1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,000 >> Good morning. 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Welcome to the committee on the 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 environment I will open the 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 meeting at 9.08 a.m. on 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 February 1st. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 The first item is item 1A 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,000 receive nominations and elect 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 a member of the committee. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Is this something you particularly want? 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 >> I was about to nominate you and 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 throw you right under the bus. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 >> I will take it. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 I don't know why I would like to do it. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 It only gives you the task of paying 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 attention to the agenda closely. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 But that's fine. 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 In which case, I accept. 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 I better look up the agenda so I can 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 read the items. 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 I will let staff team up. 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Give me a moment. 22 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Yes, I accept. 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,000 I suppose we have to have a vote now. 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 >> I will move appointment of Paul 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Meltzer as chair. 26 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 >> Okay. 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 And let's collectively ask all in 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 favor to say aye. 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 >> Aye. 30 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 >> Okay. 31 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 I'm now the chair. 32 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 And I will -- you need to give me a 33 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 moment to call off the agenda. 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 >> There's also the vice chair. 35 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 >> Oh, okay. 36 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:41,000 We could make Connie do it. 37 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I mean, that's not bad. 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 It's good when you're a new member to 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 at least have a reason to kind of, you 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,000 know, learn the process. 41 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 I nominate Connie for vice chair. 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 >> I'll second that. 43 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 That's just fine. 44 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,000 >> All in favor? 45 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 >> Aye. 46 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,000 >> Aye. 47 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 It's going to be interesting when he 48 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 finds out that he won. 49 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,000 So, yeah, I apologize. 50 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,000 I decided to use my tablet for the 51 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 video access. 52 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 And therefore I don't have it for 53 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 showing you the agenda. 54 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 >> Okay. 55 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Let's take a two-minute recess. 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Have we not been on during the whole 57 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 approval of the minutes? 58 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,000 >> Kim is double-checking. 59 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 >> Okay. 60 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 We have approval to keep going. 61 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 From Billy. 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 So we'll take that. 63 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 All right. 64 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Kathryn Barnett, sustainability manager. 65 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,000 And we've talked about the flooding of 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 the green belt. 67 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 And we have an opportunity to 68 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,000 participate with the core. 69 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:15,000 So I'm going to pull up my presentation. 70 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,000 >> Can you all see that? 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,000 >> Yes. 72 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,000 >> So we had a meeting on site with 73 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Texas parks and wildlife, the core of 74 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 engineers, the green belt alliance and 75 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 some other stakeholders. 76 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 And the core of engineers throughout the 77 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 idea of the continuing authorities 78 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 program, to participate in the program, 79 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 the city would need to just send a 80 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 letter to the Fort Worth district 81 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 requesting evaluation of the flooding 82 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 along the green belt corridor. 83 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,000 It's a pretty good program. 84 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,000 They come in and they study why it's 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 flooding and meant to be a pretty short 86 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 study. 87 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 So the logjam, we were out there to look 88 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 at the logjam removal that really didn't 89 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 help our bigger issue. 90 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 They only removed 500 yards south of the 91 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 bridge and everything. 92 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 You can still see the silt and the sand 93 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 bars if you look south of the bridge, if 94 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 you've driven out there. 95 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 So that's when the idea, we were walking 96 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000 the trail and looking and that's when the 97 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,000 idea of this cap program came up. 98 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 So it supports the smaller community 99 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,000 projects without a lengthy study, funding 100 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,000 for flood risk management, ecosystem 101 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 restoration, erosion control. 102 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 It does not require congressional 103 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 authorization, so it's all done here at 104 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 the Fort Worth district, which is a nice 105 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000 speedy process usually. 106 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 And it's a cost share basis with the 107 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,000 sponsoring agency. 108 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Brings in, they like to do the 109 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 multipurpose projects, so the green belt 110 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,000 already qualifies for that because it has 111 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 the recreation, it has the flood control, 112 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:04,000 it connects Louisville and Ray Roberts. 113 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 And I mean everybody's already partnered 114 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 in it one time to get it going, so nobody 115 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 wants to see it flooded for the rest of 116 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 its existence. 117 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 The great thing about it is phase one is 118 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,000 funded 100% up to 100,000 by the Corps of 119 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Engineers. 120 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,000 If it went over 100,000, then it would be 121 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,000 a 50/50 cost share. 122 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,000 They do a pre-assessment with the first 50 123 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 of that 100,000, and the parties get to 124 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 determine if they want to go forward 125 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 after that 50,000. 126 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 If it looks like it's going to be a bigger 127 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,000 problem, you can just say no, we don't 128 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 want to do it, we're not going to move 129 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 forward from here. 130 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 The Corps can say that, the city can say 131 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 that, the sponsoring agency can determine 132 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 whether or not they want to go ahead and 133 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 complete the feasibility after phase one. 134 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,000 So after they do the pre-assessment, 135 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 that's when any cost share documents 136 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,000 would be developed. 137 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 And like I said, after 100,000, it would 138 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 be 50/50 with the partner agency. 139 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 So if it's cost prohibitive, everybody 140 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,000 can choose not to move forward. 141 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 So the $100,000 from the Corps, the city 142 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 of Denton can be the lead partner, but we 143 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 can also bring in other agencies to 144 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,000 partner. 145 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Texas Parks and Wildlife, since they're 146 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 responsible for maintenance, would be an 147 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 option. 148 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 The Green Belt Alliances said that they 149 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 would be interested in helping raise 150 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 funds for this. 151 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 They've been very successful with 152 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 fundraising for projects on the Green 153 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Belt in the past. 154 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 So if we needed anything for the 155 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 feasibility study, I feel like we could 156 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 get the partners for that. 157 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 And then if the project is feasible, then 158 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 you can always bring in additional 159 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 partners for the non-federal funding 160 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 share. 161 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 And we've done in-kind for several of our 162 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Corps projects in the past as well. 163 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,000 So either a little bit of construction 164 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 work or when we built the Clear Creek 165 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 wetlands, we did some work out there as 166 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:08,000 in-kind for our contribution. 167 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 So today I'm just seeking 168 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 recommendation from the Committee on the 169 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Environment to proceed to counsel to 170 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 talk about a letter of request for the 171 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:24,000 feasibility study. 172 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Do you want to take it down now? 173 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Ripper 10, any discussion? 174 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 I mean, I guess my question would be, is 175 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,000 there any downside that I don't see any 176 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 based on what's been presented? 177 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,000 You know, we're not obligated to more 178 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 than we can do. 179 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 We get to make decisions. 180 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 It all points along the way about money 181 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 and commitment. 182 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,000 And it seems like a great idea to me. 183 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 I'm similarly inclined. 184 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 The one question I have in the back of my 185 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,000 mind is whether there's anything kind of 186 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 counterintuitive about flooding. 187 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 It's just a question I think worth asking 188 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 early. 189 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,000 You know, when I grew up, we heard forest 190 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,000 fires, the worst thing in the world. 191 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 I've got Smokey the Bear, only you can 192 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 prevent forest fires. 193 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Then we, you know, as time went on, we 194 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 started hearing more about actually you 195 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,000 need a certain amount of forest fires 196 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 for the forest to operate properly. 197 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 And I just wonder, is there anything like 198 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,000 that that we're missing? 199 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 You know, the benefit of the green belt 200 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 is when it's accessible is the opportunity 201 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 to appreciate nature, not to, you know, 202 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 bend into our wishes. 203 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Is there anything sort of beneficial? 204 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 I mean, the flooding may well be a 205 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,000 manmade, probably is, manmade effect of 206 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 the creation of the lake in the first 207 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 place. 208 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 But I'm just asking the question, is 209 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,000 there a beneficial effect of it being 210 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 flooded so that maybe ideally our 211 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 recreation should be kayaking there or 212 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000 something? 213 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,000 And/or could that question be taken up 214 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,000 as part of the study? 215 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Anything sort of beneficial about it? 216 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 We've had that discussion with the Corps 217 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,000 of Engineers and with the Interested 218 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Parties because the area was intended to 219 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 be flooded from time to time by the Corps 220 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 of Engineers. 221 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 It's floodplain and floodway. 222 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,000 It's just gotten to the extent where 223 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 it's underwater for a lot longer than 224 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 was ever intended. 225 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:34,000 So there's some theories that because 226 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 the two lakes are so close that there's 227 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 more opportunity for the silt to build 228 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 up in that part of the stream. 229 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 And that could be part of the problem. 230 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,000 We just don't have as much flood storage 231 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 within the stream. 232 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000 So it may be expanding one of the wetlands 233 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,000 there to hold more water. 234 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,000 So I think that what we would end up 235 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 with hopefully would be a project that 236 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 could create more habitat and still make 237 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 the area available for recreation. 238 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Well, I'm glad that the topic has been 239 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 evaluated. 240 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:12,000 I would just ask that, you know, since 241 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 this is a committee on the environment, 242 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,000 you know, that the -- yeah, that the 243 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,000 environmental -- that we don't go into it 244 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 narrowly with a specific result in mind 245 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 that Kat is going to be involved in this 246 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 meeting, you know, that we periodically 247 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,000 just re-ask the question. 248 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,000 It's, you know, about the environmental 249 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 impact rather than the goal. 250 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,000 You know, if you get my drift. 251 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 I do. 252 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 And we had some stakeholders that would 253 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 have preferred all of the logs to be 254 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,000 removed all the way down to Lake Louisville. 255 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 But that's fishing habitat. 256 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 So the Corps definitely wasn't in favor 257 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 of that. 258 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,000 So it is a talking point along the way. 259 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 One other question. 260 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Were the restrooms going to be rebuilt? 261 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Is that part of the concept? 262 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,000 The restrooms were installed in 2018. 263 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 And they're one of the packaged concrete 264 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 restrooms. 265 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,000 So they'll have to be completely cleaned. 266 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 I don't know how much the rehab on that's 267 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 going to be now. 268 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Is that -- is that part of what's done? 269 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 It's part of Texas Parks and Wildlife. 270 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 They did have the funding to rehab that 271 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 area, but chose not to move forward with 272 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 the project because of the continued 273 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 flooding. 274 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 But, I mean, if -- you know, if we manage 275 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,000 through this group to address that, would 276 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,000 we also then, you know, hope to see them 277 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 restored? 278 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Absolutely. 279 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Absolutely. 280 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Anything further, Jesse? 281 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Not for me. 282 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 So I'll entertain a motion. 283 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 I'll move -- well, let me get the item in 284 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 front of me so I know how to word it. 285 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Sorry. 286 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000 I move that we recommend to council 287 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 joining the request for the continuing 288 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,000 authorities program. 289 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 I'll second. 290 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 All in favor? 291 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Aye. 292 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 You have your direction. 293 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Thank you. 294 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Okay. 295 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Moving on to item D, receive a report and 296 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 hold a discussion on the summary of 297 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 greenhouse gas management and seek 298 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,000 direction on new and existing GHG 299 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:49,000 management projects. 300 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Okay. 301 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Good morning, council members. 302 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,000 James Douglas, conservation programs 303 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000 coordinator. 304 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Let me get the presentation pulled up. 305 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:16,000 All right. 306 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 All right. 307 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 And how's that for everybody? 308 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Visible. 309 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Perfect. 310 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 All right. 311 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,000 So here today to give a brief review of 312 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 where we're at today with the greenhouse 313 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 gas management program. 314 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,000 And then really here today to seek some 315 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 guidance on the timeline moving forward. 316 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,000 So today's presentation is really going 317 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 to be two parts. 318 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Like I said, we'll have a brief review of 319 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 the background, the tools that we use, and 320 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,000 the timeline so far to date. 321 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,000 And then as we move into some recent 322 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,000 updates, some of these will potentially 323 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,000 impact how we move forward with the 324 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 program. 325 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 And so we're, as I said, really seeking 326 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 that guidance for the next few months as 327 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000 we move forward. 328 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Just briefly, some background definitions. 329 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 So the two main definitions that kind of 330 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,000 guide what we do. 331 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Greenhouse gas emissions are source 332 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 identified gases that treat trap heat and 333 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 earth's atmosphere. 334 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000 And the three that we really focus on for 335 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 the purposes of our management program is 336 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrogen 337 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000 dioxide. 338 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 The second definition there is carbon 339 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 equivalence, which is the metric that we 340 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 take a look at, and it's the relative 341 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 warming potential of each one of those 342 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 gases as they relate to carbon dioxide. 343 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 And so an example of that would be 344 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 methane's carbon equivalent is 28 when 345 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 you take into consideration the time 346 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 period of 100 years. 347 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Just as some background, many cities, both 348 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000 nationally and internationally, have 349 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 identified greenhouse gas reduction as a 350 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 means of local and global environmental 351 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 improvement. 352 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,000 And the next bit there in italics is 353 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 really the local portion. 354 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 And so greenhouse gas emissions are a 355 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 wide-reaching environmental metric. 356 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 And basically what we mean by that is it 357 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 overlaps with a lot of different things 358 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 that we take a look at, everything from 359 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 energy conservation to transportation 360 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,000 when we're looking to find an apples to 361 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 apples metric. 362 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Greenhouse gases really kind of fit the 363 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 bill there. 364 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000 I wanted to just briefly mention how it 365 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 relates to the recently adopted 366 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 sustainability framework. 367 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 So chapter two is air quality and 368 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 greenhouse gas management. 369 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 And goals three, four, and six are 370 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,000 really what we're kind of here to talk 371 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 about today in terms of setting reduction 372 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000 targets, annually updating the greenhouse 373 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,000 gas inventory and contribution analysis, 374 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 which I'll touch on. 375 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 And creating a greenhouse gas mitigation 376 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 plan is goal six, and that's a little bit 377 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,000 later in the future. 378 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,000 So briefly, the tools that we use are all 379 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 three tools are under the overarching 380 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 umbrella of the ClearPath management 381 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,000 software, and that's provided to us 382 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 through ICLEI. 383 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 The greenhouse gas inventory is what we 384 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 conduct annually, and that's the 385 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000 quantification of carbon emissions. 386 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000 We do that for both the municipal entity 387 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,000 and the community as a whole, and those 388 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,000 are in three scopes, direct, consumption, 389 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 and indirect. 390 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 The contribution analysis, which we'll 391 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 see in the timeline, was introduced 392 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 recently, and that estimates the change 393 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 from year to year and helps us better 394 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 analyze that data. 395 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000 And most recently, we introduced the 396 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,000 forecasting tool, which estimates carbon 397 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,000 emissions based on forecasted data sets 398 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 and also things like estimated population 399 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,000 growth, housing growth, things of that 400 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,000 nature. 401 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 So here's the timeline so far to date, 402 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,000 and we started doing the inventories 403 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,000 annually in 2015-2016, and as you can see 404 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 in 2018 is when we really started to 405 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 introduce those extra tools that are 406 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 going to help us bring the program 407 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:12,000 forward over the next couple years. 408 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Once again, just a brief summary to date. 409 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,000 You can see there the increasing 410 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000 emissions on the municipal side but the 411 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 decreasing emissions on the community 412 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,000 side, and then we also have the pie 413 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 charts there indicating what the major 414 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:37,000 sectors of those different scopes are. 415 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 So that was just a brief summary of 416 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,000 where we are so far, a bit of review. 417 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000 We did want to mention these recent 418 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 updates, which will really guide us as 419 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 we move forward. 420 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,000 So the first one, of course, is the start 421 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 of the Citizen Sustainability Advisory 422 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Council, and so we feel that this is a 423 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 topic under the umbrella of the 424 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000 sustainability framework that will more 425 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,000 than likely be of interest to that group. 426 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000 And so the -- I'll get into it on the 427 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 next slide, but the current plan is to 428 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 give a similar presentation to them at 429 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 the start of that group. 430 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 We do have that updated forecasting 431 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000 information, so that was our most recent 432 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 task with the program from the Committee 433 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 on the Environment was to get that 434 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000 updated forecasting information and 435 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000 present some options for the target 436 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 setting, and so that analysis has been 437 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 completed, and we are looking to summarize 438 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 that and bring that forward during our 439 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 next presentation, and once again just 440 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000 continuing with the regional greenhouse 441 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 gas inventory, and so as you know, the 442 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,000 inventory lags a year behind, and so 443 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 we'll be starting up the 2020 inventory 444 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,000 here over the next month, and so we will 445 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,000 have that data within the next four to 446 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,000 five months to present as well. 447 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,000 So the next steps, once again just to 448 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 continue with the inventory and 449 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000 contribution analysis annually to keep 450 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 us most up to date on that data. 451 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 The target setting and the updated 452 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,000 forecasting information is slated to be 453 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 the follow-up presentation to this, so 454 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 that can potentially take place in March 455 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000 or April, and we're really seeking 456 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 recommendations on that timeline. 457 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000 So as I said, we want to give a very 458 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,000 similar presentation to this, to the 459 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Sustainability Advisory Council just to 460 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 bring everybody up to date and on the 461 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,000 same page, and so I'm really just 462 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,000 seeking guidance on that timeline 463 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,000 moving forward, and then looking really 464 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,000 at that target setting presentation as 465 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,000 sort of the next step for the program, 466 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000 and with that I will take questions and 467 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:07,000 pull the slides down. 468 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000 I thought that was informative. I didn't 469 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000 have any additional questions or no 470 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 concerns about sending it forward to the 471 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Sustainability Advisory Committee. I 472 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 think it may be useful to put a little 473 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 extra detail in when you speak with them 474 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 just because we're really accustomed to 475 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 all the terms, and we've seen them many 476 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 times, but it would be helpful for them 477 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 to know kind of the full toolkit we've 478 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 got available because they'll have lots 479 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,000 of questions. 480 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 For sure, and I think we definitely 481 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000 wanted to do that. We know it'll be a 482 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 two-step sort of the review and 483 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,000 bringing everybody up to date on the 484 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000 first hand, and then sort of the new 485 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 materials on the second one, and so kind 486 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000 of two separate meetings there looking 487 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 at the timeline moving forward was 488 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,000 our thought process. 489 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Well, you know, if the analysis is 490 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,000 complete, I'm incredibly eager to dig 491 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 into the detail. I think it is probably 492 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,000 worth maybe thinking aloud a little 493 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 between us and both of them on the 494 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 difference between what this committee 495 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,000 would do and what we would task the 496 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 citizen committee to do. You know, the 497 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 work that needs to be done, in my 498 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:31,000 opinion, is to look at the same time at 499 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,000 possible goals along with sets of 500 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,000 tactics that would attach to those 501 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 different goal levels so that, you know, 502 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,000 we're looking for desirable and feasible 503 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000 and so that, you know, we're kind of 504 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 choosing the goals, you know, with our 505 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 eyes open about where do we need to get 506 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000 to and do we see a path to get there. 507 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,000 And I would see the sustainability 508 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,000 advisory council as being tasked with 509 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,000 really fleshing out policy proposals, you 510 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,000 know, under each of the kind of 511 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,000 generalized tactics. I think the goal 512 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,000 setting, I don't know, I teed up for 513 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,000 conversation in terms of like, you know, 514 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 is it that we set a goal and then they 515 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000 go, that's a completely inadequate goal 516 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,000 or, you know, do you have any thoughts 517 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000 on that? About how to differentiate 518 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 between the roles? You know, I kind of 519 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,000 think of it as analogous to the airport 520 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000 committees. You know, the airport 521 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,000 committees, the advisory committee is 522 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000 primarily stakeholders, you know, and the 523 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 council members may or may not be 524 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,000 stakeholders in a particular way. You 525 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000 know, I don't have an aircraft and I 526 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 don't really use the airport much, but 527 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 it's in my district and as an economic 528 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 development driver, so I have an 529 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,000 interest in it. The folks on the 530 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,000 sustainability committee are generally 531 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000 more knowledgeable than I am, I think, 532 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000 once we get them all appointed up on 533 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 whether it's greenhouse gas goals or 534 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000 whether it's, you know, emissions 535 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000 generally or waste management, all those 536 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 sorts of things. So having them kind of 537 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 distilling things down for us a little 538 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,000 bit, maybe. So maybe it's actually 539 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 sort of starts, you know, starts with 540 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,000 them and then comes back to us to anyway. 541 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Yeah, I kind of think so because like if 542 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 you think about an airport lease 543 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 question, they don't get to decide 544 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 anything on the airport advisory 545 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 committee, but they get to talk about it 546 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 because they all, they're familiar with 547 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000 the players out there, they're familiar 548 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000 with the tenants and the historical 549 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 roles and all that kind of stuff, and 550 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 they can, they give really good input at 551 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 the ground level. Yeah, so we want the 552 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,000 advisory committee to advise on, right, 553 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000 imagine that, on an appropriate goal 554 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,000 with the knowledge of the implied, you 555 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000 know, set of actions that would go with 556 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 that, and then we can kind of take it 557 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,000 from there. Yeah, yeah, and then we kind 558 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000 of come up here to the legislative level 559 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000 and say, well, gosh, man, the budget 560 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000 implications, or the, you know, whatever 561 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 the different concerns are at the 562 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,000 council level, and then make a 563 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000 recommendation forward to the full 564 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:35,000 council. Yeah. Does that give you 565 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,000 direction? Yep, absolutely, and 566 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 especially specific to this item, and I 567 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000 think Catherine will touch a little bit 568 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000 on the committee as well later, and so I 569 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 think that's good insights for that as 570 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000 well. Do you need anything else from us 571 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,000 at this point on this item? Nope, I think 572 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000 that was, that was perfect, so I think, I 573 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,000 think we'll... All right, well, thank you 574 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000 very much, and yeah, I can't think of 575 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,000 anything more important or that will 576 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000 have bigger implications for this 577 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000 committee than that, so I'm super 578 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 interested in seeing that move forward 579 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 as soon as we can get the committee in 580 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000 place. So let's move on to item E, 581 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion 582 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000 on Updates and Energy Reporting for 583 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 State Senate Bill 241. 584 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:34,000 This is actually me again, so I'm just 585 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 going to switch presentations here. 586 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:53,000 All right, so for this presentation, we're 587 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000 looking to give a little bit of history 588 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000 and background on the past iterations of 589 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Senate Bill 241 and then obviously talk 590 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,000 about this iteration starting here in 591 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,000 2019. We're going to go over Denton's 592 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 reporting history and talk about some new 593 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000 initiatives and partnerships that have 594 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,000 come along with this iteration of the 595 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,000 bill. We'll talk about the requirements 596 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000 and then we will seek guidance on a 597 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 resolution for an energy reduction 598 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000 target, which is part of those 599 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,000 requirements. So just a little background 600 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,000 here, this Senate Bill 241 began in 2001 601 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 as Senate Bill 5. It is a state Senate 602 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000 bill and the goal is to reduce air 603 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 emissions associated with electricity 604 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000 consumption in ozone non-attainment 605 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 areas and so it does only apply to those 606 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000 counties that are in ozone non-attainment 607 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000 or near non-attainment. It's administered 608 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000 by the State Energy Conservation Office, 609 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 so they're the overseeing entity there, 610 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000 and it requires that government entities 611 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000 and public entities submit energy 612 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000 consumption data on an annual basis and 613 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000 establish a target to reduce energy 614 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,000 consumption annually, and it also 615 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000 encourages options for improved energy 616 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000 efficiency through education mechanisms 617 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,000 and things like that. So this just goes 618 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,000 over the different iterations of the 619 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:34,000 bill. So it was updated in 2007, 2011, 620 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 and 2019 as well, each with a different 621 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,000 bill number there, and then this most 622 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000 recent one was adopted in September of 623 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:50,000 2019. So once again, this is an 624 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000 environmentally based piece of 625 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 legislation and a tool for air quality 626 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000 improvement. Based on the reports that 627 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000 were collected in 2018, an estimated 1.3 628 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,000 tons of NOx were reduced through the 629 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 program reporting, and NOx, of course, 630 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000 is an ozone precursor, and so that's why 631 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000 that is a pollutant of interest for the 632 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000 ozone non-attainment. On the right-hand 633 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,000 side here, we have a flow chart that just 634 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000 shows you the flow of data, and so local 635 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 governments take that energy report, that 636 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 annual report, and they send that to the 637 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000 State Energy Conservation Office. It's 638 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 then passed to Texas A&M Energy Systems 639 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Laboratory for further analysis. So 640 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000 they'll do things such as weather 641 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,000 normalization and basically processing 642 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000 the electricity data and converting that 643 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 into the air quality metrics that 644 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000 they're looking for. They'll pass that 645 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,000 information to the TCEQ, and they will 646 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,000 then use that as a part of their biennial 647 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000 report for the Texas emissions reductions 648 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000 plan, and so that's the one that they 649 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,000 give to the Texas legislature. And so it 650 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000 does have a bit of a journey, but these 651 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 reports ultimately do influence future 652 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:16,000 policy. So Denton has reported the 653 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 energy consumption data to CECO every 654 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 year since the bill started in 2001. 655 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000 During the last iteration of the bill, 656 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,000 which was Senate Bill 898, from the 2011-2012 657 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,000 timeframe, Denton saw an annual 658 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000 average reduction in electricity 659 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000 consumption of 3.75 percent, and so you 660 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:45,000 can see those values there. So here are 661 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000 some of the changes and improvements 662 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 that are associated here in 2020 with 663 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Senate Bill 241. On the right-hand side 664 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 in the graph here, we can see how many 665 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 reports were submitted to the State 666 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Energy Conservation Office by local 667 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,000 governments in each of the following 668 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000 years. You can see a jump there in 2019. 669 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000 This is in part due to some new 670 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000 partnerships from the State Energy 671 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Conservation Office, so they partnered 672 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000 with the North Central Texas Council of 673 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Governments as well as the South Central 674 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000 Partnership for Energy Efficiency as a 675 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000 resource. It's known as SPEAR, and so 676 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 those two groups did a lot of outreach 677 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000 and education to local governments in 678 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000 all of the different ozone non-attainment 679 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000 areas, and so a real increase in 680 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000 reporting there, which is beneficial to 681 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 all of us as we get that increased 682 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,000 data, beneficial for the region as well. 683 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000 2020 also saw the addition of increased 684 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000 data collection. Now, these are all 685 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,000 optional data that you can include, 686 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 including water, natural gas, EV 687 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000 charging, and renewable energy. The bill 688 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 refers specifically to electricity 689 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000 consumption, but that doesn't give a 690 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000 real complete picture of energy usage as 691 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000 a whole, and so even things like water 692 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000 and wastewater have energy consumption 693 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000 from pumping and things like that, and 694 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,000 so to get a real full picture of what 695 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000 the energy profile looks like, it's 696 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 beneficial to include those optional 697 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000 data sources, and so that's what we've 698 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:27,000 done there for the 2020 report. And then 699 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000 this is also what's known as a baseline 700 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000 year, and so the reports that are 701 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,000 submitted from now until 2026 at the 702 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:43,000 end of the legislation will all be 703 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000 compared to this baseline report from 704 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:53,000 the 2020 calendar year. So just 705 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000 summarizing the SB 241 requirements, 706 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 completing the annual report of energy 707 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000 consumption from government facilities, 708 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,000 and then once again the optional 709 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000 reporting there for those different 710 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000 categories, and then the last one is to 711 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000 establish a target to reduce electricity 712 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000 consumption by 5% annually, starting 713 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000 with the baseline year following the 714 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000 September 2019 implementation, and so 715 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000 the 2020 calendar year was the first 716 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000 full year following the passing of that 717 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000 bill, and so that will serve as the 718 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,000 baseline year when we set that target. 719 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 And so we're seeking recommendation to 720 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 draft a resolution for the Denton City 721 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Council to establish that target to 722 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000 reduce electricity consumption by 5% 723 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 annually, and attached in your backup is 724 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,000 also a copy of the resolution that was 725 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,000 passed back in 2011-2012 for the 726 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000 previous iteration of the bill, which was 727 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,000 that Senate Bill 898. And so we're just 728 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,000 looking for recommendation to draft 729 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000 similar language and bring that to the 730 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000 Denton City Council. And I will take 731 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,000 questions. 732 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000 Pratap? 733 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000 I'm still kind of formulating if you have 734 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 one ready to go. 735 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Well, I have a few. The core one I have 736 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,000 is just, you know, Wi-Fi. Is there a 737 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000 particular goal that we're trying to get 738 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000 to over a certain amount of time, and is 739 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000 that attached to something, or is it just 740 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 sort of, you know, a plausible sounding 741 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 number? It's less than 10. It's more than 742 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000 nothing. 743 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000 It has been five since they added that 744 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 requirement. I'm not sure what the 745 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,000 initial logic was behind the 5%, but it 746 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000 has been historically. That has been the 747 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 target to set. 748 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000 I mean, personally, I don't find that, 749 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,000 you know, a compelling rationale. I 750 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000 don't reject it, you know, the number. 751 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000 I just, I would think we could take the 752 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,000 opportunity to have a more thoughtful 753 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 goal that's more defensible. Otherwise, 754 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000 how do you debate it, you know, when it 755 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000 goes to council? What are the merits of 756 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000 five? I mean, we can say reduction is a 757 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,000 good thing, but, you know, just, yeah, I 758 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 would be interested in more of a rationale 759 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000 where we're trying to get to by when, by. 760 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000 And we can ask those questions of some of 761 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,000 the educating partner organizations that 762 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 we have some pretty regular contact with 763 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 them, so we can definitely bring that up. 764 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 And I think that will, you know, pay off 765 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,000 in the next presentation to council when 766 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 that's in the backup or in the presentation. 767 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,000 And then I'll pause to check back in with 768 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Pro Tem, if you've got something you want to. 769 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000 No, I thought that was a good, that was 770 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000 kind of my core question as well. I mean, 771 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000 I see where the number came from, but 772 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000 what's behind the number? And, you know, 773 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 we've done similar resolutions and in due 774 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000 course over the years. So I don't, I certainly 775 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000 don't have any problem recommending that 776 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000 same resolution again to council, but I 777 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000 agree. I think that'll be the questions. 778 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Like, well, wait a minute, where'd this 779 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 number come from? Why is it our good 780 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 number that we like? 781 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,000 And then the, thank you. Then the other 782 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000 question I want to ask is about the data 783 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,000 gathering. Is there an opportunity or any 784 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,000 benefit to some kind of community 785 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,000 involvement in local monitoring or, you 786 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,000 know, where through community education 787 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000 and involvement we can kind of enrich 788 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,000 the date, the tracking on usage is, would 789 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 that be? 790 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,000 So the tracking of this data is just the 791 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000 extrapolation of if government 792 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000 facilities, so government buildings, reduce 793 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000 their electricity consumption by X 794 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000 amount and then. 795 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000 And the goal is government usage? 796 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000 Yes, this is, yes, this, this is only 797 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000 related to public entities and their 798 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000 direct usage. 799 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Okay, that answers that. 800 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 I don't know what you're, you probably 801 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000 said it, but I apologize if I didn't 802 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 register what the deadline is on this. 803 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000 Do we have an opportunity to, you know, 804 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000 to hear back on the point you raised 805 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000 earlier before you go to council? 806 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Yes, so the previous resolution is 807 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000 covered through 2021, and so this one 808 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,000 will go through 2026 when adopted. 809 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Okay. 810 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000 That's all I have. 811 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000 And let's see, you're just seeking 812 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,000 direction, right, there's not a, it's a 813 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,000 discussion. 814 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Correct. 815 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 We've done it, we've had the discussion. 816 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,000 All right, thank you. 817 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000 So let's pretend if you have anything 818 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000 else, unless I'll move to the next item. 819 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 No, sir, I'm good. 820 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Okay, thank you. 821 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000 Thanks. 822 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000 Let's move on to item F, receiver 823 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000 report, hold the discussion and give staff 824 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000 direction on the proposed industrial 825 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,000 pretreatment streamlining permit. 826 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000 Okay, thank you. 827 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Okay, thank you. 828 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Okay. 829 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,000 Oh, you're on mute, Deborah. 830 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000 Now, better. 831 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Yep. 832 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,000 Okay. 833 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,000 You're audible. 834 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,000 Thank you. 835 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Good morning. 836 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000 Members of the committee on the 837 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000 environment. 838 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000 My name is Deborah Vieira. 839 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000 I'm with environmental services and I 840 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000 will be presenting to you about the 841 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 842 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000 report. 843 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000 I will be presenting to you about the 844 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 845 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000 report. 846 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000 I will be presenting to you about the 847 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 848 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000 report. 849 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 I will be presenting to you about the 850 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 851 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000 report. 852 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000 I will be presenting to you about the 853 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 854 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000 report. 855 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000 I will be presenting to you about the 856 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 857 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000 report. 858 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000 I will be presenting to you about the 859 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 860 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000 report. 861 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000 I will be presenting to you about the 862 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 863 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000 report. 864 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000 I will be presenting to you about the 865 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 866 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000 report. 867 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000 I will be presenting to you about the 868 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 869 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000 report. 870 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 I will be presenting to you about the 871 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 872 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000 report. 873 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000 I will be presenting to you about the 874 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 875 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000 report. 876 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000 I will be presenting to you about the 877 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 878 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000 report. 879 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000 I will be presenting to you about the 880 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 881 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000 report. 882 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000 I will be presenting to you about the 883 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 884 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000 report. 885 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000 I will be presenting to you about the 886 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 887 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,000 report. 888 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000 I will be presenting to you about the 889 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 890 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000 report. 891 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 I will be presenting to you about the 892 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 893 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000 report. 894 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000 I will be presenting to you about the 895 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 896 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000 report. 897 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000 I will be presenting to you about the 898 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 899 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 report. 900 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 I will be presenting to you about the 901 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 902 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,000 report. 903 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000 I will be presenting to you about the 904 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 905 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000 report. 906 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000 I will be presenting to you about the 907 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 908 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000 report. 909 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000 I will be presenting to you about the 910 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 911 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000 report. 912 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000 I will be presenting to you about the 913 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 914 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000 report. 915 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000 I will be presenting to you about the 916 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 917 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000 report. 918 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000 I will be presenting to you about the 919 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 920 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,000 report. 921 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 I will be presenting to you about the 922 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 923 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000 report. 924 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000 I will be presenting to you about the 925 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 926 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000 report. 927 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 I will be presenting to you about the 928 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 929 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000 report. 930 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 I will be presenting to you about the 931 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 932 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000 report. 933 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000 I will be presenting to you about the 934 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 935 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 report. 936 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 I will be presenting to you about the 937 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 938 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000 report. 939 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000 I will be presenting to you about the 940 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 941 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000 report. 942 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000 I will be presenting to you about the 943 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 944 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,000 report. 945 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000 I will be presenting to you about the 946 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 947 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,000 report. 948 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000 I will be presenting to you about the 949 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 950 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000 report. 951 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000 I will be presenting to you about the 952 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 953 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,000 report. 954 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,000 I will be presenting to you about the 955 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 956 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000 report. 957 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,000 I will be presenting to you about the 958 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 959 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000 report. 960 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000 I will be presenting to you about the 961 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 962 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,000 report. 963 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000 I will be presenting to you about the 964 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 965 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000 report. 966 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000 I will be presenting to you about the 967 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 968 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000 report. 969 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000 I will be presenting to you about the 970 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 971 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,000 report. 972 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000 I will be presenting to you about the 973 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 974 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000 report. 975 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000 I will be presenting to you about the 976 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 977 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000 report. 978 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000 I will be presenting to you about the 979 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 980 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,000 report. 981 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000 I will be presenting to you about the 982 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 983 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000 report. 984 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000 I will be presenting to you about the 985 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 986 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,000 report. 987 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,000 I will be presenting to you about the 988 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 989 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,000 report. 990 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000 I will be presenting to you about the 991 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 992 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000 report. 993 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000 I will be presenting to you about the 994 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 995 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000 report. 996 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000 I will be presenting to you about the 997 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 998 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000 report. 999 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000 I will be presenting to you about the 1000 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 1001 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000 report. 1002 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000 I will be presenting to you about the 1003 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 1004 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000 report. 1005 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000 I will be presenting to you about the 1006 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 1007 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,000 report. 1008 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000 I will be presenting to you about the 1009 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 1010 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000 report. 1011 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,000 I will be presenting to you about the 1012 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 1013 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000 report. 1014 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000 I will be presenting to you about the 1015 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000 proposed changes to chapter 26 of the 1016 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000 report. 1017 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,000 >> I don't have any questions. 1018 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000 I'm okay with sending it forward to 1019 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000 council. 1020 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000 Once again, I think when it gets to 1021 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000 council, it might need a little more 1022 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000 detail on -- the full council won't be 1023 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,000 very familiar with this permitting 1024 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,000 process at all, I don't think. 1025 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,000 >> Yeah, I would be patient and be 1026 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,000 interested in -- particularly the 1027 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,000 public who follows this meeting, getting 1028 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,000 to hear some greater level of detail. 1029 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,000 My underlying question is what 1030 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000 protections are being compromised, if 1031 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000 any, in the streamlining? 1032 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000 The purpose of the regulation is to 1033 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000 protect health and safety and 1034 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000 environmental quality. 1035 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,000 I'm not especially motivated to 1036 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,000 streamline removing of any protections. 1037 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,000 I take it that's not the intent. 1038 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,000 But I think it bears some inspection of 1039 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,000 the detail to build confidence that 1040 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000 nothing is being lost. 1041 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:41,000 >> The intent is just to eliminate any 1042 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000 administrative and technical burden. 1043 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:50,000 One of the perfect samples is the 1044 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000 ability to eliminate any 1045 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,000 administrative and technical burden. 1046 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:04,000 One of the perfect samples is it allows 1047 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,000 the control authority of the POWs to 1048 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,000 determine if a particular industry 1049 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000 doesn't have a pollutant as a part of 1050 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,000 the discharge process, if they can 1051 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,000 actually reduce the number of sampling 1052 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000 for that particular pollutant. 1053 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,000 For example, just keep in mind that all 1054 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000 industries subject to pretreatment, they 1055 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000 have to self-monitor themselves, they 1056 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000 have to test and send those results to 1057 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000 the city, as well as the city actually 1058 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,000 conducts those samplings. 1059 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000 So in those instances, and there's a 1060 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,000 whole slew of parameters that they have 1061 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000 to test for. 1062 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,000 There's industries that they don't have 1063 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,000 some of those pollutants as a part of 1064 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,000 their processes, so they will never have 1065 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000 those present as a part of the discharge. 1066 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,000 So these changes will allow the city to 1067 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000 determine after they have demonstrated 1068 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000 that those pollutants are not part of 1069 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000 the discharge, not to continue sampling 1070 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000 for it on a regular basis. 1071 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,000 So they still have to demonstrate that 1072 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,000 pollutant is not part of the effluent 1073 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000 makeup. 1074 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000 And then after that point, we will not 1075 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000 require them to keep sampling for 1076 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,000 something that will not show up in their 1077 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000 effluent. 1078 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,000 That's the typical example of some 1079 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000 technical redundancies that they have to 1080 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,000 do. 1081 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,000 Just keep in mind, those will benefit the 1082 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000 small and medium-sized industry, where 1083 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000 they don't have to keep doing the same 1084 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,000 stuff because it is not present. 1085 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,000 For the bigger companies, that's not a 1086 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,000 big issue. 1087 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,000 The other things that allows is to 1088 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000 provide the flexibility on the sampling 1089 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,000 techniques that some industry can use 1090 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,000 that are more applicable to them and 1091 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,000 easier to do. 1092 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000 So again, they will still have to sample. 1093 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,000 They will still have to report all the 1094 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,000 results. 1095 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,000 We will still have to go and sample 1096 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,000 it ourselves to verify all that 1097 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000 information. 1098 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000 However, the techniques that they can 1099 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000 use will facilitate that process as 1100 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000 well. 1101 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,000 >> Are the techniques less sensitive? 1102 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000 You know, the proposed new, more 1103 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,000 permissive, streamlined techniques? 1104 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,000 >> No, they are not. 1105 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000 It's just that allow them to use other 1106 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000 methodologies, and those methodologies 1107 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,000 are not currently permitted. 1108 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,000 >> Why are those methods not currently 1109 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,000 permitted? 1110 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,000 >> Well, it could be by the time that 1111 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,000 the regulation was adopted, what was the 1112 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,000 processes in place and what was the 1113 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,000 industry used to perform. 1114 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,000 It could be that new techniques have 1115 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,000 developed and our new equipment have 1116 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,000 been more sensitive, so therefore those 1117 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,000 methodologies are now available and 1118 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,000 acceptable to them. 1119 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,000 >> So, you know, I would be interested 1120 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000 since we get another bite at the apple 1121 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000 since we're talking about sending this 1122 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000 to council, but my request would be that 1123 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000 as part of that presentation, that there 1124 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,000 be a kind of side by side, what's in the 1125 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000 old, what's in the new, and rationale at 1126 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,000 a fairly granular level. 1127 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,000 So the public can see, you know, my 1128 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,000 concern is even if it's -- my concern is 1129 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000 that there must be a reason that 1130 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,000 something wasn't permitted. 1131 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000 If it's new, didn't exist before, that 1132 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000 would be persuasive, but if it's just 1133 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,000 like something is maybe cheaper but 1134 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,000 would not be as, you know, accurate or 1135 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,000 protective, you know, I might look at 1136 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,000 that differently. 1137 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,000 So I assume that this is not asking for 1138 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000 anything new that you have all this, so 1139 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000 I would just request that that be sort 1140 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000 of laid out in a digestible side by side, 1141 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000 you know, format with old, new, and 1142 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,000 rationale. 1143 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000 Is that all right? 1144 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,000 >> Yeah. 1145 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,000 Will the red line version of the 1146 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,000 ordinance help you as well? 1147 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,000 >> Not me. 1148 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,000 It might help. 1149 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000 Might help someone else, but different 1150 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000 people absorb information differently. 1151 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000 So what I'm asking for, I think, works 1152 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,000 for me and I think would be sort of 1153 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,000 digestible by, you know, by others as 1154 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000 well. 1155 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000 >> Okay. 1156 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000 Will do. 1157 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000 >> I mean, I don't mean to be 1158 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000 steamrolling. 1159 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,000 Pretend, I mean, as, you know, do you 1160 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000 have any objection to what I'm asking? 1161 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,000 >> No. 1162 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000 I think that's a good question. 1163 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,000 I'm one of those that a red line might 1164 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,000 be kind of helpful. 1165 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,000 >> I was just looking at red lines. 1166 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,000 >> But, yeah, and sometimes I catch 1167 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000 something in a red line that I don't 1168 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000 always catch in something more visual. 1169 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,000 >> It happens separately. 1170 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,000 I offer up two options. 1171 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,000 We say, okay, both. 1172 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,000 >> Yeah. 1173 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000 I think that would be very good 1174 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,000 information going forward for council. 1175 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000 What are we doing differently? 1176 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000 And then, of course, the public, some 1177 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000 folks very interested in these topics 1178 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,000 would ask us for exactly that 1179 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,000 information. 1180 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000 >> Will do. 1181 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,000 >> Okay. 1182 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,000 Thank you very much. 1183 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,000 I appreciate that. 1184 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,000 That will involve some work. 1185 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,000 I know you have the source material, 1186 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,000 but it's work. 1187 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,000 So with that, I'll move on then to the 1188 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000 next item, which is item D, management 1189 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:56,000 reports, action items, matrix. 1190 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,000 The matrix is included. 1191 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000 There's three items there listed. 1192 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,000 One of them does have a date in April 1193 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000 to come back, and the other two have 1194 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000 been on there for some time. 1195 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,000 So I'm sure there's been previous 1196 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,000 discussion, but we have staff 1197 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000 available if there's any questions on 1198 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000 those or if you'd like something added 1199 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,000 to the matrix. 1200 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000 >> Rutan? 1201 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,000 >> I don't have anything additional. 1202 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000 I'm eagerly awaiting that first one. 1203 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000 As we are in a lot of different 1204 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000 sectors of the city organization, so 1205 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,000 the others, I'm just patient. 1206 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,000 >> Yeah. 1207 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000 Me as well. 1208 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000 So let's move on to item H, which is 1209 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:43,000 consideration of a meeting schedule. 1210 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,000 I think we used to do these monthly. 1211 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,000 Is there a reason why we would or 1212 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,000 wouldn't do that? 1213 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000 >> I think we have -- I'm muted. 1214 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,000 No, I'm not. 1215 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000 Okay. 1216 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,000 I think we have the virtual down, so 1217 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000 I think we're good to go monthly again. 1218 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000 Nine o'clock seems to work better 1219 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000 doing it before the luncheon rather 1220 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000 than after because we don't know what 1221 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,000 time the luncheon will end. 1222 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000 So we don't have as much flexibility. 1223 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,000 >> We know when it will begin. 1224 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000 >> Exactly. 1225 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000 >> I mean, that's fine with me. 1226 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,000 Rutan? 1227 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,000 >> Very well for me as well. 1228 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000 >> We'll check with Mr. Baker to make 1229 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,000 sure. 1230 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,000 >> Oh, no. 1231 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,000 Majority here. 1232 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,000 >> Oh, you're right. 1233 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000 >> Actually, you know, I don't mean 1234 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,000 to be too light. 1235 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000 I really -- I don't know what his 1236 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000 obstacles were, and I hope he's okay. 1237 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,000 So I'll just say that. 1238 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000 >> I think we already had a 1239 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,000 scheduling conflict. 1240 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,000 >> Oh, okay. 1241 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,000 Very good. 1242 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000 Well, that's everything, then. 1243 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,000 So with that, we will adjourn at 1244 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,000 2 p.m. 1245 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,000 >> Thank you. 1246 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,000 >> See you later. 1247 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,000 >> Bye. 1248 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:53,000 >> Bye.