Apr 21, 2021 Mobility Committee on 2021-04-21 9:00 AM

Thank you very much. Thank you. Good morning and welcome to this meeting of the mobility committee. The city of Denton. Uh, we have quorum and I see Council member Armand Torres present to some degree. Actually we're seeing a picture of a cat. But I have it on, uh been advised that she is not a cat. Hopefully there soon. I'm sorry. We have audio. So we'll go ahead and get started. Um with the first item for individual consideration was which is considering approval of the minutes of March 17th. Entertain a motion. I move approval. I move approval. John, I'll second. I'll second the motion. Uh officially moved and, uh, as member Ryan seconded all those in favor. Hi. Hi. Hi. Okay. Minutes are approved. We've got to be received report and hold the discussion regarding City of Denton Transportation slash Mobility Project status report. Mr Poulster here with us. Thank you, Mr Poulster. Just gonna just going to, uh, handle that item. Is that you, Becky? I'm actually served. Mr Poulster is supposed to be online. He's not online yet, so we're going to check with him and see where he is. Um and so has a scheduling conflict this morning, too. So I know they were asking to be on later today also. So give us a minute. Just letting me know that. Yeah. So why don't we go ahead and, uh, and move to item D. So, uh, I don't know if we have to unopen that we're gonna sure we can move to item D and I actually see Mr Poulster walking up, so we will give him a couple of minutes and we're happy to move to item D if you would like to myself and Daniel Kramer, who were both going to be making those presentations are here today. So if we want to take that item first, then that's not a problem with me, sir. Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. So item D is staff reports. Uh, one staff my random update regarding the senior planner, uh, also frame street, also ankle drive roundabout and identified items of interest for future consideration. Wonderful. Well, good morning. I just wanted to take the time this morning to give you an update on the senior planner, bicycle, pedestrian and 88 coordinator position. We held interviews on April 9th. We had approximately 61 applications and that position was open until filled. So there's still several applications that have come in. And I will tell you that we had four candidates that we interviewed. Um, we are having a second round of interviews on Friday morning, um, with the, uh, top two individuals. And so we look forward to, uh, those interviews and, uh, hopefully soon we will be able to announce that we actually have a person to fill that position. So, um, we appreciate all the, um, you know, time and effort that staff is taking to make sure that we're looking at the right candidate. We do appreciate the committees and commissions that were able to participate as part of the interviews. And so we're very much interested and excited about hoping, um, through the candidate process that we find a candidate that's going to be able to be successful, um, in that position. So just wanted to take the time to make that update. Um, I'll add, I was pleased to be able to participate in, uh, in some of those panels along with a member of the public, uh, Susie Groomer. Uh, and I was very impressed with the candidate pool in total. I think the hardest, um, of the three pieces to get that you need to get, you know, seems to be the ADA. And I, um, I'm imagining that there'd be a lot of, uh, further training and reinforcement in that area, whoever gets the job to share that view. Absolutely. I think that they're going to have big shoes to fill, but we're definitely excited about getting someone on our team, um, to move forward. And so, um, like I said, thank you so much for Councilmember Meltzer, you being a part of the interview panel, we do appreciate it very much. So, um, with that, I'm going to move on to the next item, which is the Frame Street. Oh, I'm sorry, Councilmember Amateur. How can I help you, ma'am? So sorry, I looked down. Go ahead. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just a question, uh, for, for staff or for Councilmember Meltzer, since you, uh, attended, uh, attended that meeting and thank you for attending. Um, so is it, uh, your sense that, uh, the, the specialization of the finalists is, uh, more along the, uh, bike and pedestrian coordinator side of the, uh, job description, um, and a little weaker in the ADA area with that. That's, that's, that's my impression. Uh, it wasn't like 100, 100, zero, but they're definitely, uh, I'd say, you know, have particularly strong straight, strong, uh, noticeable strengths in the, in the bike and pedestrian area across, across the board, uh, with, with, uh, varying degrees of ADA expertise. Okay. And, and thank you. And I would, uh, you know, hope that, uh, uh, we choose the person or that the person gets chosen, um, who has the most, uh, ADA experience, assuming that, uh, they're all equally qualified as far as bike and pedestrians, bike and pedestrian side goes, I would just, uh, advise for, for what it's worth, um, for what my, my opinion is worth, uh, that, um, if the strongest candidate, uh, is just simply much better with, uh, uh, much more experience on the, um, bike and pedestrian coordinator side than the ADA side, then I would say, you know, go for that person and, and then make the ADA coordinator a separate position. I know that's something that would, that's brand new would have to come before council. That's not the job is advertised. Um, but you know, I, I want to get, uh, the best bike and pedestrian coordinator we can for the city of Denton and the best ADA coordinator. And if they don't coexist in the same person, I'm fine with that. Then I would want to make those separate, uh, separate positions that that's just, that's just my two cents. Thank you very, thank you very much, ma'am. I appreciate the feedback. Ultimately, we're absolutely interested in finding the best candidate for the position and, um, you know, hoping that we're successful. Um, if for some reason that based on the second round of interviews, we don't feel like that we are going to be successful, then we will be looking at, uh, reposting that position. So I do appreciate the comments and feedback. So I look forward to hopefully bringing you back additional information in the near future. Thank you. So the next item I'm going to bring to you is the frame street closure. Um, I'd like to mention, um, that we are going to be bringing this item back to the traffic safety commission in May. Um, and they have specifically asked for more details in regards to the needs around the specific project for the Denton police headquarters facility. And so I am going to have additional folks, um, be present and help present some of that information. My purpose of bringing this item to you today is just so you can understand what's going on. And it's really more from an informational purpose. It has no action item. It's just a, um, a process that we're going to be going through, um, to close a roadway, but, um, obtain the right of way, um, which will be explained here in a, so I'm going to go ahead and start with that, uh, presentation and I'm going to share my screen and let's see. So just a little bit of background on the frame street closure. Um, so the closure was requested from the Denton police head headquarters, um, construction project. I know you're all aware, but that construction project began, uh, early January of 2021. Um, it's anticipated to be substantially complete in June of 2022. This closure was requested by the Denton police department, um, for security reasons, as you can imagine, um, currently right now, um, there's not a secure location. Um, as far as a fenced in location where, um, if they need to bring individuals into their facility, um, from their police cars, that they have a secure location. So this is really a request by the police department and that's something that will be expanded on at the next traffic safety commission meeting, um, in, in greater detail by, uh, the individuals from our police department. Um, and following the feedback from the traffic safety commission, um, which, like I mentioned, we presented on Monday, but we will be bringing this back on May 17th. Um, and then also just the awareness of the process from you. And we are going to be coordinating with the adjacent residents and business owners through our public affairs department. And we've been currently coordinating with the solids waste department, as you can mention, and it'll be better explained once you can actually see the picture. Um, so one of the things that you'll see specifically is, um, the, uh, solid waste perspective of the dumpsters and where those things are actually located so that, uh, the, uh, the solid waste can get over there and, uh, take the trash from that facility. And we're going to be working through that. There are some interim steps that already have happened for the actual dumpster locations and then obviously the permanent locations. Um, and then signage will be installed to notify motorists about changes to traffic patterns. And then obviously updating the city's GIS map system. So just to give you an overall picture, um, basically kind of the yellow highlighted area is the area of which would be completely, um, uh, fenced in, um, around this area, but the overall Denton PD, uh, obviously there won't be fencing in the front, but the overall Denton PD facility is, uh, really kind of this, uh, yellow highlighted area. Um, the proposed closures, this is frame street that runs north and south. And this actually, believe it or not, is Oak street that runs east or west. And so the overall closure would be where you see the red line here and the red line here, which would allow for a fence here that would open when the PD were to come in, um, they could park in this vicinity. And I'll show you on the next picture, which is a graphical representation of what the final, uh, look is of the Denton PD facility. Um, but just wanted to kind of show you, cause the next picture is going to get a little bit busier. So, um, what you can see from this overall picture that I was provided from the Denton police facility, um, this existing building, um, is obviously under renovation. Um, this is exposition street where there are parking spaces, um, and there will be a security perimeter fence that's located, um, in this area. There'll be a security entrance in this location and the purpose of closing this roadway. You can see the security entrance here and the security entrance here. So that the Denton police facility, um, would be an access for all of the police department to be able to come in, park either in this secure parking space or in this secure police parking space. Um, you can see this perimeter fence. It's kind of the line that you see with the straight line with the circles. It would go around the facility. There'd also be another entrance in this location, um, putting the fence and the actual entrance in this location along with this location still allows access for this individual along with these individuals, um, also with this individual right here. So that was something that was very important to us to make sure that everyone still had access to their properties. Um, you also will see that they're going to be some future dumpsters in some of these locations. I'd like to point out that the jail entrance would actually be back in this area. Um, and so, you know, the new Sally port entry is, is, uh, in this area. And then the secure police only entry would be in this area. So the fence would allow for the folks to drive in, park in the location. Um, and this would not be an open access to the public. So really our next steps were to address any comments that were received and we received quite a few comments from traffic safety commission just from the standpoint that they'd like more information specifically related to the needs of the police department. They also wanted to find out more information in regards to, um, several comments were made specifically related to this is an area where currently pedestrians are walking from their point of view. And also according to some strata heat maps, this is where bicyclists are actually, um, Traversing through. Um, and so we're going to be looking into those, uh, questions and comments that came up along with the fact that they wanted to make sure that folks had access to cross McKinney street appropriately. It's our understanding from the traffic safety commission meeting that folks riding a bicycle are, um, traversing from, um, the southern side of frame street onto the northern side of frame street or vice versa. Um, and so we want to make sure that folks have access. Um, then the life that is actually a secured, um, location, um, is not located until wood street, but we are looking at those pedestrian and mobility perspectives, not only from a vehicular perspective, but also from a bicycle and pedestrian. And so those are the questions that comments that came up during traffic safety commission that are important to us to be able to address so that we can bring that item back. Um, the ordinance that would be processed, which will later come to city council, it was anticipated to come on the 27th. Um, but due to the comments that came up through traffic safety commission, we will not be bringing that back to council until late May, um, because I want to make sure we walk through the process of addressing all the current concerns and questions that came up, um, from that traffic safety commission meeting that I keep referencing. And so through that we will, uh, make, uh, all of the, uh, recommendations, uh, talk about the capital projects that are in the area. If there's any additional safety, um, concerns or any additional, uh, mobility, uh, comments, um, that we need to address, we're going to do that, um, before coming back to that traffic safety commission meeting, um, which is the third, uh, Monday of the month of May. So with that, I'm going to stop sharing and see if any of you have any specific questions, really, like I mentioned, that was the informational item, just so you can kind of understand, um, what staff has been asked to do, um, with that closure of the frame street, we're calling it, but it actually is frame and oak street. Um, and just to explain to you that through that traffic safety commission meeting, there were several questions that came up, not just from the vehicular traffic movement, um, but also from the bicycle and pedestrian movement. And so we want to make sure we address those, bring those back to traffic safety. And then we're happy to also bring that same presentation as a staff update to you, um, at the next, uh, mobility committee meeting also. So with that, I'll pause and see if you have any questions, questions, comments. I'll kick in a couple while you think about it. Um, I, uh, uh, got some input that, uh, resonates with what you heard from the traffic safety, uh, committee about bike and pedestrian. And, uh, I'll leave you the question, you don't need to answer, but just a question about whether there might be, uh, consideration of an extension in the future of the, of the rail trail, trail through that area and ultimately connecting to Quaker town park. And if so, and that seems to resonate with, you know, the feedback you were getting that there's kind of a natural, uh, uh, draw to get to that route. If so, would that alter any of the plan? So again, that's just a question to leave you with. And, um, uh, yeah, I'll, I'll leave it at that. There's an, that's it. Any, any, any other questions or comments? Nope. We're good. Okay. Thanks. Uh, no problem. I appreciate that so much. And so the last item we have for you today, um, is going to be presented by Daniel Kramer. Um, he is, uh, going to be talking about the Hinkle drive roundabout. This item will be coming to council on April 27th. And this is more of an informational presentation for you, um, specifically related to the Hinkle drive roundabout and some of the questions and concerns that have been raised. And so we thought it would be important to bring this to you so you could understand, um, uh, the, the information that we have to date and, uh, the evaluation that has been completed. So with that, I am going to make sure Danny's all set up and get everything turned over to him. Okay. Good morning. Apologize for that. Let me pull up the presentation. Okay. So we are here to talk about the Hinkle roundabout, which is located at the intersection of Hinkle and Mimosa. Uh, this is a mini roundabout, um, and we're going to talk about some of the issues and the purpose of a roundabout and a little bit of a project background to start off with. You know, a roundabout in general is used to, uh, slow down vehicular, uh, movement as a traffic common device, but also still keep it moving, unlike a four way stop or a signalized intersection. It also can reduce the accident severity because you're only looking one way when you're, uh, going through the intersection instead of having to check all directions, um, in a four way or intersection, uh, signalized intersection. Uh, it has some benefits with, uh, maintenance costs are actually reduced compared to a normal signalized intersection. And as I stated before, it also makes sure that, uh, vehicles are constantly moving through the intersection instead of where we look at with a, um, a full stop where you're actually, vehicles are coming to complete stop and having to wait before they can proceed. Uh, this project was actually an add-on to that, to Magnolia drainage, um, in early 2019 and it was substantially completed in October of 2020 and we're still continuing a few sidewalk improvements in the area that will should be completed by May of 2021. Uh, we've had some, uh, concerns that have been brought to our attention about the roundabout. Um, those have come in the form of two engaged dent and request, um, two requests that were forwarded from, um, uh, council members and also two calls to the Denton Police Department, um, about some issues with the roundabout. Most of those have consisted of it being a little confusing. Um, a roundabout is not a standard set up here in Denton at the moment. We are getting more and having more come into the area. Uh, but it's, uh, something a little different that motorists are having to get used to, uh, traversing. Also the emergency vehicles, since this being a mini roundabout, the way it's designed is they are, they are supposed to drive over the center, uh, curb to be able to traverse it. Larger vehicles, uh, fire trucks, ambulances, uh, solid waste vehicles and et cetera do drive around that. Um, one of those concerns that was also brought up was a visibility at night and staff put a, um, hired a firm to go through and do a photometric study. And we did receive those results at the end of March and based on the results, the Hinkle, on Hinkle, what they recommended is adding some extra reflective pavement markings on the median noses to help make that so you can see those, uh, easier at night. Uh, addition of some raised pavement markings in the area and also upgrade the current lighting and add additional light poles in the area, uh, to create more light on the circle itself. On Mimosa, what they did recommend is modifying the curb geometry. Uh, there are some issues with, um, residents parking close to the entrance of the roundabout. So what that is, is extending the, um, the road, uh, narrowing a little bit farther down so that there's plenty of room for, um, motorists as they come up to be able to get in the full lane and see where the roundabout is and see that, and also checking with the medians in the middle of the road, um, on Mimosa and Hinkle and making sure that they're not sticking too far out on the curves on that. Now, based off our estimates, we are looking at around $22,000 to implement these changes. Um, the additional light poles and upgrade to current light fixtures. There is a presentation which is coming to council on the 27th by DME, which will cover the, uh, the migratory birds and also the neighborhood lighting plan. So based off that recommendation is how we will look at additional lighting and upgrading the current lighting fixtures in that area. Uh, it was also brought up as a concern of asking about removal of the roundabout. So, uh, we want to go through a few of the concerns on that. Um, one of those is if we do that, all the vehicles will be required to stop at the intersection, which is going to cause, could cause some backup and some issues of flow there, unlike the roundabout, which keeps traffic constantly moving. Um, also, uh, stop signs are not always observed 100% of the time by all motorists. Uh, so there is issues with that and also on the right to proceed. Um, still there are some issues with, um, citizens motorists not knowing which way to go, um, at a four way stop when vehicles come to the stop at the same time. Also, year to date, we've incurred right at $137,000, uh, to install the roundabout and the improvements that we've made so far. Some of the benefits are it is a more of a typical intersection stop. So more people will be familiar with it and be able to run it more than a roundabout. Um, and also the striping, there is a reduced cost on striping and signage for that. Uh, based on our estimates, we are looking at around $140,000 to remove the roundabout and replace it back with a standard stopped intersection. Based off the information and what we've looked at, uh, staff does recommend maintaining the existing roundabout and making the upgrades recommended by the photometric study to improve the visibility. Um, as I stated, we will be working with DME, uh, from the feedback and the council direction that's given on the 27th for the led lighting and migratory bird issues on the actual street light, um, implementation and make sure we do not affect that from there. And with that, I will take down the presentation and if there's any comments, uh, we can go through there. Hey, questions, comments, council member Armitter. Uh, so, I mean, first I wanted to say thanks to staff for working through these problems. I know I was, you know, one of the, uh, people who was, uh, uh, receiving, uh, you know, complaints about, uh, safety issues and on, and at that roundabout, um, I, I definitely do not support removing the roundabout, uh, anytime issues come up regarding a roundabout, uh, where people agree there's a problem. People tend to divide into two camps. Roughly, you know, there are people who say roundabouts are terrible. Uh, and, you know, then there are others that who, um, uh, you know, understand the need for a roundabout in that area or, you know, don't have anything against roundabouts. They just want to problem solve. Uh, so, you know, it's the difference between, you know, saying, um, you know, uh, marriage is terrible and then saying, well, maybe I should marry somebody else, right? Don't throw out the baby with the bath water. So anyway, I just, uh, I just wanted to make clear, you know, that I have always, uh, supported a roundabout in this area. It makes sense. Um, I just want to clarify. So you mentioned to the lighting at the, did you say the nose of the median or the Yes. So what we are looking at is some good pavement reflectors that will actually, um, put off more light and be able to see that more visibly at night. Uh, the, also the photometric study, um, also showed adding a few more stop, uh, few more street lights in the area. And, uh, right now that is currently not our city standard and would also produce quite a bit of light in the area, which is, is not a bad thing, but we do want to make sure that we are, uh, working with DME and council direction that will be given on the 27th, uh, for neighborhood lighting plans and also the migratory birds on that. But with what we can do, um, right away after we go through council on the 27th with this presentation and get direction, uh, we can get those reflectors up, which will visibly show that a lot better and also, uh, some of the led marking lights will actually give a better signage and better visibility at night. Okay. And, and will this be, so does this mean the whole periphery or the, the whole circumference of the roundabout will be illuminated or just certain parts of it? So, and, and I do apologize. I haven't got the, the pictures added to it. I will have some more pictures of exactly what we're looking at for the council presentation. There was some feedback that I got yesterday on the presentation, but yes, it'll be a strip that will go around the whole circumference on all of that. And it is drive over. Um, so it is, it'll actually reflect that and you'll be able to see it as you're coming up to it at night and make it a lot clearer. Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. I really think that'll make a big difference. Um, and, uh, secondly, you know, my, my, my other question, you know, has to do with the problem of, uh, uh, fire engines are, or just, you know, any larger vehicle kind of going around it, can it, can you speak to how, because, you know, there were some signs that had been knocked down, uh, from vehicles, you know, trying to get around, can you kind of speak to how that, how this will specifically resolve that issue? Well, for larger vehicles traversing straight through it, um, it is designed for them to drive over the center, um, as in fire trucks, what we have noticed, uh, while we have been out there, while the crews have been out there replacing the signs that have been knocked down on the corners. A lot of that is from the construction traffic with large trailers that are running in and out of the new fireside development when they come in. Uh, larger trailers when you're trying to make that, that turn to go in there, the trailer is swinging out a little bit and clipping the corner of the sign. So what we are looking at is, uh, moving the sign back just a little bit, um, which should help with that. And also, um, with some of the radiuses that we can adjust in the middle of Hinkle and Mimosa, uh, we might be able to, uh, give them a little more leeway to be able to swing that corner a little wider on that. After the construction is finished in there, uh, there will not be as many trailers that are traversing and turning back and forth into the neighborhood. A standard vehicle like a fire truck that is, um, does not have a trailer behind it and it's not connected, usually does not have those issues while making those, those wide turns. Okay, great. And, and, and sorry, I know I said that was my last question, but that makes me think of a follow up question. Um, so I, I know that obviously the point of a roundabout is to keep traffic moving. Um, would it make any sense? Um, and the answer might be no, uh, but would it make any sense to put one of those temporary speed bumps, uh, that you all have at some point, not, not in the roundabout, but you know, leading up to the roundabout on either side, just to make, um, you know, some construction vehicle, large vehicle that's just thinking about getting from, you know, point a to point B just to force them to slow down. Would that make any sense or would that be a bad idea? I'm not invested one way or the other, just that is something we can definitely look at, um, off hand. I'm not a hundred percent sure that will work, but I will definitely bring it up with traffic engineering and we can look into that option. Okay. And thank you just as long as I understand that this is not something I'm, you know, a battle I'm waging. It just, it just occurred to me just to make people, cause it would help, I think, to make people just slightly slow down before they get to the roundabout and reflect that this is a roundabout, you know, the, at the, at the Bonnie Bray, uh, roundabout, there are all those signs that make you do that. Uh, so anyway, temporary speed bump, not permanent might, might be a good idea. We will definitely put it on the list to look into this, ma'am. That's all right. Questions, comments. Good. Um, uh, I have, uh, a few that to me, the central issue is not ambient lighting or lighting from the top. It's the fact that, uh, you know, speak as a lay person at somebody who has driven through there, it's the fact that, you know, the height is below where your eyes normally are, you know, for a car. So I don't think lighting on top and that that's kind of the bulk of the expense there too, is really to the point. There, uh, reflectors around the perimeter make all kinds of sense. Uh, I think I sent a picture or I made some kind of a comment, um, I may have sent a picture to staff of, uh, when I saw an Ardmore, Oklahoma, uh, similar deal. And they actually had a moving light that goes around the top. So, you know, you, you'd notice it from a distance. Um, I think, uh, uh, council member Armitage, uh, uh, really good idea there on either, whether it's speed bump or rumble strip or something that uses a different sense, because we know that the visual is going to be limited, you know, well, I think that's, uh, that makes all kinds of sense. And I, uh, I do hope you'll evaluate that, uh, too. Then, uh, last bit of, uh, input I'd like to offer is, uh, I've heard that it's troubling. This one hasn't come up yet in the list of issues, but that it's troubling that the bike lanes basically take you into the traffic and dead end. And I know the intention is to communicate. Don't go into traffic and get hit, get off, walk around. Um, I think, uh, bike enthusiasts will tell you they won't be inclined to do it, that they would be inclined to just keep moving with traffic. Um, now I did actually ask all those experts in the panel that we recently had, uh, you know, uh, interviewing and, and there was not a lot of support for the idea of adding a bike lane around. Uh, they, from a safety point of view, they, there seemed to be consensus, uh, to, to move the cyclists off and route them around. Uh, but I don't think there's any indication that that's what you're supposed to do. It looks like drive here, end up in the middle of traffic. So something to think about, um, that's all I have. And, uh, if there is nothing else, uh, I would like to hold on the second part of staff reports. Oh, council member Roy, go ahead. Something that just dawned on me was the down on Hickory Creek, we've got the heavy curves that when traffic comes, it does a flash. So it's not a constant light. It's only when there is vehicular movement on the road, that that might be a better way to, to kind of help with that as far as pre signaling that you need to slow up. See, you don't need engineers. You have all the talent, right? Yeah. So we, we will definitely look at those options and, uh, council member Meltzer. I also wanted to let you know that was another, uh, about the bike lanes was brought up in traffic safety. Um, and that is something that we will be looking at the bike lane in pedestrian connectivity across the city and all this. And we will also be looking at it in this area, especially while we're out there making some modifications to the curves and doing that. So that is on our list. Yes, sir. Thanks for bringing this item to us. Um, and, uh, thanks to my colleagues for good suggestions. So I want to hold off on the identified items of interest for future consideration, just in case the other, uh, items on our agenda spark any, uh, ideas, uh, for members here and, and, uh, thanks for your patience, Mr. Bolster. I'm going to go ahead and open or reopen item B, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding city debt and transportation slash mobility project status report. You're on job. Thank you. We are pulling up the report now, and as soon as it's up we'll begin. If you can just go to the 2181 report, we'll just go right into that. The rest of it is just funding issues. So on the -- can we make that a little bit smaller so we can see the whole page? There we go. So the 2181 project is under construction. On the next page you'll see the text out report. Most of the work we're doing right now is still with very sundry culverts and crossings and significant drainage issues. And it seems like every time we put a -- back on the ground we find something else we got to deal with. So right now we're dealing with several gas, school, and fiber issues, and we're meeting everybody in the field to try to get it resolved. But we're still essentially on track for our March 22 completion date on this project. If there's no questions we can move to the next one. Forward drive, this project is essentially complete. The new news is hopefully mobility members and council staff have received or will be receiving an invitation to the ribbon cutting. I think we now know that it's going to be at that smokehouse location. And if it's inclement weather, they've provided us with a place indoors to hold the event in that event. But that's essentially what's left is just to kind of celebrate 10 and a half long years to get this project completed. Next. Okay. So this is the 35V Mayhill project. You'll see that all of the dates have changed. And the reason we're changing the dates is because if you look in the PSNE portion of the report, we're adding braided ramps both northbound and southbound at Brinker. And for those of you that travel that area, you'll know that the frontage roads are constantly backed up due to the signal at Brinker. What these additional plans will do is add a bypass frontage road up with the level of the main lane so that you can get from exiting at Mayhill and go to 288 without having to stop at Brinker or exit 288 and get to Mayhill without having to stop at Brinker. They've added two additional parcels that were environmentally cleared but not initially planned to be acquired. But we have 35 of the 44 in possession. And we believe that by the end of this year, it says January 22, but I think we'll be able to beat that by probably two or three months. But we're still looking at -- it's fully funded. It says 62.17 million, but we got permission from TxDOT and the MPO to add the additional scope. And at the next unified transportation plan update, they'll adjust the cost accordingly. That's 77.63 million. If you recall the last time we talked, TxDOT is requiring -- the headquarters is requiring the districts to add 4% inflation per year, per year two year of let. So this project currently has two, possibly three years of inflation at 12%. So that number will continually go down as we get closer to the actual let date. And I think staff's got plans. We're going to review them together at our next staff meeting just to make sure that whatever TxDOT's proposing to do is consistent with what the city wants from a mobility standpoint and a development standpoint. Okay. So the Dallas Drive interim improvements, if you've been over there, you see that we put those delineators up so that the folks coming from the Calaways or the northbound frontage road from the mall, their only option is to turn north onto Dallas Drive. They cannot cross anymore. So as you're approaching that intersection from the freeway, your options are to move to the left side of the delineators, cross Dallas Drive and get on the frontage road, continue straight through. And so it's minimized a lot of the impacts of conflicts there, and it buys us some time to work on more permanent improvement to that intersection going forward. Okay, your 35E merge. This is the big project. It's ready to let in March 22. We've got most of the right-of-way acquired. We believe we'll have the rest of the right-of-way by the end of this month. And moving full on into utility relocations. We've got EECOM and Stantec are doing the design for the work and they've hired, TxDOT's hired LTRA to do the actual utility coordination. And we are actively working with the utilities in the corridor. City staff meets regularly with TxDOT folks. We had a meeting yesterday just to try to deal with some issues, and we're on track for the March 22. I mean, the June 22 ready to let date. And remember, it's showing January 25 until this summer. Once we add a new year to unified transportation plan, this project will move back into the 22 year for let. Okay, this is a new one from our last meeting. I think we went over it, but we didn't have it in the report per se. But these are the interim improvements at 380 and 35. It's just a partial on the map. If we put the whole thing in, you wouldn't be able to see it. Essentially what we're doing is we're flipping the ramps so that the exit just there at 380 comes out and that becomes an on ramp and to the south, the on ramp becomes an exit, and we're adding additional lanes on the main lanes, an auxiliary lane to connect those two and then we'll take that auxiliary all the way up to the bridge deck so that it'll essentially add another line of traffic on 35 and move all of the conflicting movements onto the frontage road and then if you'll see there at 380 we're coming in and we're making some changes to the intersection itself to allow for a longer transition to turn right and then the ability to do dual left and two through going northbound so that should add more capacity throughput at the intersection and so we're anticipating having this project let in July, and text that is requested, both from the headquarters and city staff if they can work essentially 24 hours a day to try to get this resolved quickly and we're, we're still working on that detail, but the intent is we got a problem now, fix it now, and nobody gets hung in effigy, or in reality. This is a bigger project that goes north from 77 all the way to the county line it's the 800 million dollar project. Again those numbers are inflated for the inflation year. It's about a year behind the section from 77 south. They are breaking it up into three sections not because they don't have the funding they're breaking it up in three sections because if they keep the dollar amount for each let at a certain number, they can, they have fewer requirements and restrictions on what they can do as far as the letting process so that project is moving forward and yeah, that's pretty much it. Okay on the main lanes, this is the main lanes from the merge 35 W south to where they end at 3C, which is the section of the North Terran Express that's coming up from the south that centers building. And then this picks up where center leaves off and does the main lanes. The, we're on track for an environmental clearance this summer we put out a notice affording opportunity to people asked for the hearing. Text up met with each of those two people individually got direct questions answered and so there will not be an actual public hearing on this project. We were just working through the summary and analysis portion to have the document cleared by July of this year. We're already in the process of identifying right away. And I think on the next project is the frontage road project. This is the one that we're most interested in. We are acquiring right away we believe that about this time next year, roughly. Somewhere next year we'll have all the right away acquired. We are looking at areas of focus, unless the new stimulus packets coming down provides additional funding that we don't know about. We're looking at an emphasis area to break out some portion of this project and go first right now. The leading thinking on this project for phase one would be from somewhere just south of 407. North to the split where the wishbone project picks up and that covers from a development standpoint. The Avalon Centurion American project, all of the Hillwood developments and coal ranch. So if we, if we have to, we'll just break that project out if not we'll do the whole thing because we got some stimulus money. Okay, so this is a project under construction. So if you'll go to the next one, we'll just look at the construction report. Pretty much everything's going well on this project. There's not a lot of conflicting movements. The text that agreed from day one that they'd keep all traffic lanes open to traffic while they were working. They've had their shift to the north. And it seems to be going without too much impediment to traffic and adjacent properties. And it's still on track for 23 October completion. 380 East. We continue to have very involved conversations with utilities on this corridor. That's the critical path. We've seen, I would say, significant movement from the two principal entities that are impacting the schedule and that's co-serving opportunity. A lot of progress has been made in the last week and a half. So we'll update the let date probably next month and try to get a realistic date. I don't think we're going to make the May 21 let date, but I don't think it's going to be as bad as what we thought just 60, 30 days ago. Okay. So the feasibility study, we were hoping to be able to come tell you that it's about to be shut down and we can put it on the shelf and stop worrying about it. But at the after this last cycle of updates that HDR did protect start while they were completing this feasibility study, if you see that yellow box, everything east of 377 to the county line, their new demographics based on what cause going to be updating when they update the mobility plan projects that in the next 12 years, where they're going to be placing community the size of the city of Richardson inside that box. So they're anticipating 90,000 residents in the box between 380 377 to West, the outer loop to the north and the county line slash toll road to the to the east. So, what that tells text that is that they need to move pretty quickly from feasibility to environmental clearing of 380 as a, as a freeway and didn't county is moving forward with a bond program in November of this year, and we're fairly confident that will have on that bond program funding to begin the environmental clearance of the outer loop from where it hits the county line and Colin over to back on to 35 we're initially we're thinking we would go down to 288 but text that when their study indicates that the outer loop needs to continue as it is on 288 East thoroughfare plan. West and hit 35 somewhere around Milan road which is where your thoroughfare plan shows it. So, we thought we were done, and we're just now getting into the deep part of the pool on this one. So, West Chang Patel has submitted a contract dollar amount to the county, we're processing that contract now, and the schedule for the plans being complete or October 23 so we got plenty of time to get that done. The project was cleared in 2020 they're acquiring the right away there's significant right away issues on 288 because each of those parcels that impact a gas well as a right away acquisition process also includes coordination with the utility relocations and transmission lines and it's very involved. So if we can beat the December 24 date. We'll move it up because this project that text started asked it in county to pursue. And from a design standpoint, because they want to get the project funded because again this is part of the whole regional outer loop for the six county seven county region. In 2015 we've got a proposal from LTRA to do the engineering, the plan specifications and estimates we again anticipate having them on contract within the next month or so, the 42 million is a, again, an escalated dollar amount based on the 4% inflation to the 23 fiscal year. So the next step is to get LTRA on contract to do the design work. Okay, we are anticipating environmental clearance in the summer text that is already working on the right away map. So we can move into right away acquisition and text that's asking to make sure that we're doing 1173 the way it's supposed to be on the city's thoroughfare plan and we're asking for a letter of support from city of Denton crumb the county and whatnot to say yeah this is where we actually want it, since we're going to be making the improvements to 35 in this area. That includes the real location of 711 73 from its existing location to the Barthold road proposed alignment. And that's pretty much what I have. Sorry, my interface, I clicked weird. Any questions or comments. I can speak up because I've got one. I don't know if this is a city issue or text out or a combination of the two, but 377 is fantastic, having it opened up like it is. It's a two time way back if you're heading north, but if you're heading south, we still have the bottleneck at 35 because it's still one lane has to turn left one lane has turned right and only one lane can go straight to fill the three lanes on the other side. Do we know whose issue that is is that something text out has to handle or is that something the city needs to work on. I think it's a combination we'll get with x dot area office to see what needs to be done there it's a text up facilities but you know city of Denton manages the signals but yeah I think it's a situation where we just need to bring it up to staff and see what we need to do to get more traffic through there I agree. I drive through there all the time and it needs to have dual movements at least. Yeah, at five o'clock, you're backed up to racetrack, which is three to four lights to get through. Correct. Yes, Councilmember and we are absolutely looking into that we've actually already contacted the local office, and we're talking about that area. And I understand there's only one that can go straight one that can turn right, right and one that can turn left so one lane, and then you're going underneath where the bridge has multiple lanes and so in those multiple lanes continue on on to the new 377 so we are definitely looking at that we've been having conversations with textile, and then hope to have some kind of resolution here as soon so I do appreciate you bringing that to our attention. Other questions or comments. I want to say I'm marking January 2022 on my calendar for the improvements at 35 the interim improvements to 35 and 380. Thank you very much for hearing and communicating our collective cry. All right, that'll conclude that item. Thanks very much Mr poster, and let's move on then to item see receiver report and hold the discussion regarding updates from the Denton County Transportation Authority. We have. And Councilmember Meltzer I'm, I'm sorry to let you know we have still not received any correspondence this morning via either text or email from DC ta I know they have a scheduling conflict and we're going to have another individual join us today to give that presentation, and they've yet to join us so I apologize for that but do not want to and cannot speak on their behalf so definitely something that will reach out and see if they have any. If everything's okay. So we're not sure what the situation is at this time but have not heard anything from them yet. So, with that, that is really all that we have today and so we're not going to be able to have a presentation on that item. Yeah, I, to the extent that you have communication, if you know I keep hearing. Well I heard a comment yesterday and counsel from member of the public, suggesting that same tone that it's a fait accompli that we're moving from fixed to to on demand when that was has been had been presented as such as a pilot program to evaluate, and I would just remind you that it may come up in your conversations that I warned against creeping conviction that if there is that we have to be open to see what the data actually tells us, and not be not a blinders on. I hope it works out open provides greater convenience and, you know, at good cost and improves public transportation but let's you know let's see what actually happens. That's my message. I strongly second that I said it better myself. I appreciate that feedback will definitely pass that along I did hear the same sentiments in the council meeting yesterday and so definitely something that we can pass along to DC ta. Thanks. No problem. That's what Ryan point that point counterpoint. Yeah, I think that once people because I've been in a lot more meetings about that, as far as the on demand I think is it is it's implemented people actually like a lot better. Yeah, I mean, change always, you know, makes me yeah nobody likes change but this is, you know, the response time is much faster on this you're not having to wait as long as what you currently do. Well, I'm very hopeful. Not so hopeful that I don't want to see what actually happens. So, so let's close that item for today and the only thing remaining is identified items of interest for future consideration. So I don't know if you have anything you wanted to tee up, Becky or if you just sort of sort of a placeholder for us to bring anything. Yes, sir, that's actually just a location for if there's anything additional I know last meeting we talked about a feedback and update as we will continue to do on the senior planner bicycle pedestrian and ADA position, and then any future items that you have what I'm my goal is is to have a running log of those items, so that staff can bring them back to you some of the items may take a little bit longer to do research on. And so I want to make sure that we're scheduling those appropriately and addressing the concerns as they are received and so. Really, the exhibit that you see in your packet is, it's just kind of the start of what I hope to be able to present and bring those items back to you. I know one specifically that Councilmember Ryan brought up today is that 377 interchange at three at 35. Too many highways I'll start with the same number three. So, so but we definitely that's one that we're looking into and so we will have a response back and more than likely that will happen in advance of the next mobility committee meeting but if there's anything additional that you would like to bring up now would be a perfect time for you to do so, so that we can bring those back and address the concerns as we receive them. Can we go for the unmute button Councilmember armature. No. Okay. As well Ryan anything you'd like to tip. This is already kind of in the works I've already put forward but probably would work well on this and that is the T's Lee and Hobson. If you're on T's Lee turning right on the Hobson. The radius there is not large enough for trucks with trailers, and I'm talking about a pickup truck with a lot of equipment on the back. That's, it's very difficult to maneuver, and it may just be some restriping that needs to be done but I've seen several times or that intersection gets stopped because they have to wait for the light to clear Hobson so they can make it the rest of the way around. You know sir, I absolutely understand I think we have received that question, and I know that that's something that Daniel Kramer who was here was absolutely looking into so definitely something that's on the list that is being evaluated as far as that turning movement, and so it's specifically for folks just so I understand and this is the way I understood the comment that came through is for folks that are traveling on T's Lee to make the right hand turn to get on to Hobson Lane near the church that's located at that intersection. It's just that they don't have the ability to make the turn due to the radius right there without actually going over the curb. It may just be due to the skew of the intersection. Is that correct sir. That's correct. Okay, it may just be putting the stop line further back so that cars that are on Hobson don't make this far forward. It may be an actual curb and adding just a little bit more to that radius may just be striping and moving a mobile but just to take a look at how we can make it easier for it because that's it. It's more than a normal 90 degree turn right there. You're actually going backwards so when you're trying to pull something behind you it's very difficult. No, I appreciate those comments. Thank you and will definitely continue to look into that I know, like I mentioned Danny is looking at that intersection. Any items to tip. I have one that seems to have fallen off the list. Well please let me know. I'm talking about and I do, I do openly reveal that I live on West Oak Street so I see this all the time, but we've talked a number of times about West Oak Street from Bradley West. That's a roller coaster. I'm interested in a solution, but I'm at least equally interested in a root cause analysis. So that we can identify what steps are are maybe missing I don't know if it's the only place in Denton, where you know relatively new construction has turned into, you know, such a roller coaster. But, you know, and maybe you'll tell me it's completely isolated in which case, I'm just interested in solution but it's, you know, I think it's kind of an embarrassment that that this happened, and it should be fixed so I would at least say assessment or something to identify next steps regarding that section of street. Thank you for that, and we will definitely look into that. That actually reminds me I had shaken my head no I have nothing else to add. That reminds me of concern on Hickory that the part of Hickory that is that intersects with with Bonnie Bray. I had made a report on this before and there was supposed. I made a report I mean just, you know, submitted a kind of concern to to counsel and to staff and there was something in a Friday report saying they were going to do a traffic study in that area. And I had noticed, and heard from residents in that area you know and also witnessed that cars go really fast, kind of coming like off the highway or off Bonnie Bray down that beginning part of Hickory now and as you go down I guess that would be going east on Hickory. My sense is that people tend to slow down. But people go really fast, coming off there and it's an area that, you know, young families live there they're kids, seniors with disabilities. And so it's just it's concerning. There's also an issue right around there that I haven't reported but I have noticed, and that is Avenue G is divided into two, and I know I believe it was Mayor Pro Tem Davis who had asked for a community of some sort on kind of streets that split up into two where they really are two separate streets that have the same name and it's confusing to people. At least that's what I recall that he had brought that up. Avenue G, it is I'm not sure if it quite counts as that in my mind it does, but there's Hickory, and Hickory is a one way. And you have people who are going down Avenue G from Oak Street, who want to continue on Avenue G. But to continue on Avenue G which kind of splits up. You have to make an illegal right, and basically go the wrong way down Hickory. And I have I have seen that, because I drive down part of Hickory a lot I've seen that a number of times. People do that. And now there's a one way sign right there that intersection so I don't know if they're not seeing the sign, or if they're just saying, oh, there's no one here. I have no idea what people are thinking. Maybe simply changing the street name, and I know that's complicated people have to change their mailing address, but so that it's, they don't see it as a continuation of the same street but a different street maybe that would help. But, but that's a real concern, and I bet, you know, if you just had someone monitor that you know you would probably see multiple times a day, people do that, and it's just it's really an accident, waiting to happen I don't know if there's been one. I guess is that it probably has something to do with the fact that the street is split into two and it has the same name, you know, so people were planning, they had it in their mind they're going to keep going down Avenue G, and they're not going to let the fact that there's a one way street going the wrong way. Stop them. So I don't know what the solutions are but it is a problem. Thank you for bringing that to our attention and let us look into that we can see if there's been any accidents in that area and if there's any improvements that can be made at that intersection that will help so no I appreciate you bringing that to our attention thank you very much. Okay. Anything else. Seeing no other movement.