1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,240 Okay, good morning, everybody. This is the regularly scheduled monthly meeting of the 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:18,840 Board of Ethics about 1001, and we'll begin. We'll just jump right into it. And the first 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:28,680 item for consideration is receive nominations and hold an election for chair and vice chair. 4 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:34,680 And I think I might ask Trayor Madison how it works. I guess it's we do chair first and 5 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:44,580 then move on to vice chair. Okay. All right. So I will open up, open up to nominations. 6 00:00:44,580 --> 00:01:02,340 I nominate you. Okay. All right. Is there any discussion? Not seeing any un-muting 7 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:11,140 or hands. So I guess I'll take a vote on the motion for me to continue as chair. And by 8 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:16,480 the way, so I was elected in the middle of 2019 and then 2020 came when we would usually 9 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,560 have elections in the beginning of the year, but COVID happened. And then we were going 10 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:27,800 to have elections in January, but we were waiting for all the, all the appointments. 11 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,680 And so that's why we're now in March. I promise I'm not like trying to like stronghold the 12 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,920 power if anybody else wants it. But I just wanted to make that clear that I, you know, 13 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,040 that's why we're here. The nomination, we've only had one election in almost, you know, 14 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:54,080 two years or so. Anyway, I will hold a vote and starting with Bob. Aye. Ronnie. Aye. Rob. 15 00:01:54,080 --> 00:02:05,320 Thumbs up. Patricia. Aye. Annetta. I think she said aye, but you're muted. You just give 16 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:17,840 a thumbs up or a aye. Okay. Oh, you unmuted and unmuted again. Annetta, unmuted and then 17 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:27,960 muted again. And we didn't hear a vote. Sorry. Aye. Okay. All right. So we got that. I'll 18 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,880 just abstain. I feel weird voting for myself, but the motion passes. Laura, I forgot our 19 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:40,960 newest member. Oh, I'm sorry. Dustin, our newest member. Aye. Well, wow. Still voted 20 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:47,960 for me, even though I forgot about you. Thanks. Okay. So I think, I think the, the motion 21 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:55,960 passes and I guess I'll, I'll be chair until next year after appointment when we'll have 22 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:03,640 another election. And now I'll ask for nominations for vice chair. I know last year we had Sharla 23 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:07,560 I don't know if I'll be nominating her again. Like I think she does a good job, but I know 24 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,000 that she has, you know, during the day meetings are hard, I believe because of her work. And 25 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:19,040 I understand I've missed a couple over COVID because of work meetings. So I'll open up 26 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:28,120 the floor for nominations for vice chair. I would like to nominate, to renominate Sharla 27 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:35,160 if she's, if she would be open to it. I guess I'm not sure. Are there any rules Madison 28 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:43,560 or Trey about someone that's not currently present being nominated? I'm not aware of 29 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,760 a rule that says that they have to be present to be nominated. So long as they're a full 30 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,600 member of the board. Yeah. I've always been told if you're not there, get ready. That's 31 00:03:52,600 --> 00:04:01,320 what I was thinking. Yeah. And I second the motion. Okay. So the motion, we have a motion, 32 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,320 we have a second. I'll say, I mean, I think she does a good job. My only concern is making 33 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,400 meetings, but I think, honestly, I think a lot of us have missed, you know, I don't know 34 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,480 if any of us have made it every single meeting during COVID just because it is during the 35 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,560 day. And I think most of us, it's not all of us still work. Madison, did you raise your 36 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,560 hand? Yeah. I was just going to say if you do elect Sharla and she does not want to 37 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,400 continue, we could just, if she lets us know that, then we could just have another election 38 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,760 next meeting if need be. Okay. That sounds like a plan. Is there any more discussion 39 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:38,800 on Sharla? And I'll just chime in that, right. If somebody were here, they could always decline 40 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,160 the nomination. She's not here to decline the nomination, but she could always not accept 41 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:49,920 it later and we can bring it back. Okay. Thank you, Trey. And thank you, Madison. Any more 42 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:56,600 discussion or should we move to voting? Not seeing anybody jump in. All right. We'll move 43 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:08,480 to voting. Bob? Aye. And myself, Laura Tomlin, I vote aye. Ronnie? Aye. Rob? Yes. Dustin? 44 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:19,480 Aye. Patricia? Aye. And Annetta? Aye. Okay. So we have a vice chair elected. And like 45 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,740 they said, if she doesn't want it, we'll just hold another vote next meeting. Okay. Next 46 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:34,760 on the agenda is the discussion about, I'm going to share my screen real quick. Discussion 47 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:49,080 about the 2021 meeting schedule. So in the past, we've had meetings the last Thursday 48 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,680 of every month. And before COVID, we would have them, I think about 5, 5.30 at night. 49 00:05:53,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Well, now we have to have them between 9 a.m. and 3 for the start time and any day except 50 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:07,040 Tuesday. I would say we just keep going with the last Thursday of the month. And I would, 51 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:13,120 oh, go ahead, Madison. I just, as a point of order on there, on where it says future 52 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:18,320 meeting dates, June 25th, it should be June 24th. That would be the last Thursday. It's 53 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:28,000 just a typo. Oh, okay. Thank you. As I was saying, I, you know, I don't, I guess any 54 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,960 days is probably, you know, I would guess probably not Fridays are good, but any other 55 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,240 day seems okay. I would say start at three would probably be best for me. I'm not sure 56 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,420 about everybody else who has a job, but the later in the day is probably the more likely 57 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:50,640 I'll be able to make the meeting. Is there, does anybody have any thoughts about what 58 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:57,880 days and what times to have meetings? For me, mornings are a lot better. I, I work 59 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:03,920 till nine at night. So three is when things start heating up. But if it's better for everybody 60 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:13,120 else, I'll, I can find a way to make it work. Well, I like the Thursday at three o'clock. 61 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:27,120 Three is good for me. Let's see. Rob or Dustin, Patricia, do you all have thoughts? That works 62 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:36,160 for me. My, I, my schedule is very flexible, so I can do three or any, just about any time. 63 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,440 Yeah. Madison, we can try to get the, them on three at three o'clock as, as much, sorry, 64 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,480 as best as possible. Sometimes there are meetings scheduled way out there that I've already 65 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:55,160 taken our date or our time. So we'll definitely let you know, obviously what time it is before 66 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:01,360 it's that day. But yeah, we can definitely shoot for three as much as possible. I think 67 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:07,680 the other thing to note is at some point the city is going to be opening back up. So we 68 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:14,000 may be able to go back to in-person meetings in the evening. We just don't really know 69 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,740 what time at this point, we're just not really sure how that will work and when that will 70 00:08:18,740 --> 00:08:29,440 start happening. So that's, that's kind of where we're at right now. Okay. And Rob, did 71 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:36,320 you have any thoughts on timings of meetings? No, I'm fine with, I'm flexible, just like 72 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Patricia, just, and it'll work. And it sounds like we're going to kind of put it in pencil 73 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,840 and then possibly have to change it around anyway. But for right now, I'm happy with 74 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:53,000 what, what the group thinks. I think more people said three works than the morning. 75 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,040 So I would say, I don't know if we need a vote on this. I think this is just maybe guidance. 76 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,760 So I would say we try to do like the last Thursday at three, and then it'll kind of 77 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:08,680 be like over the last year. If that changes, we'll just email everybody, you know, as soon 78 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:14,400 as it advances, as you know, Madison. Yes, Madison. I was just going to say, is it more 79 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,480 of a priority for it to be at three than on the last Thursday? Because if we know that 80 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,280 three o'clock is taken for the last Thursday, we could potentially look at a Thursday before 81 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:31,280 or the Thursday after and see if three is available. That time is available. It just 82 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:37,360 depends on what y'all would prefer a regular date or regular time. 83 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,760 I guess, I mean, I guess I would kind of go toward a regular date, so I just know what 84 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,960 day it's coming. But for me personally, as an attorney or as a prosecutor, I mean, if 85 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,880 I have a hearing or something that they usually don't ask me the prosecutor. So, you know, 86 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,640 if I can't make it, I'm just not going to be able to make it. And I'm not going to know 87 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:06,520 until maybe a week in advance. You know, I guess maybe we'll just just stay flexible, 88 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,600 Madison, and we'll just, you know, we could even send out it, you could even send out 89 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,600 an email, if it can't be at Thursday at three, if there's a lot of different choices, and 90 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,120 we're not sure what will be best, we could just send out an email and stay flexible, 91 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:24,920 especially, you know, until in-person meetings resume, which, you know, who knows, maybe 92 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:30,720 this year. Any more thoughts on that from anyone? 93 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:39,320 Mine is the same, flexible, because, you know, I work at a funeral home, so I'm not always 94 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:45,400 meeting available day or night. So I just, whenever we have it, I can make it, I can 95 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:56,360 make it. So three is fine as just as any day, or 10. 96 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Yeah. Any more thoughts on that? I don't see any. So as long as there's not, we'll move 97 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:16,240 on to the approval of minutes for the last two meetings. We're both on February 25th. 98 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:23,200 There was a special panel meeting in the morning over advisory question by Paul Metzmulser. 99 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,760 And then we had our regular meeting at three, which I don't remember if it was work or the 100 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:34,560 contract business going on at my house, but I know I was very late for it, and I apologize 101 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:37,340 for that. So I read through those. I didn't see any 102 00:11:37,340 --> 00:11:41,240 problems. Are there any more? Did anybody have anything to say about those minutes? 103 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:49,360 Anything to alert Madison to? Okay. Is there a motion to accept those minutes 104 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,080 from both of those meetings? I can move approval to the meeting, the regular 105 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,640 meeting, but I wasn't at the hearing. So I think somebody who was there should move approval 106 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,960 for that. Okay. So Neta has moved approval for the regular 107 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,680 meeting. Is there a second? A second. 108 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,840 Ronnie second. So we'll vote on the regular meeting. 109 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,680 Bob? Aye. 110 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:17,320 Myself, Laura, aye. Ronnie? 111 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,320 Yes. Rob? 112 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,320 Yes. Dustin? 113 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,320 Aye. Patricia? 114 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,320 Aye. And Neta? 115 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Aye. Okay. And then, yes, Ronson. 116 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,160 Aye. I don't believe that anybody that was on the panel is actually in today's meeting. 117 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,680 Okay. I think it was Dawn, Debra, and Ron. 118 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:44,400 Oh, that's right. It was. I think we can, I mean, it was sent, go ahead, Trey. 119 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,880 Yeah. I was just going to say, it works that you're taking them up separately. I mean, 120 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:54,020 that makes a clean record, and it's great. Just under the rules of order, your rules 121 00:12:54,020 --> 00:13:01,080 of procedure, you do not have to have been at the meeting to approve either move or vote 122 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,480 on the approval of the official minutes of the group. 123 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:11,440 Then I'll go ahead and amend my thing to say approval for both, and then maybe we should 124 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,800 revote. No, I think it's okay that we've already taken 125 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:21,800 the vote for the regular, and we'll just take up the special one as a separate vote. 126 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:27,040 I move approval for that. Okay, so Neda moves for approval of the special 127 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,880 panel meeting minutes. Is there a second? Second. 128 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,680 Bob is seconded, and we'll vote on that. Bob? 129 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:40,520 Aye. Myself, Laura, aye. Ronnie? 130 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,480 Yes. Rob, are you able to vote? 131 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Yes, Mamma, yes. Sorry. Okay. And Dustin? 132 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,800 Aye. Patricia? 133 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,320 Aye. And Annette? 134 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,440 Aye. Okay, so both of those minutes have been 135 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:11,960 passed, and we'll move on to the last agenda item, and that's the Receiver Report, Hold 136 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:19,960 a Discussion, and Give Staff Direction Regarding Proposed Ethics Complaint Process Packet, 137 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:26,640 and so now we have the narrative with the step-by-step of filing a complaint and in 138 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,720 the process of a complaint in a hearing. We have the flowchart that's kind of more of 139 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:39,760 a visual picture of the complaint process, and then there's also a timeline. Madison, 140 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,720 did you want to talk about any changes from the last meeting to now? 141 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Yeah, I'll just say, just to make some things clear, the numbers in the narrative are supposed 142 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:56,560 to match up to the numbers on the flowchart. Since there was more detail in the narrative 143 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:03,120 and they correspond, some of the boxes on the flowchart are not quite as detailed anymore, 144 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,840 or the flowcharts have been changed slightly just to make them easier to kind of go back 145 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:16,480 and forth and make the flowchart a little bit easier to read. The timeline really hasn't 146 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:28,320 changed. It wasn't changed substantively, and so I think that's basically it, and just 147 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:34,000 for Dustin, this is a packet that's really supposed to help both board members and members 148 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:41,720 of the public understand the ethics complaint process if they want to. So, ordinance can 149 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,280 be hard to read sometimes. I read through this and I thought it was 150 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,000 well done, and I was able to follow it, and I'm pretty new to this, so it was helpful. 151 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,280 Excellent. Good test. Yeah, I want to say, Madison, I know you put 152 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:03,520 a ton of work into this, and I think for those who are complaining, it'll be a lot more clear 153 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:10,840 what the process is. So, I think that's going to help a lot. 154 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Yeah, with all three of these, I don't think anybody can complain because whether you're 155 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,920 better at reading or visualization or a chart, it's got everything. 156 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:32,000 I think the only things that I saw in there were in the narrative on section 17C. I think 157 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:43,200 that's supposed to be proceed to step 19, and then in the last paragraph of step 18, 158 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,100 I think the second to last sentence should be proceed to step 21. 159 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:52,840 Yes, we'll make those corrections. Laura had brought those up in an email as well, and 160 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,760 then I did also, when I was making the changes that Laura previously brought up, basically 161 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,560 those two sentences at the end of step 18 in the last paragraph, if sanctions are imposed, 162 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:09,520 dot, dot, dot, I added those to the end of step 19 as well, because they kind of should 163 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:19,120 be going to the same places. Right, okay. 164 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:24,160 I guess for me, are there any other changes that anybody feels should be made, or any 165 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,440 further clarification? Rob? 166 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:37,000 I'd like to ask, I was on the preliminary assessment chart, flow chart. Number seven, 167 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:43,600 could the ethics complaint be frivolous? If it was a no, it would be dismissed. If it 168 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:50,400 was a yes, it would go to the evidentiary hearing process. I wasn't at the last meeting, 169 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,960 so would that not be flipped the other way, in that if it could be frivolous, wouldn't 170 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:04,600 it go to the hearing, and if it's not frivolous, it would be dismissed, or did I miss something? 171 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:12,800 So according to the rules of procedure, the preliminary assessment panel, if they believe 172 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:18,800 that the ethics complaint might be frivolous, they can recommend that it go to a full hearing. 173 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:27,720 I guess maybe this will answer it, Rob. So we're only asking whether it's frivolous 174 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:35,120 after we've found that it's not actionable. So it's not actionable already, and then if 175 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:39,920 it's not frivolous, it's dismissed, and if it's frivolous, or if we think it might be 176 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:45,240 frivolous, is when it goes to evidentiary hearing about whether it was frivolous. 177 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,680 Does that make sense? Yeah, I guess the word frivolous just seems 178 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:55,160 like to me as in why are we even talking about it? I don't see it in a legal term, but that's 179 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,140 fine. That's why I was asking that question. Yeah, frivolous is a specifically defined 180 00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:03,600 term in the ethics ordinance, which is why that's what's used here. 181 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,440 Yeah. Well, that's what my grandfather used to call me, and so that's why I thought I 182 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:18,400 just missed it as being frivolous. Okay. Thank you. 183 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,160 Any more questions? For our new member, I think this might be the third meeting. I think 184 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:29,040 every meeting this year we've talked about these charts, at least in part, to get them 185 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:34,880 to where they're understandable and correct under the code. 186 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:58,320 Okay, so as far as if we approve these today, I would like some direction just on what to 187 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,080 do with them. My recommendation would be obviously put them on the board's website so that anybody 188 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:11,640 can view them. I would also think that perhaps the board would want this packet sent to complainants 189 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:19,360 once they file a complaint. Originally, one of the things that we had discussed was when 190 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:27,920 we just had the flowchart was attaching the flowchart to any meetings for complaints, 191 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,280 so we would attach the correct flowchart. If we had a preliminary assessment, the preliminary 192 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:39,320 assessment flowchart would also be included in that backup. So my question is just do 193 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,480 you want those things to happen? Is that the direction you'd like to give if you approve 194 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:50,520 these today, or is there something else you'd want them to do basically? 195 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,600 I would think we'd put them on the website and send them to complain, and that might 196 00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:02,200 help. Sometimes we've gotten complaints, and I think it might help them, especially if 197 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,640 their complaint is maybe found baseless or not administratively complete. It'll help 198 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:15,600 them to be able to refile it if they wish. It might help them understand that it's going 199 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:24,160 to be found baseless, so they shouldn't even complain. So I think it helps explain to them 200 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:37,380 what this code is like. I hope I'm saying that nicely enough. 201 00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:48,760 I have a question. Should this go to the council for any kind of a stamp of approval? 202 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:54,600 I don't think it has to, if you would like it to. 203 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,880 Not necessarily. We'll give it another three meetings. 204 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:05,320 Yeah, I would say this is kind of an internal thing. It's not anything new. It's just a 205 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,320 kind of reorganization. 206 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,320 You haven't changed anything. 207 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:18,600 All right. Is there any more thoughts? I can look at the agenda information sheet. Do we 208 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:25,060 need an official vote to approve these and put them on the website, or do we just kind 209 00:22:25,060 --> 00:22:30,040 of give you direction that they're approved and to put them on the website? 210 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:35,840 You do not need an official vote, just direction to staff to move ahead. 211 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:53,580 Okay. Is there anybody against approving these, this packet? Okay. 212 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:58,880 So the direction I'm hearing is take the packet as it is, as we talked about the amendments 213 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:04,320 to it, the couple of little things, and post them on the city's website so that anyone 214 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,080 can view them on the Board of Ethics webpage. 215 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:15,080 And then also to, if the complaint is submitted, send the packet to the complainant at the 216 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,440 beginning of the process. 217 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,720 And that's the direction I've heard so far. Is there anything else? Do you want me to 218 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,680 send it to the respondent? Do you want me to include some of this information at meetings 219 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:37,120 in the future? I don't know. You could think of something else, I suppose. 220 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:42,000 I guess, you know, I would say, I don't know how everybody else feels. Now that the respondent 221 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:49,600 gets the complaint, I would say go ahead and send it to them. You know, why not? And as 222 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:55,720 far as the board, you know, especially like, you know, as year to year, since there's turnover, 223 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:01,200 you might just either include it or include just a link to where it is on the website 224 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:10,880 in, in packets for when we have either, you know, one of the hearings or preliminary hearings 225 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,880 that are, that are explained in the packet. 226 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:31,200 I agree. Yes. I think I'm seeing agreement. Anybody have any, anything else to say regarding 227 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,440 the packet and where it's posted when it's sent out? 228 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:46,200 I think it's a big step forward from what we had. So I think it's good. 229 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:53,440 Okay. I'm not seeing anybody else jumping up. So I think, and is that everything you 230 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,680 need from this agenda item, Madison? Yeah, I think so. Thank you all for working 231 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,840 on this with me. I really appreciate it. I hope it will be helpful to y'all and to interested 232 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,200 members of the public. All right. Well, that went a lot quicker than 233 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,560 last time, I think. So, you know, maybe we should have added another agenda item, but 234 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,240 I know when me and Madison are kind of discussing items, we don't want to, you know, make it 235 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,840 to where we don't, you know, we don't get through half the items. So today we, we put 236 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:30,920 two little things because it's 1026 and we're out of items. So I would say for next meeting, 237 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:37,240 I know Madison kind of has a list of things that that we need to talk about, but and Madison, 238 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,160 you can jump in. Do you want people to email you with any other ideas like a week, 10 days? 239 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,640 What do you need before the next meeting? Yeah, typically we have been asking for any 240 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:55,320 items that the board would like to discuss the, like the Wednesday, the week before the 241 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,200 meeting. So if our next meeting is on the 29th of April, the 21st is when we would want 242 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:07,240 items by. I do have a list. We were, we were also kind of just waiting to see where the 243 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:13,040 election went and to make sure we had everybody who was new to the board on. So would you 244 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:19,120 like me to send out that list to see if there are items that people, you know, people would 245 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:24,800 like to prioritize them or? Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Just everybody do not 246 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,840 reply all cause we don't want to get, we don't want to, you know, there's the open meetings 247 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:37,400 act and we don't want to go afoul of that. I'll blank copy everyone. Okay, great. Yeah, 248 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:43,640 I think that would be a good idea so that we can gauge, you know, what the board finds 249 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,480 most important of the issues we've already come up with. And you know, actually Madison, 250 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:55,480 if, if you want, maybe we could, you could, we could push the deadline for new items to 251 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,600 discuss earlier so that you can include just everything everybody's thinking about and 252 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,280 we can prioritize what to talk about at the next meeting. I think that's a great idea. 253 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:13,000 What if we, let's see, give everybody at least a couple of weeks to get items in. What if 254 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:22,680 we get the items by the ninth Friday, the ninth of April? That's basically two weeks 255 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:29,620 from today. That gives me a week to kind of take it all in and organize it into a list 256 00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:34,580 and then send it out that Monday on the 12th and then y'all can have a week to respond 257 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:39,040 and that way we have enough time to get the agenda together. Does that sound good to everyone? 258 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,520 That sounds good. Yes, Rob. There was, make sure that I understand that there would be 259 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:50,320 new items and then items that we had brought up that were going to be put on hold until 260 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,280 after the council voted the new members in and such. Those particular items, will they 261 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:02,600 be presented at that time as well, Madison? Yes. So once, once we have any new items that 262 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,600 people would like, I'll send out basically a list of this is all the items that people 263 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,240 have brought up for discussion. That will include any new items and the old items that 264 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:17,560 we've already discussed and then we'll prioritize those basically to, I'll send out that and 265 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,880 the council can prior, sorry, the board will prioritize them and then we can kind of go 266 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,840 from there on the agenda. Obviously we don't want to talk about everything at once because 267 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:32,040 we have too many hours long of a meeting so. I had submitted, if you remember, a couple 268 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:38,360 of items that, and we, you mentioned, wanted to wait until after the new council members 269 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,200 in and such, which was fun. I just want to make sure those weren't all through the cracks. 270 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:50,440 No, they'll be included on that list for priorities. Thank you. Okay. If there's, is there anything 271 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:57,640 else from anyone for this meeting or, okay. All right. I'm not seeing anybody jump up. 272 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:04,640 So I guess it is 1030 unless Madison or Trey to have anything to say. We will adjourn this 273 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,360 meeting and I thank everybody for their time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.