1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,880 Good morning and welcome to this joint meeting of the Denton City Council and Public Utility 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:07,880 Board. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,920 It is 11 a.m. on the 5th of April, 2021. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,600 I'm Mayor Pro Tem Jesse Davis, your regularly scheduled mayor, is unavoidably detained with 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,760 a work obligation. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,320 But at this time, being a joint meeting, I'll first open the council meeting and then Vice 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,160 Chair Bill Cheek will open the PUB meeting. 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,960 So at this time, I call to order this meeting of the Denton City Council. 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:36,640 Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, I'm Bill Cheek, I'm Vice Chair of the Public Utility Board. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:42,180 If we didn't, it is 11 a.m. and I will call the Public Utility Board, joint meeting of 11 00:00:42,180 --> 00:00:43,960 the City Council Board. 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,960 Thank you, Mr. Cheek. 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,680 I will call our one and only item. 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,080 This is a continuation of a meeting that we had back on the 23rd of March and we're not 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,440 able to get to this last item. 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:01,120 It is 1 a.i.d. 2 1 6 2 1, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,480 regarding processes, impacts, and results of service delivery during the February 2021 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:12,160 inclement weather event by the Water and Wastewater Utilities Department. 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Good morning, Mayor Pro Tem, members of the council, Vice Chair, and members of the PUB. 20 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,280 I'm Preet Sam Deshmukh, Deputy Director for Water and Wastewater Utilities, and I will 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:35,000 be talking about our report on the remainder items from the utility side of things. 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:41,560 Let me start by quickly sharing the screen and then we'll go from there. 23 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:54,560 Let me know if you can see the screen. 24 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,800 So it is a tag team effort. 25 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:04,640 I will be going through the majority, almost 80% of the presentation, and will be joined 26 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:11,720 towards the end, last couple slides by Terry Nolte, who has also been an interim director 27 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:19,400 for the water/wastewater side of things and as we had transitioned into getting a new 28 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,960 director, and I go through that in a little bit. 29 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,840 So quick agenda. 30 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:31,900 I will start on the water side of things, go through all the different areas, talk about 31 00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:41,320 our operation impact due to the storm, what changes we had to make or change in operation, 32 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,200 and then talk about lessons learned and improvements. 33 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,560 Kind of similar things on the wastewater side, and then go into specifically talking about 34 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:58,000 the public communication piece of this whole storm event, and then overall lessons learned 35 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 and improvement. 36 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,040 So there are opportunities that we have to improve some of our operations and some of 37 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:08,200 the stuff that we're working on, and ultimately kind of close it on a high note of what exactly 38 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,200 worked during the storm event. 39 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,980 So let's start with the water department operation. 40 00:03:15,980 --> 00:03:22,360 Our operation is primarily divided into four areas, starting with the treatment side of 41 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,400 things, it's also called water production, which is where we take in water from lakes 42 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:35,720 and treated and supply it to the residents and our customers here. 43 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:41,760 So we typically, we have two water treatment plants, typical demand during the winter season 44 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,640 is about 13 to 15 MGD. 45 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,260 When I say MGD, it's a million gallons per day. 46 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:53,880 So we're talking about a demand that's up to 15 million gallons. 47 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,200 If you can see the breakdown, we have two treatment facilities. 48 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:04,760 One is a Lake Louisville older facility that's in the heart of the city, and it treats about 49 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:11,560 10 million gallons a day for taking care of the demand during the winter season. 50 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:18,560 And Ray Roberts, which is closer to the Lake Ray Robert, right next to the dam, it treats 51 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,280 about three to five million gallons a day during the winter time. 52 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,880 The next area for our operation is the storage capacity. 53 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:35,680 We currently have five elevated tanks that amount to a total of 11 million gallons, and 54 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:41,640 then three ground storage tank, two of them are the larger ones are on site at the treatment 55 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,200 facilities and they're about 14 million gallons. 56 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,960 So total storage capacity that we have, it's 25 million gallons. 57 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,640 Then we obviously have the pipes in the ground. 58 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,200 It is our distribution system. 59 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,560 We have larger pipes and smaller pipes and so on and so forth. 60 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:06,720 Our main focus in that distribution system is to maintain a consistent pressure between 61 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,320 50 and 80 pounds per square inch. 62 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:16,440 So we have to maintain that pressure so that in any time in the system, the water is not 63 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:22,920 stagnant, it's continuously moving and that pressure itself identifies that yes, the water 64 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,200 is moving in the system and getting delivered to the places. 65 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:33,480 And then last but not least, our customer facing or residential facing area of operation 66 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:39,580 is the metering where we have all the residential meters and commercial and compound meters. 67 00:05:39,580 --> 00:05:47,280 We have approximately 39,000 residential meters and that is our final area of function within 68 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,280 the water department. 69 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:54,320 So I'm going to go a little bit into what exactly happened and why it happened. 70 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,440 There were primarily two main reasons of what happened. 71 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:05,440 We on the water production side of things, we were not able to maintain a constant treatment 72 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:12,540 plant output because of a couple of things, one was the rolling outages and freezing temperatures. 73 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:14,800 So that really impacted our operation. 74 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,040 We're not able to maintain a constant plant output. 75 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:24,240 And then the second thing happened was the peak demand was increased, almost doubled, 76 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:33,160 went from a typical demand of 15 million gallons to a 13 million gallon a day, primarily caused 77 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:39,640 due to some of the dripping faucets, and we had issued some conservation requests, made 78 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,080 some public appeals. 79 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,640 We'll go through that in a little bit. 80 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Those were the two primary reasons is not able to maintain a constant output and then 81 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,840 a considerably higher demand for this time of the year. 82 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,680 So why did it happen? 83 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:59,220 In the treatment facilities, I'll start with Ray Robert treatment plant that was really 84 00:06:59,220 --> 00:07:03,320 impacted severely as compared to Lake Louisville. 85 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,400 Ray Robert facility had five outages within a six hour time period. 86 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:14,040 This was starting 6 a.m. early morning, Monday morning, and went through noon. 87 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:21,600 And just to give an idea of what happens once an outage kicks in, it actually impacts all 88 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,880 the aspects of the plan. 89 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,660 So the operators have then have to go through the plan and look at every operation to make 90 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:33,240 sure that everything is back to normal and then give the thumbs up for the whole operation 91 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,240 to begin. 92 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,080 So it takes a while for us to go back once one outage happened. 93 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,040 Then imagine that in a series and sequence, you have five happening and just disrupted 94 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,420 the production side of things. 95 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:52,840 The other thing that did happen, we had an ozone generator failure right around the time 96 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 during this Monday power outages. 97 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:03,120 We also had some impacts due to the weather on the backup generators and then also some 98 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,800 of the chlorine feed lines, which are fairly exposed. 99 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:15,120 They're not buried down in the ground or they're not necessarily insulated, if you may. 100 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,240 They froze up and that created some challenges for us. 101 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:25,240 On the Lake Louisville treatment side of things, we had some issues with the intake bumps. 102 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:32,720 So typically when we say we're treating water, there is an area near the lake where we have 103 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:38,840 intake pumps, which actually pull water out of the lake and then send it to the treatment 104 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,840 facility. 105 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,380 So we were having issues. 106 00:08:41,380 --> 00:08:48,240 We have four intake pumps at this particular location and due to electric phase imbalance, 107 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,880 only two were operational. 108 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:56,120 So that considerably impacted our capacity to pull water out of the lake and get it to 109 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,480 the plant for getting treated. 110 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,740 So that's where that particular plant was impacted. 111 00:09:01,740 --> 00:09:04,560 As you can see, there were impacts to both these plants. 112 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:11,760 Ultimately, our water production capacity was considerably constrained for the three 113 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,760 days between Monday and Wednesday during that snowstorm week. 114 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,080 Oops, sorry, I jumped. 115 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,640 So what happened on the other types of areas that we are involved in? 116 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:32,840 On the storage side, as I mentioned earlier, there was a significant increase in the demand. 117 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:38,280 It went from a typical 15 million gallons a day to 30. 118 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,600 And there was a constraint on the plant production side. 119 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:48,920 So you can see both these really contributed to this storage issue. 120 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,800 Because the demand was high, all the stored water in our storage facility started draining 121 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,800 very quickly. 122 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,040 And you can see on this side, you can see some of these grafts. 123 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,480 You can see the drop in some of the water levels. 124 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:08,040 So at some point, we're down in certain tanks, it was really minimal. 125 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:15,240 But overall, system-wide, we were down to 10% to 15% of the storage capacity. 126 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:22,360 So that was a really critical element that we had to monitor constantly. 127 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:28,440 Because it did impact one of the key concerns here was public safety. 128 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,720 So if we did not have enough water in our storage system and did not have enough water 129 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:42,760 to pump out when it's needed, it created a public hazard or public health issue in case 130 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:48,000 there was significant fire, in case there were significant other emergencies that required 131 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 water. 132 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000 So that was critical. 133 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,320 We were monitoring constantly. 134 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,280 I do want to point out that that was a concern that staff was constantly looking at. 135 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:04,080 On the distribution side, where the pipes in the ground, because of the freezing temperatures, 136 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,400 we had more than normal average breaks. 137 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,880 Typically, we have about three breaks a week during the month of February or throughout 138 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,800 the winter itself. 139 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:20,980 And in this particular week where the storm hit, we had 16 water main breaks. 140 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:28,760 And then obviously on the meter side, we had a significant increase in requests from residents, 141 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:36,200 not just to turn off water, but also report some of the leaks. 142 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:41,680 And typically, we get about 90 tickets a week from residents, meaning they will call in 143 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:47,320 and provide concerns that, hey, we need to turn off water, and there were issues with 144 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,640 our connection. 145 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,020 In that particular week, we had 740 tickets. 146 00:11:53,020 --> 00:11:58,280 So as you can see, there is a considerable impact on our operation on the water side 147 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,840 of things, not just at the plants, but every single aspect of our operation was impacted 148 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,840 during that week. 149 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,960 Obviously, there were some other concerns that were happening. 150 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,560 We had staff that had to continuously work around the clock. 151 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:16,460 We have a specific number of plant operators that had to continually work. 152 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:19,120 We had to schedule them appropriately. 153 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:25,960 There were some staffing issues with our technical staff, our electrical staff that was attending 154 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,440 some of these pumps and voltage and phase imbalances had to be reassigned. 155 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,200 So we had some concern. 156 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,760 We had some staffing issues there. 157 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,520 Also, there was unreliable communication. 158 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:45,640 Some of these towers for cell phone and some of the communication towers were impacted 159 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:51,840 because of the power outages, and we were not getting reliable and constant communication. 160 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:59,200 You can actually see some of these graphs don't have a full reading set because of unreliable 161 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,280 communication in our network and in our SCADA system. 162 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:09,080 And then last but not least, obviously, transporting things had become an issue due to the conditions 163 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,080 on the road. 164 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,720 The roads were sleek, ice everywhere. 165 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,440 It was very difficult and I'll come to the point why that transportation piece was also 166 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:24,360 impacting our operation and when we get to what exactly did we change and how did we 167 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,720 deal with these different things. 168 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,360 So mitigation, what did we do? 169 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,720 As these problems were happening, the first thing we wanted to make sure that we actually 170 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,920 addressed our main concern, which was the public safety concern. 171 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:47,440 So we did issue a request for residents to start conserving water because we had that 172 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:54,960 constraint capacity at the treatment facilities and then also considerable high demand for 173 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,160 the three straight days. 174 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:05,760 So the Ray Roberts plant on Monday, as these power outages were very frequently occurring, 175 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,440 we switched to the generators. 176 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:14,040 Initially, we had some issues with the generators, but we were able to overcome those issues 177 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:19,300 and then restored continuous power supply to the treatment facility. 178 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:27,160 We also had to bring in our in-house electrical folks to replace some of the damaged electronic 179 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:36,680 components in the ozone generator, which was impacted due to the outages and fluctuation 180 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,080 in electricity there. 181 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:44,080 And then last, we had to change our chlorination process. 182 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:52,280 So since the pipes that were providing chlorine to the water were frozen, we began using bleach 183 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,520 to chlorinate. 184 00:14:53,520 --> 00:15:00,120 And you can see on this side of the screen actually a picture showing our folks bringing 185 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,040 in bleach on trucks. 186 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,040 There's a tote sitting on top of it, and that's where the transportation was required. 187 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,640 This is where we required folks from another department to help us to move this bleach 188 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:18,840 and bring it and feed it externally to chlorinate water. 189 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,920 And I do want to point out one thing when you say bleach and chlorinate water, this 190 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,120 is a standard process. 191 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,240 It has been used on the other treatment facility, so this is not something new that we had to 192 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,600 invent or it's not a tried and tested method. 193 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,020 It is a tried and tested. 194 00:15:36,020 --> 00:15:37,940 We are already using this. 195 00:15:37,940 --> 00:15:45,200 So switching to that particular process really helped us continue operation at this particular 196 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,960 treatment facility. 197 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:54,200 On the Lake Louisville treatment facility, there were considerable issues with the electric 198 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,760 supply phase imbalance. 199 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:04,280 And we had to work not only water staff, but we had to work with DME staff tirelessly for 200 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:11,280 three straight days to troubleshoot every single piece of not just the electronic side 201 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,980 of things, but even the pump side of things and motor side of things. 202 00:16:14,980 --> 00:16:19,840 So we had to troubleshoot all of the things that were connected to the system. 203 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:25,720 So ultimately, I think at the end of the third day, we were able to fix the problem. 204 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,680 We were able to get the facilities back and running and the intake operation back. 205 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:36,920 So that was our main focus in stabilizing the plant operation and increasing the production 206 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,400 capacity to meet the demand. 207 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,440 Similarly, we had to change operation on the other side of things. 208 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:52,840 So storage, as I mentioned earlier, we constantly tracked every single tank and their levels. 209 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:59,640 We almost had an hourly checklist and chart going every single time. 210 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,640 What are the levels? 211 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Are we rising? 212 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:02,640 Are we stable? 213 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,640 Are we declining? 214 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,280 So we had to really focus on keeping that. 215 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:12,760 One of the things that we did, we did remove one storage tank out of the system that helped 216 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:18,840 us add more, start filling up the other tanks fairly quickly. 217 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,640 As the Rosalong tank is a little bit at a higher elevation, it takes a lot longer to 218 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,440 get that tank and pressure build up to fill it. 219 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,480 So we took it offline. 220 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,800 We started filling all the other tanks and get them to a level where we're comfortable. 221 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:38,640 And then slowly we introduced the Rosalong tank back into the whole operation. 222 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,720 On the distribution side, as I mentioned, we had several leaks. 223 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,700 And in order to address these high number of leaks, we deployed wastewater crews. 224 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:52,520 There was minimal impact to our wastewater system. 225 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,760 So the collections, since these wastewater pipes are typically buried deep in the ground, 226 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,480 the water flowing through them is actually coming from homes, which are warmer water. 227 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,220 So we didn't have that much impact on the wastewater side. 228 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:11,760 So what we did, we were able to reassign the wastewater crews to go and help dig up the 229 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:17,000 trenches, help set up the equipment and help fix a large number of breaks. 230 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:23,280 So that was a really reassignment that staff really helped us address some of these breaks 231 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,680 very quickly and get things under control. 232 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:34,680 Similarly, on the metering side, we received a significant number of higher phone calls. 233 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:41,720 So customer service staff was able to jump in, set up, you know, makeshift areas to start 234 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,640 addressing and answer, I'm sorry, something's happening, oh, there we go, makeshift and 235 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,280 answer some of the questions. 236 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:56,000 And then also we had wastewater staff also jump in again and help the metering staff 237 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:02,160 go out and start turning the meters off, start helping with water leaks at the residential 238 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,160 service line. 239 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,840 So it was really helpful to reassign some of the staff, a lot of city staff jumped in 240 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,920 and we'll get to that, what really worked portion and Terry gets to talk about that 241 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,320 a little bit later in the presentation. 242 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Wastewater departments, that was all about water. 243 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,680 Now we're moving to wastewater. 244 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:30,360 I want to start down here where majority of the issues were handled without a large incident. 245 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:36,120 There was not a whole lot of impact, although there were some minor issues. 246 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:44,040 As you can see, the wastewater treatment facility saw a increase in flow, which is about 40, 247 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,840 50% higher flow coming into the treatment facility. 248 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:56,160 There were some impacts from the weather, freezing of sludge lines and freezing of backwash 249 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,700 system at the ropes and ranch reclamation plant. 250 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:05,940 And then also freezing of some biodiesel fuel, it thickened and it impacted the generators 251 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:09,200 that we used in the lift station during the rolling outages. 252 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,720 So yes, there was some impact weather-wise as some of these lines started freezing up, 253 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:21,000 we were able to quickly get staff in and unfreeze them and get the operation back to normal. 254 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,040 And then the other thing, we did see a lot of collaboration, wastewater staff helping 255 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:31,040 water production address some of these staff issues, staffing issues, and also helping 256 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:38,720 them provide electrical, technical expertise in addressing some of their problems. 257 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:45,040 So all in all, wastewater department was less impacted, if you may, compared to the other 258 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,360 operation that we have. 259 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,560 And then quickly go over the public, I know there's a lot of information on this slide, 260 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,680 I don't want you to just focus on this particular table. 261 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,800 These are the, this is just a print of actual notifications that were sent out. 262 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:06,680 A quick timeline on what information and when it was sent out, I want to point out this 263 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:14,980 was 2/16, I think it was a Tuesday that we started noticing a considerable drop in storage 264 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:20,560 tank levels and immediately issued a water conservation notice. 265 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:27,520 And then we tracked the following day on Wednesday, we saw that the tank levels were improving 266 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:33,240 but still wanted to maintain that hey, we need to conserve water to get to a comfortable 267 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,900 position, so we continue to issue a conservation notice. 268 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:42,360 And then on Wednesday, unfortunately, our system wide pressure, there were quite a few 269 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:50,760 locations that the pressure within the pipe dropped below 20 pounds per square inch, consistent 270 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:56,840 with the TCEQ guidelines, we have to report it, we have to issue a boil notice and report 271 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:06,520 it to TCEQ, so staff had to follow that direction from the state agency from TCEQ, making sure 272 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:13,240 that everyone was notified that there was a pressure drop and finally boil water notice 273 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,200 was issued. 274 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,480 In the next couple days, we really focused on stabilizing the levels in the storage tank 275 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:27,680 for the water and then also worked on updating the boil water notice. 276 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:35,160 And then finally, Saturday morning, we were able to lift the boil water notice and cancel 277 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:41,640 that a little bit of steps in between is not only we have to stabilize, but we have to 278 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:47,920 conduct sampling and analysis, which typically takes about 12 to 18 hours. 279 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:55,280 So we started that, we set up the sampling collection on Friday, so the notice was issued 280 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,600 on Wednesday, we set up the collection on Friday where we felt, yes, we're at a point 281 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,240 where the system was back. 282 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,720 And we picked samples up by noon, we had all of them in the lab and started testing once 283 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200 the test was complete. 284 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,640 On Friday, Saturday morning is when we got the results and immediately issued the cancellation. 285 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:22,920 So that was a little bit of timeline to understand what was going on on our side versus the outward 286 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,040 facing piece with the public and the notifications. 287 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,040 And then I want to turn to Terry for the last couple of slides. 288 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:37,240 He is online and he will be talking about the action items or the opportunities for 289 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,280 improvement and then the final slide, which is what worked. 290 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,280 Terry? 291 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,280 Yes, good morning, Council, POB members. 292 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:53,760 I'm going to go over these improvement opportunities and just briefly describe kind of the actions 293 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,820 that we're going to be taking. 294 00:23:55,820 --> 00:24:01,320 And I'll just point out that during the storm, I was in a role acting as interim director 295 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,880 of water and wastewater. 296 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,540 And I want to thank the water and wastewater team for the job that they did, although we 297 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:15,760 never like to issue full water notices, we are required to do so under these conditions 298 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:22,120 and they worked very, very hard to get the system back into operating state as quickly 299 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,980 as possible. 300 00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:30,040 So I'm going to give you all these improvement opportunities and then our new director of 301 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,800 water and wastewater, Stephen Gay, who's online here with me, is going to get the opportunity 302 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,760 to bring these back in front of you to the extent that they require either POB or council 303 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,400 approval. 304 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,000 So the first area we'll talk about is public communication. 305 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:53,600 I think there was a number of comments that we received that our messages were confusing. 306 00:24:53,600 --> 00:25:02,680 At the same time that we're talking about people running their faucets to drip to keep 307 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,600 their lines from freezing up, we're also asking for water conservation measures. 308 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:15,160 And I think as Preetam has described, that was a necessary evil because our tank levels 309 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:22,700 were going down so quickly, we had to ask for those conservation measures. 310 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:30,680 So we're working on messaging and getting some predetermined messages that are approved 311 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:38,240 for these situations so that we can avoid the level of confusion. 312 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,080 We've reviewed our SOPs, our standard operating procedures and our emergency plans to make 313 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:51,360 sure that we're fully compliant with TCEQ requirements and that we have the right contacts 314 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:56,660 in place both within the city and within the media outlets. 315 00:25:56,660 --> 00:26:04,080 And then social media response, you know, most of our communication these days is through 316 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,600 social media. 317 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,600 That's the most rapid way that we can get messaging out to our customers. 318 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:17,960 And so we are looking at social media policy issues. 319 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:24,320 One of the issues is we don't normally respond to social media posts. 320 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,320 And we were seeing some posts that potentially exacerbated the problem. 321 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,200 We had a number of posts where citizens were saying that, hey, there's a main break at 322 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:42,080 this location, fill your bathtub with water so that you don't run out of water. 323 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,320 And we were not able to respond to those postings. 324 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:53,800 And we need to look at that to make sure in those situations we have the proper response. 325 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,640 We've heard a lot of talk about weatherization. 326 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,400 And clearly we've got to invest some money in weatherization. 327 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:09,280 The Ray Roberts chlorine system we will include as part of a project that we have going on, 328 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,560 the Ray Roberts regulatory upgrade, which is a large capital project, $30 million plus 329 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,740 project that we have going on. 330 00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:19,040 We're doing the design work now. 331 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:25,560 We will integrate those weatherization issues into that design. 332 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:31,460 Tank levels, the chart that Preetam showed just showed that we lost tank signals. 333 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:33,720 We couldn't tell how much water was in our tanks. 334 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,340 And that's never a good situation. 335 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:40,120 So we're going to have to look at how to upgrade those to make sure we always have constant 336 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,820 surveillance of our water levels. 337 00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:48,360 We did have the wastewater sludge line freeze up at Pecan Creek. 338 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:54,200 We're also doing a solid handling project, which we're doing the design work on that 339 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,760 now and we'll integrate into that design some weatherization. 340 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:08,160 The Robeson Ranch backwash issue, we are decommissioning the Robeson Ranch wastewater treatment plant 341 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,680 in 2022 and be diverting that wastewater to Pecan Creek. 342 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,400 And so that one's kind of a self-healing. 343 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,940 We're going to be taking care of that without any additional investments. 344 00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:24,760 And then flushing truck bay. 345 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,720 When we see this severe weather coming in, we're going to have to take some additional 346 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,160 measures to get our critical equipment into heated areas so that we can ensure that they're 347 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,880 going to be able to start up. 348 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:45,040 On the power supply side, Ray Roberts, the backup generators were not operating at the 349 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,480 level or reliability that we would like them to. 350 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,600 We're going to have to look at that. 351 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,140 And again, that'll be part of that regulatory upgrade scope of work. 352 00:28:55,140 --> 00:29:00,560 We have been in contact with the electric provider, which is CoServe. 353 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:07,880 And as you're aware, there's a statewide effort going on to identify all the critical facilities. 354 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,380 And we've added this facility to the list and hopefully that will resolve our issue. 355 00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:22,320 We still need backup generation there in the event that we would lose that power feed. 356 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,240 The intake pumps, we've resolved that issue as a switch problem on the DME circuit. 357 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:33,320 And we feel comfortably that we've resolved that with no additional efforts. 358 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:41,360 The boil water advisory, I just want to make sure everybody's clear on this. 359 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,520 We were forced to make the boil water advisory because our pressure dropped below 20 PSI. 360 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:53,860 At no time did we have concerns that contaminated water had been pulled into our water system. 361 00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:59,720 This was a regulatory requirement due to that high demand and our inability to produce water 362 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,020 in sufficient quantities to meet that demand. 363 00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:11,480 And so that conflicting information, again, what happened was once we lifted the boil 364 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:19,240 water advisory, we saw posts on social media telling residents to run their water for 10 365 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:26,160 minutes before they could consume it and to flush out their ice machines to make sure 366 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:34,360 that the ice that potentially was made with contaminated water was fully flushed out of 367 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,160 the system. 368 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:43,720 And in a normal water main break situation where we lose pressure and we have an open 369 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:50,880 pipe that could potentially pull in water from an excavation, contaminated water, that 370 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,080 would be an issue. 371 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,560 But in this case, since we never had an opening to contaminated water, that was not a concern 372 00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,560 that we had. 373 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,560 And we need to do a better job of communicating that. 374 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:08,840 So we'll be working on communication protocols to ensure that that's clear. 375 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:15,920 And then one thing that we didn't anticipate, which was having no power to boil water with. 376 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,680 So when you don't have any power to be able to run your electric stove to boil water with, 377 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,720 that's a situation that we had not contemplated. 378 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:32,360 And so we're considering what our inventory level should be for bottled water and in-house 379 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240 capabilities for production. 380 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:43,280 Some other issues that came up because the inability of transportation systems became 381 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:53,520 precipitously low on certain chemical inventories and we have revised our processes, our standard 382 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,640 operating procedures now to look at those chemical inventory levels at our production 383 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:07,940 facilities in anticipation of the winter months coming on a potential repeat. 384 00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:13,240 One of your new director of water, wastewater strengths is emergency planning and he'll 385 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:19,880 be looking at all of our emergency planning and processes and incident command integration 386 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,440 to make sure that they are best in class. 387 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,760 Preetam mentioned the staffing issue that we ran into, which was our instrument and 388 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,220 controls and electricians personnel. 389 00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:40,200 We found out through this process that we didn't have enough. 390 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,980 We have limited staff in that area. 391 00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:51,640 We actually had to borrow staff from DME both from the line crews and from the deck to help 392 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:57,880 troubleshoot some issues and to provide a level of staffing necessary to meet the demands. 393 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,700 So that's something that as we go through the budget for next year, we'll be looking 394 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:09,520 at getting rid of that risk if we can. 395 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:20,440 The number of pipe breaks in homes and the need for us to come out and turn off the meter, 396 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,920 turn off the water to the home at the street was hampered by the fact that we were sending 397 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:35,920 crews out and there was still ice and materials that were overtop of the meter boxes and where 398 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:42,280 the valves were, it took a long time to locate a number of these shutoffs. 399 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,820 And so we'll be looking at geolocating each of those so that someone can go out with an 400 00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:55,960 instrument and know precisely where that valve should be located on these homes and businesses. 401 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:04,760 And then finally, the diesel fuel, this was an issue across all of our utilities. 402 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:10,720 When the temperature got down and below zero, that diesel fuel gelled and we couldn't get 403 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,480 generators or trucks started. 404 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,880 And we're working with Fleet to see if we can't provide some additives that will abate 405 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,320 that problem in the future. 406 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,520 Go to the next slide if you would, pre-Tim. 407 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,640 So what did work? 408 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,360 Our staff did a stellar job. 409 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,560 Everybody pulled together. 410 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:41,800 Like I said, we used people from DME, we used people from Fleet to transport chemicals from 411 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,360 Louisville to Ray Roberts. 412 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,120 It was just an amazing show of teamwork. 413 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:57,440 Our lab provides laboratory results or laboratory analysis with just unbelievable quick turnaround 414 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,440 times. 415 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,260 Having that capability in-house saved us countless hours. 416 00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:08,400 And by the way, they do that service for other municipalities as well. 417 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,680 And they don't get the praise that they deserve. 418 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,920 They do a super job at the lab and they're a very valuable asset to the city. 419 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,920 Strong leadership. 420 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,560 I mean, the city manager's office was, we were on the phone four times a day, every 421 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:33,480 day for the entire duration of the storm from really from Saturday the 13th all the way 422 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,800 through Saturday the 20th until the incidents were over. 423 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,440 And the city manager's office provided us with the support we needed. 424 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:51,040 We even had folks from HR that were bringing food out to our employees that had been working 425 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,120 24 hours or more. 426 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,320 Just really appreciated all that support. 427 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,760 And the constant clear lines of communication with city staff were critical, as well as 428 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,400 trying to do the best we possibly could with residents to keep them up to speed on what 429 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:16,760 was happening so that they understood when water was expected to come back. 430 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,640 And we actually beat our estimate. 431 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,920 We anticipated that it would be early Sunday morning for releasing the boil water advisor. 432 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,320 We were able to actually get it released mid-morning on Saturday. 433 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,120 So with that, Preetam, if you'll take it down, we can answer any questions. 434 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Give me a second. 435 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:47,520 There we go. 436 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,120 Okay, questions? 437 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,160 Mr. Jumper, I think I saw you first. 438 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,120 Yeah, thanks, guys. 439 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,840 I have two questions, if I may. 440 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:03,800 You mentioned storage capacity got down around 10 to 15%, I believe. 441 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,500 So I was curious, I didn't catch this if you said it. 442 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:09,400 What is an acceptable minimum? 443 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,400 What's dangerous? 444 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,480 Like, what does that level mean for us? 445 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:21,040 Yeah, I would say anything lower than 20% is a danger zone that we need to be very concerned 446 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,040 about. 447 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,480 And the issue there is really a public safety issue. 448 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,600 To the extent that we had a major fire in the city, we'd have a hard time recovering 449 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,520 our tank levels. 450 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,560 Okay. 451 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:44,280 And then secondly, I have to ask, has anybody looked into the implications of the do not 452 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,320 drip notice? 453 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,480 Telling people not to drip in their lines, did that in fact cause more line breaks? 454 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,680 Has anybody looked at anything like that? 455 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,240 Do we know anything? 456 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,760 We've not done any investigations on that. 457 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:08,560 I think line breaks are really more a result of shifting ground from freezing and thawing 458 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,800 and the temperature of the water in the lines. 459 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:19,900 We're pulling water out of the lake and as the lake gets colder, that temperature differentiation 460 00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:24,680 between the water and the pipe, the steel and the surrounding ground causes an expansion 461 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:31,000 issue and that's really what leads to most of the breaks that we see during really cold 462 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000 weather periods. 463 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,920 Are you talking in the mains in the main system or in individual houses? 464 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,400 I was speaking of water mains and distribution lines, yeah. 465 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:50,720 As far as homes go, you know, the theory is if you keep water running through your pipes, 466 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:56,160 then the ice will not have time to build up and expand and crack your pipe. 467 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,920 So if you keep water running through there, you should not seem to have that problem. 468 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,880 You know, our issue here was that while we wanted to help homeowners to protect their 469 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:15,920 personal property, we had to worry about public safety and that's why we were asking for conservation 470 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,240 notices at the same time they were hearing that you need to keep your lines dripping 471 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,680 in order to keep them from freezing up. 472 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,080 Mr. Sof? 473 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,680 Yes, thank you. 474 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:41,200 I had some questions about the 16 water main breaks. 475 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:48,240 Were these caused by freezing water or by ground shifts or both? 476 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,080 I think it was all of the above. 477 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,320 There were several things that played into that, not only the temperature and the differential, 478 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:02,560 but also the pipe material, the age of the pipes and where they were located. 479 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040 I think it was all of the above. 480 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:10,080 Okay, you sort of answered my other questions because I was curious if there was a consensus 481 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,960 of older pipes, newer pipes, iron PVC? 482 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:15,960 Correct. 483 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,960 Yeah. 484 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,240 It included all pipe material. 485 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,680 There are some of the larger pipes. 486 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,000 There were ductile iron. 487 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000 They had breaks as well. 488 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,960 It was not just the particular type of material that was impacted. 489 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,960 Okay. 490 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,120 Were these mains above ground or below ground? 491 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,120 Below ground. 492 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,160 The majority of these mains have to be dug out. 493 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,120 Do you know how many customers were affected by those 16 breaks? 494 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,120 I don't have that direct number on top of my head, but there were several main breaks 495 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,680 that we were able to isolate without impacting the customers. 496 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,360 We did put some of these pieces of pipe in isolation and diverted around them because 497 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,080 we have a loop system in the majority of the city. 498 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:09,080 Going back to something that Terry said about water flow reducing ice formation, does that 499 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,280 have any bearing on water mains too? 500 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,120 I would assume that there's water flowing through those all the time. 501 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,120 Correct. 502 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,960 Then the other piece to that is how deep they're buried because there is a certain level that 503 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,720 the freezing reaches to and depending on the timeline that how long the freezing is actually 504 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:36,000 happening, if the pipe is buried fairly deep, it doesn't hit those pipes as far as the temperature 505 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,000 is concerned. 506 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:46,920 I guess the big question is, and I didn't see it mentioned in the action items and improvement 507 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,920 opportunities, is how do you weatherize water mains? 508 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,280 Do you dig them up and make them deeper or what? 509 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480 It seems like a real conundrum. 510 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,360 It is a challenge and Terry can jump in a little bit, but it is a challenge. 511 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,080 Obviously, there are freezing lines defined in several regions throughout the US where 512 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,840 there are cold temperatures. 513 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:17,480 If you go to a place like Chicago, the freezing lines are under three. 514 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,040 Everything has to be three to four feet below ground because that's where the freezing lines 515 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,240 hit. 516 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:27,680 For areas where we are at, it's about six inches currently, but when you hit something 517 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,880 like this, which is unexpected and stays for more than three to four days, those lines 518 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,280 typically dip down further in. 519 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:42,440 As a utility, does it make sense to lower all the lines for one event? 520 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:50,320 That's a difficult question to answer and it doesn't financially make sense at this 521 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,840 point, but Terry can add to that. 522 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,840 Thank you very much. 523 00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:04,480 I don't have anything to add except that really it's just the nature of the beast. 524 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:11,160 We have development codes that require lines to be placed at a certain depth, below a certain 525 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,640 depth, and that's in order to provide that level of freeze protection as well. 526 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:23,280 Anecdotally, for a groundwater system where you're pumping water out of the ground at 527 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,960 a constant temperature year round, you don't typically have a lot of main breaks. 528 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,600 Most of the main breaks are due to this big swing in temperature of the water inside the 529 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,600 pipe. 530 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:42,880 If you think about it, you got very cold water in a pipe surrounded by soil that's a relatively 531 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:49,200 stable temperature and that contraction because of that cold water in the pipe causes stresses 532 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,920 on the piping system that you don't normally see and that's what causes a lot of the main 533 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,920 breaks. 534 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,400 If I may, one more question. 535 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,400 Go ahead. 536 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:06,440 You have figures on how many or if there were any water main breaks in 2011 when that weather 537 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,080 event occurred. 538 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,920 Yes, we can pull that information if we have that available. 539 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,920 Absolutely. 540 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,680 I'd really like to see that. 541 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680 Thank you very much. 542 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,280 Thank you, Mr. Sof, Mr. Rybak. 543 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,440 Yes, thank you. 544 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,440 I was curious. 545 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,200 I think it was Terry earlier mentioned PCQ. 546 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,680 I'm just don't know what that is so I'd like to ask. 547 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:41,880 Yes, T-C-T is in Terry, T-C-E-Q, that's the Texas Environmental, Texas, help me out guys. 548 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880 Texas Commission on Environmental Quality. 549 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,880 Oh, T-C-E-Q. 550 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,880 Okay. 551 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:53,880 So, it's the regulatory agency that issues the permits for our water treatment system 552 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,320 and regulates drinking water throughout the state. 553 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,560 Okay, thank you. 554 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:08,280 The other thing you guys had mentioned, weatherizing fuel lines for the generators, does that weatherization 555 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:14,680 mean just insulation or are you looking at heat trace on the lines, tanks above ground, 556 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,640 belly tanks on the generators, can you tell us a little more about that? 557 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,920 Go ahead, Terry. 558 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:28,400 Yeah, so we'll have to study that and it'll be specific to each of the sites. 559 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:34,960 You know, theoretically if we can list all of our water production facilities, our booster 560 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,400 pump stations and tanks as critical facilities and they're on circuits that we don't lose 561 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,320 electric on, should this happen again, the level of weatherization probably will be less 562 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,920 than if they have to be operated as a remote standalone operation, so each facility we 563 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,440 looked at individually. 564 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:58,320 Yeah, so I was a little surprised to find that your water facilities were not on the 565 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,800 critical facility list, I must have been kind of a surprise to you guys too. 566 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,840 Unfortunately it was, yes. 567 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,080 Thank you. 568 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,080 Thank you Mr. Ibeck. 569 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,080 Council member Armentor. 570 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,720 Yes, I have three questions. 571 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,440 The first one is about communication with the fire department. 572 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:29,920 I was curious, you know, what, if any communication there was either way between the, from the 573 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:39,000 water department to the fire department or vice versa about the, you know, the kind of 574 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:48,280 push and pull between the, you know, do not drip your faucets and the, you know, fire 575 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,160 department responding to so many line breaks. 576 00:46:53,160 --> 00:47:01,280 Interestingly both departments, it seems the demand was up about 700% roughly. 577 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,120 So you know, based on what you mentioned. 578 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:11,560 Yeah, so we, so council member Armentor, we always let the fire department know anytime 579 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:19,800 that we have a tank, a level issue or a pressure issue is specifically so that they know if 580 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,400 they're responding to a fire incident in part of the city that has a low pressure area, 581 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,120 they know to be prepared for that by bringing tank trucks, etc. 582 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:37,280 So we were also in communication with them, as I mentioned, four times a day as part of 583 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:43,600 our, our daily communication with the city manager's office, fire department participated 584 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,600 in that. 585 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:51,400 So we were able to keep them up to speed on what measures we were taking. 586 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,400 Thank you. 587 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:59,160 And my next question is about requests for shutoffs and it's kind of divided into two 588 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,320 parts and you can handle it however you want, businesses and apartments. 589 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:13,480 So did you, were you aware of, you know, and this could be for pre tam or Terry or both, 590 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:21,920 you know, aware of businesses that were not operational because of the, the, because the 591 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:29,840 freeze shut down pretty much everything, almost everything, that did not request to have their 592 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:40,440 water shut off that maybe could have both, you know, benefited those, those businesses 593 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:49,040 and the community from both a conservation and infrastructure point of view if they had, 594 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:55,240 you know, there had maybe been a, you know, some sort of communication to them that, you 595 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,720 know, you might want to shut your water off or you have to shut your water off. 596 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:12,640 And then as far as apartments go, you know, what, what is your sense of the degree of 597 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:21,000 management owners who requested to have their water shut off out of concern for, you know, 598 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:30,360 pipe damage that ended up leaving their water off for a long time, either out of concern 599 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:38,280 about what could happen or out of legitimate, you know, insufficient, you know, improperly 600 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:44,040 weatherized pipes. So if you could speak to both, I don't expect that you have concrete 601 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,320 data on all this because you're responding to whoever's in touch with you, but just anecdotally 602 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:56,200 kind of your sense of shutoffs for both businesses and apartments. 603 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:02,200 I can start with addressing the apartment piece. I think apartments typically have on-site 604 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:08,960 facility maintenance folks that are aware of where these valves are, where these shutoff 605 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:16,240 points are, and that's what they typically use. So we don't believe that there were 606 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:22,840 any significant calls, and I can find the exact numbers exactly of how many apartments 607 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,560 reached out to us, but they have the ability to send that person out there and take care 608 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:35,480 of some of the issues that they are experiencing on site. As far as businesses that were closed, 609 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:44,640 and a lot of them were, if we did receive calls from, you know, residents or businesses 610 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:52,480 nearby, then absolutely we addressed the concerns, but we did not actually reach out or attempt 611 00:50:52,480 --> 00:51:02,240 to address some of these extra calls or extra turnoffs at the time, just given the amount 612 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:09,480 of calls that we're receiving from active residents to proactively engage more folks 613 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:16,640 and do that kind of stuff. But I'll let Terry if he has anything to add to that. 614 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,640 I don't. 615 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,980 Thank you for answering that. That makes a lot of sense. You all are so busy, you're 616 00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:31,280 not going to be calling all the different businesses. I would hope that moving forward, 617 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:37,040 those of us who have lived through this, business owners, property owners, renters, whoever, 618 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,160 have a better sense of, okay, if this happens again or when this happens again, I'll make 619 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:50,080 sure to shut off the water to my business before locking up the shop or whatever. And 620 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:57,960 maybe with that 2020 hindsight, notice to business, and forgive me if this was already 621 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:08,520 done, but notice to businesses, just a general notice on social media and whatnot, an emergency 622 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:16,560 alert saying businesses, if you are shut down, please turn off your water. That probably 623 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:26,480 happened already. But anyway, my final question is about mobile homes that depend on well 624 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:34,880 water. And because of that, it's not a question about our water utility, our public water 625 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:45,280 utility, but it is a question about public water need. And so I was just wondering if 626 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:53,200 anything that you have heard anecdotally about mobile home communities that are dependent 627 00:52:53,200 --> 00:53:04,880 on well water, who are not able to get back to normal as quickly as people who were on 628 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:19,800 city water. Yeah. We don't have any knowledge about mobile home renters or owners that aren't 629 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,840 on our system. We wouldn't have any access to that information. 630 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:32,300 And thank you. And I realize you don't have the access to that. I know that anecdotally 631 00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:38,480 I've heard and heard about, and I thought maybe y'all had to, about some communities 632 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:46,440 who struggled for extra long because they didn't have this great resource that we're 633 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:52,440 all talking about. So just something for all of us decision makers to think about moving 634 00:53:52,440 --> 00:54:01,200 forward as far as public water need. Okay. Other questions? I will make a quick 635 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:07,560 programming note. The city council has a scheduled quote unquote luncheon meeting at noon. That'll 636 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:13,400 be a different web link. Anybody who's watching along with this one and wants to see that 637 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,400 meeting as well, that'll be a different web link and it'll be after the conclusion of 638 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,800 this meeting in a short break. Council member Ryan, I think I saw your hand first. 639 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:29,720 Thank you. I got just a couple of quick questions. One is, this is similar to what I was asking 640 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:37,360 on the antifreeze at the power plant last week. On the chlorine, is there a way that 641 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:43,960 if we had it at a stronger solution than what we currently have? Because I know chlorine 642 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,320 has a very low freeze point. I mean, I think it's 150 below that pure chlorine freezes 643 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,640 that. Is that something that we're looking at to make it or is that a regulatory that 644 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,000 you're only allowed to use a certain strength and that's the strength that we had and that's 645 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,760 what froze? I think I can start the answer, Terry, and 646 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:08,800 what are the issues on the chlorine line was there was a valve that actually opens and 647 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,800 connects to the water that is sitting in the tank and that valve kind of back leaked into 648 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,640 the whole line, which froze the line. It's not necessarily the actual gas or liquid gas 649 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:26,800 got frozen up. It was more of that malfunction of the active valve and if that ever happens 650 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,200 again, yes, we're running into the same issue, but we're working on is coming up with a solution 651 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:38,680 that doesn't happen and we address that. Okay. And then my other question is regarding 652 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:45,160 meter keys because I know a lot of the local supply houses or big box stores, let's put 653 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:53,440 it that way, sell meter keys that don't work on city meter boxes. As we go forward, does 654 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,840 the city supply those or is that something that the developer would put in as they build 655 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,860 out an area? Yeah, I don't have an answer if we supply 656 00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:10,120 it, but we can definitely get back to you as to how we can address this issue. 657 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,080 Yeah. I'm just thinking the next time, if the city supplies them, the next time we go 658 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,880 to order them to see if there's some that work with a little bit more wide range of 659 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,960 key varieties, because I know I have the neighbor across the street had borrowed a key from 660 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,520 another neighbor and spent, he was out there for 10 minutes, then another neighbor came 661 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,960 out and they worked on it for another 15 minutes. I've got one that works. I walked over there 662 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:40,200 and twisted and it was up. So if you're trying to shut off that water in a hurry, that makes 663 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:49,720 a huge difference. Absolutely. Board member Divini, did I see your hand 664 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:55,340 a little while ago? Yeah, I just had a sort of rookie question 665 00:56:55,340 --> 00:57:03,040 about what difference summer demand would make. Obviously, there was a question because 666 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:09,600 demand went up, but the demand would not have been as high as it is on a typical day in 667 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:15,960 the summer. So I was wondering just how important water demand was considering that we have 668 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,840 times of the year when demand is much, much higher than the winter demand. 669 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:30,640 Yes. Great question. So we do have seasonal maintenance activities that we're performing 670 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:37,480 at the facilities and during the low flow winter periods is when we're performing our 671 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:44,760 major maintenance activities. Fortunately, we were not in an outage of any type on either 672 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:52,880 of the plants during this time, but we were not prepared to be able to produce 30 million 673 00:57:52,880 --> 00:58:00,480 gallons per day in the middle of the winter. We just don't set up our operations that way. 674 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:06,520 Now that we've seen this incident, we'll be taking measures to make sure that we have 675 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:12,120 the ability to do that. Councilmember Meltzer? 676 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:23,840 Thank you. With 2020 hindsight, now we would say there's simply no way that people are 677 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:32,080 going to conserve water when they need to drip in order to avoid $52500 worth of damage. 678 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,280 If we started with that point of view, if this were to magically happen exactly the 679 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:44,240 same way, would we have given different communication? Like could we have prepared people for the 680 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:53,680 clear trending toward boil water notice? But if we see it sooner, instead of saying stop 681 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:58,600 dripping, which they're not going to do, would we have given different advice? Do X to prepare 682 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:05,000 for the boil water notice that is inevitably coming? 683 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:11,440 Let me try to answer that, Councilmember Meltzer. I think that first, we'd never experienced 684 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:22,360 this level of freezing for as long as it took place. Normally we'd have our tanks full and 685 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:28,800 we'd be filling them back up at night. The level of dripping that we would expect for 686 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,840 an incident like this would have not been an issue. We should have been able to handle 687 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:38,440 it. But the fact that our production facilities were impacted at the same time that we had 688 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:45,920 this large demand and we couldn't remedy those production issues because of the weather, 689 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:55,380 that was really the problem. As I mentioned, it was unfortunate that we had to issue directives 690 00:59:55,380 --> 01:00:01,600 or recommendations about dripping water to protect your pipes and then come out and say, 691 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:09,880 well, we really need you to conserve now. That conservation message was really focused 692 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,880 on the public safety aspect of making sure we had enough water if forgotten. 693 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,400 I'm not saying it critically. I understand entirely what the thought process was, but 694 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:30,600 now we have the benefit of 20/40 hindsight. That's why I'm saying knowing what we now 695 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:36,020 know about behavior and whatever. Obviously, ideally we're going to plan ahead and the 696 01:00:36,020 --> 01:00:44,880 situation won't recur, but it could. Maybe don't answer now. 697 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:51,200 I really appreciate your point and I wholeheartedly agree with you that if we could figure out 698 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,680 something that we could have done, and I guess the answer to that would be have our production 699 01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:02,840 facilities in better shape from a weatherization perspective so that we don't end up in a situation 700 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,400 where we can't meet the demand. 701 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:12,960 I totally get that, but okay. I'm not going to press for an answer, but maybe there is 702 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:20,760 something that people could be advised to do in the time before if some other set of 703 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:29,060 circumstances converge so that we do face some kind of situation like this. Despite 704 01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:34,520 our best efforts, is there something we could say in the hours before a boiled water notice 705 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,800 that would help people prepare? 706 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:43,080 I really appreciate the suggestion and we'll certainly look at it to see if there is something 707 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:56,400 we can do. With respect to boiled water advisories, we could have potentially notified citizens 708 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:03,640 that levels in tanks were getting progressively lower and that delivery pressures were getting 709 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:08,700 lower and that there was a potential for boiled water advisory, but I think that would have 710 01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:14,600 the same effect as the social media posting I mentioned, which was, "Hey, let's fill our 711 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,820 bathtubs now." 712 01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:17,840 Well, it's not irrational, right? 713 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:24,780 No, it's not. It's a perfectly rational thought process and I don't fault anyone for posting 714 01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:27,480 that or for taking those actions. 715 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,240 It just precipitates the thing you know is coming. 716 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:37,000 It's kind of like a snowball going downhill, right? The problem gets more and more compounded. 717 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:45,160 But maybe there's advice like, just to take a little honing, but we know you're going 718 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:53,400 to want to set some water aside, limit it to a gallon or I don't know. 719 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,760 I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. 720 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,060 Council Member Meltzer, I think from this whole incident that occurred and it pretty 721 01:03:02,060 --> 01:03:08,480 much showed us where we have some efforts to focus on. That is one, being more proactive 722 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:14,560 in preparing our information for sharing with the public. So as you've heard several of 723 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,480 them say, they were going to go back and look at their emergency operations plans and the 724 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:24,440 media part of it and start to develop sort of fact sheets and things that we can then 725 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,880 have on hand to pull out. 726 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:32,200 We also need to help educate our population about, you know, exactly what happened here 727 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:37,440 you heard today is what happens when you have a freeze to this extent and the lines that 728 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,680 we have to maintain are frozen, can't get our generators going and then our water levels 729 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:48,640 go down. It really is then a matter of us sharing with the public that while in some 730 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:54,360 cases we'd ask you to drip, this is a matter of having water available from an emergency 731 01:03:54,360 --> 01:04:00,200 circumstance to not drip. And I think it's just a matter of how we start to help share 732 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:05,080 these messages so that we're prepared better if and when this happens to us again. 733 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,160 Well, I, you know, I'm going to go over it over and over and I'm not, I'm not saying 734 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:16,040 this out of criticism. I mean, I know that you guys were doing, you know, amazingly difficult 735 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:22,440 simultaneous, you know, emergency response situations. So it's not my tenor. It's just, 736 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:28,760 you know, okay, what would, you know, just what can we learn? But I don't think what 737 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,800 we learned is if you explain it better to people, they would stop dripping. I mean, 738 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,560 my starting point is they're never going to do that. 739 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,200 No, no, they won't. You're absolutely right. 740 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,200 Increasing temperatures. 741 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,400 Yeah. I think it's just, we want to, I think most importantly, we want to help explain 742 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:47,840 to the public sort of what has happened, which we're doing and, and what we would do differently 743 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,400 in the future. You know, this, hopefully we won't experience this, but it looks like it 744 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,920 happens about every eight to 10 years and we may be up for it again. 745 01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,480 Yep. Thank you. 746 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,560 Thank you all for that exchange. And I think those are fair questions and fair answers. 747 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,120 I don't think anybody really expected quite the sequence of events. We've all lived through 748 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,600 hard freezes, right? We know kind of what to do, but the, the sequence of events this 749 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,240 time around was a little different. Mr. Sof. 750 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:24,600 Yes. Thank you. Um, when this happened, um, state regulators seemingly almost tried to 751 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:33,800 downplay the freeze and its impacts by saying it was unprecedented. Uh, it wasn't unprecedented 752 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:40,360 as city manager just pointed out, these things happen and are happening, happening more frequently 753 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,840 just as spring is getting here earlier. All sorts of strange things are happening with 754 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:52,280 the climate. And I think anything that we can do to prepare for the worst and hope for 755 01:05:52,280 --> 01:06:02,120 the best is what we should do. And, um, that's just as a general comment. I mean, uh, rather 756 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:07,800 than, I feel that rather than looking for reasons not to do things, we should look for 757 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:18,080 reasons in some cases to definitely do things based upon scientific data. Thank you. 758 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:24,460 Thank you, Mr. Sof. Other questions for staff? Um, I've got just one kind of along the lines 759 01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:31,000 of what Ed was just talking about. Um, financially, it may not be the most feasible thing, but 760 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:38,200 from a regulatory standpoint, are we, um, we have a good neighbor with co-serve, uh, 761 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:44,640 they, they service our Ray Roberts plant usually without incident. Um, but you know, if that 762 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,640 had been an in-house thing, if DME had service that plant, then maybe we would have known 763 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:56,280 which, which feeder, which circuit our own water plant was on. Um, is it, uh, is it feasible 764 01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:02,680 not necessarily for financial standpoint, but from a, uh, a technological and a technical 765 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:09,080 and regulatory standpoint, is it feasible and possible to, uh, power the Ray Roberts 766 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:14,880 water plant from DME or some measure of backup besides just the generators? 767 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:21,760 Uh, yes, sir. It is, uh, we could run a line up there. It is a dual-serve area and we could 768 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:29,120 run a line up there. It's just cost prohibitive. And, uh, I know as we talk about reliability 769 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:36,080 of our water system, it seems a little ironic to talk about cost, um, where the difference 770 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:42,480 might've been, uh, uh, that we were able to run the plant a little bit better, but, um, 771 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,920 it's very expensive. I can't remember the exact mileage to run it up there, but it's 772 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:56,800 several million dollars, uh, to run a service up there. And again, our, our, our, uh, co-serve 773 01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:01,840 itself has been very cooperative since the storm. And in fact, during the middle of the 774 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:08,400 storm, uh, rotated, took us off the rotation and put us on a critical service. So we feel 775 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:14,800 pretty good that the, uh, the service that we're getting for that facility, uh, is improving. 776 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,880 And as I mentioned, we will upgrade, uh, as part of the regulatory upgrade program, we'll 777 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:28,200 be looking at integrating, uh, relays and sensor, sensing equipment into our, into our 778 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:33,480 generators so that they will automatically come online and we shouldn't see the kind 779 01:08:33,480 --> 01:08:40,000 of interruption that, that, uh, Preetam mentioned requires us to go out and re-recheck all the 780 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:45,520 equipment. We can put some technology in place that will enable that, that generator to start 781 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:50,820 up automatically due to power quality issues. Um, that will, that will go a long way to 782 01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:53,740 improving the reliability of the facility. 783 01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:59,580 Much cheaper to soup up the generators than to run in millions of dollars worth of power 784 01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:03,980 lines. And I imagine that's probably, that's a dual service area. I'm sure that's an analysis 785 01:09:03,980 --> 01:09:08,880 we did when we built that plant as well, why we have co-serve power out there. Uh, Mr. 786 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,160 Sheik. 787 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,280 Just one quick thing, and I'll continue to praise staff on the job that they did and 788 01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:21,400 getting people out and getting out there, um, keeping us, keeping us alive. I really appreciate 789 01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:28,040 it. Um, one recommendation we, there was a plan about 15, 20 years ago at the CFDN where 790 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:35,160 they outreached the various departments to business community for emergency help. Um, 791 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:40,320 I suggest that you look into that as well. I think there's some help to be had there. 792 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:46,320 Um, I think a lot of businesses, what I'm involved with, when it's freezes outside, 793 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:51,960 we don't do a lot. So all we can do is help with the equipment that we have. And I think 794 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:57,640 there's a lot of other businesses out there that can contribute. That was it. 795 01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:06,400 That's a great point, Bill. Thank you. Other questions for staff? Go ahead, Councilmember 796 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,400 Johnson. 797 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:14,160 We were able to get those water mains repaired and up and running within, uh, a day or that 798 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:21,440 day or so. I recognize the fact that we have water mains that break summer and winter. 799 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:25,640 So I guess that there is really going to not be a real solution to whether or not they 800 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:31,640 break or not. But I think that the most important really is that we get them up and running 801 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,760 as quickly as possible so that people don't have to go without water and as well as the 802 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:43,200 streets that are going to be torn up because of that. So were we able to work within that 803 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:49,960 week or in that few days of getting those that were broken during that time up and running? 804 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,760 Correct. We, we were able to get a majority of them up and running. There were a couple 805 01:10:54,760 --> 01:11:03,040 that were isolated that had some additional issues. But as a result of that isolation, 806 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:08,800 the service was not impacted to the residents. We were able to circulate or bypass those 807 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:16,600 areas and then come back and do the repairs. But yes, majority of them were repaired within 808 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:21,240 acceptable time limits. This is where we had some extra help from our wastewater folks 809 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:29,840 coming in and helping us to address them quickly. 810 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:36,840 Any other questions on this agenda item? Very good. Seeing none, I want to echo Mr. Cheek 811 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:42,720 and thanks staff for their excellent response during this event. A million things happening 812 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:50,440 at once. Each next step was uncertain. And, and board member DaVinci's got found the applause 813 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:56,760 button there on zoom. So just a quick program note, as we close out, we do have the council 814 01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:02,040 luncheon coming up. We're going to start that at 1220 for council members. It's a different 815 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,200 zoom link. It's a different web link for those following along at home. And we'll start that 816 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:12,360 at 1220. So at this time, I will conclude the Denton city council meeting and Mr. Cheek 817 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:18,120 and we'll stand adjourned with the BUB. Thanks, y'all. Thank you.