1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,100 Thank you very much. Thank you. 2 00:00:08,100 --> 00:00:09,800 Good morning and welcome to this 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:11,800 meeting of the mobility 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,840 committee. The city of Denton. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,900 Uh, we have quorum and I see 6 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:16,500 Council member Armand Torres 7 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:17,080 present to some degree. 8 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:20,880 Actually we're seeing a picture 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,780 of a cat. But I have it on, uh 10 00:00:23,780 --> 00:00:26,480 been advised that she is not a 11 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,960 cat. Hopefully there soon. I'm 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,960 sorry. We have audio. So we'll 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,760 go ahead and get started. Um 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,200 with the first item for 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,440 individual consideration was 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,340 which is considering approval 17 00:00:44,340 --> 00:00:45,900 of the minutes of March 17th. 18 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:49,500 Entertain a motion. I move 19 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:52,040 approval. I move approval. 20 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,520 John, I'll second. I'll second 21 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,120 the motion. Uh officially moved 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,720 and, uh, as member Ryan 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,960 seconded all those in favor. 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,760 Hi. Hi. Hi. Okay. Minutes are 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,440 approved. We've got to be 26 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,000 received report and hold the 27 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,400 discussion regarding City of 28 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,940 Denton Transportation slash 29 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:17,140 Mobility Project status 30 00:01:17,140 --> 00:01:22,440 report. Mr Poulster here with 31 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:32,360 us. Thank you, Mr Poulster. 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,500 Just gonna just going to, uh, 33 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:41,360 handle that item. Is that you, 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,800 Becky? I'm actually served. 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,700 Mr Poulster is supposed to be 36 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:45,800 online. He's not online yet, so 37 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,840 we're going to check with him 38 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,940 and see where he is. Um and so 39 00:01:50,940 --> 00:01:52,620 has a scheduling conflict this 40 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:54,340 morning, too. So I know they 41 00:01:54,340 --> 00:01:56,520 were asking to be on later 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,320 today also. So give us a 43 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,320 minute. Just letting me know 44 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,920 that. Yeah. So why don't we go 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,880 ahead and, uh, and move to 46 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,860 item D. So, uh, I don't know if 47 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:10,260 we have to unopen that we're 48 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:12,860 gonna sure we can move to item 49 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:14,500 D and I actually see Mr Poulster 50 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:16,440 walking up, so we will give him 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,440 a couple of minutes and we're 52 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,080 happy to move to item D if you 53 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,080 would like to myself and Daniel 54 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,780 Kramer, who were both going to 55 00:02:23,780 --> 00:02:25,140 be making those presentations 56 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:27,280 are here today. So if we want 57 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,520 to take that item first, then 58 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,620 that's not a problem with me, 59 00:02:30,620 --> 00:02:31,980 sir. Yeah, let's go ahead and do 60 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:32,960 that. So item D is staff 61 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,160 reports. Uh, one staff my 62 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,220 random update regarding the 63 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:40,760 senior planner, uh, also frame 64 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,760 street, also ankle drive 65 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,720 roundabout and identified items 66 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,560 of interest for future 67 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:45,300 consideration. 68 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,160 Wonderful. Well, good morning. 69 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,540 I just wanted to take the time 70 00:02:51,540 --> 00:02:53,240 this morning to give you an 71 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,500 update on the senior planner, 72 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:58,240 bicycle, pedestrian and 88 73 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,280 coordinator position. We held 74 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,520 interviews on April 9th. We had 75 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,880 approximately 61 applications 76 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,260 and that position was open 77 00:03:08,260 --> 00:03:10,120 until filled. So there's still 78 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,400 several applications that have 79 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,320 come in. And I will tell you 80 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,900 that we had four candidates 81 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:17,500 that we interviewed. Um, we are 82 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:19,200 having a second round of 83 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,600 interviews on Friday morning, 84 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,800 um, with the, uh, top two 85 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,700 individuals. And so we look 86 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:27,340 forward to, uh, those 87 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:29,180 interviews and, uh, hopefully 88 00:03:29,180 --> 00:03:30,540 soon we will be able to 89 00:03:30,540 --> 00:03:31,720 announce that we actually have 90 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,380 a person to fill that position. 91 00:03:33,380 --> 00:03:35,740 So, um, we appreciate all the, 92 00:03:35,740 --> 00:03:37,880 um, you know, time and effort 93 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,220 that staff is taking to make 94 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:41,480 sure that we're looking at the 95 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:42,920 right candidate. We do 96 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,520 appreciate the committees and 97 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,520 commissions that were able to 98 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,120 participate as part of the 99 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,900 interviews. And so we're very 100 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:50,400 much interested and excited 101 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,060 about hoping, um, through the 102 00:03:52,060 --> 00:03:53,860 candidate process that we find a 103 00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:54,900 candidate that's going to be 104 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:56,640 able to be successful, um, in 105 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,340 that position. So just wanted 106 00:03:58,340 --> 00:03:59,480 to take the time to make that 107 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,680 update. Um, I'll add, I was 108 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:03,500 pleased to be able to 109 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:05,540 participate in, uh, in some of 110 00:04:05,540 --> 00:04:07,480 those panels along with a 111 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,320 member of the public, uh, Susie 112 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,220 Groomer. Uh, and I was very 113 00:04:11,220 --> 00:04:12,180 impressed with the candidate 114 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:14,120 pool in total. I think the 115 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,120 hardest, um, of the three 116 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,960 pieces to get that you need to 117 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,920 get, you know, seems to be the 118 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,020 ADA. And I, um, I'm imagining 119 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:28,260 that there'd be a lot of, uh, 120 00:04:28,260 --> 00:04:29,200 further training and 121 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,140 reinforcement in that area, 122 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:33,840 whoever gets the job to share 123 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,940 that view. Absolutely. I think 124 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:38,140 that they're going to have big 125 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:39,180 shoes to fill, but we're 126 00:04:39,180 --> 00:04:40,720 definitely excited about 127 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,880 getting someone on our team, um, 128 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,980 to move forward. And so, um, 129 00:04:44,980 --> 00:04:46,360 like I said, thank you so much 130 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,880 for Councilmember Meltzer, you 131 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:48,920 being a part of the interview 132 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,320 panel, we do appreciate it very 133 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,200 much. So, um, with that, I'm 134 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,220 going to move on to the next 135 00:04:54,220 --> 00:04:56,060 item, which is the Frame Street. 136 00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:57,220 Oh, I'm sorry, Councilmember 137 00:04:57,220 --> 00:04:58,200 Amateur. How can I help you, 138 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,460 ma'am? So sorry, I looked down. 139 00:05:00,460 --> 00:05:03,600 Go ahead. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just a 140 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,480 question, uh, for, for staff or 141 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,680 for Councilmember Meltzer, 142 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,080 since you, uh, attended, uh, 143 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,680 attended that meeting and thank 144 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,880 you for attending. Um, so is it, 145 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,660 uh, your sense that, uh, the, 146 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:22,660 the specialization of the 147 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:27,120 finalists is, uh, more along 148 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,300 the, uh, bike and pedestrian 149 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:31,600 coordinator side of the, uh, 150 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,060 job description, um, and a 151 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:38,240 little weaker in the ADA area 152 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,680 with that. That's, that's, 153 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,240 that's my impression. Uh, it 154 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,620 wasn't like 100, 100, zero, but 155 00:05:45,620 --> 00:05:48,120 they're definitely, uh, I'd 156 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,080 say, you know, have particularly 157 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,460 strong straight, strong, uh, 158 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:54,920 noticeable strengths in the, in 159 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,760 the bike and pedestrian area 160 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,600 across, across the board, uh, 161 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,100 with, with, uh, varying degrees 162 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:04,000 of ADA expertise. Okay. And, 163 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,360 and thank you. And I would, uh, 164 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,900 you know, hope that, uh, uh, we 165 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:10,480 choose the person or that the 166 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,680 person gets chosen, um, who has 167 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,840 the most, uh, ADA experience, 168 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,920 assuming that, uh, they're all 169 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,720 equally qualified as far as bike 170 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:22,880 and pedestrians, bike and 171 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,380 pedestrian side goes, I would 172 00:06:25,380 --> 00:06:28,220 just, uh, advise for, for what 173 00:06:28,220 --> 00:06:31,020 it's worth, um, for what my, my 174 00:06:31,020 --> 00:06:34,600 opinion is worth, uh, that, um, 175 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,000 if the strongest candidate, uh, 176 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000 is just simply much better with, 177 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,080 uh, uh, much more experience on 178 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,800 the, um, bike and pedestrian 179 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,280 coordinator side than the ADA 180 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,380 side, then I would say, you 181 00:06:49,380 --> 00:06:50,840 know, go for that person and, 182 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:51,740 and then make the ADA 183 00:06:51,740 --> 00:06:54,120 coordinator a separate position. 184 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:54,980 I know that's something that 185 00:06:54,980 --> 00:06:56,060 would, that's brand new would 186 00:06:56,060 --> 00:06:57,060 have to come before council. 187 00:06:57,060 --> 00:06:57,860 That's not the job is 188 00:06:57,860 --> 00:07:00,620 advertised. Um, but you know, I, 189 00:07:00,620 --> 00:07:03,360 I want to get, uh, the best bike 190 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,560 and pedestrian coordinator we 191 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,860 can for the city of Denton and 192 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:07,840 the best ADA coordinator. And if 193 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:09,260 they don't coexist in the same 194 00:07:09,260 --> 00:07:11,640 person, I'm fine with that. 195 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,040 Then I would want to make those 196 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,580 separate, uh, separate 197 00:07:15,580 --> 00:07:17,780 positions that that's just, 198 00:07:17,780 --> 00:07:18,780 that's just my two cents. 199 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:21,480 Thank you very, thank you very 200 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,780 much, ma'am. I appreciate the 201 00:07:22,780 --> 00:07:24,380 feedback. Ultimately, we're 202 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:26,080 absolutely interested in finding 203 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,080 the best candidate for the 204 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,920 position and, um, you know, 205 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,460 hoping that we're successful. 206 00:07:30,460 --> 00:07:32,420 Um, if for some reason that 207 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:33,480 based on the second round of 208 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,620 interviews, we don't feel like 209 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:35,860 that we are going to be 210 00:07:35,860 --> 00:07:37,120 successful, then we will be 211 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,260 looking at, uh, reposting that 212 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:41,400 position. So I do appreciate the 213 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,360 comments and feedback. So I 214 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,300 look forward to hopefully 215 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:45,400 bringing you back additional 216 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:46,900 information in the near future. 217 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:50,780 Thank you. So the next item I'm 218 00:07:50,780 --> 00:07:52,480 going to bring to you is the 219 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,220 frame street closure. Um, I'd 220 00:07:54,220 --> 00:07:56,480 like to mention, um, that we are 221 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:57,920 going to be bringing this item 222 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,260 back to the traffic safety 223 00:08:00,260 --> 00:08:03,060 commission in May. Um, and they 224 00:08:03,060 --> 00:08:04,720 have specifically asked for more 225 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,820 details in regards to the needs 226 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:09,920 around the specific project for 227 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,560 the Denton police headquarters 228 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,940 facility. And so I am going to 229 00:08:13,940 --> 00:08:16,040 have additional folks, um, be 230 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,640 present and help present some of 231 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,740 that information. My purpose of 232 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:21,500 bringing this item to you today 233 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:23,040 is just so you can understand 234 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,380 what's going on. And it's really 235 00:08:24,380 --> 00:08:25,540 more from an informational 236 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:27,180 purpose. It has no action item. 237 00:08:27,180 --> 00:08:29,540 It's just a, um, a process that 238 00:08:29,540 --> 00:08:30,820 we're going to be going through, 239 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:34,060 um, to close a roadway, but, um, 240 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,320 obtain the right of way, um, 241 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,720 which will be explained here in a, 242 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:39,660 so I'm going to go ahead and 243 00:08:39,660 --> 00:08:42,860 start with that, uh, presentation 244 00:08:42,860 --> 00:08:46,740 and I'm going to share my screen 245 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:55,680 and let's see. 246 00:08:55,680 --> 00:09:02,040 So just a little bit of background 247 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,620 on the frame street closure. Um, 248 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:06,520 so the closure was requested from 249 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,760 the Denton police head headquarters, 250 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,720 um, construction project. I know 251 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,860 you're all aware, but that 252 00:09:11,860 --> 00:09:14,700 construction project began, uh, 253 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:18,260 early January of 2021. Um, it's 254 00:09:18,260 --> 00:09:19,900 anticipated to be substantially 255 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:23,000 complete in June of 2022. This 256 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,640 closure was requested by the 257 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Denton police department, um, for 258 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,280 security reasons, as you can 259 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,840 imagine, um, currently right now, 260 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,520 um, there's not a secure location. 261 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,280 Um, as far as a fenced in 262 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,820 location where, um, if they need 263 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:40,220 to bring individuals into their 264 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:43,120 facility, um, from their police 265 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,460 cars, that they have a secure 266 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:46,200 location. So this is really a 267 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,220 request by the police department 268 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:49,700 and that's something that will be 269 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:51,860 expanded on at the next traffic 270 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:54,140 safety commission meeting, um, in, 271 00:09:54,140 --> 00:09:55,900 in greater detail by, uh, the 272 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:57,000 individuals from our police 273 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,340 department. Um, and following the 274 00:09:59,340 --> 00:10:00,980 feedback from the traffic safety 275 00:10:00,980 --> 00:10:03,140 commission, um, which, like I 276 00:10:03,140 --> 00:10:05,480 mentioned, we presented on Monday, 277 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,020 but we will be bringing this back 278 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:10,380 on May 17th. Um, and then also 279 00:10:10,380 --> 00:10:12,520 just the awareness of the process 280 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,320 from you. And we are going to be 281 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,020 coordinating with the adjacent 282 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:17,800 residents and business owners 283 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,820 through our public affairs 284 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:20,420 department. And we've been 285 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:21,560 currently coordinating with the 286 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:22,920 solids waste department, as you 287 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,640 can mention, and it'll be better 288 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:25,800 explained once you can actually 289 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,160 see the picture. Um, so one of 290 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,140 the things that you'll see 291 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:35,340 specifically is, um, the, uh, 292 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:36,980 solid waste perspective of the 293 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:38,740 dumpsters and where those things 294 00:10:38,740 --> 00:10:40,920 are actually located so that, uh, 295 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,020 the, uh, the solid waste can get 296 00:10:43,020 --> 00:10:44,880 over there and, uh, take the 297 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,680 trash from that facility. And 298 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:47,420 we're going to be working 299 00:10:47,420 --> 00:10:48,220 through that. There are some 300 00:10:48,220 --> 00:10:49,460 interim steps that already have 301 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:51,260 happened for the actual dumpster 302 00:10:51,260 --> 00:10:52,660 locations and then obviously the 303 00:10:52,660 --> 00:10:54,600 permanent locations. Um, and then 304 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,860 signage will be installed to 305 00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:57,620 notify motorists about changes to 306 00:10:57,620 --> 00:10:58,700 traffic patterns. And then 307 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:00,700 obviously updating the city's 308 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:04,380 GIS map system. So just to give 309 00:11:04,380 --> 00:11:06,380 you an overall picture, um, 310 00:11:06,380 --> 00:11:08,240 basically kind of the yellow 311 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,340 highlighted area is the area of 312 00:11:10,340 --> 00:11:12,280 which would be completely, um, 313 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,840 uh, fenced in, um, around this 314 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,120 area, but the overall Denton PD, 315 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,380 uh, obviously there won't be 316 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:19,520 fencing in the front, but the 317 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,080 overall Denton PD facility is, 318 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,880 uh, really kind of this, uh, 319 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,960 yellow highlighted area. Um, the 320 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,860 proposed closures, this is frame 321 00:11:28,860 --> 00:11:30,700 street that runs north and south. 322 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:32,100 And this actually, believe it or 323 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,560 not, is Oak street that runs 324 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:35,860 east or west. And so the overall 325 00:11:35,860 --> 00:11:37,300 closure would be where you see 326 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:39,400 the red line here and the red 327 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,940 line here, which would allow for 328 00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:44,300 a fence here that would open 329 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:46,520 when the PD were to come in, um, 330 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,580 they could park in this 331 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:49,380 vicinity. And I'll show you on 332 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:50,620 the next picture, which is a 333 00:11:50,620 --> 00:11:52,320 graphical representation of what 334 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,320 the final, uh, look is of the 335 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,520 Denton PD facility. Um, but just 336 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,420 wanted to kind of show you, 337 00:11:57,420 --> 00:11:58,460 cause the next picture is going 338 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:00,060 to get a little bit busier. So, 339 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:02,900 um, what you can see from this 340 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:04,500 overall picture that I was 341 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:07,100 provided from the Denton police 342 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:09,000 facility, um, this existing 343 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,600 building, um, is obviously under 344 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,640 renovation. Um, this is 345 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,400 exposition street where there 346 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,640 are parking spaces, um, and 347 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,080 there will be a security 348 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,180 perimeter fence that's located, 349 00:12:21,180 --> 00:12:23,520 um, in this area. There'll be a 350 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,880 security entrance in this 351 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,360 location and the purpose of 352 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,220 closing this roadway. You can 353 00:12:29,220 --> 00:12:30,960 see the security entrance here 354 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,620 and the security entrance here. 355 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:35,120 So that the Denton police 356 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,800 facility, um, would be an access 357 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,300 for all of the police department 358 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,160 to be able to come in, park 359 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,640 either in this secure parking 360 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,840 space or in this secure police 361 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,040 parking space. Um, you can see 362 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,580 this perimeter fence. It's kind 363 00:12:48,580 --> 00:12:50,100 of the line that you see with 364 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:51,040 the straight line with the 365 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,080 circles. It would go around the 366 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,580 facility. There'd also be 367 00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:55,680 another entrance in this 368 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,820 location, um, putting the fence 369 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:00,980 and the actual entrance in this 370 00:13:00,980 --> 00:13:02,320 location along with this 371 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,560 location still allows access 372 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,300 for this individual along with 373 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:08,600 these individuals, um, also 374 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,100 with this individual right here. 375 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:11,200 So that was something that was 376 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,500 very important to us to make 377 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:13,660 sure that everyone still had 378 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:16,340 access to their properties. Um, 379 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,300 you also will see that they're 380 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:19,980 going to be some future dumpsters 381 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:21,840 in some of these locations. I'd 382 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,440 like to point out that the jail 383 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,120 entrance would actually be back 384 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,520 in this area. Um, and so, you 385 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,020 know, the new Sally port entry 386 00:13:30,020 --> 00:13:32,020 is, is, uh, in this area. And 387 00:13:32,020 --> 00:13:33,620 then the secure police only 388 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:35,920 entry would be in this area. So 389 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,900 the fence would allow for the 390 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,600 folks to drive in, park in the 391 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,100 location. Um, and this would 392 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:44,100 not be an open access to the 393 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:49,380 public. So really our next steps 394 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:50,840 were to address any comments 395 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,140 that were received and we 396 00:13:52,140 --> 00:13:53,400 received quite a few comments 397 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,680 from traffic safety commission 398 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:56,280 just from the standpoint that 399 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,120 they'd like more information 400 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,680 specifically related to the 401 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,320 needs of the police department. 402 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,260 They also wanted to find out 403 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:05,180 more information in regards to, 404 00:14:05,180 --> 00:14:07,060 um, several comments were made 405 00:14:07,060 --> 00:14:09,220 specifically related to this is 406 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:10,460 an area where currently 407 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:12,020 pedestrians are walking from 408 00:14:12,020 --> 00:14:14,060 their point of view. And also 409 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:15,700 according to some strata heat 410 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:17,260 maps, this is where bicyclists 411 00:14:17,260 --> 00:14:19,260 are actually, um, Traversing 412 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:22,000 through. Um, and so we're going 413 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,600 to be looking into those, uh, 414 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,080 questions and comments that came 415 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,420 up along with the fact that they 416 00:14:27,420 --> 00:14:28,780 wanted to make sure that folks 417 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:31,480 had access to cross McKinney 418 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,320 street appropriately. It's our 419 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,480 understanding from the traffic 420 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,520 safety commission meeting that 421 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,680 folks riding a bicycle are, um, 422 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,160 traversing from, um, the 423 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,860 southern side of frame street 424 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:45,400 onto the northern side of frame 425 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,920 street or vice versa. Um, and so 426 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,160 we want to make sure that folks 427 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,340 have access. Um, then the life 428 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:54,500 that is actually a secured, um, 429 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:57,140 location, um, is not located 430 00:14:57,140 --> 00:14:58,740 until wood street, but we are 431 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:00,200 looking at those pedestrian and 432 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,720 mobility perspectives, not only 433 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,480 from a vehicular perspective, 434 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,220 but also from a bicycle and 435 00:15:05,220 --> 00:15:06,480 pedestrian. And so those are the 436 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,680 questions that comments that 437 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,020 came up during traffic safety 438 00:15:09,020 --> 00:15:10,620 commission that are important to 439 00:15:10,620 --> 00:15:12,060 us to be able to address so that 440 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:14,360 we can bring that item back. Um, 441 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,520 the ordinance that would be 442 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,600 processed, which will later come 443 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,700 to city council, it was 444 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:20,760 anticipated to come on the 27th. 445 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,400 Um, but due to the comments that 446 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,660 came up through traffic safety 447 00:15:23,660 --> 00:15:24,840 commission, we will not be 448 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,040 bringing that back to council 449 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,980 until late May, um, because I 450 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:29,000 want to make sure we walk 451 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,340 through the process of addressing 452 00:15:30,340 --> 00:15:31,540 all the current concerns and 453 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:34,280 questions that came up, um, from 454 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,520 that traffic safety commission 455 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,020 meeting that I keep referencing. 456 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,080 And so through that we will, uh, 457 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,120 make, uh, all of the, uh, 458 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,960 recommendations, uh, talk about 459 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,480 the capital projects that are in 460 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,960 the area. If there's any 461 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,220 additional safety, um, concerns 462 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:50,700 or any additional, uh, mobility, 463 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,600 uh, comments, um, that we need 464 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,040 to address, we're going to do 465 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,860 that, um, before coming back to 466 00:15:55,860 --> 00:15:57,160 that traffic safety commission 467 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,600 meeting, um, which is the third, 468 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,680 uh, Monday of the month of May. 469 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,140 So with that, I'm going to stop 470 00:16:05,140 --> 00:16:06,840 sharing and see if any of you 471 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,380 have any specific questions, 472 00:16:08,380 --> 00:16:09,420 really, like I mentioned, that 473 00:16:09,420 --> 00:16:10,840 was the informational item, just 474 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,260 so you can kind of understand, 475 00:16:12,260 --> 00:16:14,820 um, what staff has been asked to 476 00:16:14,820 --> 00:16:17,260 do, um, with that closure of the 477 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:18,800 frame street, we're calling it, 478 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,260 but it actually is frame and oak 479 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:22,160 street. Um, and just to explain 480 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,400 to you that through that traffic 481 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,660 safety commission meeting, there 482 00:16:24,660 --> 00:16:26,060 were several questions that came 483 00:16:26,060 --> 00:16:27,600 up, not just from the vehicular 484 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,700 traffic movement, um, but also 485 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:31,400 from the bicycle and pedestrian 486 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,900 movement. And so we want to make 487 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:34,400 sure we address those, bring 488 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,980 those back to traffic safety. 489 00:16:35,980 --> 00:16:38,380 And then we're happy to also 490 00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:40,180 bring that same presentation as a 491 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:42,380 staff update to you, um, at the 492 00:16:42,380 --> 00:16:44,220 next, uh, mobility committee 493 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:46,080 meeting also. So with that, I'll 494 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,120 pause and see if you have any 495 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,120 questions, questions, comments. 496 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,900 I'll kick in a couple while you 497 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:57,900 think about it. Um, I, uh, uh, 498 00:16:57,900 --> 00:16:59,600 got some input that, uh, 499 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,600 resonates with what you heard 500 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,700 from the traffic safety, uh, 501 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:04,540 committee about bike and 502 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:06,740 pedestrian. And, uh, I'll leave 503 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:08,380 you the question, you don't need 504 00:17:08,380 --> 00:17:09,440 to answer, but just a question 505 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,280 about whether there might be, uh, 506 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,080 consideration of an extension 507 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,980 in the future of the, of the 508 00:17:16,980 --> 00:17:20,560 rail trail, trail through that 509 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,360 area and ultimately connecting 510 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,420 to Quaker town park. And if so, 511 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:26,620 and that seems to resonate with, 512 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:27,700 you know, the feedback you were 513 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:29,000 getting that there's kind of a 514 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,340 natural, uh, uh, draw to get to 515 00:17:33,340 --> 00:17:35,300 that route. If so, would that 516 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:37,200 alter any of the plan? So again, 517 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,340 that's just a question to leave 518 00:17:38,340 --> 00:17:42,700 you with. And, um, uh, yeah, 519 00:17:42,740 --> 00:17:43,980 I'll, I'll leave it at that. 520 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:46,880 There's an, that's it. Any, any, 521 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,740 any other questions or comments? 522 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:52,280 Nope. We're good. Okay. Thanks. 523 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,680 Uh, no problem. I appreciate 524 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,320 that so much. And so the last 525 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,380 item we have for you today, um, 526 00:17:58,380 --> 00:17:59,520 is going to be presented by 527 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,360 Daniel Kramer. Um, he is, uh, 528 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:03,860 going to be talking about the 529 00:18:03,860 --> 00:18:05,660 Hinkle drive roundabout. This 530 00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:07,260 item will be coming to council 531 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:09,460 on April 27th. And this is more 532 00:18:09,460 --> 00:18:11,700 of an informational presentation 533 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,500 for you, um, specifically 534 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:15,100 related to the Hinkle drive 535 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,000 roundabout and some of the 536 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,680 questions and concerns that have 537 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,320 been raised. And so we thought 538 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,480 it would be important to bring 539 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,480 this to you so you could 540 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,980 understand, um, uh, the, the 541 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:26,760 information that we have to date 542 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,720 and, uh, the evaluation that has 543 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,360 been completed. So with that, I 544 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:32,800 am going to make sure Danny's 545 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,960 all set up and get everything 546 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:49,800 turned over to him. 547 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:26,220 Okay. Good morning. Apologize 548 00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:30,280 for that. Let me pull up the 549 00:19:30,820 --> 00:19:52,260 presentation. Okay. So we are 550 00:19:52,260 --> 00:19:54,800 here to talk about the Hinkle 551 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,400 roundabout, which is located at 552 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,640 the intersection of Hinkle and 553 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,520 Mimosa. Uh, this is a mini 554 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,520 roundabout, um, and we're going 555 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:05,620 to talk about some of the issues 556 00:20:05,620 --> 00:20:06,920 and the purpose of a roundabout 557 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,080 and a little bit of a project 558 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,280 background to start off with. 559 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,260 You know, a roundabout in 560 00:20:11,260 --> 00:20:14,120 general is used to, uh, slow 561 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,200 down vehicular, uh, movement as 562 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,860 a traffic common device, but 563 00:20:17,860 --> 00:20:19,540 also still keep it moving, 564 00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:20,840 unlike a four way stop or a 565 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,400 signalized intersection. It 566 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,140 also can reduce the accident 567 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:26,400 severity because you're only 568 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,940 looking one way when you're, uh, 569 00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:29,080 going through the intersection 570 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,340 instead of having to check all 571 00:20:30,340 --> 00:20:32,780 directions, um, in a four way 572 00:20:32,780 --> 00:20:34,980 or intersection, uh, signalized 573 00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:37,820 intersection. Uh, it has some 574 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:39,560 benefits with, uh, maintenance 575 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,320 costs are actually reduced 576 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,680 compared to a normal signalized 577 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,260 intersection. And as I stated 578 00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:46,860 before, it also makes sure that, 579 00:20:46,860 --> 00:20:48,720 uh, vehicles are constantly 580 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,020 moving through the intersection 581 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:51,840 instead of where we look at with 582 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,640 a, um, a full stop where you're 583 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,260 actually, vehicles are coming to 584 00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:57,540 complete stop and having to wait 585 00:20:57,540 --> 00:20:59,640 before they can proceed. Uh, 586 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,600 this project was actually an 587 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,540 add-on to that, to Magnolia 588 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:06,880 drainage, um, in early 2019 and 589 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,520 it was substantially completed 590 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,880 in October of 2020 and we're 591 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,560 still continuing a few sidewalk 592 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,960 improvements in the area that 593 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,620 will should be completed by May 594 00:21:15,620 --> 00:21:19,760 of 2021. Uh, we've had some, 595 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,520 uh, concerns that have been 596 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,700 brought to our attention about 597 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:25,200 the roundabout. Um, those have 598 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,860 come in the form of two engaged 599 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:29,680 dent and request, um, two requests 600 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,040 that were forwarded from, um, 601 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,080 uh, council members and also two 602 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,780 calls to the Denton Police 603 00:21:35,780 --> 00:21:38,020 Department, um, about some issues 604 00:21:38,020 --> 00:21:39,320 with the roundabout. Most of 605 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,660 those have consisted of it being 606 00:21:41,660 --> 00:21:43,620 a little confusing. Um, a 607 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:46,620 roundabout is not a standard set 608 00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:48,500 up here in Denton at the moment. 609 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,220 We are getting more and having 610 00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:53,160 more come into the area. Uh, but 611 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,540 it's, uh, something a little 612 00:21:54,540 --> 00:21:55,400 different that motorists are 613 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,860 having to get used to, uh, 614 00:21:56,860 --> 00:21:59,700 traversing. Also the emergency 615 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:01,380 vehicles, since this being a 616 00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:02,540 mini roundabout, the way it's 617 00:22:02,540 --> 00:22:05,000 designed is they are, they are 618 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,040 supposed to drive over the 619 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,420 center, uh, curb to be able to 620 00:22:08,420 --> 00:22:09,740 traverse it. Larger vehicles, 621 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:11,620 uh, fire trucks, ambulances, 622 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:13,620 uh, solid waste vehicles and 623 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:15,080 et cetera do drive around that. 624 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,280 Um, one of those concerns that 625 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,100 was also brought up was a 626 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:24,120 visibility at night and staff 627 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,320 put a, um, hired a firm to go 628 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,260 through and do a photometric 629 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:30,640 study. And we did receive those 630 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,960 results at the end of March and 631 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,440 based on the results, the 632 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,640 Hinkle, on Hinkle, what they 633 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,180 recommended is adding some 634 00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:39,380 extra reflective pavement 635 00:22:39,380 --> 00:22:41,280 markings on the median noses to 636 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,640 help make that so you can see 637 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,340 those, uh, easier at night. Uh, 638 00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:47,520 addition of some raised pavement 639 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,480 markings in the area and also 640 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,620 upgrade the current lighting and 641 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:54,160 add additional light poles in 642 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,820 the area, uh, to create more 643 00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:58,620 light on the circle itself. On 644 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:00,800 Mimosa, what they did recommend 645 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,640 is modifying the curb geometry. 646 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,060 Uh, there are some issues with, 647 00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:09,000 um, residents parking close to 648 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,200 the entrance of the roundabout. 649 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,680 So what that is, is extending 650 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,680 the, um, the road, uh, narrowing 651 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,220 a little bit farther down so 652 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:21,580 that there's plenty of room for, 653 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:23,820 um, motorists as they come up to 654 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:24,880 be able to get in the full lane 655 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,020 and see where the roundabout is 656 00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:27,360 and see that, and also checking 657 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:28,360 with the medians in the middle 658 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,700 of the road, um, on Mimosa and 659 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:31,800 Hinkle and making sure that 660 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,100 they're not sticking too far out 661 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:35,100 on the curves on that. Now, 662 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,400 based off our estimates, we are 663 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,360 looking at around $22,000 to 664 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,800 implement these changes. Um, the 665 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,300 additional light poles and 666 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:44,240 upgrade to current light 667 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,140 fixtures. There is a 668 00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:48,520 presentation which is coming to 669 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,720 council on the 27th by DME, 670 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,220 which will cover the, uh, the 671 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:55,060 migratory birds and also the 672 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:57,520 neighborhood lighting plan. So 673 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,060 based off that recommendation is 674 00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:01,960 how we will look at additional 675 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,460 lighting and upgrading the 676 00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:04,560 current lighting fixtures in 677 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,400 that area. Uh, it was also 678 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,040 brought up as a concern of 679 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,100 asking about removal of the 680 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,240 roundabout. So, uh, we want to 681 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:14,900 go through a few of the 682 00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:17,040 concerns on that. Um, one of 683 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,680 those is if we do that, all the 684 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,180 vehicles will be required to 685 00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:22,240 stop at the intersection, which 686 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,920 is going to cause, could cause 687 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,180 some backup and some issues of 688 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:26,980 flow there, unlike the 689 00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:28,560 roundabout, which keeps traffic 690 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,260 constantly moving. Um, also, 691 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:33,020 uh, stop signs are not always 692 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:35,520 observed 100% of the time by 693 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,600 all motorists. Uh, so there is 694 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,740 issues with that and also on the 695 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:42,960 right to proceed. Um, still 696 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,740 there are some issues with, um, 697 00:24:44,740 --> 00:24:46,440 citizens motorists not knowing 698 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,540 which way to go, um, at a four 699 00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:51,240 way stop when vehicles come to 700 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,520 the stop at the same time. Also, 701 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,240 year to date, we've incurred 702 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,480 right at $137,000, uh, to 703 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,160 install the roundabout and the 704 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,220 improvements that we've made so 705 00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:03,820 far. Some of the benefits are 706 00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:05,860 it is a more of a typical 707 00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:07,660 intersection stop. So more 708 00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:09,020 people will be familiar with it 709 00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:10,460 and be able to run it more than 710 00:25:10,460 --> 00:25:13,760 a roundabout. Um, and also the 711 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,260 striping, there is a reduced 712 00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:16,940 cost on striping and signage for 713 00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:18,700 that. Uh, based on our 714 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:19,700 estimates, we are looking at 715 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:22,300 around $140,000 to remove the 716 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:23,880 roundabout and replace it back 717 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,040 with a standard stopped 718 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,740 intersection. Based off the 719 00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:31,180 information and what we've 720 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:32,540 looked at, uh, staff does 721 00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:33,880 recommend maintaining the 722 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,920 existing roundabout and making 723 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,420 the upgrades recommended by the 724 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:39,020 photometric study to improve 725 00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:41,820 the visibility. Um, as I stated, 726 00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:44,160 we will be working with DME, uh, 727 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,620 from the feedback and the 728 00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:46,800 council direction that's given 729 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,900 on the 27th for the led 730 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,540 lighting and migratory bird 731 00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:52,040 issues on the actual street 732 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,640 light, um, implementation and 733 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,840 make sure we do not affect that 734 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,700 from there. And with that, I 735 00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,320 will take down the presentation 736 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,420 and if there's any comments, uh, 737 00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:04,320 we can go through there. 738 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,860 Hey, questions, comments, 739 00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:09,820 council member Armitter. 740 00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:13,420 Uh, so, I mean, first I wanted 741 00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:14,760 to say thanks to staff for 742 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,120 working through these problems. 743 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,560 I know I was, you know, one of 744 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,960 the, uh, people who was, uh, 745 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760 uh, receiving, uh, you know, 746 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,640 complaints about, uh, safety 747 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,980 issues and on, and at that 748 00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:30,180 roundabout, um, I, I definitely 749 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:32,480 do not support removing the 750 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,340 roundabout, uh, anytime issues 751 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:37,780 come up regarding a roundabout, 752 00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:39,380 uh, where people agree there's a 753 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:40,760 problem. People tend to divide 754 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,460 into two camps. Roughly, you 755 00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:44,320 know, there are people who say 756 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,500 roundabouts are terrible. Uh, 757 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,600 and, you know, then there are 758 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,260 others that who, um, uh, you 759 00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:53,540 know, understand the need for a 760 00:26:53,540 --> 00:26:55,700 roundabout in that area or, you 761 00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:56,400 know, don't have anything 762 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,500 against roundabouts. They just 763 00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,540 want to problem solve. Uh, so, 764 00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:01,440 you know, it's the difference 765 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,740 between, you know, saying, um, 766 00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:05,320 you know, uh, marriage is 767 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,740 terrible and then saying, well, 768 00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:07,880 maybe I should marry somebody 769 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,020 else, right? Don't throw out the 770 00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:10,320 baby with the bath water. So 771 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,120 anyway, I just, uh, I just 772 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,580 wanted to make clear, you know, 773 00:27:13,580 --> 00:27:15,320 that I have always, uh, 774 00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:17,060 supported a roundabout in this 775 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:19,820 area. It makes sense. Um, I 776 00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:21,200 just want to clarify. So you 777 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,360 mentioned to the lighting at 778 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,060 the, did you say the nose of 779 00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:26,400 the median or the 780 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,300 Yes. So what we are looking at 781 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:30,300 is some good pavement 782 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,240 reflectors that will actually, 783 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,840 um, put off more light and be 784 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,040 able to see that more visibly 785 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,180 at night. Uh, the, also the 786 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:40,440 photometric study, um, also 787 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,220 showed adding a few more stop, 788 00:27:42,220 --> 00:27:43,820 uh, few more street lights in 789 00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:46,760 the area. And, uh, right now 790 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,860 that is currently not our city 791 00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:51,960 standard and would also produce 792 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,520 quite a bit of light in the 793 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,360 area, which is, is not a bad 794 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,460 thing, but we do want to make 795 00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:58,760 sure that we are, uh, working 796 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,660 with DME and council direction 797 00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:02,440 that will be given on the 27th, 798 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,200 uh, for neighborhood lighting 799 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,740 plans and also the migratory 800 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:10,740 birds on that. But with what we 801 00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:14,720 can do, um, right away after we 802 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,020 go through council on the 27th 803 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:17,040 with this presentation and get 804 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,460 direction, uh, we can get those 805 00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:21,080 reflectors up, which will 806 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,760 visibly show that a lot better 807 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,400 and also, uh, some of the led 808 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,800 marking lights will actually 809 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,160 give a better signage and better 810 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,160 visibility at night. 811 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,600 Okay. And, and will this be, so 812 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,800 does this mean the whole 813 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,140 periphery or the, the whole 814 00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:39,780 circumference of the roundabout 815 00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:42,880 will be illuminated or just 816 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,180 certain parts of it? 817 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:48,880 So, and, and I do apologize. 818 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,320 I haven't got the, the pictures 819 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,220 added to it. I will have some 820 00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:52,420 more pictures of exactly what 821 00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:53,480 we're looking at for the 822 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,620 council presentation. There was 823 00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:55,860 some feedback that I got 824 00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:57,700 yesterday on the presentation, 825 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,220 but yes, it'll be a strip that 826 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:00,020 will go around the whole 827 00:29:00,020 --> 00:29:01,520 circumference on all of that. 828 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,360 And it is drive over. Um, so it 829 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,440 is, it'll actually reflect that 830 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,200 and you'll be able to see it as 831 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,440 you're coming up to it at night 832 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,240 and make it a lot clearer. 833 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,840 Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. I 834 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,080 really think that'll make a big 835 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,280 difference. Um, and, uh, 836 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,620 secondly, you know, my, my, my 837 00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:21,120 other question, you know, has to 838 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,120 do with the problem of, uh, uh, 839 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,380 fire engines are, or just, you 840 00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:27,820 know, any larger vehicle kind of 841 00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:29,960 going around it, can it, can you 842 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,760 speak to how, because, you know, 843 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,120 there were some signs that had 844 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,140 been knocked down, uh, from 845 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:38,500 vehicles, you know, trying to 846 00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:39,740 get around, can you kind of 847 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:41,640 speak to how that, how this 848 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,000 will specifically resolve that 849 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,640 issue? Well, for larger vehicles 850 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,840 traversing straight through it, 851 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,820 um, it is designed for them to 852 00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:51,940 drive over the center, um, as 853 00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:53,620 in fire trucks, what we have 854 00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,660 noticed, uh, while we have been 855 00:29:55,660 --> 00:29:56,760 out there, while the crews have 856 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,880 been out there replacing the 857 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,860 signs that have been knocked 858 00:29:58,860 --> 00:30:00,700 down on the corners. A lot of 859 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:02,760 that is from the construction 860 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,020 traffic with large trailers that 861 00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:06,760 are running in and out of the 862 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,100 new fireside development when 863 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:10,660 they come in. Uh, larger trailers 864 00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:11,740 when you're trying to make that, 865 00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:13,400 that turn to go in there, the 866 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,600 trailer is swinging out a little 867 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,800 bit and clipping the corner of 868 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,240 the sign. So what we are looking 869 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,680 at is, uh, moving the sign back 870 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,480 just a little bit, um, which 871 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,980 should help with that. And also, 872 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:29,920 um, with some of the radiuses 873 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,260 that we can adjust in the middle 874 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:33,500 of Hinkle and Mimosa, uh, we 875 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:35,060 might be able to, uh, give them 876 00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:36,900 a little more leeway to be able 877 00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:38,600 to swing that corner a little 878 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,400 wider on that. After the 879 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,500 construction is finished in 880 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:44,460 there, uh, there will not be as 881 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:45,760 many trailers that are 882 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,160 traversing and turning back and 883 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,980 forth into the neighborhood. A 884 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,040 standard vehicle like a fire 885 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,100 truck that is, um, does not have 886 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:55,240 a trailer behind it and it's 887 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,120 not connected, usually does not 888 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,380 have those issues while making 889 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:00,080 those, those wide turns. 890 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,880 Okay, great. And, and, and sorry, 891 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,980 I know I said that was my last 892 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:05,020 question, but that makes me 893 00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:07,260 think of a follow up question. 894 00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:09,760 Um, so I, I know that obviously 895 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,060 the point of a roundabout is to 896 00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:15,160 keep traffic moving. Um, would 897 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,660 it make any sense? Um, and the 898 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:19,260 answer might be no, uh, but 899 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:20,540 would it make any sense to put 900 00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:22,500 one of those temporary speed 901 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:26,440 bumps, uh, that you all have at 902 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,640 some point, not, not in the 903 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,440 roundabout, but you know, leading 904 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,120 up to the roundabout on either 905 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,880 side, just to make, um, you know, 906 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,060 some construction vehicle, large 907 00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:38,960 vehicle that's just thinking 908 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,860 about getting from, you know, 909 00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:43,360 point a to point B just to force 910 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,560 them to slow down. Would that 911 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,900 make any sense or would that be 912 00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,700 a bad idea? I'm not invested one 913 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,840 way or the other, just that is 914 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,800 something we can definitely look 915 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,380 at, um, off hand. I'm not a 916 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:57,200 hundred percent sure that will 917 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,640 work, but I will definitely bring 918 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,740 it up with traffic engineering 919 00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:01,180 and we can look into that option. 920 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:03,840 Okay. And thank you just as long 921 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,680 as I understand that this is not 922 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,120 something I'm, you know, a battle 923 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,480 I'm waging. It just, it just 924 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,780 occurred to me just to make 925 00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:13,460 people, cause it would help, I 926 00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:14,400 think, to make people just 927 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,320 slightly slow down before they 928 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,560 get to the roundabout and reflect 929 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,860 that this is a roundabout, you 930 00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:24,400 know, the, at the, at the Bonnie 931 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Bray, uh, roundabout, there are 932 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,140 all those signs that make you do 933 00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:32,840 that. Uh, so anyway, temporary 934 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,240 speed bump, not permanent might, 935 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,520 might be a good idea. We will 936 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,080 definitely put it on the list to 937 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,120 look into this, ma'am. 938 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,160 That's all right. Questions, 939 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,320 comments. Good. Um, uh, I have, 940 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,200 uh, a few that to me, the central 941 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,260 issue is not ambient lighting or 942 00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:57,340 lighting from the top. It's the 943 00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:59,140 fact that, uh, you know, speak 944 00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:00,300 as a lay person at somebody who 945 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:01,740 has driven through there, it's 946 00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:03,200 the fact that, you know, the 947 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,180 height is below where your eyes 948 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:08,280 normally are, you know, for a 949 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,040 car. So I don't think lighting 950 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,440 on top and that that's kind of 951 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,940 the bulk of the expense there 952 00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:14,720 too, is really to the point. 953 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,860 There, uh, reflectors around the 954 00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:19,480 perimeter make all kinds of 955 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,320 sense. Uh, I think I sent a 956 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,660 picture or I made some kind of a 957 00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:25,560 comment, um, I may have sent a 958 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,000 picture to staff of, uh, when I 959 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,960 saw an Ardmore, Oklahoma, uh, 960 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,700 similar deal. And they actually 961 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:36,200 had a moving light that goes 962 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,480 around the top. So, you know, 963 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,500 you, you'd notice it from a 964 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:42,740 distance. Um, I think, uh, uh, 965 00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:44,480 council member Armitage, uh, uh, 966 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,540 really good idea there on either, 967 00:33:46,540 --> 00:33:49,320 whether it's speed bump or rumble 968 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,080 strip or something that uses a 969 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,960 different sense, because we know 970 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,260 that the visual is going to be 971 00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:56,160 limited, you know, well, I think 972 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,520 that's, uh, that makes all kinds 973 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,200 of sense. And I, uh, I do hope 974 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,060 you'll evaluate that, uh, too. 975 00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:08,140 Then, uh, last bit of, uh, input 976 00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:10,600 I'd like to offer is, uh, I've 977 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,440 heard that it's troubling. This 978 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,640 one hasn't come up yet in the 979 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,980 list of issues, but that it's 980 00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:20,040 troubling that the bike lanes 981 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,920 basically take you into the 982 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,020 traffic and dead end. And I know 983 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:26,660 the intention is to communicate. 984 00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:29,180 Don't go into traffic and get 985 00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:32,600 hit, get off, walk around. Um, I 986 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,560 think, uh, bike enthusiasts will 987 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,800 tell you they won't be inclined 988 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,860 to do it, that they would be 989 00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:39,900 inclined to just keep moving with 990 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:43,040 traffic. Um, now I did actually 991 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,380 ask all those experts in the 992 00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:47,600 panel that we recently had, uh, 993 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,580 you know, uh, interviewing and, 994 00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:51,620 and there was not a lot of 995 00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:53,320 support for the idea of adding a 996 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,280 bike lane around. Uh, they, from 997 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,080 a safety point of view, they, 998 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,560 there seemed to be consensus, uh, 999 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,120 to, to move the cyclists off and 1000 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,300 route them around. Uh, but I 1001 00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:07,860 don't think there's any 1002 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:08,700 indication that that's what you're 1003 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:10,000 supposed to do. It looks like 1004 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,940 drive here, end up in the middle 1005 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:14,800 of traffic. So something to think 1006 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,840 about, um, that's all I have. And, 1007 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,640 uh, if there is nothing else, uh, 1008 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,920 I would like to hold on the 1009 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,120 second part of staff reports. Oh, 1010 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,120 council member Roy, go ahead. 1011 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,620 Something that just dawned on me 1012 00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:34,260 was the down on Hickory Creek, 1013 00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:36,000 we've got the heavy curves that 1014 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,260 when traffic comes, it does a 1015 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,460 flash. So it's not a constant 1016 00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:40,660 light. It's only when there is 1017 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,300 vehicular movement on the road, 1018 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:43,560 that that might be a better way 1019 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,940 to, to kind of help with that as 1020 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:48,500 far as pre signaling that you 1021 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:49,240 need to slow up. 1022 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,100 See, you don't need engineers. 1023 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:52,240 You have all the talent, right? 1024 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:56,320 Yeah. So we, we will definitely 1025 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,880 look at those options and, uh, 1026 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,960 council member Meltzer. I also 1027 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,020 wanted to let you know that was 1028 00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:01,960 another, uh, about the bike lanes 1029 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,280 was brought up in traffic safety. 1030 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,600 Um, and that is something that we 1031 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,500 will be looking at the bike lane 1032 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,760 in pedestrian connectivity across 1033 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,960 the city and all this. And we 1034 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:12,900 will also be looking at it in 1035 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:14,600 this area, especially while we're 1036 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,540 out there making some 1037 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,200 modifications to the curves and 1038 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,780 doing that. So that is on our 1039 00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:19,340 list. Yes, sir. 1040 00:36:19,340 --> 00:36:20,980 Thanks for bringing this item 1041 00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:24,340 to us. Um, and, uh, thanks to my 1042 00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:25,580 colleagues for good suggestions. 1043 00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:28,140 So I want to hold off on the 1044 00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:29,580 identified items of interest for 1045 00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:30,980 future consideration, just in 1046 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:33,420 case the other, uh, items on our 1047 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:37,360 agenda spark any, uh, ideas, uh, 1048 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,100 for members here and, and, uh, 1049 00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,300 thanks for your patience, Mr. 1050 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:42,360 Bolster. I'm going to go ahead 1051 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,100 and open or reopen item B, 1052 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:46,500 receive a report and hold a 1053 00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:47,760 discussion regarding city debt 1054 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,860 and transportation slash mobility 1055 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:51,200 project status report. 1056 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:58,620 You're on job. 1057 00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:21,860 Thank you. 1058 00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:58,860 We are pulling up the report now, and as soon as it's up we'll begin. 1059 00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:27,860 If you can just go to the 2181 report, we'll just go right into that. 1060 00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:29,860 The rest of it is just funding issues. 1061 00:38:29,860 --> 00:38:35,860 So on the -- can we make that a little bit smaller so we can see the whole page? 1062 00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:37,860 There we go. 1063 00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:40,860 So the 2181 project is under construction. 1064 00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:48,860 On the next page you'll see the text out report. 1065 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:58,860 Most of the work we're doing right now is still with very sundry culverts and crossings and significant drainage issues. 1066 00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:03,860 And it seems like every time we put a -- back on the ground we find something else we got to deal with. 1067 00:39:03,860 --> 00:39:15,860 So right now we're dealing with several gas, school, and fiber issues, and we're meeting everybody in the field to try to get it resolved. 1068 00:39:15,860 --> 00:39:24,860 But we're still essentially on track for our March 22 completion date on this project. 1069 00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:27,860 If there's no questions we can move to the next one. 1070 00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:30,860 Forward drive, this project is essentially complete. 1071 00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:43,860 The new news is hopefully mobility members and council staff have received or will be receiving an invitation to the ribbon cutting. 1072 00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:48,860 I think we now know that it's going to be at that smokehouse location. 1073 00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:57,860 And if it's inclement weather, they've provided us with a place indoors to hold the event in that event. 1074 00:39:57,860 --> 00:40:08,860 But that's essentially what's left is just to kind of celebrate 10 and a half long years to get this project completed. 1075 00:40:08,860 --> 00:40:15,860 Next. 1076 00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:16,860 Okay. 1077 00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:18,860 So this is the 35V Mayhill project. 1078 00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:22,860 You'll see that all of the dates have changed. 1079 00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:34,860 And the reason we're changing the dates is because if you look in the PSNE portion of the report, we're adding braided ramps both northbound and southbound at Brinker. 1080 00:40:34,860 --> 00:40:42,860 And for those of you that travel that area, you'll know that the frontage roads are constantly backed up due to the signal at Brinker. 1081 00:40:42,860 --> 00:41:03,860 What these additional plans will do is add a bypass frontage road up with the level of the main lane so that you can get from exiting at Mayhill and go to 288 without having to stop at Brinker or exit 288 and get to Mayhill without having to stop at Brinker. 1082 00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:11,860 They've added two additional parcels that were environmentally cleared but not initially planned to be acquired. 1083 00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:16,860 But we have 35 of the 44 in possession. 1084 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:30,860 And we believe that by the end of this year, it says January 22, but I think we'll be able to beat that by probably two or three months. 1085 00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:33,860 But we're still looking at -- it's fully funded. 1086 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:41,860 It says 62.17 million, but we got permission from TxDOT and the MPO to add the additional scope. 1087 00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:47,860 And at the next unified transportation plan update, they'll adjust the cost accordingly. 1088 00:41:47,860 --> 00:42:03,860 That's 77.63 million. If you recall the last time we talked, TxDOT is requiring -- the headquarters is requiring the districts to add 4% inflation per year, per year two year of let. 1089 00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:11,860 So this project currently has two, possibly three years of inflation at 12%. 1090 00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:17,860 So that number will continually go down as we get closer to the actual let date. 1091 00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:35,860 And I think staff's got plans. We're going to review them together at our next staff meeting just to make sure that whatever TxDOT's proposing to do is consistent with what the city wants from a mobility standpoint and a development standpoint. 1092 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:52,860 Okay. So the Dallas Drive interim improvements, if you've been over there, you see that we put those delineators up so that the folks coming from the Calaways or the northbound frontage road from the mall, their only option is to turn north onto Dallas Drive. 1093 00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:54,860 They cannot cross anymore. 1094 00:42:54,860 --> 00:43:07,860 So as you're approaching that intersection from the freeway, your options are to move to the left side of the delineators, cross Dallas Drive and get on the frontage road, continue straight through. 1095 00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:22,860 And so it's minimized a lot of the impacts of conflicts there, and it buys us some time to work on more permanent improvement to that intersection going forward. 1096 00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:26,860 Okay, your 35E merge. This is the big project. 1097 00:43:26,860 --> 00:43:31,860 It's ready to let in March 22. We've got most of the right-of-way acquired. 1098 00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:35,860 We believe we'll have the rest of the right-of-way by the end of this month. 1099 00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:50,860 And moving full on into utility relocations. We've got EECOM and Stantec are doing the design for the work and they've hired, TxDOT's hired LTRA to do the actual utility coordination. 1100 00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:55,860 And we are actively working with the utilities in the corridor. 1101 00:43:55,860 --> 00:44:09,860 City staff meets regularly with TxDOT folks. We had a meeting yesterday just to try to deal with some issues, and we're on track for the March 22. 1102 00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:26,860 I mean, the June 22 ready to let date. And remember, it's showing January 25 until this summer. Once we add a new year to unified transportation plan, this project will move back into the 22 year for let. 1103 00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:34,860 Okay, this is a new one from our last meeting. I think we went over it, but we didn't have it in the report per se. 1104 00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:45,860 But these are the interim improvements at 380 and 35. It's just a partial on the map. If we put the whole thing in, you wouldn't be able to see it. 1105 00:44:45,860 --> 00:45:06,860 Essentially what we're doing is we're flipping the ramps so that the exit just there at 380 comes out and that becomes an on ramp and to the south, the on ramp becomes an exit, and we're adding additional lanes on the main lanes, an auxiliary lane to connect 1106 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:22,860 those two and then we'll take that auxiliary all the way up to the bridge deck so that it'll essentially add another line of traffic on 35 and move all of the conflicting movements onto the frontage road and then if you'll see there at 380 we're coming in and we're 1107 00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:45,860 making some changes to the intersection itself to allow for a longer transition to turn right and then the ability to do dual left and two through going northbound so that should add more capacity throughput at the intersection and so we're anticipating having this project 1108 00:45:45,860 --> 00:46:09,860 let in July, and text that is requested, both from the headquarters and city staff if they can work essentially 24 hours a day to try to get this resolved quickly and we're, we're still working on that detail, but the intent is we got a problem now, fix it now, and 1109 00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:15,860 nobody gets hung in effigy, or in reality. 1110 00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:23,860 This is a bigger project that goes north from 77 all the way to the county line it's the 1111 00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:40,860 800 million dollar project. Again those numbers are inflated for the inflation year. It's about a year behind the section from 77 south. They are breaking it up into three sections not because they don't have the funding they're breaking it up in three sections 1112 00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:56,860 because if they keep the dollar amount for each let at a certain number, they can, they have fewer requirements and restrictions on what they can do as far as the letting process so that project is moving forward and 1113 00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:59,860 yeah, that's pretty much it. 1114 00:46:59,860 --> 00:47:16,860 Okay on the main lanes, this is the main lanes from the merge 35 W south to where they end at 3C, which is the section of the North Terran Express that's coming up from the south that centers building. 1115 00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:20,860 And then this picks up where center leaves off and does the main lanes. 1116 00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:29,860 The, we're on track for an environmental clearance this summer we put out a notice affording opportunity to people asked for the hearing. 1117 00:47:29,860 --> 00:47:39,860 Text up met with each of those two people individually got direct questions answered and so there will not be an actual public hearing on this project. 1118 00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:47,860 We were just working through the summary and analysis portion to have the document cleared by July of this year. 1119 00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:52,860 We're already in the process of identifying right away. 1120 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:56,860 And I think on the next project is the frontage road project. 1121 00:47:56,860 --> 00:48:05,860 This is the one that we're most interested in. We are acquiring right away we believe that about this time next year, roughly. 1122 00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:18,860 Somewhere next year we'll have all the right away acquired. We are looking at areas of focus, unless the new stimulus packets coming down provides additional funding that we don't know about. 1123 00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:34,860 We're looking at an emphasis area to break out some portion of this project and go first right now. The leading thinking on this project for phase one would be from somewhere just south of 407. 1124 00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:42,860 North to the split where the wishbone project picks up and that covers from a development standpoint. 1125 00:48:42,860 --> 00:48:51,860 The Avalon Centurion American project, all of the Hillwood developments and coal ranch. 1126 00:48:51,860 --> 00:49:02,860 So if we, if we have to, we'll just break that project out if not we'll do the whole thing because we got some stimulus money. 1127 00:49:02,860 --> 00:49:11,860 Okay, so this is a project under construction. So if you'll go to the next one, we'll just look at the construction report. Pretty much everything's going well on this project. There's not a lot of conflicting movements. 1128 00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:19,860 The text that agreed from day one that they'd keep all traffic lanes open to traffic while they were working. They've had their shift to the north. 1129 00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:29,860 And it seems to be going without too much impediment to traffic and adjacent properties. 1130 00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:36,860 And it's still on track for 23 October completion. 380 East. 1131 00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:45,860 We continue to have very involved conversations with utilities on this corridor. That's the critical path. 1132 00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:58,860 We've seen, I would say, significant movement from the two principal entities that are impacting the schedule and that's co-serving opportunity. 1133 00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:03,860 A lot of progress has been made in the last week and a half. 1134 00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:24,860 So we'll update the let date probably next month and try to get a realistic date. I don't think we're going to make the May 21 let date, but I don't think it's going to be as bad as what we thought just 60, 30 days ago. 1135 00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:34,860 Okay. So the feasibility study, we were hoping to be able to come tell you that it's about to be shut down and we can put it on the shelf and stop worrying about it. 1136 00:50:34,860 --> 00:51:01,860 But at the after this last cycle of updates that HDR did protect start while they were completing this feasibility study, if you see that yellow box, everything east of 377 to the county line, their new demographics based on what cause going to be updating when they update the mobility plan projects that in the next 12 years, where they're going to be placing 1137 00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:20,860 community the size of the city of Richardson inside that box. So they're anticipating 90,000 residents in the box between 380 377 to West, the outer loop to the north and the county line slash toll road to the to the east. 1138 00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:44,860 So, what that tells text that is that they need to move pretty quickly from feasibility to environmental clearing of 380 as a, as a freeway and didn't county is moving forward with a bond program in November of this year, and we're fairly confident that will have on that bond 1139 00:51:44,860 --> 00:52:04,860 program funding to begin the environmental clearance of the outer loop from where it hits the county line and Colin over to back on to 35 we're initially we're thinking we would go down to 288 but text that when their study indicates that the outer loop needs to continue as it is on 1140 00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:14,860 288 East thoroughfare plan. West and hit 35 somewhere around Milan road which is where your thoroughfare plan shows it. 1141 00:52:14,860 --> 00:52:23,860 So, we thought we were done, and we're just now getting into the deep part of the pool on this one. 1142 00:52:23,860 --> 00:52:42,860 So, West Chang Patel has submitted a contract dollar amount to the county, we're processing that contract now, and the schedule for the plans being complete or October 23 so we got plenty of time to get that done. 1143 00:52:42,860 --> 00:53:01,860 The project was cleared in 2020 they're acquiring the right away there's significant right away issues on 288 because each of those parcels that impact a gas well as a right away acquisition process also includes coordination with the utility relocations 1144 00:53:01,860 --> 00:53:15,860 and transmission lines and it's very involved. So if we can beat the December 24 date. We'll move it up because this project that text started asked it in county to pursue. 1145 00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:30,860 And from a design standpoint, because they want to get the project funded because again this is part of the whole regional outer loop for the six county seven county region. 1146 00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:52,860 In 2015 we've got a proposal from LTRA to do the engineering, the plan specifications and estimates we again anticipate having them on contract within the next month or so, the 42 million is a, again, an escalated dollar amount based on the 4% inflation to the 23 fiscal year. 1147 00:53:52,860 --> 00:54:01,860 So the next step is to get LTRA on contract to do the design work. 1148 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:24,860 Okay, we are anticipating environmental clearance in the summer text that is already working on the right away map. So we can move into right away acquisition and text that's asking to make sure that we're doing 1173 the way it's supposed to be on the city's thoroughfare plan 1149 00:54:24,860 --> 00:54:37,860 and we're asking for a letter of support from city of Denton crumb the county and whatnot to say yeah this is where we actually want it, since we're going to be making the improvements to 35 in this area. 1150 00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:48,860 That includes the real location of 711 73 from its existing location to the Barthold road proposed alignment. 1151 00:54:48,860 --> 00:55:06,860 And that's pretty much what I have. 1152 00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:14,860 Sorry, my interface, I clicked weird. 1153 00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:16,860 Any questions or comments. 1154 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:22,860 I can speak up because I've got one. 1155 00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:33,860 I don't know if this is a city issue or text out or a combination of the two, but 377 is fantastic, having it opened up like it is. 1156 00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:49,860 It's a two time way back if you're heading north, but if you're heading south, we still have the bottleneck at 35 because it's still one lane has to turn left one lane has turned right and only one lane can go straight to fill the three lanes on the other side. 1157 00:55:49,860 --> 00:56:16,860 Do we know whose issue that is is that something text out has to handle or is that something the city needs to work on. I think it's a combination we'll get with x dot area office to see what needs to be done there it's a text up facilities but you know city of Denton manages the signals but yeah I think it's a situation where we just need to bring it up to staff and see what we need to do to get more traffic through there I agree. 1158 00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:21,860 I drive through there all the time and it needs to have dual movements at least. 1159 00:56:21,860 --> 00:56:29,860 Yeah, at five o'clock, you're backed up to racetrack, which is three to four lights to get through. Correct. 1160 00:56:29,860 --> 00:56:46,860 Yes, Councilmember and we are absolutely looking into that we've actually already contacted the local office, and we're talking about that area. And I understand there's only one that can go straight one that can turn right, right and one that can turn left so one lane, and then you're going underneath 1161 00:56:46,860 --> 00:57:02,860 where the bridge has multiple lanes and so in those multiple lanes continue on on to the new 377 so we are definitely looking at that we've been having conversations with textile, and then hope to have some kind of resolution here as soon so I do appreciate you bringing 1162 00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:06,860 that to our attention. 1163 00:57:06,860 --> 00:57:10,860 Other questions or comments. 1164 00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:30,860 I want to say I'm marking January 2022 on my calendar for the improvements at 35 the interim improvements to 35 and 380. Thank you very much for hearing and communicating our collective cry. 1165 00:57:30,860 --> 00:57:45,860 All right, that'll conclude that item. Thanks very much Mr poster, and let's move on then to item see receiver report and hold the discussion regarding updates from the Denton County Transportation Authority. 1166 00:57:45,860 --> 00:58:00,860 We have. And Councilmember Meltzer I'm, I'm sorry to let you know we have still not received any correspondence this morning via either text or email from DC ta I know they have a scheduling conflict and we're going to have another individual join us 1167 00:58:00,860 --> 00:58:14,860 today to give that presentation, and they've yet to join us so I apologize for that but do not want to and cannot speak on their behalf so definitely something that will reach out and see if they have any. 1168 00:58:14,860 --> 00:58:29,860 If everything's okay. So we're not sure what the situation is at this time but have not heard anything from them yet. So, with that, that is really all that we have today and so we're not going to be able to have a presentation on that item. 1169 00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:46,860 Yeah, I, to the extent that you have communication, if you know I keep hearing. Well I heard a comment yesterday and counsel from member of the public, suggesting that same tone that it's a fait accompli that we're moving from fixed 1170 00:58:46,860 --> 00:59:02,860 to to on demand when that was has been had been presented as such as a pilot program to evaluate, and I would just 1171 00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:18,860 remind you that it may come up in your conversations that I warned against creeping conviction that if there is that we have to be open to see what the data actually tells us, and not be not a blinders on. 1172 00:59:18,860 --> 00:59:33,860 I hope it works out open provides greater convenience and, you know, at good cost and improves public transportation but let's you know let's see what actually happens. 1173 00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:36,860 That's my message. 1174 00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:41,860 I strongly second that I said it better myself. 1175 00:59:41,860 --> 00:59:52,860 I appreciate that feedback will definitely pass that along I did hear the same sentiments in the council meeting yesterday and so definitely something that we can pass along to DC ta. 1176 00:59:52,860 --> 00:59:58,860 Thanks. No problem. That's what Ryan point that point counterpoint. 1177 00:59:58,860 --> 01:00:12,860 Yeah, I think that once people because I've been in a lot more meetings about that, as far as the on demand I think is it is it's implemented people actually like a lot better. 1178 01:00:12,860 --> 01:00:26,860 Yeah, I mean, change always, you know, makes me yeah nobody likes change but this is, you know, the response time is much faster on this you're not having to wait as long as what you currently do. 1179 01:00:26,860 --> 01:00:30,860 Well, I'm very hopeful. 1180 01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:42,860 Not so hopeful that I don't want to see what actually happens. So, so let's close that item for today and the only thing remaining is identified items of interest for future consideration. 1181 01:00:42,860 --> 01:00:58,860 So I don't know if you have anything you wanted to tee up, Becky or if you just sort of sort of a placeholder for us to bring anything. Yes, sir, that's actually just a location for if there's anything additional I know last meeting we talked about 1182 01:00:58,860 --> 01:01:15,860 a feedback and update as we will continue to do on the senior planner bicycle pedestrian and ADA position, and then any future items that you have what I'm my goal is is to have a running log of those items, so that staff can bring them back to you some 1183 01:01:15,860 --> 01:01:26,860 of the items may take a little bit longer to do research on. And so I want to make sure that we're scheduling those appropriately and addressing the concerns as they are received and so. 1184 01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:43,860 Really, the exhibit that you see in your packet is, it's just kind of the start of what I hope to be able to present and bring those items back to you. I know one specifically that Councilmember Ryan brought up today is that 377 interchange at three at 35. 1185 01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:58,860 Too many highways I'll start with the same number three. So, so but we definitely that's one that we're looking into and so we will have a response back and more than likely that will happen in advance of the next mobility committee meeting but if there's 1186 01:01:58,860 --> 01:02:10,860 anything additional that you would like to bring up now would be a perfect time for you to do so, so that we can bring those back and address the concerns as we receive them. 1187 01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:14,860 Can we go for the unmute button Councilmember armature. 1188 01:02:14,860 --> 01:02:16,860 No. Okay. 1189 01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:22,860 As well Ryan anything you'd like to tip. 1190 01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:37,860 This is already kind of in the works I've already put forward but probably would work well on this and that is the T's Lee and Hobson. If you're on T's Lee turning right on the Hobson. 1191 01:02:37,860 --> 01:02:47,860 The radius there is not large enough for trucks with trailers, and I'm talking about a pickup truck with a lot of equipment on the back. 1192 01:02:47,860 --> 01:03:00,860 That's, it's very difficult to maneuver, and it may just be some restriping that needs to be done but I've seen several times or that intersection gets stopped because they have to wait for the light to clear Hobson so they can make it the rest 1193 01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:03,860 of the way around. 1194 01:03:03,860 --> 01:03:20,860 You know sir, I absolutely understand I think we have received that question, and I know that that's something that Daniel Kramer who was here was absolutely looking into so definitely something that's on the list that is being evaluated as far as 1195 01:03:20,860 --> 01:03:34,860 that turning movement, and so it's specifically for folks just so I understand and this is the way I understood the comment that came through is for folks that are traveling on T's Lee to make the right hand turn to get on to Hobson Lane near the church that's 1196 01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:42,860 located at that intersection. It's just that they don't have the ability to make the turn due to the radius right there without actually going over the curb. 1197 01:03:42,860 --> 01:03:56,860 It may just be due to the skew of the intersection. Is that correct sir. That's correct. Okay, it may just be putting the stop line further back so that cars that are on Hobson don't make this far forward. 1198 01:03:56,860 --> 01:04:07,860 It may be an actual curb and adding just a little bit more to that radius may just be striping and moving a mobile but just to take a look at how we can make it easier for it because that's it. 1199 01:04:07,860 --> 01:04:17,860 It's more than a normal 90 degree turn right there. You're actually going backwards so when you're trying to pull something behind you it's very difficult. 1200 01:04:17,860 --> 01:04:28,860 No, I appreciate those comments. Thank you and will definitely continue to look into that I know, like I mentioned Danny is looking at that intersection. 1201 01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:32,860 Any items to tip. 1202 01:04:32,860 --> 01:04:38,860 I have one that seems to have fallen off the list. 1203 01:04:38,860 --> 01:04:41,860 Well please let me know. 1204 01:04:41,860 --> 01:04:57,860 I'm talking about and I do, I do openly reveal that I live on West Oak Street so I see this all the time, but we've talked a number of times about West Oak Street from Bradley West. 1205 01:04:57,860 --> 01:05:00,860 That's a roller coaster. 1206 01:05:00,860 --> 01:05:10,860 I'm interested in a solution, but I'm at least equally interested in a root cause analysis. 1207 01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:26,860 So that we can identify what steps are are maybe missing I don't know if it's the only place in Denton, where you know relatively new construction has turned into, you know, such a roller coaster. 1208 01:05:26,860 --> 01:05:46,860 But, you know, and maybe you'll tell me it's completely isolated in which case, I'm just interested in solution but it's, you know, I think it's kind of an embarrassment that that this happened, and it should be fixed so I would at least say assessment or something to 1209 01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:53,860 identify next steps regarding that section of street. 1210 01:05:53,860 --> 01:05:58,860 Thank you for that, and we will definitely look into that. 1211 01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:05,860 That actually reminds me I had shaken my head no I have nothing else to add. 1212 01:06:05,860 --> 01:06:23,860 That reminds me of concern on Hickory that the part of Hickory that is that intersects with with Bonnie Bray. I had made a report on this before and there was supposed. 1213 01:06:23,860 --> 01:06:35,860 I made a report I mean just, you know, submitted a kind of concern to to counsel and to staff and there was something in a Friday report saying they were going to do a traffic study in that area. 1214 01:06:35,860 --> 01:06:58,860 And I had noticed, and heard from residents in that area you know and also witnessed that cars go really fast, kind of coming like off the highway or off Bonnie Bray down that beginning part of Hickory now and as you go down I guess that would be going east on Hickory. 1215 01:06:58,860 --> 01:07:03,860 My sense is that people tend to slow down. 1216 01:07:03,860 --> 01:07:19,860 But people go really fast, coming off there and it's an area that, you know, young families live there they're kids, seniors with disabilities. 1217 01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:42,860 And so it's just it's concerning. There's also an issue right around there that I haven't reported but I have noticed, and that is Avenue G is divided into two, and I know I believe it was Mayor Pro Tem Davis who had asked for a 1218 01:07:42,860 --> 01:07:53,860 community of some sort on kind of streets that split up into two where they really are two separate streets that have the same name and it's confusing to people. 1219 01:07:53,860 --> 01:08:13,860 At least that's what I recall that he had brought that up. Avenue G, it is I'm not sure if it quite counts as that in my mind it does, but there's Hickory, and Hickory is a one way. And you have people who are going down Avenue G from Oak Street, 1220 01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:20,860 who want to continue on Avenue G. But to continue on Avenue G which kind of splits up. 1221 01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:31,860 You have to make an illegal right, and basically go the wrong way down Hickory. 1222 01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:40,860 And I have I have seen that, because I drive down part of Hickory a lot I've seen that a number of times. 1223 01:08:40,860 --> 01:08:54,860 People do that. And now there's a one way sign right there that intersection so I don't know if they're not seeing the sign, or if they're just saying, oh, there's no one here. 1224 01:08:54,860 --> 01:09:12,860 I have no idea what people are thinking. Maybe simply changing the street name, and I know that's complicated people have to change their mailing address, but so that it's, they don't see it as a continuation of the same street but a different street maybe that would help. 1225 01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:31,860 But, but that's a real concern, and I bet, you know, if you just had someone monitor that you know you would probably see multiple times a day, people do that, and it's just it's really an accident, waiting to happen I don't know if there's been one. 1226 01:09:31,860 --> 01:09:45,860 I guess is that it probably has something to do with the fact that the street is split into two and it has the same name, you know, so people were planning, they had it in their mind they're going to keep going down Avenue G, and they're not going to let the fact that 1227 01:09:45,860 --> 01:09:51,860 there's a one way street going the wrong way. Stop them. 1228 01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:55,860 So I don't know what the solutions are but it is a problem. 1229 01:09:55,860 --> 01:10:07,860 Thank you for bringing that to our attention and let us look into that we can see if there's been any accidents in that area and if there's any improvements that can be made at that intersection that will help so no I appreciate you bringing that to our attention 1230 01:10:07,860 --> 01:10:11,860 thank you very much. 1231 01:10:11,860 --> 01:10:13,860 Okay. 1232 01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:17,860 Anything else. 1233 01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:25,860 Seeing no other movement.