1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,260 Okay, it's nine o'clock and we'll call to order the City of Denton Public Utilities 2 00:00:09,260 --> 00:00:13,820 Board meeting for February 8th, 2021. 3 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:17,960 Are there any public comments for the first item? 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,520 There are no public comments. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Okay. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,520 All right. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,900 We'll proceed into the regular meeting on the consent agenda. 8 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:28,360 Does any board member wish to pull up an agenda item? 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,340 Yes, Billy. 10 00:00:30,340 --> 00:00:32,840 I pull item D is in dog. 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,080 D is in dog. 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Yep. 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Any others? 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,080 Karen? 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,680 I just had a quick question on B. 16 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Okay, we'll pull it. 17 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,320 Any others? 18 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,520 Do we have a motion to approve item A and C? 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:50,520 So moved. 20 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,560 And a second? 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,560 Second. 22 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,560 All in favor say aye. 23 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,560 Aye. 24 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,560 Aye. 25 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,560 Okay. 26 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,560 That carries. 27 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Item B, what is your question? 28 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:08,480 I just wanted a quick review of the status of the landfill expansion. 29 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:14,600 I don't know if this is the right place to do it, but I know that there are plans for 30 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,600 further expansion. 31 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,960 I was wondering if that was going to be, hey, Brian, I was wondering if that was going to 32 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:31,760 be dependent on the study that's coming out a year or two from now, or if there are already, 33 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:40,320 if the thing that we're voting on for B is something that was approved a while ago. 34 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:41,320 Expansion wise. 35 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:42,320 You're on mute. 36 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:43,320 Yeah, there we go. 37 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:47,600 Madam Chair, members of the board, Brian Burner, Solid Waste Director with City of Denton. 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,960 Appreciate the opportunity to talk about these two items this morning. 39 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:56,400 The two items that we're looking at are part of a planned expansion under our existing 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,400 permit. 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,880 This would have to be done regardless of whether we get a new permit or not to expand the landfill. 42 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,180 So this is just normal everything. 43 00:02:05,180 --> 00:02:07,800 It's time to expand, to put in a new cell. 44 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,800 Okay. 45 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,800 Thanks. 46 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,120 That basically was my question on both situations. 47 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,120 Thank you. 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,120 Thanks. 49 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:21,520 Do we have a motion to approve that item? 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,520 Yeah. 51 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,520 So moved. 52 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:24,520 And a second. 53 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,520 Ed, cut the second. 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,000 All in favor say aye. 55 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Aye. 56 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Aye. 57 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 That carries. 58 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Item D. 59 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:44,080 My question, I guess it's for Tom, is this a portion of the total cost of this line? 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,360 Is the developer paying for its portion as well? 61 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:56,840 Billy, we have Pritam Deshmuth, I'm going to ask him if he can respond to that question. 62 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,000 Okay. 63 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:08,760 Pritam, if you can hear me, you're on mute. 64 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,840 Hi, good morning. 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,400 This is Pritam. 66 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,360 Can you hear me? 67 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,640 Yes, sir. 68 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:25,040 Thank you for the opportunity to talk about this particular item. 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:34,240 This particular cost is only a permit cost, typically all railroads have a permit cost 70 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:41,400 associated with letting us lay a line or cross their railroad. 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:48,720 So it is not necessarily a portion or a piece, it's a fixed fee permit cost for that, for 72 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,880 this particular permit. 73 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:58,520 So the work involved, does it have anything to do with private development? 74 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,080 No, this is a water line. 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,680 So this has nothing to do with private development. 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,440 It's already in our CIP, I guess. 77 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:14,920 Yes, I mean, these types of crossings are already included in our operation costs. 78 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,200 Okay. 79 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Is there any upsizing involved with this? 80 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,720 No, this is a standard six-inch water line. 81 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,440 Okay, that's good. 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:39,680 I have one comment, I'd like to see an additional note at the ordinances where we're applicable, 83 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:45,480 of course, that tells the budget source of the monies being spent. 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,960 Sometimes they're in there and sometimes they're not. 85 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:59,000 So this one's pretty low dollar amount, I'm not complaining, I'm just curious. 86 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,360 We can definitely do that, Billy, going forward and make sure we document that information. 87 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Just makes it easier on everybody, I think. 88 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,200 Yes, sir. 89 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Okay. 90 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:15,840 Well, I'll move approval for item D. And then second, all in favor say aye. 91 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:16,920 Aye. 92 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:23,000 Now I forgot to move on item and we're going to move the public hearing item from the end 93 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:29,600 of the meeting to after individual items for consideration, item C, so that we'll end up 94 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,080 with the management reports at the end. 95 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,400 So with that, we'll move into items for individual consideration. 96 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,720 The first item is approval of the January 25th meeting. 97 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:46,280 Do we have a motion to approve those? 98 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:47,280 So moved. 99 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:48,280 Thank you. 100 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:49,280 I'll second. 101 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:50,280 You second. 102 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:51,280 All in favor say aye. 103 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:52,280 Aye. 104 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:53,280 Carries. 105 00:05:53,280 --> 00:06:07,400 Next item is item E, consider the recommending adoption of a contract with JRD LLC for the 106 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:15,520 amount of not to exceed $15,880,000. 107 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,960 And Madam Chair, we have Mark Zimmer is going to do a brief presentation on the signing 108 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:28,120 of Mark's one of our engineers over at DME and I'm sure he's getting set up. 109 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Good morning, everybody. 110 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,720 Mark Zimmer, DME Engineering. 111 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Can everybody hear me? 112 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Currently DME has 13 transmission line projects in our approved CIP budget that require transmission 113 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,360 line construction services. 114 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,400 They're shown here on this map. 115 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:59,600 They include rebuilding existing transmission lines, tying in new substations and rerouting 116 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:06,640 existing transmission lines due to future TxDOT projects. 117 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:13,160 To facilitate these projects, we assembled a RFP for the services needed, shown here 118 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,760 on the slide, which include installation of transmission pole foundations, installation 119 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:35,160 and assembly of the transmission poles, and installation of the overhead conductor. 120 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,880 We received four responses to the RFP shown here. 121 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,600 We evaluate them based on total cost, project delivery, compliance with specifications and 122 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,600 probable performance. 123 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:53,800 You can see Massalanka power line services was evaluated the highest. 124 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,400 Could you go back to that slide, please? 125 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,400 Okay. 126 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:05,480 I see pricing is obvious while they were rated the highest. 127 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,080 Some of the others weren't rated very well in project delivery. 128 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,760 Is that from experience with your group? 129 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,400 That's not based on experience. 130 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,520 During the RFP, we asked for estimated hours to complete the line items in the contract. 131 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,080 That's how we evaluated it. 132 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,080 Okay. 133 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,400 Well, the other -- nobody else rated low on the other ones, so I was curious as to how 134 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,080 to do with their answers. 135 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,080 Right. 136 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,080 Okay. 137 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,080 All right. 138 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:41,960 Here are the projects that are included in the proposed contract. 139 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:47,640 You can see three projects here for TMPA, of which they'll all be reimbursed by TMPA. 140 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:53,520 There's also two textile projects for the future I-35 widening, which will be reimbursed 141 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,120 by the state. 142 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,800 Based on the results of the RFP, Massalanka was the highest evaluated score and it had 143 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:09,800 the lowest overall price, staff recommends a contract with them for $15.88 million. 144 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,480 Questions? 145 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:19,760 What was the budgeted amount? 146 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,920 The budget is based on the CIP, the total approved CIP budget, which is higher than 147 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,980 the $15.88 million. 148 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:33,120 This is just a service to install the transmission line. 149 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:39,720 I got you, but you had a CIP and you had a budget, that's what you went in with. 150 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,520 Maybe I'll go back here. 151 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:42,520 I missed it. 152 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,520 There it is. 153 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,520 The right-hand column there. 154 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Yeah. 155 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:48,520 Okay. 156 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,520 Yeah. 157 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,520 That was easy. 158 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,280 That was a good answer. 159 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Can you explain the TMPA connection here? 160 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,720 Yes, due to our TOP agreement, we're required to do all the construction for TMPA projects 161 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:03,720 in the area. 162 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,920 That's why these projects are included. 163 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:15,680 TMPA, pardon the probably stupid question, is still a viable entity even with the closing 164 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:17,560 of Givens Creek. 165 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,640 Yes, sir. 166 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,040 They still operate transmission facilities here in the Denton area. 167 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,040 Okay. 168 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,080 Thank you. 169 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,260 All right. 170 00:10:29,260 --> 00:10:33,840 Any other questions? 171 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,160 Do we have a motion to approve this item? 172 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,160 I move. 173 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Thank you, Ed. 174 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Do we have a second? 175 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,160 Second. 176 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,160 Thank you. 177 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,160 All in favor, say aye. 178 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,160 Aye. 179 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,160 Item carries. 180 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:56,520 The next item is consider recommending the adoption of an ordinance to execute a contract 181 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:10,160 with Hammett Excavation Incorporated for the amount of $3,247,947.84. 182 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,280 Welcome Barbara. 183 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,400 Thank you. 184 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Good morning, Madam Chair, members of the board. 185 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,040 My name is Brian Burner, Solid Waste Director with the City of Denton. 186 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,840 I'll be sharing a presentation here. 187 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:34,560 All right. 188 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:38,360 We are looking to construct a new cell at the City of Denton landfill. 189 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,120 We're about a year from having our current cell filled up completely. 190 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,600 And we need the additional capacity under our existing operational permit to safely 191 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,120 environmentally appropriately manage the material that's coming into the landfill. 192 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,520 The purpose of this is to actually construct and build that next cell under our current 193 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,520 permit. 194 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,360 We're really defined the need of the landfill. 195 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,160 So review the process of identifying the contractors and the cost, and then providing a recommendation 196 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,920 to the board here today. 197 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:13,240 City of Dent operates a landfill located at 1527 South May Hill, currently has an operating 198 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,160 permit from the state of Texas, the MSW 1590A. 199 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,640 We are a regional facility that provides disposal capacity for local and area residents and 200 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,640 businesses. 201 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:29,560 We've been operating as a regional facility since this site opened back in the early '80s. 202 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:32,280 Current cell has approximately a year remaining. 203 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:42,080 And we need to prepare this permitted area for the location and management of the waste 204 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,920 that is coming into the facility. 205 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:51,840 This is a 23-acre site, and what we'll be doing is actually excavating down to the appropriate 206 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:52,840 clay system. 207 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,120 We'll be re-compacting the clay that's in the area, creating a liner, pursuing it to 208 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,760 our permit, which includes a 60-mil smooth and double-textured geomembrane, recovering 209 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,000 that with a geonet and two feet of protective soil cover. 210 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,840 So basically, we're building a bathtub that all the material will be contained within, 211 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,760 and we'll be able to monitor and manage the material and the liquids as appropriate under 212 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,440 state and federal guidelines. 213 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:23,200 We put together our engineer of record, Park Hill Consultants, formerly known as Park Hill 214 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,760 Smith and Cooper, put together a request for proposal force under bid 5740. 215 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,880 It was put out on the street at the end of November. 216 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,200 We sent the request to approximately, excuse me here, this should have been changed, but 217 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:44,480 to, excuse me, pull that number up, to a little over 400 companies. 218 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,200 We had five responses on December 29, 2020. 219 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:55,840 Lowest responsive company identified was Hammett Excavation for a cost of $3.2 million and 220 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,720 a total construction time of 233 days. 221 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,680 We do recommend awarding to Hammett. 222 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:07,340 They've got significant experience constructing not only landfills and landfill liner systems, 223 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:11,000 but also other heavy equipment and excavation work. 224 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,400 With that, I'll be able to answer any questions you might have regarding the request today. 225 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,400 Questions? 226 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,120 I have a question. 227 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:26,600 I'm just curious, how many further expansions are allowed under the current permit? 228 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,140 We have two more cells that have to be constructed. 229 00:14:29,140 --> 00:14:37,840 If you'll allow me to go back to my presentation, I can show you where those are. 230 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:51,040 Just a second here. 231 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,240 Currently if you can see my cursor, this area just to the east. 232 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:02,640 This cell and this little triangle area here is approximately 13 acres that would still 233 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,480 need to be developed after this was full. 234 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,800 Based on our current guidelines and time and fill record, based on the tonnage that we 235 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:18,280 have, we have a little more than 13 years remaining in the current permitted area. 236 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Okay. 237 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:22,560 Thank you very much. 238 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,560 You're welcome. 239 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,560 Any other questions? 240 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,920 I have a question. 241 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:40,200 We allow other, who all dumps into these cells? 242 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,040 We are a regional facility and have been since we opened since the early 80s. 243 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,200 So basically the city of Denton and then anyone else who wants to pay to dispose of material 244 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,200 here. 245 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,560 So the mom and pop that lives in the county wants to bring material here or any other 246 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:02,240 commercial or private business that may want to haul the material across and pay either 247 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,480 a negotiated rate or the gate rate to bring it across the scale. 248 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:14,000 Are there any other cities that bring their waste here? 249 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,520 Most other cities in the area have a contracted service. 250 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:23,300 So excuse me, the city does not haul directly unless it's sludge. 251 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:30,040 Most of the other cities through their contracted disposal company, it may be CWD, Republic 252 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,760 Frontier, a company like that, but that's where the material would come in. 253 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:50,000 What part of it, the items that are dumped out there, would you say these entities comprise 254 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,600 10% of what goes in there? 255 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:04,800 No, it's approximately 50% of the waste that comes into the city of Denton is, is, is disposed 256 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:10,160 of by a third party or a resident that does not live within the city of Denton. 257 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,240 So approximately half the waste is coming into the city itself. 258 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,640 And again, whether that's a direct haul or whether it's through one of these companies. 259 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:25,480 I didn't realize it was that high. 260 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:38,400 That's very discerning, isn't it? 261 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:44,400 Especially when we only have 13 years left in the current permitted area. 262 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:50,960 I remember our previous discussion when we were approving a sort of established contract 263 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:56,160 with I think three entities that were going to be bringing or had brought stuff in. 264 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:04,080 The justification for having those contracts signed was so we would have a reliable budget. 265 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,700 We would know how much we were going to be making. 266 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:10,800 Is there a financial incentive for accepting outside waste? 267 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,720 Yes, there is. 268 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,440 You know, city of Denton has accepted outside waste since we've opened, it's, you know, 269 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,680 in, you know, about 1980 at this site. 270 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,600 Part of what happened until we signed these contracts, these waste and revenues were not 271 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,720 guaranteed. 272 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,640 So we were, you know, at the whim of the third party contractor and actually at the whim of 273 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 the market, if they could find a place that was closer and cheaper, then they would take 274 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,240 it there. 275 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,480 By putting these contracts into place, it did a couple of things. 276 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,320 First of all, as you said, it guaranteed revenue. 277 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:49,240 So we could know from year to year how much from a contracted standpoint we would have. 278 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:55,040 And if we had long term debt, which really this was put into place to help cover an offset, 279 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,760 some outstanding debt that we had, it would do that. 280 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:03,440 But secondarily, it provides rate relief for city of Denton residents. 281 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:10,240 You may remember over the past couple of years, we were able to reduce the rates to our customers 282 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,560 to the tune of almost right at $4 a month. 283 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,000 And that is directly tied to the third party waste that's coming in. 284 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:26,600 Those are fixed cost entity, whether we handle a ton of waste, whether we handle a thousand 285 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,600 tons of waste. 286 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,760 We have to have a minimum number and amount of equipment and personnel on the site pursuant 287 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:37,120 to our contract or pursuant to our permit with the state. 288 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:43,560 What we do at that point is try to maximize the tonnage, which minimizes the cost. 289 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:50,360 You know, a thousand divided by one is a lot higher than a thousand divided by ten thousand. 290 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:55,760 And that's really what we're trying to do is to minimize the cost, but really help the 291 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,480 residents by supplementing the cost that they are paying. 292 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:07,240 There's a theory that if we run out of landfill space that that will increase the cost tremendously 293 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,240 as well. 294 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,240 That is true. 295 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,240 That is true. 296 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,520 So, you know, it's kind of like the farmer. 297 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:17,120 You don't want to eat your seed corn, but again, you need to be able to sell your excess 298 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:22,800 growth so that you can fund and actually, you know, pay your bills from year to year. 299 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:28,760 So that's really what we're trying to do here is to maintain cost, keep costs low, but really 300 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,200 manage the material and the space that we have. 301 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:41,440 I think this points out the necessity of establishing some sort of compost program, especially for 302 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:47,080 food waste, given the amount of food waste that is currently coming to the landfill and 303 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,560 will obviously over the years increase. 304 00:20:52,560 --> 00:21:01,960 So I figure that anything we can do to lengthen the landfills lifetime with or without the 305 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,080 new permit that's coming in is going to be a benefit for everyone. 306 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,840 Yeah, I appreciate that statement, and that's really one of the pieces that we're looking 307 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,400 at under our current comprehensive solid waste management strategy is, you know, if it is 308 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,840 deemed appropriate as a result of our waste characterization and the information that 309 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,440 we're getting back from our surveys and our think tank, then how do we go about implementing 310 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:32,440 one that's not only effective, but also, you know, cost beneficial to the residents as 311 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,440 we move forward. 312 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,160 So that's what we're looking at, and hopefully, you know, here shortly, we'll be able to start 313 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,120 significant discussions to that end. 314 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:48,880 I welcome that, and thank you, and I think I sent you some information about Austin's 315 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:56,480 program as well, which is they've just expanded to over 200,000 residents, so it is very doable. 316 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,480 Thank you. 317 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,600 Okay, and we need to stay to the confines of this contract now. 318 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,460 Do we have a motion to approve? 319 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:07,920 Oh, yes, Barbara. 320 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:16,320 You're on mute. 321 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,480 Can't hear you, Barbara. 322 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,480 Okay. 323 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,880 Now, do it again. 324 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,880 You're back on mute. 325 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,920 Okay. 326 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,880 I've been hearing presentations on this for a while, and I realize that it's a delicate 327 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:36,640 balance that you're trying to achieve, and the technology seems to be getting better 328 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:44,840 and better all the time with the recycle and things that we're using, so, and I know you're 329 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:50,160 being diligent about watching this because we want to keep the prices down, but we want 330 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,600 to have a landfill that lasts us forever, so I appreciate you keeping an eye on that 331 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:04,560 and trying to make it so it's economically a good thing and also just takes care of cleaning 332 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,560 us up. 333 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,880 So, anyway, thank you very much, Brian, I appreciate your explanations. 334 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,880 You're welcome. 335 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,880 Thank you. 336 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,880 All right. 337 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,360 Do we have a motion to approve this item? 338 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,680 Answer group motioning. 339 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,480 Billy, are you the second? 340 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,480 Second. 341 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,440 All in favor, say aye. 342 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,440 Aye. 343 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,440 Opposed? 344 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,440 Aye. 345 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,440 Motion carries. 346 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,440 Okay. 347 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,440 Thank you. 348 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,200 Hold a public hearing and consider recommendation of the adoption of an ordinance for the City 349 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:42,000 of Denton, Texas, amending the provisions of Chapter 26, Utilities Article 5, indirect 350 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,040 discharge into sanitary water systems of the City's Code of Ordinances, providing for 351 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,720 severability clause and providing for savings clause and providing penalty and providing 352 00:23:53,720 --> 00:24:18,100 codification and providing for publication and an effective date. 353 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:26,360 Thank you. 354 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:51,380 This morning about which one, sorry, sorry, technical difficulties here. 355 00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:52,600 Let me start all over again. 356 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,160 My name is Deborah Vieira, I'm with Environmental Services and I will be presenting this morning 357 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:04,440 about the proposed changes to sub-Tapter 26 of the Code of Ordinances regarding the City's 358 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:11,760 Industrial Retreatment Program. 359 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:21,160 The National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System, also known as NPDES, under the auspices 360 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:30,600 of EPA, requires any control authority of any public-owned treatment work, also known 361 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:36,900 as wastewater treatment plans, that receive discharges from industrial users to establish 362 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:39,940 an industrial pretreatment program. 363 00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:47,200 As the owner of the Pecan Creek Water Reclamation Plan, the City has its own industrial pretreatment 364 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:53,460 division for the purpose of protecting the collection system, the wastewater treatment 365 00:25:53,460 --> 00:26:00,200 plan, the biosolids, and the receiving streams, I'm sorry, and the stream receiving the effluent 366 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:06,900 from the wastewater treatment plan itself. 367 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:14,420 Any industrial use that is considered significant must be permitted and inspected by the City. 368 00:26:14,420 --> 00:26:25,040 Those that are considered significant and categorical, they are required to actually 369 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:31,600 take samples themselves, test them, and send us reports on a regular basis about what the 370 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,240 levels are, the discharges are. 371 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:42,360 By any chance any of those discharges exceeds the limits established by EPA, we follow up 372 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:53,880 with an inspection and more sampling, making sure that they return back on their compliance. 373 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,920 In 2005, the EPA made some changes to the industrial pretreatment, also known as the 374 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,160 streamlining rule. 375 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:12,200 That rule's main purpose was to actually reduce any overall technical and administrative burden 376 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,960 without eliminating any of the existing protections that we provide to the environment. 377 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,720 Even though the regulation was coined as a streamlining because that's where most of 378 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:34,840 the changes are intended to accomplish, it also added some more stringent regulations 379 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,860 to the pretreatment program, making the regulations even better. 380 00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:44,480 Hey Deborah, excuse me, this is Tony, would you mind advancing your slides, I don't know 381 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,160 if you're keeping up? 382 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:52,560 No, we are still in that slide, Tony. 383 00:27:52,560 --> 00:28:07,920 We are talking about the stringent requirements and we will be touching on flexibility. 384 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,840 One of the changes that actually are making the regulation more stringent and better for 385 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:25,200 the environment is that right now, any industrial user would have to provide a control plan 386 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,560 for any accidental discharges or slogs that can actually cause interference at the wastewater 387 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,560 treatment plant. 388 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:38,800 It will also provide for the first time a language that prohibits the delusion of discharges 389 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:45,000 as a substitute for treatment, meaning that they are required to treat their effluent 390 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,800 no matter what and not just dilute it. 391 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:56,280 It also requires customer cities discharging into the Denton wastewater system to actually 392 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:03,200 adopt pretreatment ordinances that are at least as stringent as Denton, so in that way 393 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:11,640 they can enforce those regulations in their own cities before discharging into our system. 394 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:19,760 The regulation provides some flexibility and one of the things that people don't realize 395 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:27,840 is when you are a categorical discharger, you must test for a whole slew of pollutants 396 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,400 even though some of them are not part of your discharge. 397 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:40,400 So this regulation allows the city to actually reduce the amount of sampling for those regulations 398 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:47,880 that can prove that those pollutants are not part of the effluent and making them to continually 399 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:54,080 test for those because the results show that they are not detected because that pollutant 400 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,760 is not part of the effluent makeup. 401 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,820 This particular change will benefit a lot of the small and mid-size industrial users 402 00:30:04,820 --> 00:30:08,720 because they will not have to test for all that. 403 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:17,320 When you are dealing with a larger entity, that is not a significant cost for them, however 404 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:27,320 for the small and the mid-size, it is. 405 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:36,440 In 2005, as mentioned, EPA adopted the streamlining rule and that triggered all the states throughout 406 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:43,600 the nation to actually make changes to the state law to comply with the new 2005 streamlining 407 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,920 rule. 408 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,920 That took years. 409 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:55,600 In 2014, the city submitted to TCEQ our amendment to our permit to comply with that 2005 regulation 410 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:06,140 and in 2020, last year, around March, April, we got our first round of comments from TCEQ. 411 00:31:06,140 --> 00:31:12,160 We spend the remaining of the year going back and forth and making sure that we make any 412 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:18,440 necessary changes that TCEQ requested us to do and at the end of the year, we reached 413 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,680 the stage of technically complete. 414 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:30,280 Technically complete means that TCEQ deemed the city amendment to be aligned with EPA 415 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:37,340 2005 rule as well with TCEQ regulations and not further revisions are needed at this point 416 00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:39,920 for the final approval. 417 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:45,320 The last step that the city must complete is the adoption of our ordinance, adopting 418 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:57,960 those changes and providing the legal authority to the city to do any enforcement if necessary. 419 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,920 That's the part that we are presenting to you. 420 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:10,280 Exhibit 2 includes the clean version of the ordinance, exhibit 3 and 4, those are red 421 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:19,320 lines and comparison between the new and the old and the proposed code. 422 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:25,080 Last week, we went to the committee on the environment and they gave us the green light 423 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:31,040 to actually move forward and present to the full council the proposed changes. 424 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:38,440 So the public hearing at council at this point is scheduled to be March the 2nd and on March 425 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:46,280 19, the city will be submitting all the paperwork and/or before March 19, the city will be submitting 426 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:52,920 all the paperwork including the approved ordinance to TCEQ to finalize the process and that is 427 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,840 our deadline to meet with TCEQ. 428 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:03,360 At this point, that concludes me -- I'm sorry, the last slide will be the recommendation. 429 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:09,320 Staff is recommending approval of ordinance amending chapter 26, utilities article 5 about 430 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:16,720 indirect discharge into sanitary wastewater system of the city of the codes of ordinances. 431 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:24,160 At this point, staff concludes the presentation and is available to answer any questions. 432 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,080 Before we go into the public hearing, any questions from the board? 433 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,720 >> I have a question. 434 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,720 >> So does Barbara. 435 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,720 Go ahead. 436 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,920 >> I was just curious about the chronology. 437 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:46,720 Is this normal that it takes the TCEQ seven years to get this happening after the city 438 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:55,280 applied in 2014 and the final document isn't done until 2021 for an ordinance that was 439 00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,720 passed or an EPA regulation that was passed 16 years ago? 440 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,920 Is that how the red tape works? 441 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:11,560 >> Any permits that we have or we handle, we always deal with a couple of years of delay 442 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:19,320 by TCEQ, just keep in mind that when the 2005 amendment was made by EPA, it required the 443 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,520 entire nation to actually get up to speed on that. 444 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:31,560 So we are definitely on a delayed schedule, if you remember yourself. 445 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:38,560 However, we are excited to be where we are right now and very close to reaching the finish 446 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,560 line. 447 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,960 >> Thank you very much and I really appreciate all of your efforts. 448 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,880 >> Barbara, you had a question. 449 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,380 >> This is more about the presentation that we had to read. 450 00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:59,360 I found it very difficult to read what was sent to us instead of being a red line had 451 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,160 the column at the side of all the changes that you were making. 452 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,680 I found it difficult to read. 453 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,080 I don't know if that's the -- I just need to get used to it. 454 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:15,000 But you did have some documents that were red line, much easier to follow than the one 455 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:21,060 that we were sent this weekend. 456 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:25,400 >> When we had a meeting with the committee on the environment, some of the members gave 457 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,080 us specific instructions on how they like to see the revisions. 458 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,540 That's why we provided the clean version that was one of the attachments. 459 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:42,900 The following attachment was a red line version just -- and then the third version was a side 460 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:46,680 by side comparison just to meet one of the COE requirements. 461 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,760 So I tried to cater for all the desires. 462 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,880 >> I'll get used to it then. 463 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,640 >> That's the short answer, Barbara. 464 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,640 Any other questions? 465 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,640 All right. 466 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,760 Then we'll go into public hearing. 467 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:12,440 Does anybody wish to speak on this item? 468 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:19,320 Does anybody wish to speak on this item? 469 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,640 >> I'll speak. 470 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,080 >> Yes, go ahead, speak. 471 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,000 >> I'm in support of this. 472 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,240 And I think anything that we can do to continue to protect our watershed and water is something 473 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,300 that we should do. 474 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,080 >> And I'll ask for public comment one more time. 475 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,800 Anybody wish to speak on public comment? 476 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,560 All right. 477 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,960 With that, we'll close the public hearing. 478 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,160 Do we have a motion to recommend proceeding with this item? 479 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,240 >> I'm making a motion. 480 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,240 >> Thank you, Billy. 481 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,240 In a second? 482 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,240 Barbara's second. 483 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,280 All in favor, say aye. 484 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,280 >> Aye. 485 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,840 >> Okay, motion carries. 486 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,840 Thank you, Deborah. 487 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,840 >> Thank you. 488 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,840 Have a nice day. 489 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,840 >> Okay. 490 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:13,660 Last item is management reports. 491 00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:19,520 >> Madam Chair and members of the PB, in your backup, we did include the fourth quarter 492 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,040 of 2019-20 financial report. 493 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,120 Nick Vincent, I believe, is on the line. 494 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,680 If any member has any questions on that report, he'd be happy to kind of walk you through 495 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,520 any questions you may have. 496 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,680 >> I would just like to say we're in a very difficult year. 497 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,280 You've managed very well. 498 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,000 >> Yes, ma'am. 499 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,880 I think across the board, I think the city did a really good job of controlling expenditures 500 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,360 and I think that's really the bottom line. 501 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,720 I think across the board, all the funds are doing well. 502 00:37:52,720 --> 00:38:00,640 You know, in your new business items, I believe we have scheduled for March 8 an update to 503 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,800 you on the, you know, 2021 utility rates, budget, and fund balance, and just kind of 504 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,200 a wrap-up of '19-'20 as well. 505 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,840 And then the next item will be your new business action items. 506 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,280 Again, we have a number of items here that we're still kind of working through for you 507 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,280 on some requests. 508 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,800 Some of them had to do with solid waste, and again, we're working on that comprehensive 509 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,000 solid waste management strategy and, you know, hope to be coming back to you soon, you know, 510 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,040 later this year to have a discussion with you and the council on that. 511 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:41,120 And then we also have an outstanding question for DME. 512 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:48,600 We're hoping that this week and to get with staff and make sure that we get that back 513 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,520 on your schedule and address that question on the solar installations. 514 00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:01,040 But with that, that's all the management reports, unless any member has any questions on or requests 515 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,040 on those. 516 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,400 Just I think a few notes. 517 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:15,960 I did that one item that I asked about putting the budget source on that would probably be 518 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,800 more appropriate here. 519 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,080 >> We can add that on here, Billy. 520 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,080 >> Okay. 521 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:29,080 I'm sure, you know, Ed brought up a lot of points, good points about the -- and Karen 522 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,800 as well about the planning of the landfill. 523 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:38,400 I assume you're putting together some strategy reports for the future. 524 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,360 >> Yes, sir. 525 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,360 We're working with an outside consultant on that comprehensive solid waste management 526 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,920 study and will be coming back to you with just a comprehensive review. 527 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:54,160 And again, I know there's a lot of interest on the solid waste or the food diversion program. 528 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,320 And so we'll try to address all that together after we've gone through that process. 529 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,440 I'll be later this year. 530 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,480 >> I just wanted to put them in the appropriate place. 531 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,480 >> Yes. 532 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,480 >> Yes, sir. 533 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,480 >> Okay. 534 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,480 Thank you. 535 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,480 >> All right. 536 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,480 Concluding items. 537 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,320 Does any board member or staff have any comments or requests? 538 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,520 Yes, Barbara, you're on mute. 539 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,320 >> Okay. 540 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,480 I have a request. 541 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:35,640 When we get something to study and read and it's real estate related, sometimes it's hard 542 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:41,760 to read the plat that you sent us or you give us the legal description. 543 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,200 Could you just locate it for us if we want to drive out and take a look? 544 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,780 We could. 545 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:54,720 We had something a couple weeks ago that I called in and I found, you know, we figured 546 00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:01,420 out where it was so I could go look and I know you can -- you may not always have a 547 00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:08,000 street address but you can give a locale that you can go out and find it instead of just 548 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,840 the legal or a plat that just has easements and things across it. 549 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,280 I would really appreciate that. 550 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:22,320 >> I'll have a discussion with our real estate folks and see if we can get you a better description 551 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,600 of the physical address or coordinates for those locations. 552 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,960 >> What about the R number, Barbara, would that help? 553 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,960 >> Sure. 554 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,400 Then I could go and look it up, if I -- 555 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,400 >> Okay. 556 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,400 Very good. 557 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,400 >> All right. 558 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,400 Any other comments? 559 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,400 >> Yeah. 560 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,920 I'd just like to take a point of personal privilege. 561 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,320 I just want to let everybody know this is going to be my last meeting with the PV and 562 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,520 I will be leaving the city at the end of the month and heading to Fort Worth and moving. 563 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,360 I just want to let everybody know. 564 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,680 >> What are you doing? 565 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,720 >> New chapter. 566 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:04,720 >> Yeah. 567 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,600 >> Who are you going to work for? 568 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,600 >> I'm sorry? 569 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,600 >> Who are you going to work for? 570 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,600 >> I'll send out the information at the end of the month. 571 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,600 It's a 24-person firm over there. 572 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,600 >> Okay. 573 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,600 Going back to the private sector. 574 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,600 >> Yes. 575 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,600 >> Well, good luck, Larry. 576 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,600 >> I appreciate it. 577 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,600 >> You've been great. 578 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,600 >> Yes, you will be missed. 579 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,600 >> Yeah. 580 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,600 Thank you for everything you've done, Larry. 581 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:27,800 >> And I want to introduce Katherine Clifton. 582 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,200 Katherine, you want to pop your screen up. 583 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,200 >> Hi, Katherine. 584 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,200 >> Hi, Katherine. 585 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,200 >> Where is she? 586 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,200 >> Hi, everyone. 587 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,200 >> She's up here now. 588 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:45,200 Katherine is one of the two new first assistants in the office and she's going to be stepping 589 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,080 in my role here on an interim basis until they see who's going to be doing all the utility 590 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,080 work. 591 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,080 So, I just want to introduce her. 592 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,080 But it's been a pleasure. 593 00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:02,200 I've been here through a lot of change in the city and what's going on, but it's a time 594 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,920 for a new chapter in the life of my wife and I. 595 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,240 She's looking forward to, like told Susan Parker, being near a central market and a 596 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,240 Trader Joe's. 597 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:18,280 >> Yeah, it's just not quite big enough yet, are we? 598 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,160 >> All right, well, any other items? 599 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,200 Do we have a motion to adjourn? 600 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,200 >> So moved. 601 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,760 >> So moved. 602 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,760 We are adjourned. 603 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,760 >> Thank you, everyone. 604 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,760 >> Bye. 605 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,160 >> Thank you.