00:34:51.620 and there was not a lot of 00:34:51.620 --> 00:34:53.320 support for the idea of adding a 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.280 bike lane around. Uh, they, from 00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.080 a safety point of view, they, 00:34:58.080 --> 00:35:01.560 there seemed to be consensus, uh, 00:35:01.560 --> 00:35:04.120 to, to move the cyclists off and 00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:07.300 route them around. Uh, but I 00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:07.860 don't think there's any 00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:08.700 indication that that's what you're 00:35:08.700 --> 00:35:10.000 supposed to do. It looks like 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.940 drive here, end up in the middle 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:14.800 of traffic. So something to think 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.840 about, um, that's all I have. And, 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.640 uh, if there is nothing else, uh, 00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:23.920 I would like to hold on the 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:26.120 second part of staff reports. Oh, 00:35:26.120 --> 00:35:27.120 council member Roy, go ahead. 00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:32.620 Something that just dawned on me 00:35:32.620 --> 00:35:34.260 was the down on Hickory Creek, 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:36.000 we've got the heavy curves that 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.260 when traffic comes, it does a 00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:39.460 flash. So it's not a constant 00:35:39.460 --> 00:35:40.660 light. It's only when there is 00:35:40.660 --> 00:35:42.300 vehicular movement on the road, 00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:43.560 that that might be a better way 00:35:43.560 --> 00:35:45.940 to, to kind of help with that as 00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:48.500 far as pre signaling that you 00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:49.240 need to slow up. 00:35:49.240 --> 00:35:51.100 See, you don't need engineers. 00:35:51.100 --> 00:35:52.240 You have all the talent, right? 00:35:52.240 --> 00:35:56.320 Yeah. So we, we will definitely 00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:57.880 look at those options and, uh, 00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:58.960 council member Meltzer. I also 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:00.020 wanted to let you know that was 00:36:00.020 --> 00:36:01.960 another, uh, about the bike lanes 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.280 was brought up in traffic safety. 00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.600 Um, and that is something that we 00:36:05.600 --> 00:36:08.500 will be looking at the bike lane 00:36:08.500 --> 00:36:10.760 in pedestrian connectivity across 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:11.960 the city and all this. And we 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:12.900 will also be looking at it in 00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:14.600 this area, especially while we're 00:36:14.600 --> 00:36:15.540 out there making some 00:36:15.540 --> 00:36:17.200 modifications to the curves and 00:36:17.200 --> 00:36:18.780 doing that. So that is on our 00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:19.340 list. Yes, sir. 00:36:19.340 --> 00:36:20.980 Thanks for bringing this item 00:36:20.980 --> 00:36:24.340 to us. Um, and, uh, thanks to my 00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:25.580 colleagues for good suggestions. 00:36:25.580 --> 00:36:28.140 So I want to hold off on the 00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:29.580 identified items of interest for 00:36:29.580 --> 00:36:30.980 future consideration, just in 00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:33.420 case the other, uh, items on our 00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:37.360 agenda spark any, uh, ideas, uh, 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.100 for members here and, and, uh, 00:36:40.100 --> 00:36:41.300 thanks for your patience, Mr. 00:36:41.300 --> 00:36:42.360 Bolster. I'm going to go ahead 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.100 and open or reopen item B, 00:36:45.100 --> 00:36:46.500 receive a report and hold a 00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:47.760 discussion regarding city debt 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.860 and transportation slash mobility 00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:51.200 project status report. 00:36:51.200 --> 00:36:58.620 You're on job. 00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:21.860 Thank you. 00:37:50.860 --> 00:37:58.860 We are pulling up the report now, and as soon as it's up we'll begin. 00:38:20.860 --> 00:38:27.860 If you can just go to the 2181 report, we'll just go right into that. 00:38:27.860 --> 00:38:29.860 The rest of it is just funding issues. 00:38:29.860 --> 00:38:35.860 So on the -- can we make that a little bit smaller so we can see the whole page? 00:38:35.860 --> 00:38:37.860 There we go. 00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:40.860 So the 2181 project is under construction. 00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:48.860 On the next page you'll see the text out report. 00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:58.860 Most of the work we're doing right now is still with very sundry culverts and crossings and significant drainage issues. 00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:03.860 And it seems like every time we put a -- back on the ground we find something else we got to deal with. 00:39:03.860 --> 00:39:15.860 So right now we're dealing with several gas, school, and fiber issues, and we're meeting everybody in the field to try to get it resolved. 00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:24.860 But we're still essentially on track for our March 22 completion date on this project. 00:39:24.860 --> 00:39:27.860 If there's no questions we can move to the next one. 00:39:27.860 --> 00:39:30.860 Forward drive, this project is essentially complete. 00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:43.860 The new news is hopefully mobility members and council staff have received or will be receiving an invitation to the ribbon cutting. 00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:48.860 I think we now know that it's going to be at that smokehouse location. 00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:57.860 And if it's inclement weather, they've provided us with a place indoors to hold the event in that event. 00:39:57.860 --> 00:40:08.860 But that's essentially what's left is just to kind of celebrate 10 and a half long years to get this project completed. 00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:15.860 Next. 00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:16.860 Okay. 00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:18.860 So this is the 35V Mayhill project. 00:40:18.860 --> 00:40:22.860 You'll see that all of the dates have changed. 00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:34.860 And the reason we're changing the dates is because if you look in the PSNE portion of the report, we're adding braided ramps both northbound and southbound at Brinker. 00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:42.860 And for those of you that travel that area, you'll know that the frontage roads are constantly backed up due to the signal at Brinker. 00:40:42.860 --> 00:41:03.860 What these additional plans will do is add a bypass frontage road up with the level of the main lane so that you can get from exiting at Mayhill and go to 288 without having to stop at Brinker or exit 288 and get to Mayhill without having to stop at Brinker. 00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:11.860 They've added two additional parcels that were environmentally cleared but not initially planned to be acquired. 00:41:11.860 --> 00:41:16.860 But we have 35 of the 44 in possession. 00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:30.860 And we believe that by the end of this year, it says January 22, but I think we'll be able to beat that by probably two or three months. 00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:33.860 But we're still looking at -- it's fully funded. 00:41:33.860 --> 00:41:41.860 It says 62.17 million, but we got permission from TxDOT and the MPO to add the additional scope. 00:41:41.860 --> 00:41:47.860 And at the next unified transportation plan update, they'll adjust the cost accordingly. 00:41:47.860 --> 00:42:03.860 That's 77.63 million. If you recall the last time we talked, TxDOT is requiring -- the headquarters is requiring the districts to add 4% inflation per year, per year two year of let. 00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:11.860 So this project currently has two, possibly three years of inflation at 12%. 00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:17.860 So that number will continually go down as we get closer to the actual let date. 00:42:17.860 --> 00:42:35.860 And I think staff's got plans. We're going to review them together at our next staff meeting just to make sure that whatever TxDOT's proposing to do is consistent with what the city wants from a mobility standpoint and a development standpoint. 00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:52.860 Okay. So the Dallas Drive interim improvements, if you've been over there, you see that we put those delineators up so that the folks coming from the Calaways or the northbound frontage road from the mall, their only option is to turn north onto Dallas Drive. 00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:54.860 They cannot cross anymore. 00:42:54.860 --> 00:43:07.860 So as you're approaching that intersection from the freeway, your options are to move to the left side of the delineators, cross Dallas Drive and get on the frontage road, continue straight through. 00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:22.860 And so it's minimized a lot of the impacts of conflicts there, and it buys us some time to work on more permanent improvement to that intersection going forward. 00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:26.860 Okay, your 35E merge. This is the big project. 00:43:26.860 --> 00:43:31.860 It's ready to let in March 22. We've got most of the right-of-way acquired. 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:35.860 We believe we'll have the rest of the right-of-way by the end of this month. 00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:50.860 And moving full on into utility relocations. We've got EECOM and Stantec are doing the design for the work and they've hired, TxDOT's hired LTRA to do the actual utility coordination. 00:43:50.860 --> 00:43:55.860 And we are actively working with the utilities in the corridor. 00:43:55.860 --> 00:44:09.860 City staff meets regularly with TxDOT folks. We had a meeting yesterday just to try to deal with some issues, and we're on track for the March 22. 00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:26.860 I mean, the June 22 ready to let date. And remember, it's showing January 25 until this summer. Once we add a new year to unified transportation plan, this project will move back into the 22 year for let. 00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:34.860 Okay, this is a new one from our last meeting. I think we went over it, but we didn't have it in the report per se. 00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:45.860 But these are the interim improvements at 380 and 35. It's just a partial on the map. If we put the whole thing in, you wouldn't be able to see it. 00:44:45.860 --> 00:45:06.860 Essentially what we're doing is we're flipping the ramps so that the exit just there at 380 comes out and that becomes an on ramp and to the south, the on ramp becomes an exit, and we're adding additional lanes on the main lanes, an auxiliary lane to connect 00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:22.860 those two and then we'll take that auxiliary all the way up to the bridge deck so that it'll essentially add another line of traffic on 35 and move all of the conflicting movements onto the frontage road and then if you'll see there at 380 we're coming in and we're 00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:45.860 making some changes to the intersection itself to allow for a longer transition to turn right and then the ability to do dual left and two through going northbound so that should add more capacity throughput at the intersection and so we're anticipating having this project 00:45:45.860 --> 00:46:09.860 let in July, and text that is requested, both from the headquarters and city staff if they can work essentially 24 hours a day to try to get this resolved quickly and we're, we're still working on that detail, but the intent is we got a problem now, fix it now, and 00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:15.860 nobody gets hung in effigy, or in reality. 00:46:15.860 --> 00:46:23.860 This is a bigger project that goes north from 77 all the way to the county line it's the 00:46:23.860 --> 00:46:40.860 800 million dollar project. Again those numbers are inflated for the inflation year. It's about a year behind the section from 77 south. They are breaking it up into three sections not because they don't have the funding they're breaking it up in three sections 00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:56.860 because if they keep the dollar amount for each let at a certain number, they can, they have fewer requirements and restrictions on what they can do as far as the letting process so that project is moving forward and 00:46:56.860 --> 00:46:59.860 yeah, that's pretty much it. 00:46:59.860 --> 00:47:16.860 Okay on the main lanes, this is the main lanes from the merge 35 W south to where they end at 3C, which is the section of the North Terran Express that's coming up from the south that centers building. 00:47:16.860 --> 00:47:20.860 And then this picks up where center leaves off and does the main lanes. 00:47:20.860 --> 00:47:29.860 The, we're on track for an environmental clearance this summer we put out a notice affording opportunity to people asked for the hearing. 00:47:29.860 --> 00:47:39.860 Text up met with each of those two people individually got direct questions answered and so there will not be an actual public hearing on this project. 00:47:39.860 --> 00:47:47.860 We were just working through the summary and analysis portion to have the document cleared by July of this year. 00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:52.860 We're already in the process of identifying right away. 00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:56.860 And I think on the next project is the frontage road project. 00:47:56.860 --> 00:48:05.860 This is the one that we're most interested in. We are acquiring right away we believe that about this time next year, roughly. 00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:18.860 Somewhere next year we'll have all the right away acquired. We are looking at areas of focus, unless the new stimulus packets coming down provides additional funding that we don't know about. 00:48:18.860 --> 00:48:34.860 We're looking at an emphasis area to break out some portion of this project and go first right now. The leading thinking on this project for phase one would be from somewhere just south of 407. 00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:42.860 North to the split where the wishbone project picks up and that covers from a development standpoint. 00:48:42.860 --> 00:48:51.860 The Avalon Centurion American project, all of the Hillwood developments and coal ranch. 00:48:51.860 --> 00:49:02.860 So if we, if we have to, we'll just break that project out if not we'll do the whole thing because we got some stimulus money. 00:49:02.860 --> 00:49:11.860 Okay, so this is a project under construction. So if you'll go to the next one, we'll just look at the construction report. Pretty much everything's going well on this project. There's not a lot of conflicting movements. 00:49:11.860 --> 00:49:19.860 The text that agreed from day one that they'd keep all traffic lanes open to traffic while they were working. They've had their shift to the north. 00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:29.860 And it seems to be going without too much impediment to traffic and adjacent properties. 00:49:29.860 --> 00:49:36.860 And it's still on track for 23 October completion. 380 East. 00:49:36.860 --> 00:49:45.860 We continue to have very involved conversations with utilities on this corridor. That's the critical path. 00:49:45.860 --> 00:49:58.860 We've seen, I would say, significant movement from the two principal entities that are impacting the schedule and that's co-serving opportunity. 00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:03.860 A lot of progress has been made in the last week and a half. 00:50:03.860 --> 00:50:24.860 So we'll update the let date probably next month and try to get a realistic date. I don't think we're going to make the May 21 let date, but I don't think it's going to be as bad as what we thought just 60, 30 days ago. 00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:34.860 Okay. So the feasibility study, we were hoping to be able to come tell you that it's about to be shut down and we can put it on the shelf and stop worrying about it. 00:50:34.860 --> 00:51:01.860 But at the after this last cycle of updates that HDR did protect start while they were completing this feasibility study, if you see that yellow box, everything east of 377 to the county line, their new demographics based on what cause going to be updating when they update the mobility plan projects that in the next 12 years, where they're going to be placing 00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:20.860 community the size of the city of Richardson inside that box. So they're anticipating 90,000 residents in the box between 380 377 to West, the outer loop to the north and the county line slash toll road to the to the east. 00:51:20.860 --> 00:51:44.860 So, what that tells text that is that they need to move pretty quickly from feasibility to environmental clearing of 380 as a, as a freeway and didn't county is moving forward with a bond program in November of this year, and we're fairly confident that will have on that bond 00:51:44.860 --> 00:52:04.860 program funding to begin the environmental clearance of the outer loop from where it hits the county line and Colin over to back on to 35 we're initially we're thinking we would go down to 288 but text that when their study indicates that the outer loop needs to continue as it is on 00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:14.860 288 East thoroughfare plan. West and hit 35 somewhere around Milan road which is where your thoroughfare plan shows it. 00:52:14.860 --> 00:52:23.860 So, we thought we were done, and we're just now getting into the deep part of the pool on this one. 00:52:23.860 --> 00:52:42.860 So, West Chang Patel has submitted a contract dollar amount to the county, we're processing that contract now, and the schedule for the plans being complete or October 23 so we got plenty of time to get that done. 00:52:42.860 --> 00:53:01.860 The project was cleared in 2020 they're acquiring the right away there's significant right away issues on 288 because each of those parcels that impact a gas well as a right away acquisition process also includes coordination with the utility relocations 00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:15.860 and transmission lines and it's very involved. So if we can beat the December 24 date. We'll move it up because this project that text started asked it in county to pursue. 00:53:15.860 --> 00:53:30.860 And from a design standpoint, because they want to get the project funded because again this is part of the whole regional outer loop for the six county seven county region. 00:53:30.860 --> 00:53:52.860 In 2015 we've got a proposal from LTRA to do the engineering, the plan specifications and estimates we again anticipate having them on contract within the next month or so, the 42 million is a, again, an escalated dollar amount based on the 4% inflation to the 23 fiscal year. 00:53:52.860 --> 00:54:01.860 So the next step is to get LTRA on contract to do the design work. 00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:24.860 Okay, we are anticipating environmental clearance in the summer text that is already working on the right away map. So we can move into right away acquisition and text that's asking to make sure that we're doing 1173 the way it's supposed to be on the city's thoroughfare plan 00:54:24.860 --> 00:54:37.860 and we're asking for a letter of support from city of Denton crumb the county and whatnot to say yeah this is where we actually want it, since we're going to be making the improvements to 35 in this area. 00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:48.860 That includes the real location of 711 73 from its existing location to the Barthold road proposed alignment. 00:54:48.860 --> 00:55:06.860 And that's pretty much what I have. 00:55:06.860 --> 00:55:14.860 Sorry, my interface, I clicked weird. 00:55:14.860 --> 00:55:16.860 Any questions or comments. 00:55:16.860 --> 00:55:22.860 I can speak up because I've got one. 00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:33.860 I don't know if this is a city issue or text out or a combination of the two, but 377 is fantastic, having it opened up like it is. 00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:49.860 It's a two time way back if you're heading north, but if you're heading south, we still have the bottleneck at 35 because it's still one lane has to turn left one lane has turned right and only one lane can go straight to fill the three lanes on the other side. 00:55:49.860 --> 00:56:16.860 Do we know whose issue that is is that something text out has to handle or is that something the city needs to work on. I think it's a combination we'll get with x dot area office to see what needs to be done there it's a text up facilities but you know city of Denton manages the signals but yeah I think it's a situation where we just need to bring it up to staff and see what we need to do to get more traffic through there I agree. 00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:21.860 I drive through there all the time and it needs to have dual movements at least. 00:56:21.860 --> 00:56:29.860 Yeah, at five o'clock, you're backed up to racetrack, which is three to four lights to get through. Correct. 00:56:29.860 --> 00:56:46.860 Yes, Councilmember and we are absolutely looking into that we've actually already contacted the local office, and we're talking about that area. And I understand there's only one that can go straight one that can turn right, right and one that can turn left so one lane, and then you're going underneath 00:56:46.860 --> 00:57:02.860 where the bridge has multiple lanes and so in those multiple lanes continue on on to the new 377 so we are definitely looking at that we've been having conversations with textile, and then hope to have some kind of resolution here as soon so I do appreciate you bringing 00:57:02.860 --> 00:57:06.860 that to our attention. 00:57:06.860 --> 00:57:10.860 Other questions or comments. 00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:30.860 I want to say I'm marking January 2022 on my calendar for the improvements at 35 the interim improvements to 35 and 380. Thank you very much for hearing and communicating our collective cry. 00:57:30.860 --> 00:57:45.860 All right, that'll conclude that item. Thanks very much Mr poster, and let's move on then to item see receiver report and hold the discussion regarding updates from the Denton County Transportation Authority. 00:57:45.860 --> 00:58:00.860 We have. And Councilmember Meltzer I'm, I'm sorry to let you know we have still not received any correspondence this morning via either text or email from DC ta I know they have a scheduling conflict and we're going to have another individual join us 00:58:00.860 --> 00:58:14.860 today to give that presentation, and they've yet to join us so I apologize for that but do not want to and cannot speak on their behalf so definitely something that will reach out and see if they have any. 00:58:14.860 --> 00:58:29.860 If everything's okay. So we're not sure what the situation is at this time but have not heard anything from them yet. So, with that, that is really all that we have today and so we're not going to be able to have a presentation on that item. 00:58:29.860 --> 00:58:46.860 Yeah, I, to the extent that you have communication, if you know I keep hearing. Well I heard a comment yesterday and counsel from member of the public, suggesting that same tone that it's a fait accompli that we're moving from fixed 00:58:46.860 --> 00:59:02.860 to to on demand when that was has been had been presented as such as a pilot program to evaluate, and I would just 00:59:02.860 --> 00:59:18.860 remind you that it may come up in your conversations that I warned against creeping conviction that if there is that we have to be open to see what the data actually tells us, and not be not a blinders on. 00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:33.860 I hope it works out open provides greater convenience and, you know, at good cost and improves public transportation but let's you know let's see what actually happens. 00:59:33.860 --> 00:59:36.860 That's my message. 00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:41.860 I strongly second that I said it better myself. 00:59:41.860 --> 00:59:52.860 I appreciate that feedback will definitely pass that along I did hear the same sentiments in the council meeting yesterday and so definitely something that we can pass along to DC ta. 00:59:52.860 --> 00:59:58.860 Thanks. No problem. That's what Ryan point that point counterpoint. 00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:12.860 Yeah, I think that once people because I've been in a lot more meetings about that, as far as the on demand I think is it is it's implemented people actually like a lot better. 01:00:12.860 --> 01:00:26.860 Yeah, I mean, change always, you know, makes me yeah nobody likes change but this is, you know, the response time is much faster on this you're not having to wait as long as what you currently do. 01:00:26.860 --> 01:00:30.860 Well, I'm very hopeful. 01:00:30.860 --> 01:00:42.860 Not so hopeful that I don't want to see what actually happens. So, so let's close that item for today and the only thing remaining is identified items of interest for future consideration. 01:00:42.860 --> 01:00:58.860 So I don't know if you have anything you wanted to tee up, Becky or if you just sort of sort of a placeholder for us to bring anything. Yes, sir, that's actually just a location for if there's anything additional I know last meeting we talked about 01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:15.860 a feedback and update as we will continue to do on the senior planner bicycle pedestrian and ADA position, and then any future items that you have what I'm my goal is is to have a running log of those items, so that staff can bring them back to you some 01:01:15.860 --> 01:01:26.860 of the items may take a little bit longer to do research on. And so I want to make sure that we're scheduling those appropriately and addressing the concerns as they are received and so. 01:01:26.860 --> 01:01:43.860 Really, the exhibit that you see in your packet is, it's just kind of the start of what I hope to be able to present and bring those items back to you. I know one specifically that Councilmember Ryan brought up today is that 377 interchange at three at 35. 01:01:43.860 --> 01:01:58.860 Too many highways I'll start with the same number three. So, so but we definitely that's one that we're looking into and so we will have a response back and more than likely that will happen in advance of the next mobility committee meeting but if there's 01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:10.860 anything additional that you would like to bring up now would be a perfect time for you to do so, so that we can bring those back and address the concerns as we receive them. 01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:14.860 Can we go for the unmute button Councilmember armature. 01:02:14.860 --> 01:02:16.860 No. Okay. 01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:22.860 As well Ryan anything you'd like to tip. 01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:37.860 This is already kind of in the works I've already put forward but probably would work well on this and that is the T's Lee and Hobson. If you're on T's Lee turning right on the Hobson. 01:02:37.860 --> 01:02:47.860 The radius there is not large enough for trucks with trailers, and I'm talking about a pickup truck with a lot of equipment on the back. 01:02:47.860 --> 01:03:00.860 That's, it's very difficult to maneuver, and it may just be some restriping that needs to be done but I've seen several times or that intersection gets stopped because they have to wait for the light to clear Hobson so they can make it the rest 01:03:00.860 --> 01:03:03.860 of the way around. 01:03:03.860 --> 01:03:20.860 You know sir, I absolutely understand I think we have received that question, and I know that that's something that Daniel Kramer who was here was absolutely looking into so definitely something that's on the list that is being evaluated as far as 01:03:20.860 --> 01:03:34.860 that turning movement, and so it's specifically for folks just so I understand and this is the way I understood the comment that came through is for folks that are traveling on T's Lee to make the right hand turn to get on to Hobson Lane near the church that's 01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:42.860 located at that intersection. It's just that they don't have the ability to make the turn due to the radius right there without actually going over the curb. 01:03:42.860 --> 01:03:56.860 It may just be due to the skew of the intersection. Is that correct sir. That's correct. Okay, it may just be putting the stop line further back so that cars that are on Hobson don't make this far forward. 01:03:56.860 --> 01:04:07.860 It may be an actual curb and adding just a little bit more to that radius may just be striping and moving a mobile but just to take a look at how we can make it easier for it because that's it. 01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:17.860 It's more than a normal 90 degree turn right there. You're actually going backwards so when you're trying to pull something behind you it's very difficult. 01:04:17.860 --> 01:04:28.860 No, I appreciate those comments. Thank you and will definitely continue to look into that I know, like I mentioned Danny is looking at that intersection. 01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:32.860 Any items to tip. 01:04:32.860 --> 01:04:38.860 I have one that seems to have fallen off the list. 01:04:38.860 --> 01:04:41.860 Well please let me know. 01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:57.860 I'm talking about and I do, I do openly reveal that I live on West Oak Street so I see this all the time, but we've talked a number of times about West Oak Street from Bradley West. 01:04:57.860 --> 01:05:00.860 That's a roller coaster. 01:05:00.860 --> 01:05:10.860 I'm interested in a solution, but I'm at least equally interested in a root cause analysis. 01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:26.860 So that we can identify what steps are are maybe missing I don't know if it's the only place in Denton, where you know relatively new construction has turned into, you know, such a roller coaster. 01:05:26.860 --> 01:05:46.860 But, you know, and maybe you'll tell me it's completely isolated in which case, I'm just interested in solution but it's, you know, I think it's kind of an embarrassment that that this happened, and it should be fixed so I would at least say assessment or something to 01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:53.860 identify next steps regarding that section of street. 01:05:53.860 --> 01:05:58.860 Thank you for that, and we will definitely look into that. 01:05:58.860 --> 01:06:05.860 That actually reminds me I had shaken my head no I have nothing else to add. 01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:23.860 That reminds me of concern on Hickory that the part of Hickory that is that intersects with with Bonnie Bray. I had made a report on this before and there was supposed. 01:06:23.860 --> 01:06:35.860 I made a report I mean just, you know, submitted a kind of concern to to counsel and to staff and there was something in a Friday report saying they were going to do a traffic study in that area. 01:06:35.860 --> 01:06:58.860 And I had noticed, and heard from residents in that area you know and also witnessed that cars go really fast, kind of coming like off the highway or off Bonnie Bray down that beginning part of Hickory now and as you go down I guess that would be going east on Hickory. 01:06:58.860 --> 01:07:03.860 My sense is that people tend to slow down. 01:07:03.860 --> 01:07:19.860 But people go really fast, coming off there and it's an area that, you know, young families live there they're kids, seniors with disabilities. 01:07:19.860 --> 01:07:42.860 And so it's just it's concerning. There's also an issue right around there that I haven't reported but I have noticed, and that is Avenue G is divided into two, and I know I believe it was Mayor Pro Tem Davis who had asked for a 01:07:42.860 --> 01:07:53.860 community of some sort on kind of streets that split up into two where they really are two separate streets that have the same name and it's confusing to people. 01:07:53.860 --> 01:08:13.860 At least that's what I recall that he had brought that up. Avenue G, it is I'm not sure if it quite counts as that in my mind it does, but there's Hickory, and Hickory is a one way. And you have people who are going down Avenue G from Oak Street, 01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:20.860 who want to continue on Avenue G. But to continue on Avenue G which kind of splits up. 01:08:20.860 --> 01:08:31.860 You have to make an illegal right, and basically go the wrong way down Hickory. 01:08:31.860 --> 01:08:40.860 And I have I have seen that, because I drive down part of Hickory a lot I've seen that a number of times. 01:08:40.860 --> 01:08:54.860 People do that. And now there's a one way sign right there that intersection so I don't know if they're not seeing the sign, or if they're just saying, oh, there's no one here. 01:08:54.860 --> 01:09:12.860 I have no idea what people are thinking. Maybe simply changing the street name, and I know that's complicated people have to change their mailing address, but so that it's, they don't see it as a continuation of the same street but a different street maybe that would help. 01:09:12.860 --> 01:09:31.860 But, but that's a real concern, and I bet, you know, if you just had someone monitor that you know you would probably see multiple times a day, people do that, and it's just it's really an accident, waiting to happen I don't know if there's been one. 01:09:31.860 --> 01:09:45.860 I guess is that it probably has something to do with the fact that the street is split into two and it has the same name, you know, so people were planning, they had it in their mind they're going to keep going down Avenue G, and they're not going to let the fact that 01:09:45.860 --> 01:09:51.860 there's a one way street going the wrong way. Stop them. 01:09:51.860 --> 01:09:55.860 So I don't know what the solutions are but it is a problem. 01:09:55.860 --> 01:10:07.860 Thank you for bringing that to our attention and let us look into that we can see if there's been any accidents in that area and if there's any improvements that can be made at that intersection that will help so no I appreciate you bringing that to our attention 01:10:07.860 --> 01:10:11.860 thank you very much. 01:10:11.860 --> 01:10:13.860 Okay. 01:10:13.860 --> 01:10:17.860 Anything else. 01:10:17.860 --> 01:10:25.860 Seeing no other movement.