1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,420 Thank you and good afternoon, everybody. The first thing I want to make note of is that 2 00:00:06,420 --> 00:00:15,580 we do have a quorum of five of us here. So it is lawfully met. This is our March 15th 3 00:00:15,580 --> 00:00:20,580 regularly scheduled meeting. Why don't we start out today with the Pledge of Allegiance 4 00:00:20,580 --> 00:00:29,380 to the U.S. flag. Altogether, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America 5 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:37,500 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty 6 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:48,040 and justice for all. Next up, the Texas Pledge. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance 7 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:53,720 to the Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible. 8 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,300 All right. Thanks, everybody. I think we have a couple of things we need to get to today. 9 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:08,780 And first up on our agenda is HLC 21-012, which is to have an introduction of our new 10 00:01:08,780 --> 00:01:13,920 Historic Landmark Preservation Officer. And I will turn that to Ron. 11 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:20,060 Great. Welcome, everyone. I'm happy to announce that our Historic Preservation Officer, Cameron 12 00:01:20,060 --> 00:01:26,660 Robertson, who's here, joined us last month. She's already got started on a number of items, 13 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:30,340 so I won't steal her thunder. So I'm just going to turn it over to Cameron and have 14 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:37,060 herself introduce herself. Thanks, Ron. So good afternoon, everyone. 15 00:01:37,060 --> 00:01:42,860 I'm excited to finally meet some of you. So like Roy said, I just wanted to start off 16 00:01:42,860 --> 00:01:50,180 with a short introduction, and then we can get into our next agenda item. So as you all 17 00:01:50,180 --> 00:01:56,980 know, my name is Cameron Robertson, and I'm the new HPO. I'm originally from Dallas, Texas, 18 00:01:56,980 --> 00:02:03,340 and I've been on the East Coast for the 12 years prior to coming to Denton. I originally 19 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:10,060 worked as a civil engineer, so that's my background. I went to George Washington University, and 20 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:16,020 I practiced civil engineering for two years at the city of Erie, Pennsylvania, where I 21 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:21,700 was also involved with Preservation Erie, which is a nonprofit involved with smart urban 22 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:30,380 design and historic preservation policy. After two years of working in Erie, I decided to 23 00:02:30,380 --> 00:02:39,060 pursue a dual master's at Columbia University in urban planning and historic preservation. 24 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:48,460 I was in that program from 2014 to 2017. During that time, I worked on multiple publications 25 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:54,260 related to preservation and planning. One of those opportunities was working for the 26 00:02:54,260 --> 00:03:02,420 World Monuments Fund in Lalibela, Ethiopia, which was really a wonderful opportunity focusing 27 00:03:02,420 --> 00:03:09,820 on the future development in and around the World Heritage Site, the Rockhune Churches. 28 00:03:09,820 --> 00:03:16,700 Another project I worked on while in grad school is I worked on my thesis or my dissertation. 29 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:22,140 That was focused around preservation policy in arts and cultural districts, and my case 30 00:03:22,140 --> 00:03:31,500 study was based in the River North Arts District in Denver, Colorado. So after doing that for 31 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:38,220 three years, I ended up working for AKRF, which is an environmental consulting group 32 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:44,140 in New York City, working on city environmental quality review and state environmental quality 33 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:51,420 reviews. One of my favorite projects during that time was I worked on a four-year project, 34 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:57,580 large-scale survey, working at the National Register level, where we looked at the Hudson 35 00:03:57,580 --> 00:04:05,940 River Valley, as well as Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn, multiple of those counties, and 36 00:04:05,940 --> 00:04:11,780 we looked in the floodplain area for historic resources. So like I said, that was a four-year 37 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:20,740 process, large-scale survey. We ended up recommending over 25 historic districts. We found over 38 00:04:20,740 --> 00:04:28,260 2,000 resources, so that by far was one of my favorite projects. But after doing New 39 00:04:28,260 --> 00:04:34,380 York for six years, I decided I really wanted to come back to my home state, and I was able 40 00:04:34,380 --> 00:04:40,820 to find the opportunity to work with Denton, and I'm really excited to be here, and if 41 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:46,500 you guys have any questions, that's my introduction. 42 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:57,140 Well, we're a silent bunch today so far. So the Columbia University was actually on Manhattan, 43 00:04:57,140 --> 00:04:58,140 right? 44 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:00,100 Yes, it's in Harlem. 45 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:07,260 Yeah, I've walked by there, but obviously spent quite a bit of time there on Manhattan 46 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:14,500 and various trips. Okay, well, why don't we, I think you're also our next agenda item, 47 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:22,260 which is HLC 21-021 odd number, so what? Ron, should Cameron just blaze into that one? 48 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:23,780 Yeah, she sincerely can. 49 00:05:23,780 --> 00:05:24,780 You have the floor. 50 00:05:24,780 --> 00:05:45,540 Okay, I'm going to share my screen. Can everyone see my screen? Okay. Let me get into slideshows. 51 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:52,140 So for today's agenda item, I wanted us to discuss the THC CLG requirements and have 52 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:58,780 a discussion about these requirements. So as you can see, and as I'm sure you saw on the 53 00:05:58,780 --> 00:06:07,420 agenda, is that there are 11 requirements required for cities who have CLG. So as you 54 00:06:07,420 --> 00:06:13,140 can see on the presentation, we have Adopt and Maintain and Historic Preservation Ordinance, 55 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:19,180 which is, I consider us to be ongoing. We have the HPO and HLC, which you can see at 56 00:06:19,180 --> 00:06:26,300 the bottom here, which I believe obviously we've met. We have requirement four, which 57 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:32,820 is the Enforcement of HP Ordinance, which is considered to be ongoing as well, as well 58 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:42,500 as we have, we adopted the Secretary of Interior standards. But I kind of want to focus on 59 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:51,820 what requirements six, seven, eight, and 10. As you can see, public participation. Obviously 60 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:57,980 I'm new here. I'm not sure what has been done in the past, but just from conversations and 61 00:06:57,980 --> 00:07:03,540 just some of my own research, I feel like that's one of the things that we really need 62 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:11,140 to focus on as an HLC and HPO is getting that public participation, as well as the survey 63 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:17,420 and inventory system. We do have past surveys, and we do have that inventory system, but 64 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:25,140 it's not being necessarily up kept. So that's something I would like to discuss as well. 65 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:31,860 Also in terms of requirement eight, which is the National Register Nomination Review, 66 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:38,540 I know we have a few nominations or National Register districts that just came on board 67 00:07:38,540 --> 00:07:44,860 that have actually been designated within Denton. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure 68 00:07:44,860 --> 00:07:51,660 if HLC was involved with that review. So I believe that's something that we need to make 69 00:07:51,660 --> 00:08:01,660 sure that we, HLC and myself as HPO, become involved in that process. Also, as you can 70 00:08:01,660 --> 00:08:14,580 see, we have the THC monitoring, which I believe we're doing well. Then the HLC and HPO training. 71 00:08:14,580 --> 00:08:20,100 Once again, I'm not sure what was done in the past, but I believe this is something 72 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:25,240 we need to focus on, especially keeping people up to date with what's going on in the preservation 73 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:32,940 world today and continuing to the future. Then requirement 11 is the CLG Annual Report, 74 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:40,340 which is ongoing, and I filled out this past February with Ron's assistance, but we seem 75 00:08:40,340 --> 00:08:50,300 to be good on that. So just some of the suggestions that I had for this was, as you can see on 76 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:56,820 the right-hand side, I have it kind of in terms of level of priority, from high to low, 77 00:08:56,820 --> 00:09:02,660 but I believe all of these should be ongoing. The first, I think, is the most important 78 00:09:02,660 --> 00:09:09,980 is we really need rules of procedure. I think this would really assist us in guiding HLC 79 00:09:09,980 --> 00:09:17,460 operations, helping us administer the preservation plan, and I think that also leads kind of 80 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:25,780 into the annual HLC work plan. So as I have an example on the slide, THC has a new preservation 81 00:09:25,780 --> 00:09:32,340 boot camp, so that would be great to implement each year into our annual HLC work plan. But 82 00:09:32,340 --> 00:09:38,540 prior to that, I really do believe that we need to start getting a really good inventory 83 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:45,380 and survey system in place, because currently we're just working off of PDF documents, and 84 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:51,660 I think that can be overly complicated, and I think if we had an ongoing system that we're 85 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:59,020 continuously filling in with demolitions, alterations, and the like, I think that would 86 00:09:59,020 --> 00:10:06,540 be really important. And then my last point on the level of priority, but that should 87 00:10:06,540 --> 00:10:12,580 be ongoing, is definitely public outreach, and one example that I've already encountered 88 00:10:12,580 --> 00:10:21,140 a few times is I've had a few professionals reach out to me asking if the HPO or HLC had 89 00:10:21,140 --> 00:10:26,540 a list put together of historic preservation conscious professionals in terms of architects, 90 00:10:26,540 --> 00:10:34,340 home inspectors, real estate agents, so I really think that could be, as an example, 91 00:10:34,340 --> 00:10:43,420 that could be a good first step in our public outreach. But with that, I would love to open 92 00:10:43,420 --> 00:10:56,100 up a discussion with everyone. >> I guess I'll kind of start off, Mary Anderson. 93 00:10:56,100 --> 00:11:00,220 I live in the historic district. I think I'm the sole member that lives in the historic 94 00:11:00,220 --> 00:11:06,140 district, so that is my representation. So I speak for many, not all, of course, because 95 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:11,100 the historic district has many landlords who don't give a rat's patootie about historic 96 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:18,780 preservation currently. So I think we need to raise their awareness of some of the benefits. 97 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:24,180 I am a little concerned about the last item you mentioned about a list of people. Sounds 98 00:11:24,180 --> 00:11:29,460 like we're starting into Angie's list or what's the other guy's list, and I can see that it's 99 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:35,260 going to cause a lot of, shall we say, discussions on who gets included, how do they get included, 100 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:38,340 how are we going to vet them, are we going to be responsible for having vetted them when 101 00:11:38,340 --> 00:11:42,980 somebody uses them and they aren't historically conscious? I think legally, this could be 102 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:49,880 a real can of worms, and I worry about such a list from that person. I mean, I would love 103 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:55,700 to have one, but people in the neighborhood talk, so we already know the name of the person 104 00:11:55,700 --> 00:12:01,860 you go to for a good painting that's more historically conscious, so I do worry about 105 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:13,380 that list. Okay, thank you, Mary. I think you said public 106 00:12:13,380 --> 00:12:17,180 input and public information was one of the first things you talked about. What do you 107 00:12:17,180 --> 00:12:22,780 have in mind there? In terms of public input and participation, 108 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:31,180 so my main focus is just drawing the community in. I think, for example, I haven't shared 109 00:12:31,180 --> 00:12:37,740 what I'm hoping, but one of the things is I am currently in the works of putting together 110 00:12:37,740 --> 00:12:45,700 an Instagram. I know some people don't necessarily see Instagram as being this huge platform that 111 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:50,900 can draw all these people in, but it really can if it's utilized correctly. It can provide 112 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:57,780 education. It can provide training. It can provide just everyday knowledge that someone 113 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:05,340 might not have, and I believe that's one of the things coming in. I feel like there's 114 00:13:05,340 --> 00:13:10,020 not a lot of younger generation participation. There's a lot of people who obviously live 115 00:13:10,020 --> 00:13:14,700 in the historic districts, which is amazing, but I think we need to reach past the historic 116 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:21,320 districts and get that public participation. Like I said, for example, the Instagram, that's 117 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:29,820 one of the things I'm working on right now. Also, I'm starting to research our tax ordinances 118 00:13:29,820 --> 00:13:36,860 just to see if those can be used past a certain point of just the historic districts itself, 119 00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:43,060 but that's still in the process. Those are two of my examples, I guess, of public participation 120 00:13:43,060 --> 00:13:47,620 and having people be more involved in the preservation process. 121 00:13:47,620 --> 00:13:48,620 Andrew? 122 00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:56,820 Hi there. Hey, I'm Angie Scrippling. I also live in a historic district, and I think it's 123 00:13:56,820 --> 00:14:02,980 interesting that you say reaching out to the community, and because one of the things that 124 00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:09,040 Mary talked about were landlords as well, but I believe that a lot of the properties 125 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:17,180 around me that are rental properties are by management companies, and so I think getting 126 00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:23,860 management companies also involved, but the people that are living at these properties 127 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:30,140 need to be involved. The people that are living in these, they are still our citizens here, 128 00:14:30,140 --> 00:14:35,620 and we need to do something to bring them in, so I'm really glad to hear that you just 129 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:41,380 say as a community and not just property owners. I mean, I think property owners need to be 130 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:49,140 included too, but the people living there do, so thanks for including that. 131 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:55,540 The question I have is would you, but I understand that we want to target the city overall, but 132 00:14:55,540 --> 00:14:59,300 would you even be doing things like, oh, I don't know what to call it, national night 133 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:05,980 out in historic districts where we're there and we have, I don't know, someone dressed 134 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:09,980 up as Abraham Lincoln, or you know what I mean? In other words, things that are fun 135 00:15:09,980 --> 00:15:15,340 in the communities that we set up and not necessarily spend a lot of money or any money, 136 00:15:15,340 --> 00:15:20,260 but just start to emphasize that these historic neighborhoods in Denton are so much the soul 137 00:15:20,260 --> 00:15:25,540 of this town, but people are going to participate if it's something fun to do. 138 00:15:25,540 --> 00:15:32,940 No, I completely agree, Roy. That's one of the things I'm interested in as well. I really 139 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:39,460 would love for us to all work together to put together a preservation month. That can 140 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:43,220 be the historic districts. It could be the larger community of Denton. It could be telling 141 00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:50,340 history about different neighborhoods, about the downtown square. I believe there's so 142 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:58,020 much opportunity that we have that we haven't maybe necessarily been able to grasp in the 143 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:06,820 past, but I really feel that there's so many ways in a fun way to educate people about 144 00:16:06,820 --> 00:16:12,940 preservation and really get people involved and excited because preservation isn't so 145 00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:19,380 specific in terms of it's just a building. It's a culture. It's a community. It's that 146 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:23,700 history of that community. It's a history of that culture. I think that's something 147 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:28,260 we need to bring to the table and be able to share with our community. 148 00:16:28,260 --> 00:16:34,380 Cassandra? Will there be an opportunity to create maybe 149 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:42,380 pamphlets or something electronically to send to the schools and maybe it be part of the 150 00:16:42,380 --> 00:16:48,220 curriculum somewhere within the program because the continuation of this is going to be based 151 00:16:48,220 --> 00:16:55,940 upon people behind us who know the importance and the history. It could be like if you do 152 00:16:55,940 --> 00:17:01,820 like a preservation week, maybe encourage the schools to have some type of presentation 153 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:07,300 before that and maybe create an activity for the schools to get involved as well. 154 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:13,820 I think that's a wonderful idea. I haven't thought yet to that next phase or stage, but 155 00:17:13,820 --> 00:17:20,980 I think that would be wonderful to have each school have some type of involvement with 156 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:26,540 a preservation week or a class where they're able to learn about preservation. They're 157 00:17:26,540 --> 00:17:32,140 able to learn about their community in a different way besides just history class. I think that's 158 00:17:32,140 --> 00:17:35,500 a great recommendation, Cassandra. I've written that down. 159 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:40,540 Yeah. Melody? If I miss somebody, just speak up. 160 00:17:40,540 --> 00:17:49,660 I'm Melody Cohode. I am the representative for the Denton County Historical Commission. 161 00:17:49,660 --> 00:17:58,460 We do, when we're not under a rural pandemic, we try to do a lot of community education 162 00:17:58,460 --> 00:18:06,660 and outreach and we do a lot of it at the historic park. Anywhere where we have a designation, 163 00:18:06,660 --> 00:18:21,100 it can be a house that has a historic marker, an historic place. I would suggest that piggybacking 164 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:28,220 onto something rather than trying to reinvent the wheel again. Once you get your feet on 165 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:36,980 the ground, the gals at the Office of History and Culture, they're wonderful. They would 166 00:18:36,980 --> 00:18:43,460 be a great resource for you. Thank you, Melody. That's helpful information. 167 00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:48,860 I've written that down as well. I had a question about that. You mentioned 168 00:18:48,860 --> 00:18:55,140 the Texas Historic Commission Boot Camp. Can you talk to us a little bit about that? Because 169 00:18:55,140 --> 00:19:01,620 a couple of years ago, there was something in St. Louis where several people went to 170 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:07,660 a conference or something. I thought it was local. Maybe Ron, you can remember. I thought 171 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:14,460 it was more in Texas. I thought it was inside of Texas. Ron, did you go? 172 00:19:14,460 --> 00:19:19,860 I didn't go. I know that Roman had some folks go, but that is certainly something that we 173 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:27,740 can certainly continue to do. I think educating the Commission is an important thing. We want 174 00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:32,020 to make sure that there are opportunities, if there are opportunities, that the HLC can 175 00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:40,900 attend those training or conferences. That's okay. I think the boot camp isn't 176 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:45,260 that online this year? Yes. That's what I was about to say. They added 177 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:52,980 a 14 module training online. We just received an email about it. The CLGs just received 178 00:19:52,980 --> 00:20:00,300 an email about it, I believe, on Friday regarding the preservation boot camp. That will be available. 179 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:06,940 You can take those classes. Then you're sent a certificate. They'll be aware that you've 180 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:14,660 taken that course already. It's a great online resource. I can share that with you all. It's 181 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:19,740 on the THC website. It's just their preservation boot camp. 182 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:30,980 Okay. Is it really for historic landmark commissions around Texas or preservation officers or who? 183 00:20:30,980 --> 00:20:38,060 It's for all CLGs. It's for anyone who is on a commission or an HPO. They get that continuing 184 00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:45,460 education so that they're able to be in good standing with THC. 185 00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:51,420 Cameron, I think Cassandra had a great idea. I'm going to say hello to you, Cassandra, 186 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:58,020 because I've not met you face-to-face, though. Hello. She mentioned getting the schools involved. 187 00:20:58,020 --> 00:21:05,580 If we're thinking right now, just discussing things that we would like to really have happen. 188 00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:12,860 We have an ATC here in Ditten, where students are putting together media productions and 189 00:21:12,860 --> 00:21:21,260 things like that. Through this pandemic, I've been watching a lot about England and history 190 00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:27,780 there. Wouldn't it be great if we could get maybe students involved and do really neat 191 00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:33,500 productions and do it in segments, not maybe a long one, but segments of the history of 192 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:39,100 Ditten and some of these buildings, and go downtown? Maybe we could get some involvement 193 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:46,500 there with the schools even. That's kind of a long project and plan. I really like getting 194 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:52,340 communities involved for smaller things that we can get going quicker. Maybe for a long 195 00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:57,940 term, that's something we could put in a plan. No, I think that's wonderful. I think the 196 00:21:57,940 --> 00:22:03,380 more involvement, especially with these younger generations, the better. I think it won't 197 00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:08,500 hurt us. It will only help us as a community to have them involved from an early age and 198 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:13,220 moving forward, because it gets them excited. A lot of people don't know specifically about 199 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:22,940 the preservation field. They don't understand it necessarily. I think that's great. 200 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:28,940 Maybe even an exploration of the type of careers that are in this, because I've not heard of 201 00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:35,700 your position before, growing up and thinking, "Oh, I want to be a historic preservation 202 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:44,340 officer." That wasn't anything that I would have thought to consider. Maybe also a segue, 203 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:50,220 how you can segue into, because your background is impressive and you've done a lot. I'm just 204 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:55,980 not anything I would have thought about, so maybe look at a way we can do that. 205 00:22:55,980 --> 00:23:02,300 And Melody, part of what you all do is that information that's included or a booth that's 206 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:07,940 set up during the Denton community market days down by those historic homes. Is anything 207 00:23:07,940 --> 00:23:15,620 happening there during market days that would draw people in to get information? 208 00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:21,620 I'm new to the commission, so I'm going to have a lot of questions that probably people 209 00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:24,820 already have addressed, so forgive me. 210 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:31,220 The Bayless Selby House is open during the time of the community market, so people are 211 00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:46,660 able to go in. As events come up, like archeology or whatever, we do have events on the lawn 212 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:58,180 outside of the house on Saturdays during market times, so it does get used to promote the 213 00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:04,140 museums in town during market days. Was that your question? 214 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:10,420 Yes, thank you. 215 00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:17,020 Okay, anything else, anyone? 216 00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:21,420 I'm almost there. There was public participation, survey, and inventory. I don't remember you 217 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:27,900 talking about that nomination review. Those two topics, I don't remember you saying too 218 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:34,060 much about. Are they not prioritized? 219 00:24:34,060 --> 00:24:38,980 So I can use an example, but obviously, like I said during the presentation, just correct 220 00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:45,580 me if I'm wrong, but recently, we had a National Register designation and not a nomination 221 00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:52,580 within Denton called the West Denton Residential Historic District. From what I understand, 222 00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:59,420 HLC did not get to comment on the nomination originally. It just kind of went through the 223 00:24:59,420 --> 00:25:08,420 process, which is amazing that it was designated, but in terms of having the interaction between 224 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:13,780 the public, the public being able to comment on it, the HLC being able to comment on it, 225 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:20,660 we were kind of skipped over. So that is what I mean in terms of National Register nominations. 226 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:28,940 I feel that HLC needs to have a larger role, and so that's one of my comments with the 227 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:37,720 rules of procedure and hopefully an annual HLC work plan that can be incorporated. So 228 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:44,380 that's one of the requirements to be in good standing with THC in terms of their CLG program. 229 00:25:44,380 --> 00:25:50,340 So that's an example of that. And Marin, can you remind me of your other question? I apologize. 230 00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:57,060 I guess it was the nomination review and survey and inventory. I mean, what has the city done 231 00:25:57,060 --> 00:26:02,300 in survey and inventory? I think the issue may have been related to the fact the city 232 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:12,140 did not wish to participate in doing any of the work for a nomination. I think it was 233 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:17,820 their choice. You make it sound like they weren't invited. They were invited. I do know 234 00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:25,460 a little bit about this, so I know they were invited. And they chose not to. And so I think 235 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:30,260 that recognizing all groups that participate and contribute quite significantly should 236 00:26:30,260 --> 00:26:37,300 probably exist. No, I'm not. I'm not arguing that. I agree. I believe they should. Everyone 237 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:43,140 should be able to participate. However, to be a CLG, HLC is supposed to be commenting 238 00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:49,140 on these nominations. And from what I understand, as I'm only about a month and a half in, they 239 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:53,380 did not get to comment on that nomination. They got to comment, but they chose not to 240 00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:59,500 participate with it. Do you see the difference? There was a choice. HLC got to comment or 241 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:06,340 the city? The city chose not to participate. Therefore, HLC was not participating. So it 242 00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:15,820 was above our district if the city chooses not to. I think moving forward, we certainly, 243 00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:21,140 as Cameron mentioned, we want to make sure that we do participate and be involved, not 244 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:28,260 only with the NRs, national registers, but also any surveys that we are looking at other 245 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:32,540 parts of the city. We want to make sure that we have everyone's involvement, including 246 00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:36,820 the HLC. So that work plan that Cameron is talking about is going to be important as 247 00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:42,340 we identify and prioritize the implementation of the Historic Reservation Plan. We'll certainly 248 00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:49,580 pull some areas and from that plan recommendations and present that to the commission and start 249 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:57,260 to again develop that work plan. And Cameron, I had one question. So for instance, it sounds 250 00:27:57,260 --> 00:28:01,940 like, and I wish we could all, and hopefully it'll be soon, meet in person because maybe 251 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:07,300 we need almost like a work session that is not necessarily minutes. I know we have to 252 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:12,200 be careful of the Open Meetings Act, but I think if we're not conducting business or 253 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,580 considering agenda items, where we brainstorm, where we talk about, okay, well, let's divide 254 00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:24,420 just into stuff we want to tackle this year or this summer and then prioritize and then 255 00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:29,980 maybe even have people volunteer on the commission and say, okay, we'll run with this and come 256 00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:37,940 back with three ideas. So what are the rules? I mean, Ron, you guys can jump in and just 257 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:43,940 say, okay, well, maybe by July or something, we could do that. It's so much easier when 258 00:28:43,940 --> 00:28:50,340 we're all in a room where we can just sort of brainstorm. Well, what is our number one 259 00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:58,340 objective between now and a year from now? I'm gonna leave that to Ron and Matt to answer. 260 00:28:58,340 --> 00:29:03,660 I'll chime in and then Mackie can correct me if I'm wrong, but we certainly want to 261 00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:09,660 make sure that we have a brainstorming workshop. But in my opinion, that's something that we 262 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:14,620 most likely would like to post and we can certainly have it here and host it here at 263 00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:20,860 City Hall. Obviously there are things that we have to consider, what the city, as far 264 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:27,180 as their provisions, as far as meeting, as well as making sure that everyone on the commission 265 00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:32,300 wants to participate, is able to participate. So just because we're able to meet doesn't 266 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:36,180 mean that most folks are comfortable. So we just have to be careful, but we definitely 267 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:42,180 would like to see something like that happen sooner so that we can again develop that work 268 00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:50,380 plan that we're all talking about. Okay. Thanks, Ron. Anybody else on this topic? 269 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:57,420 Seeing no waves. Melody's grabbing your chin. Okay. Well, then we'll move on to the next 270 00:29:57,420 --> 00:30:07,380 item, item for consideration 3A, HLC 21-017. That's consider approval of the January 11th, 271 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:14,140 2021 meetings, minutes rather of the meeting. And I think those were distributed. Any changes 272 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:18,180 or corrections? Well, I'll make the motion to approve the 273 00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:24,980 minutes of January 11th, 2021. We have a motion. Is there a second? Mary 274 00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:26,940 second? Second, yeah. 275 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:32,740 She was turned off there for a second. Okay. We have a motion and a second. Let's have 276 00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:39,420 a vote. All in favor say aye. Raise your hand. Aye. So do we have anyone opposed? Well, that's 277 00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:44,700 five, four and none against. And we have some people absent. Okay. Thank you very much. 278 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:51,140 That item is approved. The last thing on our agenda today is election of a chair and vice 279 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:56,620 chair. And I'll let Ron sort of fill us in, but I think we were supposed to have elections 280 00:30:56,620 --> 00:31:03,460 last October, September, October, perhaps. And with the COVID, we didn't. And so we're 281 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:10,140 now over, but I think HLC uses a bit of an unusual, we're supposed to use a slightly 282 00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:15,100 different election thing. But Ron, if you can sort of fill us in on the procedures that 283 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,620 you're suggesting, then we can take it from there. 284 00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:23,660 Sure. Let me run that by the commission real quickly. And Roy is absolutely correct. Initially, 285 00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:29,380 we would have had this election soon after there were some nominations or appointments 286 00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:34,140 that is made by the city council. And that usually happens around the August September 287 00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:39,940 timeframe, but due to COVID and due to the push of the election past, you know, that 288 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:47,100 timeframe, it didn't happen until January. So the city council made some nominations, 289 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:52,900 appointments that is, I keep saying nominations. And after that, we are now able to open it 290 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:59,620 up for again, that annual chair and vice chair selection. So that's what we were doing today 291 00:31:59,620 --> 00:32:05,660 is to select again, a chair and vice chair for the HLC. The way it works, and I've spoken 292 00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:14,240 to our city secretary, is that the chair will open the forum, the floor that is, for nominations. 293 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:20,620 If there are more than one, what happens is that the first nomination will be voted on. 294 00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:27,620 And if there is a majority and the majority is five, then that first nomination becomes 295 00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:36,000 accepted. However, it does, if it does not get the full majority of five, then the second 296 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:44,020 nomination gets the vote. And again, the requirement is that five votes accepts that nomination 297 00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:48,140 for chair. So I have a question at that because there's only five of us here. Does that mean 298 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:53,260 we really have to have three of the five that are our quorum or five of all five? 299 00:32:53,260 --> 00:33:00,660 My understanding is five of all five, five majority of the HLC. And if there is not a 300 00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:08,100 majority on the second, there's a couple options. One, we can, you know, start the nominations 301 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:14,820 again for chair, or we can postpone this till the next meeting. And maybe there are other 302 00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:21,220 folks that were not included in this meeting that will attend. Again, we have a nine member 303 00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:27,580 HLC. So there are four that are not with us this afternoon. So that again, that is, that 304 00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:34,900 is another option. But for today to select chair, again, the chair will open the floor 305 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:42,540 for nominations, close it, and then we will start the voting on each of the nomination. 306 00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:45,420 And likewise, we will do the same for the vice chair. 307 00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:51,780 Thanks, Ron. Okay, so at this point, I will open the floor for nominations here. It's 308 00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:56,500 certainly conceivable you can nominate yourself, you can nominate. I don't know if you can 309 00:33:56,500 --> 00:34:00,260 nominate someone that's on the commission who isn't here, Ron, you want to chirp in 310 00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:01,260 on that? 311 00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:06,460 Yeah, I think it's important that if we do, I don't think we can, to be honest, because 312 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:11,420 I would like for that person to be able to accept that nomination. Since they're not 313 00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:17,660 here, then it'd be difficult to vote on something where that person did not agree or accept 314 00:34:17,660 --> 00:34:26,240 their nomination. So it would be the ones that are present that can be nominated. Correct 315 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:31,620 me if there's something that I'm missing, if there's something that needs to be further 316 00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:32,620 clarified. 317 00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:36,500 Okay, the floor is open. Why don't you start waving or something? All right, Mary, you're 318 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:37,500 up first. 319 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:44,900 Gee, I nominate Roy Anderson for chair. 320 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,100 Thank you. All right, go ahead. Who'd you nominate? 321 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:48,100 You. 322 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:49,100 You. 323 00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:56,060 Okay, I was telling Ron earlier, right? I'm always the slow guy that the bear eats right 324 00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:59,900 when they're... okay, I appreciate that. Any other nominations? 325 00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,780 Wait, wait, he says we vote. All right, Ron, go ahead. 326 00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:10,460 No, I was just making a joke. If there are no other nominations, you can close the floor. 327 00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:14,020 But why don't you ask, again, chair, if there are other nominations? 328 00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:19,540 I thought I had... Are there any other nominations? Cassandra, help me out here, right? You've 329 00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:21,260 got to want to do this. 330 00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:26,700 There are no other nominations. Is that your help you were looking for? 331 00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:30,740 Actually, that's fine. Now, I think, Ron, this term only runs until we do this again 332 00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:31,740 in October, right? 333 00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:38,060 Right. So we have, again, the appointments, again, in August of this year. So following 334 00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:43,660 that, because, again, that was our annual timeframe. So we will, again, do the election 335 00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:49,940 soon after that process has occurred by city council, again, appointing those that have 336 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:52,780 termed out for the HLC. 337 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:57,620 Okay, so that's my prayer there, is what you're saying, get kicked off. No, I'm teasing. Okay, 338 00:35:57,620 --> 00:36:02,900 we're going to run this sort of in order. So I guess we have a yay or nay vote will work 339 00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,540 since we only have one nominee. Cassandra, let's start with you. 340 00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:07,540 Yay. 341 00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:11,380 Okay, we'll run to Melody. 342 00:36:11,380 --> 00:36:12,380 Yay. 343 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:13,380 Mary. 344 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:14,380 Yay. 345 00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:20,180 Hey, wait a minute. I figured out how to weigh out. Angie. 346 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:23,700 No, no, no, not allowed. 347 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,940 Did you say yes or no? You nominated me. 348 00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:28,940 I said yes. 349 00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:35,460 Okay, yes. Roy Boatsnake, I'll do it fine. Thank you for your confidence. Now we need 350 00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:41,500 a vice chairperson. I'll do the same thing, except I'm going to open the floor by suggesting 351 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:54,100 Mary. Okay, so let's, who else? Go ahead. 352 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:57,620 Nomination I guess we need to ask that question. 353 00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:00,060 Yes Mary, will you accept the nomination? 354 00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:03,220 I guess so, we've been a pretty good team so far. 355 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:08,180 Yeah, I think so too. But let's open, any other nominations? 356 00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:10,140 Anybody else? 357 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:15,860 No one's waving. Okay, so we only have, well, we only, we have a nomination, which will 358 00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:22,460 effectively continue our slate to next year. Let's run around. Angie, yes or no? 359 00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:23,460 Yes. 360 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:26,460 Roy is yes. Melody? 361 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:27,460 Yes. 362 00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:28,460 Cassandra? 363 00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:29,460 Yes. 364 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:32,700 And Mary, you said you're one out, right? You can get out now? 365 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:37,340 I know, I know, I know. Okay, well, being vice chair is easier. I only have to cover 366 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:38,340 when you're away. 367 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:43,900 Actually, I think he did three and it may be about that. Anyway, fine. Okay, well, then 368 00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:50,140 I will announce to Mr. Ron that we have not, we have elected a chair and a vice chair for 369 00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:57,360 the year that will end next August 31st, I believe. And so, but I believe there are no 370 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,500 other items on our agenda. So unless there's an objection, we will stand adjourned.