WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.360 Good afternoon, everyone. 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:14.000 This is the public art committee meeting for Friday, April 16, 2021. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:18.280 We have one excused absence today. 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:26.760 One possible other absence that may also be excused or to be determined. 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:32.360 This is my first time running the meeting, so please go easy on me. 00:00:32.360 --> 00:00:39.400 Eddie, if I could get some direction from you, do we just want to go over the meeting minutes 00:00:39.400 --> 00:00:47.840 from last meeting and after reviewing those, get a motion to approve? 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:48.840 That is correct. 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:53.240 You've already mentioned about the there's no public comments, right? 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:58.480 There's no public comments. 00:00:58.480 --> 00:00:59.480 No public comments today. 00:00:59.480 --> 00:01:00.480 Sure thing. 00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:05.560 So go ahead and read out the first item for consideration, part A, you just read it and 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:12.400 then ask if there's anything that anyone want to add for the minutes or you guys approve 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:13.400 it. 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:14.400 Sure. 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:19.440 And you want me to read all of part A? 00:01:19.440 --> 00:01:20.440 Yes, sir. 00:01:20.440 --> 00:01:21.440 Okay. 00:01:21.440 --> 00:01:28.320 Under section 551.042 of the Texas Open Meetings Act, respond to inquiries from the public 00:01:28.320 --> 00:01:34.480 art committee or public with specific factual information or recitation of policy. 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:36.240 Eddie, I'm sorry. 00:01:36.240 --> 00:01:38.800 What I meant is items for consideration. 00:01:38.800 --> 00:01:39.800 Items for consideration. 00:01:39.800 --> 00:01:40.800 Yes. 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:41.800 Starting with part A. 00:01:41.800 --> 00:01:50.600 Well, there were two part A's, so like I said, I'll be good for comic value today, I see. 00:01:50.600 --> 00:02:01.040 Items for consideration, PAC 21-007, consider approval of the minutes of March 4th, 2021. 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:08.720 Thank you. 00:02:08.720 --> 00:02:14.720 And as chair, I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes. 00:02:14.720 --> 00:02:18.000 Do we have a second? 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:19.000 I'll second. 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:22.320 We have multiple seconds. 00:02:22.320 --> 00:02:24.000 All in favor? 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.000 Aye. 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:26.000 Aye. 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:27.000 Aye. 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:28.000 Aye. 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:29.000 All against? 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:33.560 The ayes have it. 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:37.120 Let's move on to item for consideration B. 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.120 Who seconded? 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:41.120 Meredith. 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:42.120 Meredith. 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:43.120 Thank you. 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:44.120 Sure thing. 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:50.320 Item B, PAC 21-008, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding 00:02:50.320 --> 00:02:53.680 the status of the following public art committee projects. 00:02:53.680 --> 00:03:00.280 One, the G. Rowland Vela Athletic Complex, two, Tennis Center, three, Fire Station number 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:07.400 three, four, MLK Junior Recreation Center Sculpture, and number five, Denton Women's 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.640 Interracial Fellowship Monument. 00:03:09.640 --> 00:03:17.560 Ed, this is John Whitmore, Park's planning manager, and I will be able to do that presentation. 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.560 All right. 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:27.600 I can't believe I read the wrong part A. Oh, it does happen. 00:03:27.600 --> 00:03:28.600 Okay. 00:03:28.600 --> 00:03:30.560 Here we go. 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:36.240 First of all, let's talk about the G. Rowland Athletic Complex. 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:37.520 Everything's moving quite along. 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:41.400 It's currently under fabrication, the sculpture is. 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:46.040 The next steps on that will be complete the sculpture fabrication and then complete the 00:03:46.040 --> 00:03:48.240 redesign of the base under the sculpture. 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:52.360 We're actually going to try to put some more vegetation around it to give it a little bit 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:59.800 of buffer between anybody trying to grab the sculpture, so it could get hot. 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:01.760 I happen to have pictures of the fabrications. 00:04:01.760 --> 00:04:05.280 I thought everybody would like to see. 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:10.800 This area here, that is the very center of the sculpture in the ball, the soccer ball 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:18.800 port, and these are support structures that will go to be able to create the overall ball, 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:24.420 and you can see it coming together in their workshop right here, and you can see the Texas 00:04:24.420 --> 00:04:30.760 star now in that ball there, and then the construction of the whole rest of that structure 00:04:30.760 --> 00:04:31.760 for it. 00:04:31.760 --> 00:04:37.740 So I thought it's really going to come along, and they're not expecting to have any other 00:04:37.740 --> 00:04:42.400 complications in this fabrication for it. 00:04:42.400 --> 00:04:45.800 Did anybody have any questions? 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.480 Okay, I'll move on to the next one then. 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.840 All right, the tennis center, mostly that's completed. 00:04:52.840 --> 00:04:54.000 We can start working on that. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:59.360 I'm going to bring the subcommittee together, and right now that subcommittee is Franklin 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:00.760 Nixon and Steele. 00:05:00.760 --> 00:05:04.680 Ed, I think you're on every last one of them from what I looked at. 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.560 You must have volunteered a lot. 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.760 I do that, yeah. 00:05:08.760 --> 00:05:13.040 Anyway, we're going to start that initiation since we have an area identified out there 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:18.320 that we can take a look at for it, and so we'll have that subcommittee kick that off, 00:05:18.320 --> 00:05:22.520 and we'll be able to get going and get that concept out. 00:05:22.520 --> 00:05:27.960 Fire station number three, there were some questions on the subcommittee for that one. 00:05:27.960 --> 00:05:30.160 We are now ready to get that one rolling. 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:35.960 They have completed all the demolition of the old one, and they finished doing a sidewalk 00:05:35.960 --> 00:05:40.280 that surrounds the area where that sculpture is going to go. 00:05:40.280 --> 00:05:47.160 I'll call the subcommittee together, but I've got a feeling that was a pre-proposed one. 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:53.720 I know, Ed, you had all of them, but I think it was ... Was it Michelle, were you also 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:54.720 on that one? 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.160 I think Lene was on that one. 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:02.840 I just wanted to confirm, make sure, don't know. 00:06:02.840 --> 00:06:04.160 That one's been around for so long. 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.360 We've had so many members come and go. 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:08.600 I still was, though, yeah. 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.360 I'm still trying to help with that. 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:12.360 Okay. 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:16.240 You may remember that they'd actually asked us to hold off on doing the project until they 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:22.360 had areas that they could identify because they wanted to pick where they wanted it, 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:23.540 so they've done that. 00:06:23.540 --> 00:06:28.120 I went out and took some pictures of those areas, and it looks like it'd be a viable 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.360 area for it, so I will get that group together. 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:37.880 MLK, they're moving along with that one. 00:06:37.880 --> 00:06:41.640 They've almost completed all of the rough out. 00:06:41.640 --> 00:06:49.080 The artist, Madeline Wiener, she has one of her associates do the large rough out of the 00:06:49.080 --> 00:06:53.920 entire block, and then she comes in and does all that finish work for it. 00:06:53.920 --> 00:07:00.360 That's currently just finishing up the rough work, and then she will finish that part. 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:07.600 Secondly, right now, we're starting to prepare the site, and so we'll be moving the flag 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:11.600 poles and then preparing the concrete and the base all through there. 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:17.960 The area around the sculpture is going to be a stamped concrete with oak leaves and 00:07:17.960 --> 00:07:24.920 various leaves of the area, so then the sculptures will sit on top of that base, and then we'll 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:30.160 landscape a little bit around it and also improve some landscaping around the MLK center 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:35.080 in the front to set that off a little bit better, but it will be almost right next to 00:07:35.080 --> 00:07:36.080 the center. 00:07:36.080 --> 00:07:42.720 All right, the DWIF monument, there isn't a week that goes by that I don't talk to the 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:43.720 artist. 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:47.400 She's researching very fiercely all different things, and I think, Michelle, you've been 00:07:47.400 --> 00:07:48.840 talking with her? 00:07:48.840 --> 00:07:55.240 Yes, I have, and I have an ask for the committee when you get a moment. 00:07:55.240 --> 00:08:01.120 Okay, well, we can do that at the end of the presentation, so we should be getting that 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:02.120 real quick. 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.760 So, anyway, that's under fabrication. 00:08:04.760 --> 00:08:10.400 We're also working with a landscape architect firm to be able to have industrial street 00:08:10.400 --> 00:08:16.200 park redesigned a bit to be able to really show off this whole thing, and we'll be bringing 00:08:16.200 --> 00:08:20.880 that design to show the pack, I think, at the next meeting when we have a little bit 00:08:20.880 --> 00:08:22.840 farther along with it. 00:08:22.840 --> 00:08:27.600 All right, now, any questions that we have? 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:31.480 I think, Michelle, if you want to bring up your ask. 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:40.000 Yes, so, Dina is so, I don't know, diligent in what she's doing, and it's really important 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:46.160 to her to get each of these 96 images to be something that's meaningful, and so what I 00:08:46.160 --> 00:08:53.600 have to ask is that she is looking for modern-day pictures taken now of kids in interracial 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:54.600 groupings. 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.680 She's looking for something that's either going to be like a head and chest or a head 00:08:57.680 --> 00:09:06.640 to torso, either horizontal or vertical, but just of different kids under 18, like birth 00:09:06.640 --> 00:09:11.280 to 18, in multi-ethnic groupings doing stuff. 00:09:11.280 --> 00:09:14.040 I sent her some of the goal soccer teams. 00:09:14.040 --> 00:09:19.760 She's got access to the DISD ones now, but if you have kids or grandkids or neighbors 00:09:19.760 --> 00:09:25.720 or family members who you would like to maybe have memorialized in this statue, could you 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:30.740 please send either me or John, or just send it to Dina, if you can, I'm sure she'll take 00:09:30.740 --> 00:09:35.240 it from you, of any of those pictures that you could send. 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:40.280 That would be really great, and then that would make it even more special to Denton, 00:09:40.280 --> 00:09:42.760 because it would be people from Denton in these pictures. 00:09:42.760 --> 00:09:48.520 And she's looking for as high res of a picture as can be. 00:09:48.520 --> 00:09:54.720 Yes, but if you have a newer iPhone, those pictures are actually adequate, she said, 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:00.040 so do the best you can, but the technology is definitely working in our favor. 00:10:00.040 --> 00:10:06.440 And if you have pictures that you don't have electronically, we can scan those. 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:11.280 Well I'm sure we have some at the Greater Denton Arts Council, and if you'll give me 00:10:11.280 --> 00:10:15.920 the email address, I can send them to her, as well as to you. 00:10:15.920 --> 00:10:17.400 Okay, super. 00:10:17.400 --> 00:10:24.640 Okay, we'll send that out. 00:10:24.640 --> 00:10:38.000 Okay, any other questions on the project updates? 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:43.320 Just a quick thing, it may not be on a project update, but I missed a meeting at the end 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:49.960 of last year, but has anything been proposed about the recently completed mural over on 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:56.200 Roberson Street under the VITA, as far as unveiling or any other, just, I went back 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.160 through the notes and didn't see that I missed anything, but has that even been discussed 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:05.360 or talked about the foundations of our history mural? 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:10.880 John, I can chime in, Gary Pack, and Director of Parks and Recreation. 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:14.520 We are working on identifying a date to get that set. 00:11:14.520 --> 00:11:22.600 We wanted to get past the vaccines and all that and get closer into the better temperatures. 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:27.480 We were looking at maybe Juneteenth, but then we thought, well, we don't want to overlap 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:32.440 and kind of take away some of the excitement of that, so we're reaching out for another 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:36.720 date, so we'll get something to you guys as soon as possible with a date that's good for 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:42.040 the community and the subject matter. 00:11:42.040 --> 00:11:45.480 Thank you. 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:46.480 Thank you. 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:48.280 Good question. 00:11:48.280 --> 00:11:57.640 Okay, if there's no more discussion, we'll move on to item C. Pack 21-010, receive a 00:11:57.640 --> 00:12:01.800 report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the public art purchased 00:12:01.800 --> 00:12:04.240 by artist J.B. Miller. 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:08.120 Okay, hang on. 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:14.400 Let me get this ready. 00:12:14.400 --> 00:12:18.200 Okay. 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:29.120 All right, can everybody see that now? 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:30.120 Yes. 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:31.120 All right, great. 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:32.120 All right. 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:37.960 An opportunity has come up to be able to take a look at a purchase of a J.B. Miller art 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:38.960 piece. 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:45.040 It's essentially a part of the estate of J.B. Miller, and when he passed, he left everything 00:12:45.040 --> 00:12:51.760 he had to his wife, and now she has passed, and the estate is now looking at selling off 00:12:51.760 --> 00:12:57.800 some of the sculptures and various things that he had around his home and workshop, 00:12:57.800 --> 00:12:59.480 and so this was brought to our attention. 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:03.760 There were actually two pieces, and one of them got sold out from under us. 00:13:03.760 --> 00:13:08.400 However, there's another one that looks like it could be something that we want to be able 00:13:08.400 --> 00:13:09.400 to do. 00:13:09.400 --> 00:13:15.160 Again, J.B. Miller, John Brough Miller, he taught ceramics and sculpture at Texas Women's 00:13:15.160 --> 00:13:16.160 University. 00:13:16.160 --> 00:13:22.000 He made a lot of these very large monumental steel sculptures, and he worked early out 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:28.200 of his workshop garage in Argo, and his work is now located in five different states, and 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.040 we actually have one of his sculptures. 00:13:31.040 --> 00:13:35.800 It used to be located, I believe, at the fire station, and it was moved across the street 00:13:35.800 --> 00:13:40.800 to the visual arts center. 00:13:40.800 --> 00:13:43.560 And so this is the piece that we're looking at. 00:13:43.560 --> 00:13:46.920 This is called Elevated Mass in Space. 00:13:46.920 --> 00:13:49.400 The cost is $2,900. 00:13:49.400 --> 00:13:51.040 This is a fairly large sculpture. 00:13:51.040 --> 00:13:57.600 That's 23 feet high from base all the way to the top, and it's five feet wide at the 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:58.880 latest. 00:13:58.880 --> 00:14:09.200 We thought the location of this, we looked at a few locations of that, and possible is 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:14.480 on Carroll Boulevard and any of those locations that we've already identified on Carroll Boulevard, 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:21.560 where a future sculpture needs to go, or actually over at Clear Creek Natural Heritage Center. 00:14:21.560 --> 00:14:23.480 So we've prepared a few things. 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:27.460 This is some of the areas that on Carroll Boulevard it could go. 00:14:27.460 --> 00:14:33.820 This is, because it's such a tall sculpture, it has a good visibility from a long way, 00:14:33.820 --> 00:14:39.140 and from a long walkway all the way across this area like here would work really well 00:14:39.140 --> 00:14:43.780 being able to see it from a distance, and as the angle changes, it really has a very 00:14:43.780 --> 00:14:49.380 interesting look of that whole upper section of the sculpture. 00:14:49.380 --> 00:14:54.480 And so there's a couple of other areas there that we could possibly see on Carroll, again 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:09.000 following the walkway of areas that we've previously identified. 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.720 And then these are some areas that we've looked at at Clear Creek. 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:17.940 As I mentioned before, this is a very tall sculpture, and so if somebody's walking along 00:15:17.940 --> 00:15:23.600 the trail here, and then they can see this from a distance and then get a different angle 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:28.680 on it all the way through, or people walking back this particular direction, or even here 00:15:28.680 --> 00:15:33.080 close to where the trailhead is right as a part of it. 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:38.240 So those, we have some excellent locations, a variety of different ones. 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:48.000 What we have is $2,900 for, we can take that, the funding out of unallocated CEO money that 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.000 we have for public art. 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:54.360 We have about $20,000 in it, and this only cost about $2,900 for it. 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:59.320 I checked this morning, the piece is still available, and so if we wanted to purchase, 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:03.180 we could do that if we wanted. 00:16:03.180 --> 00:16:04.180 Any questions? 00:16:04.180 --> 00:16:06.360 I have a question. 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.040 I apologize for not being able to make the last few meetings because I was teaching during 00:16:10.040 --> 00:16:16.520 that time, but at one of the last meetings I was at, we were looking at a different local 00:16:16.520 --> 00:16:22.600 artist's work who also made kind of very similar large-scale steel abstract forms, and we had 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:29.600 all decided that instead of spending money on those, we would prefer to put that money 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:35.440 towards what we would consider sort of like the future of public art in Denton as opposed 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:36.440 to the past. 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:42.960 I know we've had a lot of discussions about doing more sort of like temporary projects 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:48.440 and interdisciplinary projects, and I just wanted to clarify with the committee if that 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:55.800 was still like a strong interest or a goal, because personally I think the money would 00:16:55.800 --> 00:17:01.520 be better spent going in that sort of future-oriented direction as opposed to kind of celebrating. 00:17:01.520 --> 00:17:07.600 I understand it's important to celebrate someone from the community from the past, but I'd 00:17:07.600 --> 00:17:13.320 personally be excited to go in a different direction. 00:17:13.320 --> 00:17:16.280 Alicia, I'll echo what you said. 00:17:16.280 --> 00:17:20.000 From the years I've been on this committee, I think that we are trying to look forward 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:26.760 to the future of Denton, and I think that we were urged to and interested in being more 00:17:26.760 --> 00:17:31.920 experimental and trying the temporary art and seeing how many different directions we 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:37.120 could explore, so I agree that I'm sorry I've missed the last few meetings because I've 00:17:37.120 --> 00:17:44.120 had a teaching engagement as well, but I would like to agree with Alicia there. 00:17:44.120 --> 00:17:52.780 It looks to me like with the tall sculpture there, a temporary mounting wouldn't be possible. 00:17:52.780 --> 00:17:53.780 Is that something? 00:17:53.780 --> 00:18:01.640 It seems like it would have to be pretty permanent, secured to the platform it's hosted on. 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:08.720 Just to clarify, the temporary project I'm referring to is we had discussed creating 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:14.760 a temporary public art program, which Denton currently doesn't have, so it's not that we 00:18:14.760 --> 00:18:17.040 would try to mount this temporarily. 00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:19.600 This would obviously be very permanent. 00:18:19.600 --> 00:18:25.480 It would be acquired into the collection, so I think instead of spending that money 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:30.880 to acquire something else permanent, we would like to put it towards developing a temporary 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:31.880 public program. 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:36.600 At least that's what we talked about in the past. 00:18:36.600 --> 00:18:43.880 And that's absolutely, Michelle and Alicia are spot on, that was the decision that I 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:48.760 think the entire committee came to last time around that this opportunity came up, and 00:18:48.760 --> 00:18:55.520 I think it's awesome that staff is looking at opportunities like this. 00:18:55.520 --> 00:19:03.600 I would kind of echo the same thing that Michelle and Alicia said. 00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:05.520 I'm more excited about the temporary art program. 00:19:05.520 --> 00:19:12.080 That's, I mean, obviously that's a rather large sculpture. 00:19:12.080 --> 00:19:15.760 I don't want to make a reference to the Benji movie again because I'll just get my age away, 00:19:15.760 --> 00:19:23.040 but that piece looks like the stuff that I've seen growing up in Denton since the 70s. 00:19:23.040 --> 00:19:28.880 It just doesn't look in the direction that we've discussed that we want public art to 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:29.880 go. 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:38.080 But it does raise the question about money that's available because I know my understanding 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:44.800 was that this was like a kind of tight budget year in terms of money, but if there is money 00:19:44.800 --> 00:19:49.920 available, I know we've kind of been putting the temporary program off on a back burner 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.360 because we didn't feel like we had the money or the resources for it right now. 00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:57.120 But if there is money available, maybe we need to move that in the future to a front 00:19:57.120 --> 00:19:59.480 burner discussion. 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:00.680 Let's get it started. 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:06.640 Let's do some of these light-based and temporary and the wraps and the interesting temporary 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:07.640 stuff. 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:09.840 Yeah, if there's money, let's do it. 00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:18.680 Let's make it interesting. 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:28.440 So the agenda item for consideration C is to give staff direction regarding the purchase. 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:33.800 So I guess we would probably need to vote on this, right? 00:20:33.800 --> 00:20:34.800 Yeah. 00:20:34.800 --> 00:20:37.080 If anyone wants to make a motion or I can make a motion. 00:20:37.080 --> 00:20:41.240 I would make a motion to not purchase it. 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.280 I would second. 00:20:44.280 --> 00:20:49.800 So all in favor of not purchasing it. 00:20:49.800 --> 00:20:50.800 Please raise your hand. 00:20:50.800 --> 00:20:51.800 Aye. 00:20:51.800 --> 00:20:52.800 Aye. 00:20:52.800 --> 00:20:58.740 And rather than go around Robin, are there any nays? 00:20:58.740 --> 00:20:59.740 No nays. 00:20:59.740 --> 00:21:03.080 So the ayes have it in favor of not purchasing. 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:08.280 But thank you very much for keeping your eyes on the lookout for stuff like that. 00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:11.560 Ed, this is Gary. 00:21:11.560 --> 00:21:14.480 Just as a general comment. 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:19.520 So this came to us and we wanted to share it with the board, like you just mentioned. 00:21:19.520 --> 00:21:25.400 But I guess it would be good to get clarity on when things come like this, what do you 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:32.800 want to see so we can identify what you may want and what we don't want to bring to you 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:35.800 just so we're efficient with your time. 00:21:35.800 --> 00:21:43.360 And honestly, that didn't take very much time, but I don't want to waste your time, right? 00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:44.360 Sure. 00:21:44.360 --> 00:21:48.800 That would be my response is like, I don't want you to feel like waste your time collecting 00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:53.160 a bunch of information and like all those drawings you did about potential locations, 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.160 I imagine. 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:55.160 Right. 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:56.160 It's a lot of time. 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.360 And that those locations will be useful, I think, in the future for other projects. 00:22:00.360 --> 00:22:04.400 So it was not I don't I don't see it as time wasted. 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:10.940 As far as bringing items like this to the committee, I don't want to say, yeah, keep 00:22:10.940 --> 00:22:11.940 doing it. 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:17.080 We'll keep saying no, because there's certainly opportunities where I'm sure we wouldn't. 00:22:17.080 --> 00:22:22.480 So my feeling on it is bring them on and we'll talk about them and, you know, some other 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.520 work gets done locations identified and we move on. 00:22:26.520 --> 00:22:31.440 And if somebody's offering, oh, go ahead. 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:35.280 I was going to say, if somebody is offering us art, I would think that it would it would 00:22:35.280 --> 00:22:40.320 be best for us if the committee did get to take a look as a group of ordinary citizens. 00:22:40.320 --> 00:22:44.040 And instead of just saying, oh, the city turned us down or the city accepted. 00:22:44.040 --> 00:22:51.440 You could know that with confidence that the committee was also seeing what you were seeing. 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:59.480 What turned my vote in aside from just going along with the planned and historical I'm 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:04.960 new to this committee, so I'm just trying to follow what what others have proposed in 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:06.240 the history of the committee. 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:11.720 But I heard in part of that proposal that we already had a sculpture by this artist 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:13.560 in town installed. 00:23:13.560 --> 00:23:18.320 So we've already kind of respected the history in that regard. 00:23:18.320 --> 00:23:19.880 Right. 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:28.120 And I think also if further down the line, when we do start talking about the temporary 00:23:28.120 --> 00:23:35.320 art project and things of people, if we have, you know, members of the community and public 00:23:35.320 --> 00:23:43.680 looking back at our decision making and, you know, figuring out what we're our thought 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:50.320 processes and they can, you know, watch and listen and kind of figure out what we're thinking 00:23:50.320 --> 00:23:55.080 and decision, I don't know, decision making and join in the conversation and things like 00:23:55.080 --> 00:24:04.960 that, but so is this a time to talk about that project or do we wait? 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.040 It would have to have been submitted. 00:24:07.040 --> 00:24:08.040 Submitted. 00:24:08.040 --> 00:24:09.040 OK. 00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:10.040 Yeah. 00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:15.600 As we can in the items for discussion at the end of the meeting, I'm sure that could be 00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:18.400 brought up and asked to be put on the next meeting's agenda. 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.840 But for the purposes of now, if there's no further discussion, we'll move on to item 00:24:22.840 --> 00:24:32.000 D. Item D, PAC 21-011, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.960 the North Lakes Dog Park sculpture. 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:38.320 Ed, I think we may have skipped over one. 00:24:38.320 --> 00:24:40.920 There's one on graffiti. 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.520 It was just a report into it. 00:24:44.520 --> 00:24:45.920 That's E, right? 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:46.920 Yeah. 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:47.920 Graffiti's E. 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:48.920 Oh, OK. 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:49.920 Yeah. 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:50.920 My apologies. 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:56.560 I even came prepared, so I didn't see that one was skipped. 00:24:56.560 --> 00:25:02.280 So yeah, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding the North 00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:03.640 Lakes Dog Park sculpture. 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:04.640 OK. 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:08.400 I'm going to share my screen. 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:14.000 All right. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.200 Now this one has been a long time coming, and so I know with this, I think we went out 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:25.000 three different times to be able to find an artist and a sculpture that was meeting the 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.520 whimsical side of this. 00:25:27.520 --> 00:25:34.360 And our budget was $35,000, and now we're at the approval of the proposal. 00:25:34.360 --> 00:25:39.880 Our subcommittee has reviewed those different proposals, and the highest score by weighting 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:44.960 and all the other averages I could possibly do was 23 Design Company proposal. 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:51.920 And so the next step after this, if approved by the Public Art Committee, would be to take 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:53.920 this to City Council. 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.440 And so let's take a look. 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:01.120 Everybody remembers the site location, so it's right there in the middle of the North 00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:02.440 Lakes Dog Park area. 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:10.760 There is this area here or this pedestal that has lights that will shine up from below to 00:26:10.760 --> 00:26:13.120 the art piece. 00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:16.240 And the proposal is this. 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:24.400 And so what we have is a piece that's called Fetch, and it essentially is the artist and 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:30.160 the artist group went to the dog park itself, sat there and watched all the dogs playing 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:35.640 and saw that the most common thing that was happening was a fetch type of arrangement. 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:42.300 And so these dogs all leaping upwards to be able to get to the ball has that whimsical 00:26:42.300 --> 00:26:48.480 feel that people had, especially with the poor dog here being stepped on while getting 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:49.480 up there. 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:56.740 It is a total of 16 feet and about four feet in diameter and our pedestal that we currently 00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:59.960 have is about three feet. 00:26:59.960 --> 00:27:03.800 And so here's some other angles that is on this. 00:27:03.800 --> 00:27:09.160 You can see as it rotates around, it's very, of course, 3D for it. 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:14.600 And you can see over here on this side, the poor dog that's there. 00:27:14.600 --> 00:27:22.200 And what from what I hear, this was actually a computer or generated thing of the artist's 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.940 own dog that he put there. 00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:26.760 And so that's a part of it. 00:27:26.760 --> 00:27:28.440 And so this is what it is. 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:32.740 It's made of aircraft aluminum that's powder coated. 00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:34.720 So it's really, really easy to maintain. 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:40.940 It's very, it's light, it's modular, where things can be taken apart and put back together. 00:27:40.940 --> 00:27:43.480 And so maintenance is quite easy to do. 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:50.360 The powder coating should last about 10 years to 20 years, even in our sun sunlight. 00:27:50.360 --> 00:27:57.020 And it can be repaired if there's any damage fairly easily for it. 00:27:57.020 --> 00:28:03.480 It's again, aircraft aluminum, and it also has stainless steel mounting brackets in the 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.560 frames that hold it together. 00:28:06.560 --> 00:28:15.600 Okay, I should have done that again, 25 year up to a 25 year life before recoding. 00:28:15.600 --> 00:28:20.480 Are those colors the actual colors? 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.680 That's the proposed colors, yes. 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:31.000 And are those linear elements made out of like aluminum tubing or what are those? 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.960 I believe so. 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:38.680 That's the first thing that jumped out at me is I feel like a kid or an adolescent is 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.800 just going to pull and swing on that and bend it. 00:28:42.800 --> 00:28:43.800 Is that possible? 00:28:43.800 --> 00:28:45.040 Is it malleable in that way? 00:28:45.040 --> 00:28:48.640 I don't believe so. 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:56.480 And that little green dog there, that's, you know, prime spot for pets, like that good 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:57.680 boy wants to get pet. 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.740 So people are going to come up and take pictures with them and all that. 00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:08.460 Are we concerned that maybe the powder coating would transfer heat? 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:11.440 I'm kind of a newbie, I don't know. 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.040 Generally aircraft aluminum doesn't get that hot. 00:29:14.040 --> 00:29:18.400 It transfers heat very well, it distributes it pretty good, pretty well. 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.080 And the coatings itself usually don't add much more heat, especially if they're more 00:29:22.080 --> 00:29:26.280 colorful like this, they're a little more reflective of that, of the heat. 00:29:26.280 --> 00:29:30.200 The other side of it is that this is there's not much room on top of the pedestal. 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:37.680 In the artist's diagrams and things that he's got, it takes up pretty much the whole top. 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:43.560 Would the, I know there were three light ports that essentially go up, are they, they're 00:29:43.560 --> 00:29:50.480 not obscured in any way, they took care to manage that, those light sources? 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:56.960 I don't have a view that shows that, but the artist and the artist's team, they did go 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.240 to the site and didn't expect it all. 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.680 Yeah, it looks like that could be arranged such that it'll just be illuminated and not 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:05.680 covered. 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:06.680 I'm sure they'd take that into consideration. 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:13.760 This really, this really fits the sentiment, I think, that we've been going for since the 00:30:13.760 --> 00:30:14.920 very beginning of this project. 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:21.800 I know it's morphed a number of times, but the mirth, I like the low polygon look of 00:30:21.800 --> 00:30:23.600 the dogs. 00:30:23.600 --> 00:30:24.600 I think that's great. 00:30:24.600 --> 00:30:32.360 And Alicia, I think in the extended proposal when they had a lot more written out, I believe 00:30:32.360 --> 00:30:43.280 that they said the colors could be kind of adapted. 00:30:43.280 --> 00:30:50.200 The conversations that I've had with the artist, things can, all things can be adjusted to 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:56.960 what we would need, and I can request the artist to give us more background on those 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:01.680 long pieces. 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:07.960 The only other question I had was about like a couple of the dogs had, because of that 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:18.480 like polygon sort of aspect of the figures, some of their tails looked maybe potentially 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.840 like kind of sharp, I don't know if that has been addressed with the artist or not, or 00:31:22.840 --> 00:31:24.840 I guess it could be in the future. 00:31:24.840 --> 00:31:31.720 I think we can talk to them about it. 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:37.480 So if there's no further discussion, I would make a motion that staff move forward with 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.560 the proposed piece. 00:31:39.560 --> 00:31:41.200 Second. 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.080 Okay, all in favor. 00:31:45.080 --> 00:31:46.080 Aye. 00:31:46.080 --> 00:31:47.080 Aye. 00:31:47.080 --> 00:31:50.280 Any nays? 00:31:50.280 --> 00:31:55.600 No nays, so we are in agreement. 00:31:55.600 --> 00:32:00.720 Alicia seconded, right? 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:01.720 Alicia seconded, right? 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:02.720 Yeah, she did. 00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:03.720 Awesome. 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:04.720 Just to double-check. 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:05.720 Yes. 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:06.720 Sorry? 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:07.720 Yes. 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.840 They're trying to trip me up, I'm not going to let them, Alicia. 00:32:11.840 --> 00:32:12.840 I heard the second. 00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:17.840 By the way, these are Denton artists, right, I'm curious who they are. 00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:18.840 Yes. 00:32:18.840 --> 00:32:19.840 I heard of them. 00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:20.840 23 Design. 00:32:20.840 --> 00:32:21.840 Interesting. 00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:22.840 They have a cool brochure. 00:32:22.840 --> 00:32:24.840 Did you see the brochure, Alicia? 00:32:24.840 --> 00:32:25.840 No. 00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:27.960 I'll bet that we can get it to you. 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.880 They've got bios and everything. 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:30.880 Okay. 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:31.880 Cool. 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:32.880 Thank you. 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.960 I'll send their proposal out to everybody. 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.960 Nice. 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:36.960 Oh, go ahead. 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:37.960 Sorry. 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:38.960 No, sorry. 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.960 Some of them were sculpture alumni. 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.760 Yeah, I wonder if they're part of that water jet company. 00:32:46.760 --> 00:32:54.400 The artist said that he uses students from UNT in the art program and then has them assist 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.320 with the fabrication. 00:32:56.320 --> 00:33:04.280 So I think he gets good artists at a good rate and is able to produce this based on 00:33:04.280 --> 00:33:05.280 that. 00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:06.280 Cool. 00:33:06.280 --> 00:33:07.280 Thank you. 00:33:07.280 --> 00:33:14.040 Okay, if there's no further discussion, we'll move on to item E, PAC 21-009, receive a report 00:33:14.040 --> 00:33:19.760 and hold a discussion regarding a mural plan by Wirtmans at 1314 West Hickory. 00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:21.040 All right. 00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:30.640 I'll bring up another presentation here, just a moment. 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.360 Okay. 00:33:33.360 --> 00:33:34.360 There it goes. 00:33:34.360 --> 00:33:35.360 All right. 00:33:35.360 --> 00:33:38.600 So this is just an informational piece for you. 00:33:38.600 --> 00:33:42.720 It's just to be able to make aware of when somebody is doing something around town. 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:48.840 If we find out about it and if it involves art, but in this case, it's public art and 00:33:48.840 --> 00:33:56.840 it's on a private business wall, then there's no public funds and there's nothing that is 00:33:56.840 --> 00:34:00.040 invasive into any historical side of it. 00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:05.360 But just to give you everybody an idea of some of the things that people want to do 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:07.880 and how they want to go about it. 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:08.880 So just informational. 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.880 It is on the side of Wirtmans. 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.640 There's this alley that's next to Wirtmans and I'll show you that. 00:34:15.640 --> 00:34:20.200 So you can see this alley here that's in between these buildings and both of these buildings 00:34:20.200 --> 00:34:23.040 are owned by Wirtmans. 00:34:23.040 --> 00:34:29.000 And so this particular alley, it's more like this cutout and you can see what it looks 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.760 like currently. 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:37.280 And so they want to open up this entire space in here for graffiti, including this platform 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.720 that's right here. 00:34:38.720 --> 00:34:44.200 And they're going to post their rules and that the graffiti stops at the walls there, 00:34:44.200 --> 00:34:52.440 but they can go in here and pretty much apply their graffiti art as they would want to. 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:59.320 It doesn't require, again, any certificate of occupancy or anything because it's all painted 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:00.320 out there. 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.120 I think I've got some more pictures of it. 00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:07.640 Some of the dimensions, you can't really tell from that other, but you can look at it. 00:35:07.640 --> 00:35:15.120 It's about 15 feet deep, 10 feet tall, and 11 feet or so tall in the very far back over 00:35:15.120 --> 00:35:16.120 here. 00:35:16.120 --> 00:35:20.600 And you can see this platform, and I'm not too sure what it was used for before, but 00:35:20.600 --> 00:35:27.240 that one goes back 12 feet and then the platform's almost six and a half, six feet eight width 00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:30.240 here. 00:35:30.240 --> 00:35:38.480 Again, they are going to put together their rules and they're going to post those rules. 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.640 Hopefully they don't put them on the inside because that looks like it's fair game from 00:35:41.640 --> 00:35:43.120 what they described. 00:35:43.120 --> 00:35:48.640 But what they'll be doing is monitoring that and seeing how that works. 00:35:48.640 --> 00:35:53.960 Other communities have had some graffiti walls that are designated. 00:35:53.960 --> 00:36:01.320 Some of those have been, I've seen trestles in areas of the railroad that have been designated. 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:05.840 They're not usually right in the middle of town, but usually they're more in the peripheral 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:11.160 type of areas, but it allows some of the artists that specialize in this particular style to 00:36:11.160 --> 00:36:12.160 be able to do that. 00:36:12.160 --> 00:36:16.200 Do you have any questions? 00:36:16.200 --> 00:36:17.200 Just a comment. 00:36:17.200 --> 00:36:18.200 I think it's great. 00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:24.000 I'm pretty familiar with that little nook going on campus, and it always was that anyway. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:29.360 So if they just embrace it, I think that's the correct usage of the space. 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.480 Good point. 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:37.560 Do you happen to know if they're going to put any lights around there or is it going 00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:38.920 to stay? 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.080 They didn't tell me about any of those things. 00:36:41.080 --> 00:36:48.120 I just had a conversation with their social media director a few times, and she was just 00:36:48.120 --> 00:36:52.280 like, I just thought this would be a really great idea to be able to do that. 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.880 They're not going to have like a holster of spray paints and things outside. 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.680 It's going to be bring your own materials and all that. 00:36:58.680 --> 00:37:02.200 Well, they could sell spray paint at Vortmans and tell them, you know, go down the street 00:37:02.200 --> 00:37:03.200 and get some practice in. 00:37:03.200 --> 00:37:06.360 That could be a part of what they're doing. 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.360 I don't know. 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.360 Thank you, John. 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.700 If there's no further discussion, that brings us to concluding items and general 00:37:17.700 --> 00:37:24.200 discussion or any agenda items we would like to have talked about on the next meeting. 00:37:24.200 --> 00:37:33.920 I'd like to submit on next meeting's agenda discussing temporary art projects and budgets 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:40.120 for that, planning, whatnot. 00:37:40.120 --> 00:37:45.960 I'd like to thank staff for switching the day and time frame. 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:53.800 I know that the other meeting scheduled during lunch didn't work for a lot of us. 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.520 This is how we used to have them at 4 p.m. 00:37:56.520 --> 00:37:57.520 This works great. 00:37:57.520 --> 00:38:03.480 Hopefully it works great for everyone else, too, because it's a much easier time slot. 00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:11.960 With that said, do you want to try to meet next month, or do you want to push it maybe 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.240 six weeks? 00:38:13.240 --> 00:38:16.160 I know trying to meet during the day was still a challenge. 00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:20.480 I know 4 o'clock is where we used to meet, but I think there was even some comments about 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:25.880 trying to meet in the evening whenever we get back to in-person meetings. 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.840 I'm not sure exactly when that's going to happen. 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.560 It could be this summer. 00:38:31.560 --> 00:38:35.240 I don't know that answer yet, but as soon as we find out, we will get back to you. 00:38:35.240 --> 00:38:40.640 But if 4 o'clock on Friday is fine, we'll continue to work with that, and we can work 00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:44.220 with the same week of a month. 00:38:44.220 --> 00:38:47.040 I'm in favor of this day and time. 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:55.140 And depending on whether we meet in four weeks or six weeks, I mean, we always have so much 00:38:55.140 --> 00:38:56.140 going on. 00:38:56.140 --> 00:39:03.600 I'd be fine with every month. 00:39:03.600 --> 00:39:07.280 Anyone else have an opinion on whether it's every four weeks or six weeks? 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:08.760 I prefer four. 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.760 It just seems like things get away the further out they are. 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:19.280 And yeah, I do prefer more frequent, I guess you'd say, monthly meetings. 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.800 I agree with COVID brain. 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.480 I don't remember what I had for lunch today. 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:28.040 So if we push it out too far, I'll just forget everything. 00:39:28.040 --> 00:39:33.800 If we plan more things, I think we kind of have to be on a little bit more regular schedule 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:40.520 to make things kind of line up because, yeah, just my welcome. 00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:45.360 So our next meeting is scheduled for May 21 at 4 o'clock. 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:46.360 That's what's scheduled. 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:48.800 And we'll send you out a reminder on that. 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:57.080 And we'll try to keep them to less than an hour from an agenda, if possible. 00:39:57.080 --> 00:40:03.800 So that way you're not too long and it also balances out staff schedule for production. 00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.760 But we do have a handful of things we want to bring back to you, such as the temporary 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.720 art and then we'd like to try to get the fire department sculpture moving forward as well 00:40:13.720 --> 00:40:14.720 as the tennis center. 00:40:14.720 --> 00:40:20.040 So those are our three next pieces that we'd like to move forward. 00:40:20.040 --> 00:40:24.760 In just FYI, we have $20,000 in that unallocated budget. 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:32.400 So we don't have a whole lot of money, depending on what the scope of that temporary art is. 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.160 Does that money have to be used by a certain time? 00:40:35.160 --> 00:40:38.040 Good to see you. 00:40:38.040 --> 00:40:40.560 Yeah, that one, no. 00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:46.840 We do have hot funds money and that's what the tennis center and the dog park are. 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:48.460 So we do need to get in vela. 00:40:48.460 --> 00:40:52.600 So we do need to get those moving. 00:40:52.600 --> 00:40:58.160 Can I add to the meeting schedule real quick? 00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:06.880 So right now I'm looking at the meeting schedule that was approved by PAC in the March, I think 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:08.740 March 4 meeting. 00:41:08.740 --> 00:41:09.740 You guys approved it. 00:41:09.740 --> 00:41:13.980 I think the next one, what Gary has mentioned, would be May 21st. 00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:17.380 It was actually scheduled for the 20th, but that's on a Thursday. 00:41:17.380 --> 00:41:19.560 So I think Friday is going to work best. 00:41:19.560 --> 00:41:25.400 And then the next one after that would be July 1st because that would be the first Thursday. 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:31.100 And I probably maybe might roll it, or we could still keep it as the first Thursday 00:41:31.100 --> 00:41:32.440 of the month. 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:38.400 And I could still transfer it to Friday, you know, as a special called meeting, if you're 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.240 all okay with that, because we don't know in the summer if, you know, we'll be back 00:41:43.240 --> 00:41:44.240 to evenings. 00:41:44.240 --> 00:41:49.400 And I would imagine it would be still Thursday at say five or six o'clock if it opens up. 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:54.720 So I figured that Thursday would probably work best for everyone, unless if it's on a day, 00:41:54.720 --> 00:41:55.960 then I will transfer it to Friday. 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.660 How does that all sound to you? 00:42:00.660 --> 00:42:01.660 Any backup? 00:42:01.660 --> 00:42:06.440 You said the next one after the May meeting would be July, are we not meeting June? 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:09.440 Oh, I'm so sorry. 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:17.120 Yeah, June 3rd would be June 3rd, it would be the first Thursday of the month, and then 00:42:17.120 --> 00:42:22.860 I can transfer to June 4th, which is Friday, unless we start meeting on the evenings, then 00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:24.800 we could keep it on the 3rd. 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.680 And then July 1st would be the next, which would be the first Thursday. 00:42:29.680 --> 00:42:34.040 Again, I could just transfer it from, if it's going to be on a Thursday, I could transfer 00:42:34.040 --> 00:42:38.080 it on a Friday, we're going to meet on the daytime, but if we go back to the evening, 00:42:38.080 --> 00:42:44.280 then we'll keep it up the way you guys voted on it, which is the first Thursday of the 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:45.280 month. 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.320 Does that make sense? 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:52.600 So does that mean we would meet at the end of May, and so our next meeting would be very 00:42:52.600 --> 00:42:56.640 not four weeks, it would just be very soon after. 00:42:56.640 --> 00:42:57.640 That's correct. 00:42:57.640 --> 00:43:02.640 So are you saying May 20th instead of 21st, just to clarify? 00:43:02.640 --> 00:43:09.240 Well, based on everyone's schedule, it seems that Friday would work best if we're not meeting 00:43:09.240 --> 00:43:10.240 after hours. 00:43:10.240 --> 00:43:16.480 So it would be May 21st, and then immediately two weeks later, we'll have the next PAC meeting 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.920 to be back on a normal regular schedule. 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:26.280 So it will be the first Thursday or Friday if it's going to be before after hours. 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:34.080 So during business hours, Friday after hours, then would be Thursday. 00:43:34.080 --> 00:43:45.120 I think the four to five slot in keeping it to an hour works prior to moving it to noon. 00:43:45.120 --> 00:43:50.400 We always used to meet at four and it used to work out pretty well. 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.760 Between Thursday or Fridays, I don't have a preference, the four o'clock time slot, that 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.320 was very good for me. 00:43:56.320 --> 00:44:00.200 So Thursdays or Fridays, so four o'clock would be great. 00:44:00.200 --> 00:44:06.120 I just want to make sure Fridays aren't bad going forward with weekend vacations that 00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:07.120 type of thing. 00:44:07.120 --> 00:44:10.120 Well, I had all these travel plans. 00:44:10.120 --> 00:44:14.080 I'm like, oh, Friday's in the swimmer. 00:44:14.080 --> 00:44:18.640 So yeah, I kind of was like, no, I prefer Thursday personally. 00:44:18.640 --> 00:44:19.640 Okay. 00:44:19.640 --> 00:44:20.640 Okay. 00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:22.040 I wish I had travel plans. 00:44:22.040 --> 00:44:25.400 Yeah, a vacation at home. 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:26.400 It's great. 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:27.400 Don't leave the house. 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:39.840 I have one more request, sorry, if we're done talking about scheduling. 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.840 So just for clarification, Thursday or Friday is the preferred date. 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.840 4 p.m. Thursday or Friday. 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:48.840 I think. 00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.840 But wait, Alicia, you said you prefer Thursday, is that correct? 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:52.840 I do. 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:53.840 Yeah. 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:54.840 I have no preference. 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.960 So Thursday at four is fine with me also. 00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:58.560 Thursdays are fine. 00:44:58.560 --> 00:45:00.720 Thursdays are fine. 00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:01.720 Okay. 00:45:01.720 --> 00:45:08.640 Hey, Michelle, Thursdays at four, good with you? 00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:09.640 You're muted. 00:45:09.640 --> 00:45:10.640 Sorry. 00:45:10.640 --> 00:45:11.640 I'm having butterfingers today. 00:45:11.640 --> 00:45:15.080 Thursday or Friday is fine at four for me. 00:45:15.080 --> 00:45:16.080 Yes. 00:45:16.080 --> 00:45:17.960 Okay, cool. 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:19.760 I'm good either day. 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:20.760 Okay. 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:21.760 Thank you. 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:32.120 So I had one more thing related to the future discussion about temporary public art projects. 00:45:32.120 --> 00:45:40.280 One other issue that has come up in the past or question, I should say, is related to whatever 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:49.160 sort of like purchasing system is involved in like the funding of permanent works. 00:45:49.160 --> 00:45:54.560 I think it was either like something about like how the works are sort of purchased or 00:45:54.560 --> 00:45:58.720 how the artist is contracted. 00:45:58.720 --> 00:46:05.080 So I don't know if it makes sense for staff to sort of like look into those sort of like 00:46:05.080 --> 00:46:13.200 contracts, paperwork, legality issues in advance of us even talking about what's possible. 00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:16.280 Since it will be more like belonging. 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:23.040 Yeah, it would be not like a permanently required thing, the way that permanent things are. 00:46:23.040 --> 00:46:29.280 Yeah, it would be like a stipend that they would be given for a temporary lease of maybe 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.720 two or three years. 00:46:31.720 --> 00:46:35.360 So we'll provide that in our report for the next meeting. 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:36.360 Awesome. 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:37.360 Thank you. 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:48.520 I just wanted to, because we had y'all work so much extra for the dog park and going back 00:46:48.520 --> 00:46:57.200 and forth with requests and doing another call for artists and, you know, I just wanted 00:46:57.200 --> 00:47:03.360 to give you an extra show of appreciation because I know that was a lot more work. 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:07.960 But I'm really, really, really happy with what we settled on. 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.880 And I think it's pretty much exactly kind of where we wanted to go with it. 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:14.240 And so thank you very much. 00:47:14.240 --> 00:47:17.480 I really appreciate all your extra work for that. 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:18.480 Yes, thank you. 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.480 I do too. 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:23.680 It took, it took, we kind of gave y'all a beating for a while there, so thank you. 00:47:23.680 --> 00:47:26.000 I love the art that got picked as well. 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:27.360 I think it's fabulous. 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:28.360 Yeah. 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:29.360 Same here. 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:30.360 Thank you. 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:31.360 Thank you so much. 00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:32.360 I think people are going to really, really enjoy it. 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:33.360 It's super fun. 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.080 And I'm, I think, I think it just, thank you. 00:47:37.080 --> 00:47:38.080 Okay. 00:47:38.080 --> 00:47:45.520 Well, Ed, I had one other thing just to kind of give you as a closing comment. 00:47:45.520 --> 00:47:51.440 I don't know if anybody had a chance to watch or was interested in watching the city council 00:47:51.440 --> 00:48:00.080 meeting on Tuesday, but council member Davis proposed a concept to the city council members 00:48:00.080 --> 00:48:07.120 for staff to look into a piece of art that would be interactive with water as a water 00:48:07.120 --> 00:48:10.620 feature for razor ranch property. 00:48:10.620 --> 00:48:15.560 It's a new park that they just, we just acquired from the development, it was part of our parkland 00:48:15.560 --> 00:48:19.080 dedication and development ordinance and process. 00:48:19.080 --> 00:48:21.780 It's just shy of 10 acres. 00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:24.680 It's located just behind Winko. 00:48:24.680 --> 00:48:28.680 If you guys want to take a ride out there this weekend, you can check it out. 00:48:28.680 --> 00:48:29.680 It's a linear park. 00:48:29.680 --> 00:48:31.920 It's open space with a lot of trees. 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.640 It has a lot of sidewalks or I should say trails within the park and lighting and open 00:48:37.640 --> 00:48:40.160 space where you could take your dog out there and throw a frisbee. 00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:47.040 But they would like to put some piece of art out there that was interactive with water. 00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:53.520 So they've asked staff to put together a report and report back to city council and to work 00:48:53.520 --> 00:48:55.280 with the public art committee. 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.840 So that's going to be another item that's going to be on the agenda for next month. 00:48:58.840 --> 00:48:59.840 Okay. 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:00.840 Good. 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:07.480 Interactive like as like a splash pad or like for dogs, people either. 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:08.480 Kind of. 00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:09.480 Yes. 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.040 There's a piece of art in Spokane, Washington. 00:49:12.040 --> 00:49:15.160 It's a rotary piece that is pretty significant. 00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:17.200 It was $1.5 million. 00:49:17.200 --> 00:49:25.160 I think John, it was 1.4 and it had all kinds of artistic features to it. 00:49:25.160 --> 00:49:28.760 And then there was also a water play feature to it as well. 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:33.280 They have put in quite a bit of renovations to it as well. 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.840 So that's got to be something that's going to be under consideration as long-term maintenance 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.440 and the impact of water to the art. 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:47.680 So that's the challenge and opportunity that council has provided staff and the public 00:49:47.680 --> 00:49:49.240 art committee to look into. 00:49:49.240 --> 00:49:57.680 If you do a search, it's the rotary fountain is what it's called in Spokane. 00:49:57.680 --> 00:50:06.780 Is that is that siting given as an example or are you suggesting a, did he mention it 00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:10.080 as like he wanted to buy that or what are we saying here? 00:50:10.080 --> 00:50:11.720 I think it was an example. 00:50:11.720 --> 00:50:13.320 It was an example. 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:14.320 Yeah. 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:15.320 Okay. 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:16.320 Cool. 00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:22.560 Look forward to talking about that on the next meeting. 00:50:22.560 --> 00:50:23.560 All right. 00:50:23.560 --> 00:50:27.560 Well, if there are no more concluding items, that's a wrap for the public art committee 00:50:27.560 --> 00:50:28.560 on April 16th. 00:50:28.560 --> 00:50:29.560 Michelle's raising her hand. 00:50:29.560 --> 00:50:30.560 Oh, sorry, Michelle. 00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:31.560 You're muted. 00:50:31.560 --> 00:50:32.560 Are you waving goodbye? 00:50:32.560 --> 00:50:33.560 I think she's waving goodbye. 00:50:33.560 --> 00:50:34.560 Okay. 00:50:34.560 --> 00:50:35.560 Sorry, Ed. 00:50:35.560 --> 00:50:36.560 That's okay. 00:50:36.560 --> 00:50:37.560 So thanks everyone. 00:50:37.560 --> 00:50:48.560 Thank you, staff, all for all the good work and everyone stay safe. 00:50:48.560 --> 00:50:49.560 Have a great weekend. 00:50:49.560 --> 00:50:50.560 Thank you. 00:50:50.560 --> 00:50:50.560 Thank you.