WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.000 >> Good morning. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:16.000 Welcome to the committee on the 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:20.000 environment I will open the 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.000 meeting at 9.08 a.m. on 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.000 February 1st. 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:26.000 The first item is item 1A 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.000 receive nominations and elect 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.000 a member of the committee. 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:36.000 Is this something you particularly want? 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.000 >> I was about to nominate you and 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:40.000 throw you right under the bus. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.000 >> I will take it. 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.000 I don't know why I would like to do it. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.000 It only gives you the task of paying 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.000 attention to the agenda closely. 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.000 But that's fine. 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.000 In which case, I accept. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.000 I better look up the agenda so I can 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.000 read the items. 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.000 I will let staff team up. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:01.000 Give me a moment. 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.000 Yes, I accept. 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.000 I suppose we have to have a vote now. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.000 >> I will move appointment of Paul 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.000 Meltzer as chair. 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.000 >> Okay. 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:16.000 And let's collectively ask all in 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.000 favor to say aye. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.000 >> Aye. 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.000 >> Okay. 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.000 I'm now the chair. 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.000 And I will -- you need to give me a 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.000 moment to call off the agenda. 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.000 >> There's also the vice chair. 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.000 >> Oh, okay. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:41.000 We could make Connie do it. 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.000 I mean, that's not bad. 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:46.000 It's good when you're a new member to 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.000 at least have a reason to kind of, you 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.000 know, learn the process. 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.000 I nominate Connie for vice chair. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.000 >> I'll second that. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:58.000 That's just fine. 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.000 >> All in favor? 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.000 >> Aye. 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.000 >> Aye. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.000 It's going to be interesting when he 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.000 finds out that he won. 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.000 So, yeah, I apologize. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:13.000 I decided to use my tablet for the 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.000 video access. 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.000 And therefore I don't have it for 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.000 showing you the agenda. 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.000 >> Okay. 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:37.000 Let's take a two-minute recess. 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.000 Have we not been on during the whole 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.000 approval of the minutes? 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.000 >> Kim is double-checking. 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.000 >> Okay. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.000 We have approval to keep going. 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.000 From Billy. 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.000 So we'll take that. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.000 All right. 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:57.000 Kathryn Barnett, sustainability manager. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.000 And we've talked about the flooding of 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.000 the green belt. 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.000 And we have an opportunity to 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.000 participate with the core. 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:15.000 So I'm going to pull up my presentation. 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.000 >> Can you all see that? 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.000 >> Yes. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.000 >> So we had a meeting on site with 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.000 Texas parks and wildlife, the core of 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.000 engineers, the green belt alliance and 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.000 some other stakeholders. 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.000 And the core of engineers throughout the 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.000 idea of the continuing authorities 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:37.000 program, to participate in the program, 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.000 the city would need to just send a 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.000 letter to the Fort Worth district 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.000 requesting evaluation of the flooding 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.000 along the green belt corridor. 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.000 It's a pretty good program. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:56.000 They come in and they study why it's 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.000 flooding and meant to be a pretty short 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.000 study. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.000 So the logjam, we were out there to look 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.000 at the logjam removal that really didn't 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.000 help our bigger issue. 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.000 They only removed 500 yards south of the 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.000 bridge and everything. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.000 You can still see the silt and the sand 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.000 bars if you look south of the bridge, if 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.000 you've driven out there. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.000 So that's when the idea, we were walking 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:20.000 the trail and looking and that's when the 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.000 idea of this cap program came up. 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.000 So it supports the smaller community 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.000 projects without a lengthy study, funding 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.000 for flood risk management, ecosystem 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.000 restoration, erosion control. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.000 It does not require congressional 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.000 authorization, so it's all done here at 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.000 the Fort Worth district, which is a nice 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:43.000 speedy process usually. 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.000 And it's a cost share basis with the 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:50.000 sponsoring agency. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.000 Brings in, they like to do the 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.000 multipurpose projects, so the green belt 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.000 already qualifies for that because it has 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.000 the recreation, it has the flood control, 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:04.000 it connects Louisville and Ray Roberts. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.000 And I mean everybody's already partnered 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:08.000 in it one time to get it going, so nobody 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.000 wants to see it flooded for the rest of 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.000 its existence. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.000 The great thing about it is phase one is 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.000 funded 100% up to 100,000 by the Corps of 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.000 Engineers. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.000 If it went over 100,000, then it would be 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:29.000 a 50/50 cost share. 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.000 They do a pre-assessment with the first 50 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 of that 100,000, and the parties get to 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.000 determine if they want to go forward 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.000 after that 50,000. 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.000 If it looks like it's going to be a bigger 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.000 problem, you can just say no, we don't 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.000 want to do it, we're not going to move 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:44.000 forward from here. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.000 The Corps can say that, the city can say 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.000 that, the sponsoring agency can determine 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.000 whether or not they want to go ahead and 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.000 complete the feasibility after phase one. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.000 So after they do the pre-assessment, 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.000 that's when any cost share documents 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.000 would be developed. 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.000 And like I said, after 100,000, it would 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.000 be 50/50 with the partner agency. 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.000 So if it's cost prohibitive, everybody 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:10.000 can choose not to move forward. 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.000 So the $100,000 from the Corps, the city 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.000 of Denton can be the lead partner, but we 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.000 can also bring in other agencies to 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:19.000 partner. 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.000 Texas Parks and Wildlife, since they're 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.000 responsible for maintenance, would be an 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.000 option. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.000 The Green Belt Alliances said that they 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.000 would be interested in helping raise 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:30.000 funds for this. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.000 They've been very successful with 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.000 fundraising for projects on the Green 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.000 Belt in the past. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.000 So if we needed anything for the 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.000 feasibility study, I feel like we could 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:41.000 get the partners for that. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.000 And then if the project is feasible, then 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.000 you can always bring in additional 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.000 partners for the non-federal funding 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:48.000 share. 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.000 And we've done in-kind for several of our 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.000 Corps projects in the past as well. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.000 So either a little bit of construction 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.000 work or when we built the Clear Creek 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:02.000 wetlands, we did some work out there as 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:08.000 in-kind for our contribution. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.000 So today I'm just seeking 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.000 recommendation from the Committee on the 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.000 Environment to proceed to counsel to 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.000 talk about a letter of request for the 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:24.000 feasibility study. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:29.000 Do you want to take it down now? 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.000 Ripper 10, any discussion? 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.000 I mean, I guess my question would be, is 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.000 there any downside that I don't see any 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.000 based on what's been presented? 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.000 You know, we're not obligated to more 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.000 than we can do. 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:44.000 We get to make decisions. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.000 It all points along the way about money 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.000 and commitment. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.000 And it seems like a great idea to me. 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.000 I'm similarly inclined. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.000 The one question I have in the back of my 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.000 mind is whether there's anything kind of 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.000 counterintuitive about flooding. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:02.000 It's just a question I think worth asking 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.000 early. 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.000 You know, when I grew up, we heard forest 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.000 fires, the worst thing in the world. 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.000 I've got Smokey the Bear, only you can 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.000 prevent forest fires. 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.000 Then we, you know, as time went on, we 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.000 started hearing more about actually you 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.000 need a certain amount of forest fires 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.000 for the forest to operate properly. 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.000 And I just wonder, is there anything like 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.000 that that we're missing? 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.000 You know, the benefit of the green belt 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.000 is when it's accessible is the opportunity 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.000 to appreciate nature, not to, you know, 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.000 bend into our wishes. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.000 Is there anything sort of beneficial? 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.000 I mean, the flooding may well be a 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:43.000 manmade, probably is, manmade effect of 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.000 the creation of the lake in the first 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:46.000 place. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.000 But I'm just asking the question, is 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.000 there a beneficial effect of it being 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.000 flooded so that maybe ideally our 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:57.000 recreation should be kayaking there or 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:58.000 something? 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.000 And/or could that question be taken up 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:06.000 as part of the study? 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.000 Anything sort of beneficial about it? 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.000 We've had that discussion with the Corps 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.000 of Engineers and with the Interested 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.000 Parties because the area was intended to 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.000 be flooded from time to time by the Corps 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.000 of Engineers. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.000 It's floodplain and floodway. 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.000 It's just gotten to the extent where 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.000 it's underwater for a lot longer than 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.000 was ever intended. 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:34.000 So there's some theories that because 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.000 the two lakes are so close that there's 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:39.000 more opportunity for the silt to build 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.000 up in that part of the stream. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:42.000 And that could be part of the problem. 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.000 We just don't have as much flood storage 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.000 within the stream. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.000 So it may be expanding one of the wetlands 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.000 there to hold more water. 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.000 So I think that what we would end up 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.000 with hopefully would be a project that 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.000 could create more habitat and still make 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:03.000 the area available for recreation. 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.000 Well, I'm glad that the topic has been 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:06.000 evaluated. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:12.000 I would just ask that, you know, since 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.000 this is a committee on the environment, 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:18.000 you know, that the -- yeah, that the 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.000 environmental -- that we don't go into it 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.000 narrowly with a specific result in mind 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.000 that Kat is going to be involved in this 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:29.000 meeting, you know, that we periodically 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.000 just re-ask the question. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:35.000 It's, you know, about the environmental 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.000 impact rather than the goal. 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.000 You know, if you get my drift. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:42.000 I do. 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.000 And we had some stakeholders that would 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.000 have preferred all of the logs to be 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.000 removed all the way down to Lake Louisville. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:49.000 But that's fishing habitat. 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.000 So the Corps definitely wasn't in favor 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:52.000 of that. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:58.000 So it is a talking point along the way. 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:00.000 One other question. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.000 Were the restrooms going to be rebuilt? 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.000 Is that part of the concept? 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:10.000 The restrooms were installed in 2018. 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.000 And they're one of the packaged concrete 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:13.000 restrooms. 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.000 So they'll have to be completely cleaned. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.000 I don't know how much the rehab on that's 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.000 going to be now. 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:23.000 Is that -- is that part of what's done? 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.000 It's part of Texas Parks and Wildlife. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.000 They did have the funding to rehab that 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.000 area, but chose not to move forward with 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.000 the project because of the continued 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:34.000 flooding. 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:38.000 But, I mean, if -- you know, if we manage 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.000 through this group to address that, would 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:46.000 we also then, you know, hope to see them 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:47.000 restored? 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:48.000 Absolutely. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:51.000 Absolutely. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.000 Anything further, Jesse? 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.000 Not for me. 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.000 So I'll entertain a motion. 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.000 I'll move -- well, let me get the item in 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.000 front of me so I know how to word it. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.000 Sorry. 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.000 I move that we recommend to council 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.000 joining the request for the continuing 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.000 authorities program. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:16.000 I'll second. 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.000 All in favor? 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:18.000 Aye. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.000 You have your direction. 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.000 Thank you. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:24.000 Okay. 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.000 Moving on to item D, receive a report and 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.000 hold a discussion on the summary of 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.000 greenhouse gas management and seek 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:35.000 direction on new and existing GHG 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:49.000 management projects. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:50.000 Okay. 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.000 Good morning, council members. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.000 James Douglas, conservation programs 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:55.000 coordinator. 00:12:55.000 --> 00:13:00.000 Let me get the presentation pulled up. 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:16.000 All right. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:17.000 All right. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.000 And how's that for everybody? 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:20.000 Visible. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.000 Perfect. 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:23.000 All right. 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.000 So here today to give a brief review of 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.000 where we're at today with the greenhouse 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.000 gas management program. 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.000 And then really here today to seek some 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.000 guidance on the timeline moving forward. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.000 So today's presentation is really going 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:42.000 to be two parts. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.000 Like I said, we'll have a brief review of 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.000 the background, the tools that we use, and 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.000 the timeline so far to date. 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:54.000 And then as we move into some recent 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.000 updates, some of these will potentially 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.000 impact how we move forward with the 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:00.000 program. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:02.000 And so we're, as I said, really seeking 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.000 that guidance for the next few months as 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.000 we move forward. 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.000 Just briefly, some background definitions. 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.000 So the two main definitions that kind of 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.000 guide what we do. 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.000 Greenhouse gas emissions are source 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.000 identified gases that treat trap heat and 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.000 earth's atmosphere. 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.000 And the three that we really focus on for 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.000 the purposes of our management program is 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.000 carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrogen 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.000 dioxide. 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.000 The second definition there is carbon 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.000 equivalence, which is the metric that we 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.000 take a look at, and it's the relative 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.000 warming potential of each one of those 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.000 gases as they relate to carbon dioxide. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:42.000 And so an example of that would be 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.000 methane's carbon equivalent is 28 when 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.000 you take into consideration the time 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.000 period of 100 years. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:51.000 Just as some background, many cities, both 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.000 nationally and internationally, have 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.000 identified greenhouse gas reduction as a 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.000 means of local and global environmental 00:14:58.000 --> 00:14:59.000 improvement. 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.000 And the next bit there in italics is 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.000 really the local portion. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:06.000 And so greenhouse gas emissions are a 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.000 wide-reaching environmental metric. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.000 And basically what we mean by that is it 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.000 overlaps with a lot of different things 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:14.000 that we take a look at, everything from 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.000 energy conservation to transportation 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:20.000 when we're looking to find an apples to 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.000 apples metric. 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.000 Greenhouse gases really kind of fit the 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:27.000 bill there. 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.000 I wanted to just briefly mention how it 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.000 relates to the recently adopted 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:34.000 sustainability framework. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.000 So chapter two is air quality and 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.000 greenhouse gas management. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.000 And goals three, four, and six are 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.000 really what we're kind of here to talk 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.000 about today in terms of setting reduction 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.000 targets, annually updating the greenhouse 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.000 gas inventory and contribution analysis, 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.000 which I'll touch on. 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.000 And creating a greenhouse gas mitigation 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.000 plan is goal six, and that's a little bit 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.000 later in the future. 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.000 So briefly, the tools that we use are all 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.000 three tools are under the overarching 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.000 umbrella of the ClearPath management 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.000 software, and that's provided to us 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.000 through ICLEI. 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.000 The greenhouse gas inventory is what we 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.000 conduct annually, and that's the 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.000 quantification of carbon emissions. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.000 We do that for both the municipal entity 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.000 and the community as a whole, and those 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.000 are in three scopes, direct, consumption, 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.000 and indirect. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.000 The contribution analysis, which we'll 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:30.000 see in the timeline, was introduced 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.000 recently, and that estimates the change 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.000 from year to year and helps us better 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.000 analyze that data. 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.000 And most recently, we introduced the 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.000 forecasting tool, which estimates carbon 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.000 emissions based on forecasted data sets 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.000 and also things like estimated population 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.000 growth, housing growth, things of that 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.000 nature. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.000 So here's the timeline so far to date, 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.000 and we started doing the inventories 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.000 annually in 2015-2016, and as you can see 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.000 in 2018 is when we really started to 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.000 introduce those extra tools that are 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.000 going to help us bring the program 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:12.000 forward over the next couple years. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:15.000 Once again, just a brief summary to date. 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.000 You can see there the increasing 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.000 emissions on the municipal side but the 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.000 decreasing emissions on the community 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.000 side, and then we also have the pie 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.000 charts there indicating what the major 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:37.000 sectors of those different scopes are. 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.000 So that was just a brief summary of 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.000 where we are so far, a bit of review. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.000 We did want to mention these recent 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.000 updates, which will really guide us as 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.000 we move forward. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:54.000 So the first one, of course, is the start 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.000 of the Citizen Sustainability Advisory 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:00.000 Council, and so we feel that this is a 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.000 topic under the umbrella of the 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.000 sustainability framework that will more 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.000 than likely be of interest to that group. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.000 And so the -- I'll get into it on the 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.000 next slide, but the current plan is to 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:16.000 give a similar presentation to them at 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.000 the start of that group. 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:21.000 We do have that updated forecasting 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.000 information, so that was our most recent 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:25.000 task with the program from the Committee 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.000 on the Environment was to get that 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.000 updated forecasting information and 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.000 present some options for the target 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.000 setting, and so that analysis has been 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.000 completed, and we are looking to summarize 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.000 that and bring that forward during our 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.000 next presentation, and once again just 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.000 continuing with the regional greenhouse 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.000 gas inventory, and so as you know, the 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.000 inventory lags a year behind, and so 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.000 we'll be starting up the 2020 inventory 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.000 here over the next month, and so we will 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.000 have that data within the next four to 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:05.000 five months to present as well. 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:08.000 So the next steps, once again just to 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.000 continue with the inventory and 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.000 contribution analysis annually to keep 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.000 us most up to date on that data. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.000 The target setting and the updated 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:22.000 forecasting information is slated to be 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.000 the follow-up presentation to this, so 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.000 that can potentially take place in March 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.000 or April, and we're really seeking 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.000 recommendations on that timeline. 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.000 So as I said, we want to give a very 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:37.000 similar presentation to this, to the 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.000 Sustainability Advisory Council just to 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.000 bring everybody up to date and on the 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.000 same page, and so I'm really just 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.000 seeking guidance on that timeline 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:50.000 moving forward, and then looking really 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.000 at that target setting presentation as 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.000 sort of the next step for the program, 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.000 and with that I will take questions and 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:07.000 pull the slides down. 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:11.000 I thought that was informative. I didn't 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.000 have any additional questions or no 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.000 concerns about sending it forward to the 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:19.000 Sustainability Advisory Committee. I 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.000 think it may be useful to put a little 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.000 extra detail in when you speak with them 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.000 just because we're really accustomed to 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:28.000 all the terms, and we've seen them many 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:31.000 times, but it would be helpful for them 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:34.000 to know kind of the full toolkit we've 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.000 got available because they'll have lots 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:38.000 of questions. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:40.000 For sure, and I think we definitely 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.000 wanted to do that. We know it'll be a 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.000 two-step sort of the review and 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:46.000 bringing everybody up to date on the 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.000 first hand, and then sort of the new 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.000 materials on the second one, and so kind 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.000 of two separate meetings there looking 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.000 at the timeline moving forward was 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.000 our thought process. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.000 Well, you know, if the analysis is 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:03.000 complete, I'm incredibly eager to dig 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.000 into the detail. I think it is probably 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:09.000 worth maybe thinking aloud a little 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.000 between us and both of them on the 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.000 difference between what this committee 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.000 would do and what we would task the 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.000 citizen committee to do. You know, the 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.000 work that needs to be done, in my 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:31.000 opinion, is to look at the same time at 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:35.000 possible goals along with sets of 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:39.000 tactics that would attach to those 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:42.000 different goal levels so that, you know, 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:47.000 we're looking for desirable and feasible 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:49.000 and so that, you know, we're kind of 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.000 choosing the goals, you know, with our 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.000 eyes open about where do we need to get 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.000 to and do we see a path to get there. 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:01.000 And I would see the sustainability 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:06.000 advisory council as being tasked with 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:10.000 really fleshing out policy proposals, you 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:13.000 know, under each of the kind of 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:18.000 generalized tactics. I think the goal 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:21.000 setting, I don't know, I teed up for 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.000 conversation in terms of like, you know, 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.000 is it that we set a goal and then they 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.000 go, that's a completely inadequate goal 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.000 or, you know, do you have any thoughts 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.000 on that? About how to differentiate 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.000 between the roles? You know, I kind of 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.000 think of it as analogous to the airport 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.000 committees. You know, the airport 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.000 committees, the advisory committee is 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.000 primarily stakeholders, you know, and the 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.000 council members may or may not be 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.000 stakeholders in a particular way. You 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.000 know, I don't have an aircraft and I 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.000 don't really use the airport much, but 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.000 it's in my district and as an economic 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.000 development driver, so I have an 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.000 interest in it. The folks on the 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:09.000 sustainability committee are generally 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.000 more knowledgeable than I am, I think, 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:14.000 once we get them all appointed up on 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.000 whether it's greenhouse gas goals or 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.000 whether it's, you know, emissions 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.000 generally or waste management, all those 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.000 sorts of things. So having them kind of 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.000 distilling things down for us a little 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:28.000 bit, maybe. So maybe it's actually 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:31.000 sort of starts, you know, starts with 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.000 them and then comes back to us to anyway. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.000 Yeah, I kind of think so because like if 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:38.000 you think about an airport lease 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.000 question, they don't get to decide 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.000 anything on the airport advisory 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.000 committee, but they get to talk about it 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.000 because they all, they're familiar with 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.000 the players out there, they're familiar 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.000 with the tenants and the historical 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.000 roles and all that kind of stuff, and 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.000 they can, they give really good input at 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.000 the ground level. Yeah, so we want the 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.000 advisory committee to advise on, right, 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:03.000 imagine that, on an appropriate goal 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:08.000 with the knowledge of the implied, you 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.000 know, set of actions that would go with 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:13.000 that, and then we can kind of take it 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.000 from there. Yeah, yeah, and then we kind 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.000 of come up here to the legislative level 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.000 and say, well, gosh, man, the budget 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:23.000 implications, or the, you know, whatever 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:25.000 the different concerns are at the 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:28.000 council level, and then make a 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.000 recommendation forward to the full 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:35.000 council. Yeah. Does that give you 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:38.000 direction? Yep, absolutely, and 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.000 especially specific to this item, and I 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.000 think Catherine will touch a little bit 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.000 on the committee as well later, and so I 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.000 think that's good insights for that as 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.000 well. Do you need anything else from us 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.000 at this point on this item? Nope, I think 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.000 that was, that was perfect, so I think, I 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:59.000 think we'll... All right, well, thank you 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.000 very much, and yeah, I can't think of 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.000 anything more important or that will 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:09.000 have bigger implications for this 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.000 committee than that, so I'm super 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.000 interested in seeing that move forward 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.000 as soon as we can get the committee in 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.000 place. So let's move on to item E, 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.000 Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.000 on Updates and Energy Reporting for 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.000 State Senate Bill 241. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:34.000 This is actually me again, so I'm just 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.000 going to switch presentations here. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:53.000 All right, so for this presentation, we're 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.000 looking to give a little bit of history 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.000 and background on the past iterations of 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.000 Senate Bill 241 and then obviously talk 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:04.000 about this iteration starting here in 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.000 2019. We're going to go over Denton's 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.000 reporting history and talk about some new 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.000 initiatives and partnerships that have 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:14.000 come along with this iteration of the 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.000 bill. We'll talk about the requirements 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.000 and then we will seek guidance on a 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.000 resolution for an energy reduction 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.000 target, which is part of those 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:31.000 requirements. So just a little background 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:37.000 here, this Senate Bill 241 began in 2001 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.000 as Senate Bill 5. It is a state Senate 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.000 bill and the goal is to reduce air 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.000 emissions associated with electricity 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.000 consumption in ozone non-attainment 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.000 areas and so it does only apply to those 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.000 counties that are in ozone non-attainment 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.000 or near non-attainment. It's administered 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.000 by the State Energy Conservation Office, 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.000 so they're the overseeing entity there, 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.000 and it requires that government entities 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.000 and public entities submit energy 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.000 consumption data on an annual basis and 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.000 establish a target to reduce energy 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.000 consumption annually, and it also 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.000 encourages options for improved energy 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.000 efficiency through education mechanisms 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.000 and things like that. So this just goes 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.000 over the different iterations of the 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:34.000 bill. So it was updated in 2007, 2011, 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.000 and 2019 as well, each with a different 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.000 bill number there, and then this most 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.000 recent one was adopted in September of 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:50.000 2019. So once again, this is an 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.000 environmentally based piece of 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.000 legislation and a tool for air quality 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.000 improvement. Based on the reports that 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.000 were collected in 2018, an estimated 1.3 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.000 tons of NOx were reduced through the 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.000 program reporting, and NOx, of course, 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.000 is an ozone precursor, and so that's why 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.000 that is a pollutant of interest for the 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.000 ozone non-attainment. On the right-hand 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.000 side here, we have a flow chart that just 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.000 shows you the flow of data, and so local 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.000 governments take that energy report, that 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.000 annual report, and they send that to the 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:26.000 State Energy Conservation Office. It's 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.000 then passed to Texas A&M Energy Systems 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:31.000 Laboratory for further analysis. So 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:34.000 they'll do things such as weather 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:39.000 normalization and basically processing 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.000 the electricity data and converting that 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:46.000 into the air quality metrics that 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.000 they're looking for. They'll pass that 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:53.000 information to the TCEQ, and they will 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.000 then use that as a part of their biennial 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.000 report for the Texas emissions reductions 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.000 plan, and so that's the one that they 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.000 give to the Texas legislature. And so it 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.000 does have a bit of a journey, but these 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.000 reports ultimately do influence future 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:16.000 policy. So Denton has reported the 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.000 energy consumption data to CECO every 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.000 year since the bill started in 2001. 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.000 During the last iteration of the bill, 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:29.000 which was Senate Bill 898, from the 2011-2012 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.000 timeframe, Denton saw an annual 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.000 average reduction in electricity 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:38.000 consumption of 3.75 percent, and so you 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:45.000 can see those values there. So here are 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.000 some of the changes and improvements 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.000 that are associated here in 2020 with 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:54.000 Senate Bill 241. On the right-hand side 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.000 in the graph here, we can see how many 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.000 reports were submitted to the State 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.000 Energy Conservation Office by local 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:02.000 governments in each of the following 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.000 years. You can see a jump there in 2019. 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.000 This is in part due to some new 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.000 partnerships from the State Energy 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.000 Conservation Office, so they partnered 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.000 with the North Central Texas Council of 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.000 Governments as well as the South Central 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.000 Partnership for Energy Efficiency as a 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.000 resource. It's known as SPEAR, and so 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.000 those two groups did a lot of outreach 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.000 and education to local governments in 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.000 all of the different ozone non-attainment 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.000 areas, and so a real increase in 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.000 reporting there, which is beneficial to 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.000 all of us as we get that increased 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.000 data, beneficial for the region as well. 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.000 2020 also saw the addition of increased 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.000 data collection. Now, these are all 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.000 optional data that you can include, 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.000 including water, natural gas, EV 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.000 charging, and renewable energy. The bill 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.000 refers specifically to electricity 00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.000 consumption, but that doesn't give a 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.000 real complete picture of energy usage as 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.000 a whole, and so even things like water 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.000 and wastewater have energy consumption 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.000 from pumping and things like that, and 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.000 so to get a real full picture of what 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.000 the energy profile looks like, it's 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.000 beneficial to include those optional 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.000 data sources, and so that's what we've 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:27.000 done there for the 2020 report. And then 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.000 this is also what's known as a baseline 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.000 year, and so the reports that are 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.000 submitted from now until 2026 at the 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:43.000 end of the legislation will all be 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.000 compared to this baseline report from 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:53.000 the 2020 calendar year. So just 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.000 summarizing the SB 241 requirements, 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.000 completing the annual report of energy 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.000 consumption from government facilities, 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.000 and then once again the optional 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.000 reporting there for those different 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.000 categories, and then the last one is to 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.000 establish a target to reduce electricity 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.000 consumption by 5% annually, starting 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.000 with the baseline year following the 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.000 September 2019 implementation, and so 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.000 the 2020 calendar year was the first 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.000 full year following the passing of that 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.000 bill, and so that will serve as the 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:32.000 baseline year when we set that target. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.000 And so we're seeking recommendation to 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.000 draft a resolution for the Denton City 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.000 Council to establish that target to 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.000 reduce electricity consumption by 5% 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.000 annually, and attached in your backup is 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.000 also a copy of the resolution that was 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.000 passed back in 2011-2012 for the 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.000 previous iteration of the bill, which was 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.000 that Senate Bill 898. And so we're just 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:03.000 looking for recommendation to draft 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.000 similar language and bring that to the 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.000 Denton City Council. And I will take 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.000 questions. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.000 Pratap? 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.000 I'm still kind of formulating if you have 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.000 one ready to go. 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:24.000 Well, I have a few. The core one I have 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:29.000 is just, you know, Wi-Fi. Is there a 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.000 particular goal that we're trying to get 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.000 to over a certain amount of time, and is 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.000 that attached to something, or is it just 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.000 sort of, you know, a plausible sounding 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.000 number? It's less than 10. It's more than 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.000 nothing. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.000 It has been five since they added that 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.000 requirement. I'm not sure what the 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.000 initial logic was behind the 5%, but it 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.000 has been historically. That has been the 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.000 target to set. 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.000 I mean, personally, I don't find that, 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.000 you know, a compelling rationale. I 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.000 don't reject it, you know, the number. 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.000 I just, I would think we could take the 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.000 opportunity to have a more thoughtful 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.000 goal that's more defensible. Otherwise, 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.000 how do you debate it, you know, when it 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.000 goes to council? What are the merits of 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.000 five? I mean, we can say reduction is a 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:30.000 good thing, but, you know, just, yeah, I 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.000 would be interested in more of a rationale 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.000 where we're trying to get to by when, by. 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000 And we can ask those questions of some of 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.000 the educating partner organizations that 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.000 we have some pretty regular contact with 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.000 them, so we can definitely bring that up. 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.000 And I think that will, you know, pay off 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:52.000 in the next presentation to council when 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.000 that's in the backup or in the presentation. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.000 And then I'll pause to check back in with 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:02.000 Pro Tem, if you've got something you want to. 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.000 No, I thought that was a good, that was 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.000 kind of my core question as well. I mean, 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.000 I see where the number came from, but 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.000 what's behind the number? And, you know, 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.000 we've done similar resolutions and in due 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.000 course over the years. So I don't, I certainly 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.000 don't have any problem recommending that 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.000 same resolution again to council, but I 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.000 agree. I think that'll be the questions. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.000 Like, well, wait a minute, where'd this 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.000 number come from? Why is it our good 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.000 number that we like? 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:30.000 And then the, thank you. Then the other 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.000 question I want to ask is about the data 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:38.000 gathering. Is there an opportunity or any 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.000 benefit to some kind of community 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:46.000 involvement in local monitoring or, you 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.000 know, where through community education 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.000 and involvement we can kind of enrich 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.000 the date, the tracking on usage is, would 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.000 that be? 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.000 So the tracking of this data is just the 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.000 extrapolation of if government 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.000 facilities, so government buildings, reduce 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.000 their electricity consumption by X 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.000 amount and then. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.000 And the goal is government usage? 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.000 Yes, this is, yes, this, this is only 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.000 related to public entities and their 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.000 direct usage. 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:24.000 Okay, that answers that. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.000 I don't know what you're, you probably 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.000 said it, but I apologize if I didn't 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.000 register what the deadline is on this. 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.000 Do we have an opportunity to, you know, 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.000 to hear back on the point you raised 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.000 earlier before you go to council? 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:41.000 Yes, so the previous resolution is 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.000 covered through 2021, and so this one 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.000 will go through 2026 when adopted. 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.000 Okay. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.000 That's all I have. 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.000 And let's see, you're just seeking 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.000 direction, right, there's not a, it's a 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:00.000 discussion. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.000 Correct. 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.000 We've done it, we've had the discussion. 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.000 All right, thank you. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.000 So let's pretend if you have anything 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.000 else, unless I'll move to the next item. 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.000 No, sir, I'm good. 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.000 Okay, thank you. 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.000 Thanks. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.000 Let's move on to item F, receiver 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.000 report, hold the discussion and give staff 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.000 direction on the proposed industrial 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.000 pretreatment streamlining permit. 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.000 Okay, thank you. 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.000 Okay, thank you. 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.000 Okay. 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:57.000 Oh, you're on mute, Deborah. 00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.000 Now, better. 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.000 Yep. 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.000 Okay. 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.000 You're audible. 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.000 Thank you. 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.000 Good morning. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.000 Members of the committee on the 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.000 environment. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:08.000 My name is Deborah Vieira. 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.000 I'm with environmental services and I 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.000 will be presenting to you about the 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.000 report. 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.000 report. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.000 report. 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.000 report. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.000 report. 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:42.000 report. 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.000 report. 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.000 report. 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.000 report. 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.000 report. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.000 report. 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.000 report. 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.000 report. 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:24.000 report. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.000 report. 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:34.000 report. 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.000 report. 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.000 report. 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:51.000 report. 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:56.000 report. 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.000 report. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.000 I will be presenting to you about 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00:41:35.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.000 report. 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.000 report. 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.000 report. 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.000 report. 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.000 report. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 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00:42:32.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.000 report. 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.000 report. 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.000 report. 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.000 report. 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.000 report. 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.000 report. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:05.000 report. 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:10.000 report. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.000 report. 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.000 report. 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.000 report. 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.000 report. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:37.000 report. 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:42.000 report. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:47.000 report. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.000 report. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.000 report. 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:04.000 report. 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:09.000 report. 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:14.000 report. 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.000 I will be presenting to you about the 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.000 report. 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.000 >> I don't have any questions. 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.000 I'm okay with sending it forward to 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:26.000 council. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.000 Once again, I think when it gets to 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.000 council, it might need a little more 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.000 detail on -- the full council won't be 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.000 very familiar with this permitting 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.000 process at all, I don't think. 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:42.000 >> Yeah, I would be patient and be 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.000 interested in -- particularly the 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:48.000 public who follows this meeting, getting 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.000 to hear some greater level of detail. 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.000 My underlying question is what 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.000 protections are being compromised, if 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.000 any, in the streamlining? 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.000 The purpose of the regulation is to 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.000 protect health and safety and 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.000 environmental quality. 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.000 I'm not especially motivated to 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.000 streamline removing of any protections. 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.000 I take it that's not the intent. 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:28.000 But I think it bears some inspection of 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.000 the detail to build confidence that 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.000 nothing is being lost. 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:41.000 >> The intent is just to eliminate any 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.000 administrative and technical burden. 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:50.000 One of the perfect samples is the 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.000 ability to eliminate any 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.000 administrative and technical burden. 00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:04.000 One of the perfect samples is it allows 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:09.000 the control authority of the POWs to 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.000 determine if a particular industry 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:17.000 doesn't have a pollutant as a part of 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.000 the discharge process, if they can 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.000 actually reduce the number of sampling 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.000 for that particular pollutant. 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.000 For example, just keep in mind that all 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.000 industries subject to pretreatment, they 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.000 have to self-monitor themselves, they 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:36.000 have to test and send those results to 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.000 the city, as well as the city actually 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.000 conducts those samplings. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.000 So in those instances, and there's a 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.000 whole slew of parameters that they have 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.000 to test for. 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.000 There's industries that they don't have 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.000 some of those pollutants as a part of 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:56.000 their processes, so they will never have 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.000 those present as a part of the discharge. 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.000 So these changes will allow the city to 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:06.000 determine after they have demonstrated 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.000 that those pollutants are not part of 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.000 the discharge, not to continue sampling 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.000 for it on a regular basis. 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.000 So they still have to demonstrate that 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:22.000 pollutant is not part of the effluent 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.000 makeup. 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.000 And then after that point, we will not 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.000 require them to keep sampling for 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.000 something that will not show up in their 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:32.000 effluent. 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.000 That's the typical example of some 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.000 technical redundancies that they have to 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.000 do. 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:41.000 Just keep in mind, those will benefit the 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:44.000 small and medium-sized industry, where 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.000 they don't have to keep doing the same 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.000 stuff because it is not present. 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.000 For the bigger companies, that's not a 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.000 big issue. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.000 The other things that allows is to 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.000 provide the flexibility on the sampling 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.000 techniques that some industry can use 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.000 that are more applicable to them and 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.000 easier to do. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.000 So again, they will still have to sample. 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.000 They will still have to report all the 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:11.000 results. 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.000 We will still have to go and sample 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.000 it ourselves to verify all that 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:17.000 information. 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.000 However, the techniques that they can 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.000 use will facilitate that process as 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:22.000 well. 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:26.000 >> Are the techniques less sensitive? 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.000 You know, the proposed new, more 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.000 permissive, streamlined techniques? 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:34.000 >> No, they are not. 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.000 It's just that allow them to use other 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.000 methodologies, and those methodologies 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.000 are not currently permitted. 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.000 >> Why are those methods not currently 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:47.000 permitted? 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.000 >> Well, it could be by the time that 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.000 the regulation was adopted, what was the 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.000 processes in place and what was the 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:00.000 industry used to perform. 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.000 It could be that new techniques have 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.000 developed and our new equipment have 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.000 been more sensitive, so therefore those 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.000 methodologies are now available and 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.000 acceptable to them. 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.000 >> So, you know, I would be interested 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.000 since we get another bite at the apple 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.000 since we're talking about sending this 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.000 to council, but my request would be that 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.000 as part of that presentation, that there 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.000 be a kind of side by side, what's in the 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.000 old, what's in the new, and rationale at 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.000 a fairly granular level. 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.000 So the public can see, you know, my 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.000 concern is even if it's -- my concern is 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.000 that there must be a reason that 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.000 something wasn't permitted. 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.000 If it's new, didn't exist before, that 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.000 would be persuasive, but if it's just 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.000 like something is maybe cheaper but 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:03.000 would not be as, you know, accurate or 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:06.000 protective, you know, I might look at 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:07.000 that differently. 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.000 So I assume that this is not asking for 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.000 anything new that you have all this, so 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.000 I would just request that that be sort 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.000 of laid out in a digestible side by side, 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.000 you know, format with old, new, and 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.000 rationale. 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.000 Is that all right? 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:24.000 >> Yeah. 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.000 Will the red line version of the 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.000 ordinance help you as well? 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.000 >> Not me. 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.000 It might help. 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.000 Might help someone else, but different 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.000 people absorb information differently. 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.000 So what I'm asking for, I think, works 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:44.000 for me and I think would be sort of 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.000 digestible by, you know, by others as 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:48.000 well. 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.000 >> Okay. 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.000 Will do. 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.000 >> I mean, I don't mean to be 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.000 steamrolling. 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:58.000 Pretend, I mean, as, you know, do you 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.000 have any objection to what I'm asking? 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.000 >> No. 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.000 I think that's a good question. 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.000 I'm one of those that a red line might 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:06.000 be kind of helpful. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.000 >> I was just looking at red lines. 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.000 >> But, yeah, and sometimes I catch 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.000 something in a red line that I don't 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.000 always catch in something more visual. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:18.000 >> It happens separately. 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.000 I offer up two options. 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.000 We say, okay, both. 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.000 >> Yeah. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.000 I think that would be very good 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.000 information going forward for council. 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.000 What are we doing differently? 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.000 And then, of course, the public, some 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.000 folks very interested in these topics 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.000 would ask us for exactly that 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:34.000 information. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:35.000 >> Will do. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:36.000 >> Okay. 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.000 Thank you very much. 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.000 I appreciate that. 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:39.000 That will involve some work. 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.000 I know you have the source material, 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.000 but it's work. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.000 So with that, I'll move on then to the 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.000 next item, which is item D, management 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:56.000 reports, action items, matrix. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.000 The matrix is included. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.000 There's three items there listed. 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.000 One of them does have a date in April 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.000 to come back, and the other two have 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.000 been on there for some time. 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.000 So I'm sure there's been previous 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.000 discussion, but we have staff 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.000 available if there's any questions on 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.000 those or if you'd like something added 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.000 to the matrix. 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.000 >> Rutan? 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.000 >> I don't have anything additional. 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.000 I'm eagerly awaiting that first one. 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.000 As we are in a lot of different 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.000 sectors of the city organization, so 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.000 the others, I'm just patient. 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.000 >> Yeah. 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.000 Me as well. 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:36.000 So let's move on to item H, which is 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:43.000 consideration of a meeting schedule. 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.000 I think we used to do these monthly. 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.000 Is there a reason why we would or 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.000 wouldn't do that? 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.000 >> I think we have -- I'm muted. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:55.000 No, I'm not. 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.000 Okay. 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.000 I think we have the virtual down, so 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.000 I think we're good to go monthly again. 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:03.000 Nine o'clock seems to work better 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.000 doing it before the luncheon rather 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.000 than after because we don't know what 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.000 time the luncheon will end. 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.000 So we don't have as much flexibility. 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:12.000 >> We know when it will begin. 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:14.000 >> Exactly. 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.000 >> I mean, that's fine with me. 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.000 Rutan? 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.000 >> Very well for me as well. 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.000 >> We'll check with Mr. Baker to make 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:23.000 sure. 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:24.000 >> Oh, no. 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.000 Majority here. 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:26.000 >> Oh, you're right. 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.000 >> Actually, you know, I don't mean 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.000 to be too light. 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.000 I really -- I don't know what his 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.000 obstacles were, and I hope he's okay. 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:37.000 So I'll just say that. 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.000 >> I think we already had a 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:40.000 scheduling conflict. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.000 >> Oh, okay. 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:42.000 Very good. 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.000 Well, that's everything, then. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:48.000 So with that, we will adjourn at 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.000 2 p.m. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.000 >> Thank you. 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.000 >> See you later. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.000 >> Bye. 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:53.000 >> Bye.