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 Good afternoon, everyone.

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 This is the public art committee meeting for Friday, April 16, 2021.

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 We have one excused absence today.

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 One possible other absence that may also be excused or to be determined.

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 This is my first time running the meeting, so please go easy on me.

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 Eddie, if I could get some direction from you, do we just want to go over the meeting minutes

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 from last meeting and after reviewing those, get a motion to approve?

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 That is correct.

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 You've already mentioned about the there's no public comments, right?

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 There's no public comments.

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 No public comments today.

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 Sure thing.

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 So go ahead and read out the first item for consideration, part A, you just read it and

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 then ask if there's anything that anyone want to add for the minutes or you guys approve

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 it.

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 Sure.

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 And you want me to read all of part A?

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 Yes, sir.

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 Under section 551.042 of the Texas Open Meetings Act, respond to inquiries from the public

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 art committee or public with specific factual information or recitation of policy.

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 Eddie, I'm sorry.

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 What I meant is items for consideration.

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 Items for consideration.

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 Starting with part A.

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 Well, there were two part A's, so like I said, I'll be good for comic value today, I see.

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 Items for consideration, PAC 21-007, consider approval of the minutes of March 4th, 2021.

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 Thank you.

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 And as chair, I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes.

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 Do we have a second?

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 I'll second.

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 We have multiple seconds.

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 All in favor?

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 The ayes have it.

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 Let's move on to item for consideration B.

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 Who seconded?

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 Meredith.

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 Meredith.

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 Thank you.

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 Sure thing.

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 Item B, PAC 21-008, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding

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 the status of the following public art committee projects.

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 One, the G. Rowland Vela Athletic Complex, two, Tennis Center, three, Fire Station number

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 three, four, MLK Junior Recreation Center Sculpture, and number five, Denton Women's

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 Interracial Fellowship Monument.

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 Ed, this is John Whitmore, Park's planning manager, and I will be able to do that presentation.

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 All right.

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 I can't believe I read the wrong part A. Oh, it does happen.

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 Here we go.

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 First of all, let's talk about the G. Rowland Athletic Complex.

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 Everything's moving quite along.

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 It's currently under fabrication, the sculpture is.

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 The next steps on that will be complete the sculpture fabrication and then complete the

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 redesign of the base under the sculpture.

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 We're actually going to try to put some more vegetation around it to give it a little bit

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 of buffer between anybody trying to grab the sculpture, so it could get hot.

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 I happen to have pictures of the fabrications.

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 I thought everybody would like to see.

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 This area here, that is the very center of the sculpture in the ball, the soccer ball

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 port, and these are support structures that will go to be able to create the overall ball,

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 and you can see it coming together in their workshop right here, and you can see the Texas

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 star now in that ball there, and then the construction of the whole rest of that structure

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 for it.

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 So I thought it's really going to come along, and they're not expecting to have any other

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 complications in this fabrication for it.

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 Did anybody have any questions?

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 Okay, I'll move on to the next one then.

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 All right, the tennis center, mostly that's completed.

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 We can start working on that.

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 I'm going to bring the subcommittee together, and right now that subcommittee is Franklin

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 Ed, I think you're on every last one of them from what I looked at.

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 You must have volunteered a lot.

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 I do that, yeah.

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 Anyway, we're going to start that initiation since we have an area identified out there

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 that we can take a look at for it, and so we'll have that subcommittee kick that off,

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 and we'll be able to get going and get that concept out.

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 Fire station number three, there were some questions on the subcommittee for that one.

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 We are now ready to get that one rolling.

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 They have completed all the demolition of the old one, and they finished doing a sidewalk

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 that surrounds the area where that sculpture is going to go.

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 I'll call the subcommittee together, but I've got a feeling that was a pre-proposed one.

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 I know, Ed, you had all of them, but I think it was ... Was it Michelle, were you also

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 I think Lene was on that one.

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 I just wanted to confirm, make sure, don't know.

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 That one's been around for so long.

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 We've had so many members come and go.

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 I still was, though, yeah.

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 I'm still trying to help with that.

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 You may remember that they'd actually asked us to hold off on doing the project until they

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 had areas that they could identify because they wanted to pick where they wanted it,

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 so they've done that.

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 I went out and took some pictures of those areas, and it looks like it'd be a viable

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 area for it, so I will get that group together.

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 MLK, they're moving along with that one.

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 They've almost completed all of the rough out.

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 The artist, Madeline Wiener, she has one of her associates do the large rough out of the

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 entire block, and then she comes in and does all that finish work for it.

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 That's currently just finishing up the rough work, and then she will finish that part.

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 Secondly, right now, we're starting to prepare the site, and so we'll be moving the flag

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 poles and then preparing the concrete and the base all through there.

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 The area around the sculpture is going to be a stamped concrete with oak leaves and

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 various leaves of the area, so then the sculptures will sit on top of that base, and then we'll

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 landscape a little bit around it and also improve some landscaping around the MLK center

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 in the front to set that off a little bit better, but it will be almost right next to

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 All right, the DWIF monument, there isn't a week that goes by that I don't talk to the

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 She's researching very fiercely all different things, and I think, Michelle, you've been

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 Yes, I have, and I have an ask for the committee when you get a moment.

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 Okay, well, we can do that at the end of the presentation, so we should be getting that

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 So, anyway, that's under fabrication.

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 We're also working with a landscape architect firm to be able to have industrial street

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 park redesigned a bit to be able to really show off this whole thing, and we'll be bringing

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 that design to show the pack, I think, at the next meeting when we have a little bit

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 farther along with it.

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 All right, now, any questions that we have?

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 I think, Michelle, if you want to bring up your ask.

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 Yes, so, Dina is so, I don't know, diligent in what she's doing, and it's really important

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 to her to get each of these 96 images to be something that's meaningful, and so what I

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 have to ask is that she is looking for modern-day pictures taken now of kids in interracial

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 groupings.

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 She's looking for something that's either going to be like a head and chest or a head

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 to torso, either horizontal or vertical, but just of different kids under 18, like birth

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 to 18, in multi-ethnic groupings doing stuff.

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 I sent her some of the goal soccer teams.

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 She's got access to the DISD ones now, but if you have kids or grandkids or neighbors

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 or family members who you would like to maybe have memorialized in this statue, could you

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 please send either me or John, or just send it to Dina, if you can, I'm sure she'll take

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 it from you, of any of those pictures that you could send.

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 That would be really great, and then that would make it even more special to Denton,

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 because it would be people from Denton in these pictures.

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 And she's looking for as high res of a picture as can be.

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 Yes, but if you have a newer iPhone, those pictures are actually adequate, she said,

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 so do the best you can, but the technology is definitely working in our favor.

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 And if you have pictures that you don't have electronically, we can scan those.

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 Well I'm sure we have some at the Greater Denton Arts Council, and if you'll give me

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 the email address, I can send them to her, as well as to you.

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 Okay, any other questions on the project updates?

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 Just a quick thing, it may not be on a project update, but I missed a meeting at the end

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 of last year, but has anything been proposed about the recently completed mural over on

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 Roberson Street under the VITA, as far as unveiling or any other, just, I went back

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 through the notes and didn't see that I missed anything, but has that even been discussed

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 or talked about the foundations of our history mural?

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 John, I can chime in, Gary Pack, and Director of Parks and Recreation.

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 We are working on identifying a date to get that set.

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 We wanted to get past the vaccines and all that and get closer into the better temperatures.

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 We were looking at maybe Juneteenth, but then we thought, well, we don't want to overlap

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 and kind of take away some of the excitement of that, so we're reaching out for another

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 date, so we'll get something to you guys as soon as possible with a date that's good for

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 the community and the subject matter.

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 Okay, if there's no more discussion, we'll move on to item C. Pack 21-010, receive a

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 report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the public art purchased

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 by artist J.B. Miller.

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 Let me get this ready.

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 All right, can everybody see that now?

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 An opportunity has come up to be able to take a look at a purchase of a J.B. Miller art

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 piece.

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 It's essentially a part of the estate of J.B. Miller, and when he passed, he left everything

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 he had to his wife, and now she has passed, and the estate is now looking at selling off

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 some of the sculptures and various things that he had around his home and workshop,

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 and so this was brought to our attention.

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 There were actually two pieces, and one of them got sold out from under us.

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 However, there's another one that looks like it could be something that we want to be able

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 Again, J.B. Miller, John Brough Miller, he taught ceramics and sculpture at Texas Women's

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 University.

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 He made a lot of these very large monumental steel sculptures, and he worked early out

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 of his workshop garage in Argo, and his work is now located in five different states, and

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 we actually have one of his sculptures.

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 It used to be located, I believe, at the fire station, and it was moved across the street

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 to the visual arts center.

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 And so this is the piece that we're looking at.

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 This is called Elevated Mass in Space.

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 The cost is $2,900.

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 This is a fairly large sculpture.

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 That's 23 feet high from base all the way to the top, and it's five feet wide at the

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 We thought the location of this, we looked at a few locations of that, and possible is

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 on Carroll Boulevard and any of those locations that we've already identified on Carroll Boulevard,

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 where a future sculpture needs to go, or actually over at Clear Creek Natural Heritage Center.

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 So we've prepared a few things.

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 This is some of the areas that on Carroll Boulevard it could go.

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 This is, because it's such a tall sculpture, it has a good visibility from a long way,

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 and from a long walkway all the way across this area like here would work really well

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 being able to see it from a distance, and as the angle changes, it really has a very

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 interesting look of that whole upper section of the sculpture.

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 And so there's a couple of other areas there that we could possibly see on Carroll, again

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 following the walkway of areas that we've previously identified.

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 And then these are some areas that we've looked at at Clear Creek.

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 As I mentioned before, this is a very tall sculpture, and so if somebody's walking along

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 the trail here, and then they can see this from a distance and then get a different angle

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 on it all the way through, or people walking back this particular direction, or even here

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 close to where the trailhead is right as a part of it.

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 So those, we have some excellent locations, a variety of different ones.

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 What we have is $2,900 for, we can take that, the funding out of unallocated CEO money that

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 we have for public art.

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 We have about $20,000 in it, and this only cost about $2,900 for it.

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 I checked this morning, the piece is still available, and so if we wanted to purchase,

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 we could do that if we wanted.

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 I have a question.

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 I apologize for not being able to make the last few meetings because I was teaching during

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 that time, but at one of the last meetings I was at, we were looking at a different local

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 artist's work who also made kind of very similar large-scale steel abstract forms, and we had

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 all decided that instead of spending money on those, we would prefer to put that money

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 towards what we would consider sort of like the future of public art in Denton as opposed

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 to the past.

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 I know we've had a lot of discussions about doing more sort of like temporary projects

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 and interdisciplinary projects, and I just wanted to clarify with the committee if that

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 was still like a strong interest or a goal, because personally I think the money would

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 be better spent going in that sort of future-oriented direction as opposed to kind of celebrating.

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 I understand it's important to celebrate someone from the community from the past, but I'd

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 personally be excited to go in a different direction.

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 Alicia, I'll echo what you said.

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 From the years I've been on this committee, I think that we are trying to look forward

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 to the future of Denton, and I think that we were urged to and interested in being more

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 experimental and trying the temporary art and seeing how many different directions we

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 could explore, so I agree that I'm sorry I've missed the last few meetings because I've

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 had a teaching engagement as well, but I would like to agree with Alicia there.

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 It looks to me like with the tall sculpture there, a temporary mounting wouldn't be possible.

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 Is that something?

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 It seems like it would have to be pretty permanent, secured to the platform it's hosted on.

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 Just to clarify, the temporary project I'm referring to is we had discussed creating

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 a temporary public art program, which Denton currently doesn't have, so it's not that we

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 would try to mount this temporarily.

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 This would obviously be very permanent.

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 It would be acquired into the collection, so I think instead of spending that money

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 to acquire something else permanent, we would like to put it towards developing a temporary

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 public program.

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 At least that's what we talked about in the past.

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 And that's absolutely, Michelle and Alicia are spot on, that was the decision that I

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 think the entire committee came to last time around that this opportunity came up, and

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 I think it's awesome that staff is looking at opportunities like this.

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 I would kind of echo the same thing that Michelle and Alicia said.

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 I'm more excited about the temporary art program.

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 That's, I mean, obviously that's a rather large sculpture.

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 I don't want to make a reference to the Benji movie again because I'll just get my age away,

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 but that piece looks like the stuff that I've seen growing up in Denton since the 70s.

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 It just doesn't look in the direction that we've discussed that we want public art to

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 go.

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 But it does raise the question about money that's available because I know my understanding

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 was that this was like a kind of tight budget year in terms of money, but if there is money

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 available, I know we've kind of been putting the temporary program off on a back burner

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 because we didn't feel like we had the money or the resources for it right now.

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 But if there is money available, maybe we need to move that in the future to a front

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 burner discussion.

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 Let's get it started.

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 Let's do some of these light-based and temporary and the wraps and the interesting temporary

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 stuff.

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 Yeah, if there's money, let's do it.

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 Let's make it interesting.

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 So the agenda item for consideration C is to give staff direction regarding the purchase.

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 So I guess we would probably need to vote on this, right?

276
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 Yeah.

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 If anyone wants to make a motion or I can make a motion.

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 I would make a motion to not purchase it.

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 I would second.

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 So all in favor of not purchasing it.

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 Please raise your hand.

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 Aye.

283
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 Aye.

284
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 And rather than go around Robin, are there any nays?

285
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 No nays.

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 So the ayes have it in favor of not purchasing.

287
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 But thank you very much for keeping your eyes on the lookout for stuff like that.

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 Ed, this is Gary.

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 Just as a general comment.

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 So this came to us and we wanted to share it with the board, like you just mentioned.

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 But I guess it would be good to get clarity on when things come like this, what do you

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 want to see so we can identify what you may want and what we don't want to bring to you

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 just so we're efficient with your time.

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 And honestly, that didn't take very much time, but I don't want to waste your time, right?

295
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 Sure.

296
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 That would be my response is like, I don't want you to feel like waste your time collecting

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 a bunch of information and like all those drawings you did about potential locations,

298
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 I imagine.

299
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 Right.

300
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 It's a lot of time.

301
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 And that those locations will be useful, I think, in the future for other projects.

302
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 So it was not I don't I don't see it as time wasted.

303
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 As far as bringing items like this to the committee, I don't want to say, yeah, keep

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 doing it.

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 We'll keep saying no, because there's certainly opportunities where I'm sure we wouldn't.

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 So my feeling on it is bring them on and we'll talk about them and, you know, some other

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 work gets done locations identified and we move on.

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 And if somebody's offering, oh, go ahead.

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 I was going to say, if somebody is offering us art, I would think that it would it would

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 be best for us if the committee did get to take a look as a group of ordinary citizens.

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 And instead of just saying, oh, the city turned us down or the city accepted.

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 You could know that with confidence that the committee was also seeing what you were seeing.

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 What turned my vote in aside from just going along with the planned and historical I'm

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 new to this committee, so I'm just trying to follow what what others have proposed in

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 the history of the committee.

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 But I heard in part of that proposal that we already had a sculpture by this artist

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 in town installed.

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 So we've already kind of respected the history in that regard.

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 Right.

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 And I think also if further down the line, when we do start talking about the temporary

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 art project and things of people, if we have, you know, members of the community and public

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 looking back at our decision making and, you know, figuring out what we're our thought

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 processes and they can, you know, watch and listen and kind of figure out what we're thinking

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 and decision, I don't know, decision making and join in the conversation and things like

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 that, but so is this a time to talk about that project or do we wait?

326
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 It would have to have been submitted.

327
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 Submitted.

328
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 OK.

329
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 Yeah.

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 As we can in the items for discussion at the end of the meeting, I'm sure that could be

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 brought up and asked to be put on the next meeting's agenda.

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 But for the purposes of now, if there's no further discussion, we'll move on to item

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 D. Item D, PAC 21-011, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding

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 the North Lakes Dog Park sculpture.

335
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 Ed, I think we may have skipped over one.

336
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 There's one on graffiti.

337
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 It was just a report into it.

338
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 That's E, right?

339
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,920
 Yeah.

340
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 Graffiti's E.

341
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 Oh, OK.

342
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,920
 Yeah.

343
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 My apologies.

344
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 I even came prepared, so I didn't see that one was skipped.

345
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 So yeah, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding the North

346
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 Lakes Dog Park sculpture.

347
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 OK.

348
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 I'm going to share my screen.

349
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 All right.

350
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 Now this one has been a long time coming, and so I know with this, I think we went out

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 three different times to be able to find an artist and a sculpture that was meeting the

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 whimsical side of this.

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 And our budget was $35,000, and now we're at the approval of the proposal.

354
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 Our subcommittee has reviewed those different proposals, and the highest score by weighting

355
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 and all the other averages I could possibly do was 23 Design Company proposal.

356
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 And so the next step after this, if approved by the Public Art Committee, would be to take

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 this to City Council.

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 And so let's take a look.

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 Everybody remembers the site location, so it's right there in the middle of the North

360
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 Lakes Dog Park area.

361
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 There is this area here or this pedestal that has lights that will shine up from below to

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 the art piece.

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 And the proposal is this.

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 And so what we have is a piece that's called Fetch, and it essentially is the artist and

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 the artist group went to the dog park itself, sat there and watched all the dogs playing

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 and saw that the most common thing that was happening was a fetch type of arrangement.

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 And so these dogs all leaping upwards to be able to get to the ball has that whimsical

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 feel that people had, especially with the poor dog here being stepped on while getting

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 up there.

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 It is a total of 16 feet and about four feet in diameter and our pedestal that we currently

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 have is about three feet.

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 And so here's some other angles that is on this.

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 You can see as it rotates around, it's very, of course, 3D for it.

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 And you can see over here on this side, the poor dog that's there.

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 And what from what I hear, this was actually a computer or generated thing of the artist's

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 own dog that he put there.

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 And so that's a part of it.

378
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 And so this is what it is.

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 It's made of aircraft aluminum that's powder coated.

380
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 So it's really, really easy to maintain.

381
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 It's very, it's light, it's modular, where things can be taken apart and put back together.

382
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 And so maintenance is quite easy to do.

383
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 The powder coating should last about 10 years to 20 years, even in our sun sunlight.

384
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 And it can be repaired if there's any damage fairly easily for it.

385
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 It's again, aircraft aluminum, and it also has stainless steel mounting brackets in the

386
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 frames that hold it together.

387
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:15,600
 Okay, I should have done that again, 25 year up to a 25 year life before recoding.

388
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 Are those colors the actual colors?

389
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 That's the proposed colors, yes.

390
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 And are those linear elements made out of like aluminum tubing or what are those?

391
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 I believe so.

392
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 That's the first thing that jumped out at me is I feel like a kid or an adolescent is

393
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 just going to pull and swing on that and bend it.

394
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 Is that possible?

395
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 Is it malleable in that way?

396
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 I don't believe so.

397
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 And that little green dog there, that's, you know, prime spot for pets, like that good

398
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 boy wants to get pet.

399
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 So people are going to come up and take pictures with them and all that.

400
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:08,460
 Are we concerned that maybe the powder coating would transfer heat?

401
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:11,440
 I'm kind of a newbie, I don't know.

402
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,040
 Generally aircraft aluminum doesn't get that hot.

403
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,400
 It transfers heat very well, it distributes it pretty good, pretty well.

404
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,080
 And the coatings itself usually don't add much more heat, especially if they're more

405
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 colorful like this, they're a little more reflective of that, of the heat.

406
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 The other side of it is that this is there's not much room on top of the pedestal.

407
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 In the artist's diagrams and things that he's got, it takes up pretty much the whole top.

408
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 Would the, I know there were three light ports that essentially go up, are they, they're

409
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 not obscured in any way, they took care to manage that, those light sources?

410
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 I don't have a view that shows that, but the artist and the artist's team, they did go

411
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 to the site and didn't expect it all.

412
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,680
 Yeah, it looks like that could be arranged such that it'll just be illuminated and not

413
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 covered.

414
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,680
 I'm sure they'd take that into consideration.

415
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:13,760
 This really, this really fits the sentiment, I think, that we've been going for since the

416
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 very beginning of this project.

417
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 I know it's morphed a number of times, but the mirth, I like the low polygon look of

418
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 the dogs.

419
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 I think that's great.

420
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 And Alicia, I think in the extended proposal when they had a lot more written out, I believe

421
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 that they said the colors could be kind of adapted.

422
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 The conversations that I've had with the artist, things can, all things can be adjusted to

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 what we would need, and I can request the artist to give us more background on those

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 long pieces.

425
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,960
 The only other question I had was about like a couple of the dogs had, because of that

426
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 like polygon sort of aspect of the figures, some of their tails looked maybe potentially

427
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 like kind of sharp, I don't know if that has been addressed with the artist or not, or

428
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 I guess it could be in the future.

429
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:31,720
 I think we can talk to them about it.

430
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 So if there's no further discussion, I would make a motion that staff move forward with

431
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 the proposed piece.

432
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,200
 Second.

433
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,080
 Okay, all in favor.

434
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,080
 Aye.

435
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,080
 Aye.

436
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,280
 Any nays?

437
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,600
 No nays, so we are in agreement.

438
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,720
 Alicia seconded, right?

439
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,720
 Alicia seconded, right?

440
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,720
 Yeah, she did.

441
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,720
 Awesome.

442
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,720
 Just to double-check.

443
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,720
 Yes.

444
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,720
 Sorry?

445
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,720
 Yes.

446
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,840
 They're trying to trip me up, I'm not going to let them, Alicia.

447
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,840
 I heard the second.

448
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,840
 By the way, these are Denton artists, right, I'm curious who they are.

449
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,840
 Yes.

450
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,840
 I heard of them.

451
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,840
 23 Design.

452
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,840
 Interesting.

453
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,840
 They have a cool brochure.

454
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
 Did you see the brochure, Alicia?

455
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,840
 No.

456
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,960
 I'll bet that we can get it to you.

457
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,880
 They've got bios and everything.

458
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,880
 Okay.

459
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,880
 Cool.

460
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,880
 Thank you.

461
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,960
 I'll send their proposal out to everybody.

462
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,960
 Nice.

463
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,960
 Oh, go ahead.

464
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,960
 Sorry.

465
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,960
 No, sorry.

466
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,960
 Some of them were sculpture alumni.

467
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,760
 Yeah, I wonder if they're part of that water jet company.

468
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:54,400
 The artist said that he uses students from UNT in the art program and then has them assist

469
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 with the fabrication.

470
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:04,280
 So I think he gets good artists at a good rate and is able to produce this based on

471
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,280
 that.

472
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,280
 Cool.

473
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,280
 Thank you.

474
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:14,040
 Okay, if there's no further discussion, we'll move on to item E, PAC 21-009, receive a report

475
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,760
 and hold a discussion regarding a mural plan by Wirtmans at 1314 West Hickory.

476
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,040
 All right.

477
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:30,640
 I'll bring up another presentation here, just a moment.

478
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,360
 Okay.

479
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,360
 There it goes.

480
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,360
 All right.

481
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,600
 So this is just an informational piece for you.

482
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,720
 It's just to be able to make aware of when somebody is doing something around town.

483
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,840
 If we find out about it and if it involves art, but in this case, it's public art and

484
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:56,840
 it's on a private business wall, then there's no public funds and there's nothing that is

485
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,040
 invasive into any historical side of it.

486
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,360
 But just to give you everybody an idea of some of the things that people want to do

487
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
 and how they want to go about it.

488
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:08,880
 So just informational.

489
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,880
 It is on the side of Wirtmans.

490
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,640
 There's this alley that's next to Wirtmans and I'll show you that.

491
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,200
 So you can see this alley here that's in between these buildings and both of these buildings

492
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,040
 are owned by Wirtmans.

493
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:29,000
 And so this particular alley, it's more like this cutout and you can see what it looks

494
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,760
 like currently.

495
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,280
 And so they want to open up this entire space in here for graffiti, including this platform

496
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,720
 that's right here.

497
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:44,200
 And they're going to post their rules and that the graffiti stops at the walls there,

498
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:52,440
 but they can go in here and pretty much apply their graffiti art as they would want to.

499
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:59,320
 It doesn't require, again, any certificate of occupancy or anything because it's all painted

500
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,320
 out there.

501
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,120
 I think I've got some more pictures of it.

502
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,640
 Some of the dimensions, you can't really tell from that other, but you can look at it.

503
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:15,120
 It's about 15 feet deep, 10 feet tall, and 11 feet or so tall in the very far back over

504
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,120
 here.

505
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,600
 And you can see this platform, and I'm not too sure what it was used for before, but

506
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:27,240
 that one goes back 12 feet and then the platform's almost six and a half, six feet eight width

507
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,240
 here.

508
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:38,480
 Again, they are going to put together their rules and they're going to post those rules.

509
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,640
 Hopefully they don't put them on the inside because that looks like it's fair game from

510
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,120
 what they described.

511
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,640
 But what they'll be doing is monitoring that and seeing how that works.

512
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,960
 Other communities have had some graffiti walls that are designated.

513
00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:01,320
 Some of those have been, I've seen trestles in areas of the railroad that have been designated.

514
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,840
 They're not usually right in the middle of town, but usually they're more in the peripheral

515
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,160
 type of areas, but it allows some of the artists that specialize in this particular style to

516
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,160
 be able to do that.

517
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,200
 Do you have any questions?

518
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,200
 Just a comment.

519
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,200
 I think it's great.

520
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,000
 I'm pretty familiar with that little nook going on campus, and it always was that anyway.

521
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,360
 So if they just embrace it, I think that's the correct usage of the space.

522
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,480
 Good point.

523
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,560
 Do you happen to know if they're going to put any lights around there or is it going

524
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,920
 to stay?

525
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,080
 They didn't tell me about any of those things.

526
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:48,120
 I just had a conversation with their social media director a few times, and she was just

527
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,280
 like, I just thought this would be a really great idea to be able to do that.

528
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,880
 They're not going to have like a holster of spray paints and things outside.

529
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,680
 It's going to be bring your own materials and all that.

530
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,200
 Well, they could sell spray paint at Vortmans and tell them, you know, go down the street

531
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,200
 and get some practice in.

532
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,360
 That could be a part of what they're doing.

533
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,360
 I don't know.

534
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,360
 Thank you, John.

535
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,700
 If there's no further discussion, that brings us to concluding items and general

536
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:24,200
 discussion or any agenda items we would like to have talked about on the next meeting.

537
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:33,920
 I'd like to submit on next meeting's agenda discussing temporary art projects and budgets

538
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,120
 for that, planning, whatnot.

539
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,960
 I'd like to thank staff for switching the day and time frame.

540
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:53,800
 I know that the other meeting scheduled during lunch didn't work for a lot of us.

541
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,520
 This is how we used to have them at 4 p.m.

542
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,520
 This works great.

543
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,480
 Hopefully it works great for everyone else, too, because it's a much easier time slot.

544
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:11,960
 With that said, do you want to try to meet next month, or do you want to push it maybe

545
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,240
 six weeks?

546
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,160
 I know trying to meet during the day was still a challenge.

547
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,480
 I know 4 o'clock is where we used to meet, but I think there was even some comments about

548
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,880
 trying to meet in the evening whenever we get back to in-person meetings.

549
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,840
 I'm not sure exactly when that's going to happen.

550
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,560
 It could be this summer.

551
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,240
 I don't know that answer yet, but as soon as we find out, we will get back to you.

552
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:40,640
 But if 4 o'clock on Friday is fine, we'll continue to work with that, and we can work

553
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,220
 with the same week of a month.

554
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:47,040
 I'm in favor of this day and time.

555
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:55,140
 And depending on whether we meet in four weeks or six weeks, I mean, we always have so much

556
00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:56,140
 going on.

557
00:38:56,140 --> 00:39:03,600
 I'd be fine with every month.

558
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,280
 Anyone else have an opinion on whether it's every four weeks or six weeks?

559
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,760
 I prefer four.

560
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,760
 It just seems like things get away the further out they are.

561
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,280
 And yeah, I do prefer more frequent, I guess you'd say, monthly meetings.

562
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,800
 I agree with COVID brain.

563
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,480
 I don't remember what I had for lunch today.

564
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:28,040
 So if we push it out too far, I'll just forget everything.

565
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,800
 If we plan more things, I think we kind of have to be on a little bit more regular schedule

566
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:40,520
 to make things kind of line up because, yeah, just my welcome.

567
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,360
 So our next meeting is scheduled for May 21 at 4 o'clock.

568
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,360
 That's what's scheduled.

569
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,800
 And we'll send you out a reminder on that.

570
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:57,080
 And we'll try to keep them to less than an hour from an agenda, if possible.

571
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:03,800
 So that way you're not too long and it also balances out staff schedule for production.

572
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,760
 But we do have a handful of things we want to bring back to you, such as the temporary

573
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,720
 art and then we'd like to try to get the fire department sculpture moving forward as well

574
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:14,720
 as the tennis center.

575
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:20,040
 So those are our three next pieces that we'd like to move forward.

576
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,760
 In just FYI, we have $20,000 in that unallocated budget.

577
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:32,400
 So we don't have a whole lot of money, depending on what the scope of that temporary art is.

578
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,160
 Does that money have to be used by a certain time?

579
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,040
 Good to see you.

580
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,560
 Yeah, that one, no.

581
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,840
 We do have hot funds money and that's what the tennis center and the dog park are.

582
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,460
 So we do need to get in vela.

583
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:52,600
 So we do need to get those moving.

584
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:58,160
 Can I add to the meeting schedule real quick?

585
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:06,880
 So right now I'm looking at the meeting schedule that was approved by PAC in the March, I think

586
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,740
 March 4 meeting.

587
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:09,740
 You guys approved it.

588
00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:13,980
 I think the next one, what Gary has mentioned, would be May 21st.

589
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,380
 It was actually scheduled for the 20th, but that's on a Thursday.

590
00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:19,560
 So I think Friday is going to work best.

591
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,400
 And then the next one after that would be July 1st because that would be the first Thursday.

592
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:31,100
 And I probably maybe might roll it, or we could still keep it as the first Thursday

593
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,440
 of the month.

594
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:38,400
 And I could still transfer it to Friday, you know, as a special called meeting, if you're

595
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,240
 all okay with that, because we don't know in the summer if, you know, we'll be back

596
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:44,240
 to evenings.

597
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:49,400
 And I would imagine it would be still Thursday at say five or six o'clock if it opens up.

598
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,720
 So I figured that Thursday would probably work best for everyone, unless if it's on a day,

599
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:55,960
 then I will transfer it to Friday.

600
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,660
 How does that all sound to you?

601
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:01,660
 Any backup?

602
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:06,440
 You said the next one after the May meeting would be July, are we not meeting June?

603
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,440
 Oh, I'm so sorry.

604
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:17,120
 Yeah, June 3rd would be June 3rd, it would be the first Thursday of the month, and then

605
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,860
 I can transfer to June 4th, which is Friday, unless we start meeting on the evenings, then

606
00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:24,800
 we could keep it on the 3rd.

607
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,680
 And then July 1st would be the next, which would be the first Thursday.

608
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,040
 Again, I could just transfer it from, if it's going to be on a Thursday, I could transfer

609
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,080
 it on a Friday, we're going to meet on the daytime, but if we go back to the evening,

610
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:44,280
 then we'll keep it up the way you guys voted on it, which is the first Thursday of the

611
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,280
 month.

612
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,320
 Does that make sense?

613
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,600
 So does that mean we would meet at the end of May, and so our next meeting would be very

614
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,640
 not four weeks, it would just be very soon after.

615
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,640
 That's correct.

616
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,640
 So are you saying May 20th instead of 21st, just to clarify?

617
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:09,240
 Well, based on everyone's schedule, it seems that Friday would work best if we're not meeting

618
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,240
 after hours.

619
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:16,480
 So it would be May 21st, and then immediately two weeks later, we'll have the next PAC meeting

620
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,920
 to be back on a normal regular schedule.

621
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:26,280
 So it will be the first Thursday or Friday if it's going to be before after hours.

622
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:34,080
 So during business hours, Friday after hours, then would be Thursday.

623
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:45,120
 I think the four to five slot in keeping it to an hour works prior to moving it to noon.

624
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,400
 We always used to meet at four and it used to work out pretty well.

625
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,760
 Between Thursday or Fridays, I don't have a preference, the four o'clock time slot, that

626
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,320
 was very good for me.

627
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,200
 So Thursdays or Fridays, so four o'clock would be great.

628
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:06,120
 I just want to make sure Fridays aren't bad going forward with weekend vacations that

629
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,120
 type of thing.

630
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,120
 Well, I had all these travel plans.

631
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,080
 I'm like, oh, Friday's in the swimmer.

632
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,640
 So yeah, I kind of was like, no, I prefer Thursday personally.

633
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:19,640
 Okay.

634
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,640
 Okay.

635
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,040
 I wish I had travel plans.

636
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,400
 Yeah, a vacation at home.

637
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,400
 It's great.

638
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,400
 Don't leave the house.

639
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:39,840
 I have one more request, sorry, if we're done talking about scheduling.

640
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,840
 So just for clarification, Thursday or Friday is the preferred date.

641
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,840
 4 p.m. Thursday or Friday.

642
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:48,840
 I think.

643
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,840
 But wait, Alicia, you said you prefer Thursday, is that correct?

644
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,840
 I do.

645
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:53,840
 Yeah.

646
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,840
 I have no preference.

647
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,960
 So Thursday at four is fine with me also.

648
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,560
 Thursdays are fine.

649
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,720
 Thursdays are fine.

650
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:01,720
 Okay.

651
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:08,640
 Hey, Michelle, Thursdays at four, good with you?

652
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,640
 You're muted.

653
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,640
 Sorry.

654
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,640
 I'm having butterfingers today.

655
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,080
 Thursday or Friday is fine at four for me.

656
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,080
 Yes.

657
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,960
 Okay, cool.

658
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,760
 I'm good either day.

659
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,760
 Okay.

660
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,760
 Thank you.

661
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:32,120
 So I had one more thing related to the future discussion about temporary public art projects.

662
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:40,280
 One other issue that has come up in the past or question, I should say, is related to whatever

663
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:49,160
 sort of like purchasing system is involved in like the funding of permanent works.

664
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,560
 I think it was either like something about like how the works are sort of purchased or

665
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,720
 how the artist is contracted.

666
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:05,080
 So I don't know if it makes sense for staff to sort of like look into those sort of like

667
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:13,200
 contracts, paperwork, legality issues in advance of us even talking about what's possible.

668
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,280
 Since it will be more like belonging.

669
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:23,040
 Yeah, it would be not like a permanently required thing, the way that permanent things are.

670
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:29,280
 Yeah, it would be like a stipend that they would be given for a temporary lease of maybe

671
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,720
 two or three years.

672
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:35,360
 So we'll provide that in our report for the next meeting.

673
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,360
 Awesome.

674
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,360
 Thank you.

675
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:48,520
 I just wanted to, because we had y'all work so much extra for the dog park and going back

676
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:57,200
 and forth with requests and doing another call for artists and, you know, I just wanted

677
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:03,360
 to give you an extra show of appreciation because I know that was a lot more work.

678
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,960
 But I'm really, really, really happy with what we settled on.

679
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,880
 And I think it's pretty much exactly kind of where we wanted to go with it.

680
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,240
 And so thank you very much.

681
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,480
 I really appreciate all your extra work for that.

682
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,480
 Yes, thank you.

683
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,480
 I do too.

684
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,680
 It took, it took, we kind of gave y'all a beating for a while there, so thank you.

685
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,000
 I love the art that got picked as well.

686
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,360
 I think it's fabulous.

687
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,360
 Yeah.

688
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,360
 Same here.

689
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,360
 Thank you.

690
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,360
 Thank you so much.

691
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,360
 I think people are going to really, really enjoy it.

692
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,360
 It's super fun.

693
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,080
 And I'm, I think, I think it just, thank you.

694
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,080
 Okay.

695
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:45,520
 Well, Ed, I had one other thing just to kind of give you as a closing comment.

696
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:51,440
 I don't know if anybody had a chance to watch or was interested in watching the city council

697
00:47:51,440 --> 00:48:00,080
 meeting on Tuesday, but council member Davis proposed a concept to the city council members

698
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:07,120
 for staff to look into a piece of art that would be interactive with water as a water

699
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,620
 feature for razor ranch property.

700
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:15,560
 It's a new park that they just, we just acquired from the development, it was part of our parkland

701
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,080
 dedication and development ordinance and process.

702
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,780
 It's just shy of 10 acres.

703
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:24,680
 It's located just behind Winko.

704
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,680
 If you guys want to take a ride out there this weekend, you can check it out.

705
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:29,680
 It's a linear park.

706
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,920
 It's open space with a lot of trees.

707
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,640
 It has a lot of sidewalks or I should say trails within the park and lighting and open

708
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,160
 space where you could take your dog out there and throw a frisbee.

709
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:47,040
 But they would like to put some piece of art out there that was interactive with water.

710
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:53,520
 So they've asked staff to put together a report and report back to city council and to work

711
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,280
 with the public art committee.

712
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,840
 So that's going to be another item that's going to be on the agenda for next month.

713
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,840
 Okay.

714
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:00,840
 Good.

715
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:07,480
 Interactive like as like a splash pad or like for dogs, people either.

716
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,480
 Kind of.

717
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,480
 Yes.

718
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,040
 There's a piece of art in Spokane, Washington.

719
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,160
 It's a rotary piece that is pretty significant.

720
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,200
 It was $1.5 million.

721
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:25,160
 I think John, it was 1.4 and it had all kinds of artistic features to it.

722
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,760
 And then there was also a water play feature to it as well.

723
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,280
 They have put in quite a bit of renovations to it as well.

724
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,840
 So that's got to be something that's going to be under consideration as long-term maintenance

725
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,440
 and the impact of water to the art.

726
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:47,680
 So that's the challenge and opportunity that council has provided staff and the public

727
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,240
 art committee to look into.

728
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:57,680
 If you do a search, it's the rotary fountain is what it's called in Spokane.

729
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:06,780
 Is that is that siting given as an example or are you suggesting a, did he mention it

730
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:10,080
 as like he wanted to buy that or what are we saying here?

731
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,720
 I think it was an example.

732
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,320
 It was an example.

733
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,320
 Yeah.

734
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,320
 Okay.

735
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,320
 Cool.

736
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:22,560
 Look forward to talking about that on the next meeting.

737
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,560
 All right.

738
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,560
 Well, if there are no more concluding items, that's a wrap for the public art committee

739
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,560
 on April 16th.

740
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,560
 Michelle's raising her hand.

741
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,560
 Oh, sorry, Michelle.

742
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,560
 You're muted.

743
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,560
 Are you waving goodbye?

744
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:33,560
 I think she's waving goodbye.

745
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:34,560
 Okay.

746
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,560
 Sorry, Ed.

747
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,560
 That's okay.

748
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,560
 So thanks everyone.

749
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:48,560
 Thank you, staff, all for all the good work and everyone stay safe.

750
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,560
 Have a great weekend.

751
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,560
 Thank you.

752
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:50,560
 Thank you.