WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.420 Thank you and good afternoon, everybody. The first thing I want to make note of is that 00:00:06.420 --> 00:00:15.580 we do have a quorum of five of us here. So it is lawfully met. This is our March 15th 00:00:15.580 --> 00:00:20.580 regularly scheduled meeting. Why don't we start out today with the Pledge of Allegiance 00:00:20.580 --> 00:00:29.380 to the U.S. flag. Altogether, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America 00:00:29.380 --> 00:00:37.500 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:48.040 and justice for all. Next up, the Texas Pledge. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance 00:00:48.040 --> 00:00:53.720 to the Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:53.720 --> 00:00:59.300 All right. Thanks, everybody. I think we have a couple of things we need to get to today. 00:00:59.300 --> 00:01:08.780 And first up on our agenda is HLC 21-012, which is to have an introduction of our new 00:01:08.780 --> 00:01:13.920 Historic Landmark Preservation Officer. And I will turn that to Ron. 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:20.060 Great. Welcome, everyone. I'm happy to announce that our Historic Preservation Officer, Cameron 00:01:20.060 --> 00:01:26.660 Robertson, who's here, joined us last month. She's already got started on a number of items, 00:01:26.660 --> 00:01:30.340 so I won't steal her thunder. So I'm just going to turn it over to Cameron and have 00:01:30.340 --> 00:01:37.060 herself introduce herself. Thanks, Ron. So good afternoon, everyone. 00:01:37.060 --> 00:01:42.860 I'm excited to finally meet some of you. So like Roy said, I just wanted to start off 00:01:42.860 --> 00:01:50.180 with a short introduction, and then we can get into our next agenda item. So as you all 00:01:50.180 --> 00:01:56.980 know, my name is Cameron Robertson, and I'm the new HPO. I'm originally from Dallas, Texas, 00:01:56.980 --> 00:02:03.340 and I've been on the East Coast for the 12 years prior to coming to Denton. I originally 00:02:03.340 --> 00:02:10.060 worked as a civil engineer, so that's my background. I went to George Washington University, and 00:02:10.060 --> 00:02:16.020 I practiced civil engineering for two years at the city of Erie, Pennsylvania, where I 00:02:16.020 --> 00:02:21.700 was also involved with Preservation Erie, which is a nonprofit involved with smart urban 00:02:21.700 --> 00:02:30.380 design and historic preservation policy. After two years of working in Erie, I decided to 00:02:30.380 --> 00:02:39.060 pursue a dual master's at Columbia University in urban planning and historic preservation. 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:48.460 I was in that program from 2014 to 2017. During that time, I worked on multiple publications 00:02:48.460 --> 00:02:54.260 related to preservation and planning. One of those opportunities was working for the 00:02:54.260 --> 00:03:02.420 World Monuments Fund in Lalibela, Ethiopia, which was really a wonderful opportunity focusing 00:03:02.420 --> 00:03:09.820 on the future development in and around the World Heritage Site, the Rockhune Churches. 00:03:09.820 --> 00:03:16.700 Another project I worked on while in grad school is I worked on my thesis or my dissertation. 00:03:16.700 --> 00:03:22.140 That was focused around preservation policy in arts and cultural districts, and my case 00:03:22.140 --> 00:03:31.500 study was based in the River North Arts District in Denver, Colorado. So after doing that for 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:38.220 three years, I ended up working for AKRF, which is an environmental consulting group 00:03:38.220 --> 00:03:44.140 in New York City, working on city environmental quality review and state environmental quality 00:03:44.140 --> 00:03:51.420 reviews. One of my favorite projects during that time was I worked on a four-year project, 00:03:51.420 --> 00:03:57.580 large-scale survey, working at the National Register level, where we looked at the Hudson 00:03:57.580 --> 00:04:05.940 River Valley, as well as Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn, multiple of those counties, and 00:04:05.940 --> 00:04:11.780 we looked in the floodplain area for historic resources. So like I said, that was a four-year 00:04:11.780 --> 00:04:20.740 process, large-scale survey. We ended up recommending over 25 historic districts. We found over 00:04:20.740 --> 00:04:28.260 2,000 resources, so that by far was one of my favorite projects. But after doing New 00:04:28.260 --> 00:04:34.380 York for six years, I decided I really wanted to come back to my home state, and I was able 00:04:34.380 --> 00:04:40.820 to find the opportunity to work with Denton, and I'm really excited to be here, and if 00:04:40.820 --> 00:04:46.500 you guys have any questions, that's my introduction. 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:57.140 Well, we're a silent bunch today so far. So the Columbia University was actually on Manhattan, 00:04:57.140 --> 00:04:58.140 right? 00:04:58.140 --> 00:05:00.100 Yes, it's in Harlem. 00:05:00.100 --> 00:05:07.260 Yeah, I've walked by there, but obviously spent quite a bit of time there on Manhattan 00:05:07.260 --> 00:05:14.500 and various trips. Okay, well, why don't we, I think you're also our next agenda item, 00:05:14.500 --> 00:05:22.260 which is HLC 21-021 odd number, so what? Ron, should Cameron just blaze into that one? 00:05:22.260 --> 00:05:23.780 Yeah, she sincerely can. 00:05:23.780 --> 00:05:24.780 You have the floor. 00:05:24.780 --> 00:05:45.540 Okay, I'm going to share my screen. Can everyone see my screen? Okay. Let me get into slideshows. 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:52.140 So for today's agenda item, I wanted us to discuss the THC CLG requirements and have 00:05:52.140 --> 00:05:58.780 a discussion about these requirements. So as you can see, and as I'm sure you saw on the 00:05:58.780 --> 00:06:07.420 agenda, is that there are 11 requirements required for cities who have CLG. So as you 00:06:07.420 --> 00:06:13.140 can see on the presentation, we have Adopt and Maintain and Historic Preservation Ordinance, 00:06:13.140 --> 00:06:19.180 which is, I consider us to be ongoing. We have the HPO and HLC, which you can see at 00:06:19.180 --> 00:06:26.300 the bottom here, which I believe obviously we've met. We have requirement four, which 00:06:26.300 --> 00:06:32.820 is the Enforcement of HP Ordinance, which is considered to be ongoing as well, as well 00:06:32.820 --> 00:06:42.500 as we have, we adopted the Secretary of Interior standards. But I kind of want to focus on 00:06:42.500 --> 00:06:51.820 what requirements six, seven, eight, and 10. As you can see, public participation. Obviously 00:06:51.820 --> 00:06:57.980 I'm new here. I'm not sure what has been done in the past, but just from conversations and 00:06:57.980 --> 00:07:03.540 just some of my own research, I feel like that's one of the things that we really need 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:11.140 to focus on as an HLC and HPO is getting that public participation, as well as the survey 00:07:11.140 --> 00:07:17.420 and inventory system. We do have past surveys, and we do have that inventory system, but 00:07:17.420 --> 00:07:25.140 it's not being necessarily up kept. So that's something I would like to discuss as well. 00:07:25.140 --> 00:07:31.860 Also in terms of requirement eight, which is the National Register Nomination Review, 00:07:31.860 --> 00:07:38.540 I know we have a few nominations or National Register districts that just came on board 00:07:38.540 --> 00:07:44.860 that have actually been designated within Denton. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure 00:07:44.860 --> 00:07:51.660 if HLC was involved with that review. So I believe that's something that we need to make 00:07:51.660 --> 00:08:01.660 sure that we, HLC and myself as HPO, become involved in that process. Also, as you can 00:08:01.660 --> 00:08:14.580 see, we have the THC monitoring, which I believe we're doing well. Then the HLC and HPO training. 00:08:14.580 --> 00:08:20.100 Once again, I'm not sure what was done in the past, but I believe this is something 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:25.240 we need to focus on, especially keeping people up to date with what's going on in the preservation 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:32.940 world today and continuing to the future. Then requirement 11 is the CLG Annual Report, 00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:40.340 which is ongoing, and I filled out this past February with Ron's assistance, but we seem 00:08:40.340 --> 00:08:50.300 to be good on that. So just some of the suggestions that I had for this was, as you can see on 00:08:50.300 --> 00:08:56.820 the right-hand side, I have it kind of in terms of level of priority, from high to low, 00:08:56.820 --> 00:09:02.660 but I believe all of these should be ongoing. The first, I think, is the most important 00:09:02.660 --> 00:09:09.980 is we really need rules of procedure. I think this would really assist us in guiding HLC 00:09:09.980 --> 00:09:17.460 operations, helping us administer the preservation plan, and I think that also leads kind of 00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:25.780 into the annual HLC work plan. So as I have an example on the slide, THC has a new preservation 00:09:25.780 --> 00:09:32.340 boot camp, so that would be great to implement each year into our annual HLC work plan. But 00:09:32.340 --> 00:09:38.540 prior to that, I really do believe that we need to start getting a really good inventory 00:09:38.540 --> 00:09:45.380 and survey system in place, because currently we're just working off of PDF documents, and 00:09:45.380 --> 00:09:51.660 I think that can be overly complicated, and I think if we had an ongoing system that we're 00:09:51.660 --> 00:09:59.020 continuously filling in with demolitions, alterations, and the like, I think that would 00:09:59.020 --> 00:10:06.540 be really important. And then my last point on the level of priority, but that should 00:10:06.540 --> 00:10:12.580 be ongoing, is definitely public outreach, and one example that I've already encountered 00:10:12.580 --> 00:10:21.140 a few times is I've had a few professionals reach out to me asking if the HPO or HLC had 00:10:21.140 --> 00:10:26.540 a list put together of historic preservation conscious professionals in terms of architects, 00:10:26.540 --> 00:10:34.340 home inspectors, real estate agents, so I really think that could be, as an example, 00:10:34.340 --> 00:10:43.420 that could be a good first step in our public outreach. But with that, I would love to open 00:10:43.420 --> 00:10:56.100 up a discussion with everyone. >> I guess I'll kind of start off, Mary Anderson. 00:10:56.100 --> 00:11:00.220 I live in the historic district. I think I'm the sole member that lives in the historic 00:11:00.220 --> 00:11:06.140 district, so that is my representation. So I speak for many, not all, of course, because 00:11:06.140 --> 00:11:11.100 the historic district has many landlords who don't give a rat's patootie about historic 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:18.780 preservation currently. So I think we need to raise their awareness of some of the benefits. 00:11:18.780 --> 00:11:24.180 I am a little concerned about the last item you mentioned about a list of people. Sounds 00:11:24.180 --> 00:11:29.460 like we're starting into Angie's list or what's the other guy's list, and I can see that it's 00:11:29.460 --> 00:11:35.260 going to cause a lot of, shall we say, discussions on who gets included, how do they get included, 00:11:35.260 --> 00:11:38.340 how are we going to vet them, are we going to be responsible for having vetted them when 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:42.980 somebody uses them and they aren't historically conscious? I think legally, this could be 00:11:42.980 --> 00:11:49.880 a real can of worms, and I worry about such a list from that person. I mean, I would love 00:11:49.880 --> 00:11:55.700 to have one, but people in the neighborhood talk, so we already know the name of the person 00:11:55.700 --> 00:12:01.860 you go to for a good painting that's more historically conscious, so I do worry about 00:12:01.860 --> 00:12:13.380 that list. Okay, thank you, Mary. I think you said public 00:12:13.380 --> 00:12:17.180 input and public information was one of the first things you talked about. What do you 00:12:17.180 --> 00:12:22.780 have in mind there? In terms of public input and participation, 00:12:22.780 --> 00:12:31.180 so my main focus is just drawing the community in. I think, for example, I haven't shared 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:37.740 what I'm hoping, but one of the things is I am currently in the works of putting together 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:45.700 an Instagram. I know some people don't necessarily see Instagram as being this huge platform that 00:12:45.700 --> 00:12:50.900 can draw all these people in, but it really can if it's utilized correctly. It can provide 00:12:50.900 --> 00:12:57.780 education. It can provide training. It can provide just everyday knowledge that someone 00:12:57.780 --> 00:13:05.340 might not have, and I believe that's one of the things coming in. I feel like there's 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:10.020 not a lot of younger generation participation. There's a lot of people who obviously live 00:13:10.020 --> 00:13:14.700 in the historic districts, which is amazing, but I think we need to reach past the historic 00:13:14.700 --> 00:13:21.320 districts and get that public participation. Like I said, for example, the Instagram, that's 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:29.820 one of the things I'm working on right now. Also, I'm starting to research our tax ordinances 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:36.860 just to see if those can be used past a certain point of just the historic districts itself, 00:13:36.860 --> 00:13:43.060 but that's still in the process. Those are two of my examples, I guess, of public participation 00:13:43.060 --> 00:13:47.620 and having people be more involved in the preservation process. 00:13:47.620 --> 00:13:48.620 Andrew? 00:13:48.620 --> 00:13:56.820 Hi there. Hey, I'm Angie Scrippling. I also live in a historic district, and I think it's 00:13:56.820 --> 00:14:02.980 interesting that you say reaching out to the community, and because one of the things that 00:14:02.980 --> 00:14:09.040 Mary talked about were landlords as well, but I believe that a lot of the properties 00:14:09.040 --> 00:14:17.180 around me that are rental properties are by management companies, and so I think getting 00:14:17.180 --> 00:14:23.860 management companies also involved, but the people that are living at these properties 00:14:23.860 --> 00:14:30.140 need to be involved. The people that are living in these, they are still our citizens here, 00:14:30.140 --> 00:14:35.620 and we need to do something to bring them in, so I'm really glad to hear that you just 00:14:35.620 --> 00:14:41.380 say as a community and not just property owners. I mean, I think property owners need to be 00:14:41.380 --> 00:14:49.140 included too, but the people living there do, so thanks for including that. 00:14:49.140 --> 00:14:55.540 The question I have is would you, but I understand that we want to target the city overall, but 00:14:55.540 --> 00:14:59.300 would you even be doing things like, oh, I don't know what to call it, national night 00:14:59.300 --> 00:15:05.980 out in historic districts where we're there and we have, I don't know, someone dressed 00:15:05.980 --> 00:15:09.980 up as Abraham Lincoln, or you know what I mean? In other words, things that are fun 00:15:09.980 --> 00:15:15.340 in the communities that we set up and not necessarily spend a lot of money or any money, 00:15:15.340 --> 00:15:20.260 but just start to emphasize that these historic neighborhoods in Denton are so much the soul 00:15:20.260 --> 00:15:25.540 of this town, but people are going to participate if it's something fun to do. 00:15:25.540 --> 00:15:32.940 No, I completely agree, Roy. That's one of the things I'm interested in as well. I really 00:15:32.940 --> 00:15:39.460 would love for us to all work together to put together a preservation month. That can 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:43.220 be the historic districts. It could be the larger community of Denton. It could be telling 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:50.340 history about different neighborhoods, about the downtown square. I believe there's so 00:15:50.340 --> 00:15:58.020 much opportunity that we have that we haven't maybe necessarily been able to grasp in the 00:15:58.020 --> 00:16:06.820 past, but I really feel that there's so many ways in a fun way to educate people about 00:16:06.820 --> 00:16:12.940 preservation and really get people involved and excited because preservation isn't so 00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:19.380 specific in terms of it's just a building. It's a culture. It's a community. It's that 00:16:19.380 --> 00:16:23.700 history of that community. It's a history of that culture. I think that's something 00:16:23.700 --> 00:16:28.260 we need to bring to the table and be able to share with our community. 00:16:28.260 --> 00:16:34.380 Cassandra? Will there be an opportunity to create maybe 00:16:34.380 --> 00:16:42.380 pamphlets or something electronically to send to the schools and maybe it be part of the 00:16:42.380 --> 00:16:48.220 curriculum somewhere within the program because the continuation of this is going to be based 00:16:48.220 --> 00:16:55.940 upon people behind us who know the importance and the history. It could be like if you do 00:16:55.940 --> 00:17:01.820 like a preservation week, maybe encourage the schools to have some type of presentation 00:17:01.820 --> 00:17:07.300 before that and maybe create an activity for the schools to get involved as well. 00:17:07.300 --> 00:17:13.820 I think that's a wonderful idea. I haven't thought yet to that next phase or stage, but 00:17:13.820 --> 00:17:20.980 I think that would be wonderful to have each school have some type of involvement with 00:17:20.980 --> 00:17:26.540 a preservation week or a class where they're able to learn about preservation. They're 00:17:26.540 --> 00:17:32.140 able to learn about their community in a different way besides just history class. I think that's 00:17:32.140 --> 00:17:35.500 a great recommendation, Cassandra. I've written that down. 00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:40.540 Yeah. Melody? If I miss somebody, just speak up. 00:17:40.540 --> 00:17:49.660 I'm Melody Cohode. I am the representative for the Denton County Historical Commission. 00:17:49.660 --> 00:17:58.460 We do, when we're not under a rural pandemic, we try to do a lot of community education 00:17:58.460 --> 00:18:06.660 and outreach and we do a lot of it at the historic park. Anywhere where we have a designation, 00:18:06.660 --> 00:18:21.100 it can be a house that has a historic marker, an historic place. I would suggest that piggybacking 00:18:21.100 --> 00:18:28.220 onto something rather than trying to reinvent the wheel again. Once you get your feet on 00:18:28.220 --> 00:18:36.980 the ground, the gals at the Office of History and Culture, they're wonderful. They would 00:18:36.980 --> 00:18:43.460 be a great resource for you. Thank you, Melody. That's helpful information. 00:18:43.460 --> 00:18:48.860 I've written that down as well. I had a question about that. You mentioned 00:18:48.860 --> 00:18:55.140 the Texas Historic Commission Boot Camp. Can you talk to us a little bit about that? Because 00:18:55.140 --> 00:19:01.620 a couple of years ago, there was something in St. Louis where several people went to 00:19:01.620 --> 00:19:07.660 a conference or something. I thought it was local. Maybe Ron, you can remember. I thought 00:19:07.660 --> 00:19:14.460 it was more in Texas. I thought it was inside of Texas. Ron, did you go? 00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:19.860 I didn't go. I know that Roman had some folks go, but that is certainly something that we 00:19:19.860 --> 00:19:27.740 can certainly continue to do. I think educating the Commission is an important thing. We want 00:19:27.740 --> 00:19:32.020 to make sure that there are opportunities, if there are opportunities, that the HLC can 00:19:32.020 --> 00:19:40.900 attend those training or conferences. That's okay. I think the boot camp isn't 00:19:40.900 --> 00:19:45.260 that online this year? Yes. That's what I was about to say. They added 00:19:45.260 --> 00:19:52.980 a 14 module training online. We just received an email about it. The CLGs just received 00:19:52.980 --> 00:20:00.300 an email about it, I believe, on Friday regarding the preservation boot camp. That will be available. 00:20:00.300 --> 00:20:06.940 You can take those classes. Then you're sent a certificate. They'll be aware that you've 00:20:06.940 --> 00:20:14.660 taken that course already. It's a great online resource. I can share that with you all. It's 00:20:14.660 --> 00:20:19.740 on the THC website. It's just their preservation boot camp. 00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:30.980 Okay. Is it really for historic landmark commissions around Texas or preservation officers or who? 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:38.060 It's for all CLGs. It's for anyone who is on a commission or an HPO. They get that continuing 00:20:38.060 --> 00:20:45.460 education so that they're able to be in good standing with THC. 00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:51.420 Cameron, I think Cassandra had a great idea. I'm going to say hello to you, Cassandra, 00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:58.020 because I've not met you face-to-face, though. Hello. She mentioned getting the schools involved. 00:20:58.020 --> 00:21:05.580 If we're thinking right now, just discussing things that we would like to really have happen. 00:21:05.580 --> 00:21:12.860 We have an ATC here in Ditten, where students are putting together media productions and 00:21:12.860 --> 00:21:21.260 things like that. Through this pandemic, I've been watching a lot about England and history 00:21:21.260 --> 00:21:27.780 there. Wouldn't it be great if we could get maybe students involved and do really neat 00:21:27.780 --> 00:21:33.500 productions and do it in segments, not maybe a long one, but segments of the history of 00:21:33.500 --> 00:21:39.100 Ditten and some of these buildings, and go downtown? Maybe we could get some involvement 00:21:39.100 --> 00:21:46.500 there with the schools even. That's kind of a long project and plan. I really like getting 00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:52.340 communities involved for smaller things that we can get going quicker. Maybe for a long 00:21:52.340 --> 00:21:57.940 term, that's something we could put in a plan. No, I think that's wonderful. I think the 00:21:57.940 --> 00:22:03.380 more involvement, especially with these younger generations, the better. I think it won't 00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:08.500 hurt us. It will only help us as a community to have them involved from an early age and 00:22:08.500 --> 00:22:13.220 moving forward, because it gets them excited. A lot of people don't know specifically about 00:22:13.220 --> 00:22:22.940 the preservation field. They don't understand it necessarily. I think that's great. 00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:28.940 Maybe even an exploration of the type of careers that are in this, because I've not heard of 00:22:28.940 --> 00:22:35.700 your position before, growing up and thinking, "Oh, I want to be a historic preservation 00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:44.340 officer." That wasn't anything that I would have thought to consider. Maybe also a segue, 00:22:44.340 --> 00:22:50.220 how you can segue into, because your background is impressive and you've done a lot. I'm just 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:55.980 not anything I would have thought about, so maybe look at a way we can do that. 00:22:55.980 --> 00:23:02.300 And Melody, part of what you all do is that information that's included or a booth that's 00:23:02.300 --> 00:23:07.940 set up during the Denton community market days down by those historic homes. Is anything 00:23:07.940 --> 00:23:15.620 happening there during market days that would draw people in to get information? 00:23:15.620 --> 00:23:21.620 I'm new to the commission, so I'm going to have a lot of questions that probably people 00:23:21.620 --> 00:23:24.820 already have addressed, so forgive me. 00:23:24.820 --> 00:23:31.220 The Bayless Selby House is open during the time of the community market, so people are 00:23:31.220 --> 00:23:46.660 able to go in. As events come up, like archeology or whatever, we do have events on the lawn 00:23:46.660 --> 00:23:58.180 outside of the house on Saturdays during market times, so it does get used to promote the 00:23:58.180 --> 00:24:04.140 museums in town during market days. Was that your question? 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:10.420 Yes, thank you. 00:24:10.420 --> 00:24:17.020 Okay, anything else, anyone? 00:24:17.020 --> 00:24:21.420 I'm almost there. There was public participation, survey, and inventory. I don't remember you 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:27.900 talking about that nomination review. Those two topics, I don't remember you saying too 00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:34.060 much about. Are they not prioritized? 00:24:34.060 --> 00:24:38.980 So I can use an example, but obviously, like I said during the presentation, just correct 00:24:38.980 --> 00:24:45.580 me if I'm wrong, but recently, we had a National Register designation and not a nomination 00:24:45.580 --> 00:24:52.580 within Denton called the West Denton Residential Historic District. From what I understand, 00:24:52.580 --> 00:24:59.420 HLC did not get to comment on the nomination originally. It just kind of went through the 00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:08.420 process, which is amazing that it was designated, but in terms of having the interaction between 00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:13.780 the public, the public being able to comment on it, the HLC being able to comment on it, 00:25:13.780 --> 00:25:20.660 we were kind of skipped over. So that is what I mean in terms of National Register nominations. 00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:28.940 I feel that HLC needs to have a larger role, and so that's one of my comments with the 00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:37.720 rules of procedure and hopefully an annual HLC work plan that can be incorporated. So 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:44.380 that's one of the requirements to be in good standing with THC in terms of their CLG program. 00:25:44.380 --> 00:25:50.340 So that's an example of that. And Marin, can you remind me of your other question? I apologize. 00:25:50.340 --> 00:25:57.060 I guess it was the nomination review and survey and inventory. I mean, what has the city done 00:25:57.060 --> 00:26:02.300 in survey and inventory? I think the issue may have been related to the fact the city 00:26:02.300 --> 00:26:12.140 did not wish to participate in doing any of the work for a nomination. I think it was 00:26:12.140 --> 00:26:17.820 their choice. You make it sound like they weren't invited. They were invited. I do know 00:26:17.820 --> 00:26:25.460 a little bit about this, so I know they were invited. And they chose not to. And so I think 00:26:25.460 --> 00:26:30.260 that recognizing all groups that participate and contribute quite significantly should 00:26:30.260 --> 00:26:37.300 probably exist. No, I'm not. I'm not arguing that. I agree. I believe they should. Everyone 00:26:37.300 --> 00:26:43.140 should be able to participate. However, to be a CLG, HLC is supposed to be commenting 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:49.140 on these nominations. And from what I understand, as I'm only about a month and a half in, they 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:53.380 did not get to comment on that nomination. They got to comment, but they chose not to 00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:59.500 participate with it. Do you see the difference? There was a choice. HLC got to comment or 00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:06.340 the city? The city chose not to participate. Therefore, HLC was not participating. So it 00:27:06.340 --> 00:27:15.820 was above our district if the city chooses not to. I think moving forward, we certainly, 00:27:15.820 --> 00:27:21.140 as Cameron mentioned, we want to make sure that we do participate and be involved, not 00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:28.260 only with the NRs, national registers, but also any surveys that we are looking at other 00:27:28.260 --> 00:27:32.540 parts of the city. We want to make sure that we have everyone's involvement, including 00:27:32.540 --> 00:27:36.820 the HLC. So that work plan that Cameron is talking about is going to be important as 00:27:36.820 --> 00:27:42.340 we identify and prioritize the implementation of the Historic Reservation Plan. We'll certainly 00:27:42.340 --> 00:27:49.580 pull some areas and from that plan recommendations and present that to the commission and start 00:27:49.580 --> 00:27:57.260 to again develop that work plan. And Cameron, I had one question. So for instance, it sounds 00:27:57.260 --> 00:28:01.940 like, and I wish we could all, and hopefully it'll be soon, meet in person because maybe 00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:07.300 we need almost like a work session that is not necessarily minutes. I know we have to 00:28:07.300 --> 00:28:12.200 be careful of the Open Meetings Act, but I think if we're not conducting business or 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:18.580 considering agenda items, where we brainstorm, where we talk about, okay, well, let's divide 00:28:18.580 --> 00:28:24.420 just into stuff we want to tackle this year or this summer and then prioritize and then 00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:29.980 maybe even have people volunteer on the commission and say, okay, we'll run with this and come 00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:37.940 back with three ideas. So what are the rules? I mean, Ron, you guys can jump in and just 00:28:37.940 --> 00:28:43.940 say, okay, well, maybe by July or something, we could do that. It's so much easier when 00:28:43.940 --> 00:28:50.340 we're all in a room where we can just sort of brainstorm. Well, what is our number one 00:28:50.340 --> 00:28:58.340 objective between now and a year from now? I'm gonna leave that to Ron and Matt to answer. 00:28:58.340 --> 00:29:03.660 I'll chime in and then Mackie can correct me if I'm wrong, but we certainly want to 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:09.660 make sure that we have a brainstorming workshop. But in my opinion, that's something that we 00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:14.620 most likely would like to post and we can certainly have it here and host it here at 00:29:14.620 --> 00:29:20.860 City Hall. Obviously there are things that we have to consider, what the city, as far 00:29:20.860 --> 00:29:27.180 as their provisions, as far as meeting, as well as making sure that everyone on the commission 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:32.300 wants to participate, is able to participate. So just because we're able to meet doesn't 00:29:32.300 --> 00:29:36.180 mean that most folks are comfortable. So we just have to be careful, but we definitely 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:42.180 would like to see something like that happen sooner so that we can again develop that work 00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:50.380 plan that we're all talking about. Okay. Thanks, Ron. Anybody else on this topic? 00:29:50.380 --> 00:29:57.420 Seeing no waves. Melody's grabbing your chin. Okay. Well, then we'll move on to the next 00:29:57.420 --> 00:30:07.380 item, item for consideration 3A, HLC 21-017. That's consider approval of the January 11th, 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:14.140 2021 meetings, minutes rather of the meeting. And I think those were distributed. Any changes 00:30:14.140 --> 00:30:18.180 or corrections? Well, I'll make the motion to approve the 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:24.980 minutes of January 11th, 2021. We have a motion. Is there a second? Mary 00:30:24.980 --> 00:30:26.940 second? Second, yeah. 00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:32.740 She was turned off there for a second. Okay. We have a motion and a second. Let's have 00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:39.420 a vote. All in favor say aye. Raise your hand. Aye. So do we have anyone opposed? Well, that's 00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:44.700 five, four and none against. And we have some people absent. Okay. Thank you very much. 00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:51.140 That item is approved. The last thing on our agenda today is election of a chair and vice 00:30:51.140 --> 00:30:56.620 chair. And I'll let Ron sort of fill us in, but I think we were supposed to have elections 00:30:56.620 --> 00:31:03.460 last October, September, October, perhaps. And with the COVID, we didn't. And so we're 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:10.140 now over, but I think HLC uses a bit of an unusual, we're supposed to use a slightly 00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:15.100 different election thing. But Ron, if you can sort of fill us in on the procedures that 00:31:15.100 --> 00:31:17.620 you're suggesting, then we can take it from there. 00:31:17.620 --> 00:31:23.660 Sure. Let me run that by the commission real quickly. And Roy is absolutely correct. Initially, 00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:29.380 we would have had this election soon after there were some nominations or appointments 00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:34.140 that is made by the city council. And that usually happens around the August September 00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:39.940 timeframe, but due to COVID and due to the push of the election past, you know, that 00:31:39.940 --> 00:31:47.100 timeframe, it didn't happen until January. So the city council made some nominations, 00:31:47.100 --> 00:31:52.900 appointments that is, I keep saying nominations. And after that, we are now able to open it 00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:59.620 up for again, that annual chair and vice chair selection. So that's what we were doing today 00:31:59.620 --> 00:32:05.660 is to select again, a chair and vice chair for the HLC. The way it works, and I've spoken 00:32:05.660 --> 00:32:14.240 to our city secretary, is that the chair will open the forum, the floor that is, for nominations. 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:20.620 If there are more than one, what happens is that the first nomination will be voted on. 00:32:20.620 --> 00:32:27.620 And if there is a majority and the majority is five, then that first nomination becomes 00:32:27.620 --> 00:32:36.000 accepted. However, it does, if it does not get the full majority of five, then the second 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:44.020 nomination gets the vote. And again, the requirement is that five votes accepts that nomination 00:32:44.020 --> 00:32:48.140 for chair. So I have a question at that because there's only five of us here. Does that mean 00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:53.260 we really have to have three of the five that are our quorum or five of all five? 00:32:53.260 --> 00:33:00.660 My understanding is five of all five, five majority of the HLC. And if there is not a 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:08.100 majority on the second, there's a couple options. One, we can, you know, start the nominations 00:33:08.100 --> 00:33:14.820 again for chair, or we can postpone this till the next meeting. And maybe there are other 00:33:14.820 --> 00:33:21.220 folks that were not included in this meeting that will attend. Again, we have a nine member 00:33:21.220 --> 00:33:27.580 HLC. So there are four that are not with us this afternoon. So that again, that is, that 00:33:27.580 --> 00:33:34.900 is another option. But for today to select chair, again, the chair will open the floor 00:33:34.900 --> 00:33:42.540 for nominations, close it, and then we will start the voting on each of the nomination. 00:33:42.540 --> 00:33:45.420 And likewise, we will do the same for the vice chair. 00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:51.780 Thanks, Ron. Okay, so at this point, I will open the floor for nominations here. It's 00:33:51.780 --> 00:33:56.500 certainly conceivable you can nominate yourself, you can nominate. I don't know if you can 00:33:56.500 --> 00:34:00.260 nominate someone that's on the commission who isn't here, Ron, you want to chirp in 00:34:00.260 --> 00:34:01.260 on that? 00:34:01.260 --> 00:34:06.460 Yeah, I think it's important that if we do, I don't think we can, to be honest, because 00:34:06.460 --> 00:34:11.420 I would like for that person to be able to accept that nomination. Since they're not 00:34:11.420 --> 00:34:17.660 here, then it'd be difficult to vote on something where that person did not agree or accept 00:34:17.660 --> 00:34:26.240 their nomination. So it would be the ones that are present that can be nominated. Correct 00:34:26.240 --> 00:34:31.620 me if there's something that I'm missing, if there's something that needs to be further 00:34:31.620 --> 00:34:32.620 clarified. 00:34:32.620 --> 00:34:36.500 Okay, the floor is open. Why don't you start waving or something? All right, Mary, you're 00:34:36.500 --> 00:34:37.500 up first. 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:44.900 Gee, I nominate Roy Anderson for chair. 00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.100 Thank you. All right, go ahead. Who'd you nominate? 00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:48.100 You. 00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:49.100 You. 00:34:49.100 --> 00:34:56.060 Okay, I was telling Ron earlier, right? I'm always the slow guy that the bear eats right 00:34:56.060 --> 00:34:59.900 when they're... okay, I appreciate that. Any other nominations? 00:34:59.900 --> 00:35:02.780 Wait, wait, he says we vote. All right, Ron, go ahead. 00:35:02.780 --> 00:35:10.460 No, I was just making a joke. If there are no other nominations, you can close the floor. 00:35:10.460 --> 00:35:14.020 But why don't you ask, again, chair, if there are other nominations? 00:35:14.020 --> 00:35:19.540 I thought I had... Are there any other nominations? Cassandra, help me out here, right? You've 00:35:19.540 --> 00:35:21.260 got to want to do this. 00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:26.700 There are no other nominations. Is that your help you were looking for? 00:35:26.700 --> 00:35:30.740 Actually, that's fine. Now, I think, Ron, this term only runs until we do this again 00:35:30.740 --> 00:35:31.740 in October, right? 00:35:31.740 --> 00:35:38.060 Right. So we have, again, the appointments, again, in August of this year. So following 00:35:38.060 --> 00:35:43.660 that, because, again, that was our annual timeframe. So we will, again, do the election 00:35:43.660 --> 00:35:49.940 soon after that process has occurred by city council, again, appointing those that have 00:35:49.940 --> 00:35:52.780 termed out for the HLC. 00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:57.620 Okay, so that's my prayer there, is what you're saying, get kicked off. No, I'm teasing. Okay, 00:35:57.620 --> 00:36:02.900 we're going to run this sort of in order. So I guess we have a yay or nay vote will work 00:36:02.900 --> 00:36:06.540 since we only have one nominee. Cassandra, let's start with you. 00:36:06.540 --> 00:36:07.540 Yay. 00:36:07.540 --> 00:36:11.380 Okay, we'll run to Melody. 00:36:11.380 --> 00:36:12.380 Yay. 00:36:12.380 --> 00:36:13.380 Mary. 00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:14.380 Yay. 00:36:14.380 --> 00:36:20.180 Hey, wait a minute. I figured out how to weigh out. Angie. 00:36:20.180 --> 00:36:23.700 No, no, no, not allowed. 00:36:23.700 --> 00:36:27.940 Did you say yes or no? You nominated me. 00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:28.940 I said yes. 00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:35.460 Okay, yes. Roy Boatsnake, I'll do it fine. Thank you for your confidence. Now we need 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:41.500 a vice chairperson. I'll do the same thing, except I'm going to open the floor by suggesting 00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:54.100 Mary. Okay, so let's, who else? Go ahead. 00:36:54.100 --> 00:36:57.620 Nomination I guess we need to ask that question. 00:36:57.620 --> 00:37:00.060 Yes Mary, will you accept the nomination? 00:37:00.060 --> 00:37:03.220 I guess so, we've been a pretty good team so far. 00:37:03.220 --> 00:37:08.180 Yeah, I think so too. But let's open, any other nominations? 00:37:08.180 --> 00:37:10.140 Anybody else? 00:37:10.140 --> 00:37:15.860 No one's waving. Okay, so we only have, well, we only, we have a nomination, which will 00:37:15.860 --> 00:37:22.460 effectively continue our slate to next year. Let's run around. Angie, yes or no? 00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:23.460 Yes. 00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:26.460 Roy is yes. Melody? 00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:27.460 Yes. 00:37:27.460 --> 00:37:28.460 Cassandra? 00:37:28.460 --> 00:37:29.460 Yes. 00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:32.700 And Mary, you said you're one out, right? You can get out now? 00:37:32.700 --> 00:37:37.340 I know, I know, I know. Okay, well, being vice chair is easier. I only have to cover 00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:38.340 when you're away. 00:37:38.340 --> 00:37:43.900 Actually, I think he did three and it may be about that. Anyway, fine. Okay, well, then 00:37:43.900 --> 00:37:50.140 I will announce to Mr. Ron that we have not, we have elected a chair and a vice chair for 00:37:50.140 --> 00:37:57.360 the year that will end next August 31st, I believe. And so, but I believe there are no 00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.500 other items on our agenda. So unless there's an objection, we will stand adjourned.