1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,680 Okay. It's nine o'clock on January 25th, 2021. We have a quorum, so we'll call the Public 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:18,800 Utilities Board meeting for the City of Denton to order. Are there any public people from 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,320 the public wishing to speak? Do we know? Hi there. This is Tyler. Currently there 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:30,640 is no one here to speak. All right. Thank you, Tyler. Then we'll go on to the regular meeting. 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:38,720 We have first order of business is our consent agenda. Items A through C. Does any board member 6 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:45,040 wish to pull an item? Yes, Ed. Go ahead. Item C. Item C. All right. 7 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:57,600 And then do we have a motion to approve items A and B? So moved. Second. All in favor say aye. 8 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:08,160 Aye. Opposed? A and B? Approved. Item C. Questions, Ed? Yeah, I was just curious as to what is 9 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:18,160 encompassed by lab supplies. Is there somebody that can address that? Terry Nolte is going to answer 10 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:30,720 the question. Hi, this is Brian Smith with the City of Denton. 11 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:41,600 Can you all hear me? Yes. Go ahead, Brian. Okay. Your question about lab supplies? 12 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:50,240 Okay. It's just, what this is, is we're trying to get a contract for the lab supplies for the 13 00:01:50,240 --> 00:02:02,720 both water plants and the municipal lab. So we can, in the past that we've just been buying, 14 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:14,320 you know, our chemicals and our lab supplies from just various vendors. And so we decided to see 15 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:21,280 if we can get a contract, hopefully with one vendor, but it may end up being two to be able 16 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:29,120 to supply everything for everybody. Does that help answer that? Yeah, I was just curious as to whether 17 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:36,720 it was actual testing materials that were used to test the safety of the water or if it were supplies 18 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:47,200 like test tubes and rubber gloves and stuff like that. Right, it's both. It's everything that we 19 00:02:47,200 --> 00:03:00,080 would need to do our testing. All these chemicals we get from HAWK, which is a lot of instruments 20 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:08,080 that we use are made by HAWK and we use a lot of their reagents and chemicals. The other thing that 21 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:15,280 HAWK doesn't provide that we get from other vendors to run the other tests that we have to run. 22 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:25,200 And of course, you know, like you said, you know, beakers and lab coats, anything else that's 23 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,120 not a chemical, you know, is what we call just a supply. 24 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Yeah, I was just curious as to whether or not the delay of this contract in any way 25 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:48,400 jeopardized the testing capabilities. No, sir. We have, you know, inventory currently so we can do 26 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:56,720 this. I understand. If we got low, we can always, you know, go out for, you know, do our quotes and 27 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:02,960 get a purchase order that way. If we do, you know, if this gets to a point where it takes longer than 28 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,840 we anticipated. Okay, thank you very much. You bet. 29 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:18,640 Do we have a motion to approve item C? Move approval. Oh, and Ed can second. All in favor say 30 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:26,800 aye. Aye. All right. Carries. Items for individual consideration. The approval of the January 11th, 31 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,720 2021 minutes. Does anyone have corrections or changes? 32 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:42,240 Do we have a motion to approve? So approve. And a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. 33 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:49,600 Okay. Next item is consider recommending adoption of an ordinance adopted concurrently by the 34 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,200 cities of Bryan, Denton, Garland, and Greenville, Texas, approving the execution by the Texas 35 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,560 municipal power agency of an asset purchase agreement for the sale of the agency's Gibbons 36 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:07,360 Creek steam electric station and related assets in Grimes County, Texas, approving an associated 37 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:14,000 generation budget amendment and providing an effective date. Mr. Nolte. Good morning, 38 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:42,880 PV. Let me pull the brief presentation up. Okay. Good morning again. This is 39 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:50,960 the formal request to the PUB to recommend adoption of the concurrent ordinance for the 40 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:57,360 sale of the Gibbons Creek station. As you recall, PV members, we brought this to you 41 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,840 several weeks ago, had a detailed discussion. We've provided a number of 42 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:08,960 additional pieces of information in the Friday report and through informal staff reports. 43 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:17,120 Just a brief summary of the transaction. Again, it's the sale of the Gibbons Creek 44 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:24,320 station to the Gibbons Creek environmental redevelopment company is the buyer. It's 6,200 45 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,560 acres, including the reservoir and all the coal combustion residual units. 46 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:37,760 We do TMPA does retain ownership of all the transmission assets. And under the terms of the 47 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:43,600 agreement, the buyer must decommission the power plant and remediate all the CCR units. 48 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Significant effort and security been put in place to ensure that these CCR units are properly 49 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:02,320 remediated. And there are certain limitations placed upon future land uses for the areas that 50 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:10,720 have the CCR units. There's a considerable economic benefit to TMPA members, including 51 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Denton. We anticipate that the savings as compared to the self-performance of the remediation and 52 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:26,960 demolition activities will save $48 million, $10 million to Denton. And for this fiscal year, 53 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:36,320 $1.8 million versus our current budget. The most important thing besides the economics is the fact 54 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:43,760 that the environmental risk profile is greatly reduced for TMPA and for the member cities. 55 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:51,120 They cite itself adjacent to the site is the is the 56 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,160 the mine, the lignite mine, which will be ultimately sold, 57 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,040 if so directed by the TMPA Board of Directors and additional 10,000 plus acres. 58 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:10,800 So today we're recommending approval of the concurrent ordinance. 59 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:18,480 Denton is the last of the four member cities to bring this ordinance before Council for final 60 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:25,360 approval. And as I mentioned, we did provide the information that was requested by both Council and 61 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:35,760 PUB in a series of Friday reports. The land use issue, Grimes County regulations, Grimes County 62 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:44,640 does not have zoning, as most counties in Texas don't. There are requirements that are placed upon 63 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:53,520 subdivisions in Grimes County. And with that, I'll be glad to answer any questions. Also have 64 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Bob Kahn, the General Manager of the TMPA on the line. 65 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,680 Questions? 66 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:05,440 Barbara, was your hand up? Okay, go ahead, Barbara. 67 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:14,320 So once this is sold to them, as requirements change on things like this, 68 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:20,080 this will no longer be our responsibility. It will be the responsibility of the new buyer, correct? 69 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,600 That is correct. 70 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Any other questions? 71 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:39,920 I will make a comment on that question, Barbara. The last meeting that TMPA had was a quick call 72 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:47,680 meeting to approve additional insurance for any new developments. We were able to get another 73 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:54,320 larger, longer insurance policy for 10 years, which helps that liability tremendously. 74 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Thank you, Bill. 75 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Well, I guess we did have a long discussion a few weeks ago. Do we have -- oh, go ahead, 76 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,760 Ed. I'm sorry. I just had one comment, and that is that I think this is a really good thing that's 77 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:22,960 happening for our air and future and development, everything. And right now, best as I can 78 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:37,520 ascertain, there are still 14 active coal plants in Texas, of which five by, I guess it's 2032, 79 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:43,360 will either also be closed or converted to natural gas or some other fuel source, 80 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:50,800 which has not indicated what it is. But in any case, we all know that coal is on the way out. 81 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:56,800 Texas, unfortunately, is still the largest user of coal for electric generation. But 82 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:04,080 things like the closing of Givens Creek are a step forward toward a renewable future. So 83 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,720 I'm very happy that this is occurring. Thank you, Ed. 84 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:15,680 Like I said, we had a long discussion a couple weeks ago. Do we have a motion to approve? 85 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:18,960 So moved. Thank you, Ed. A second? 86 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Second. All in favor say aye. 87 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:25,360 Aye. Opposed? Carries. 88 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,960 Thank you very much. Thank you. 89 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:34,160 Next item is management reports. David. 90 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:46,400 Given the number of management reports on the agenda, including a solid waste survey update, 91 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,200 if you have any questions, we have staff available to answer them. 92 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,600 I believe that was your item, Ed. Are you satisfied with? 93 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,200 Me? No, Ed. 94 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:57,680 I'm sorry. 95 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:07,840 I'm sorry. Do you have any questions on the solid waste management strategy online? 96 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,040 The survey? Yeah. 97 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,080 No, I looked at it. I think it's very, very comprehensive. 98 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:23,200 Okay. And I'm not sure about the timeline. How long will this be up before it's completed? 99 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,360 How long will it be before the public? I can see Brian's on the line. 100 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Yeah. Members of the board, members, my name is Brian Burner, Solid Waste Director with City of 101 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Ginton. This survey will be up for approximately one month. And then from that, the data will be 102 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:49,280 taken and used to help create the talking points and questions for the think tank that will occur 103 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:56,400 in March. And then based on survey data, waste characterization data, the think tank data results, 104 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:02,640 plus items that are going on in the legislature and regulatory world, that will all be wrapped 105 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:09,920 up in our anticipation is that the strategy will be completed by late third quarter, early 106 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:17,600 fourth quarter of this year. Thank you. My only other question is, is where is this being publicized? 107 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:23,760 This is being publicized in all of our social media through our Friday reports. 108 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:31,600 We're pushing it out on, you know, directly to different interest groups. And, you know, 109 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,560 we've got a month. So we're hoping word of mouth as well as we would imagine there will probably 110 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:42,640 something in the didn't record chronicle regarding the survey. Yeah, I was going to say, I hope that 111 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:49,280 you could get a prominent article in the paper. That would certainly be an advantage. And is there 112 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:56,640 time to put it in with bills and mailings? There is a citizens, one of the citizens 113 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,200 newsletters that is going out here within the next day or two that it will be included with them. 114 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:10,560 Terrific. Thank you. All right, then next is concluding items. Does a board member wish 115 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:15,760 to have anything put on a future agenda item or have something to celebrate? 116 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:23,040 All right, then we'll go into work session, receive a report and hold a discussion 117 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:28,080 and give staff direction on the recent issues impacting online building portal 118 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:34,640 and auto draft customers. Madam Chair, board members, Krista Foster, customer service manager. 119 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:44,400 If you give me one moment, I'll pull up our presentation. 120 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:02,080 All right. So we received a request from one of the board members to provide an update 121 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:09,600 on the context that you guys had seen online or received personally related to trouble that 122 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,800 customers have had over the past fall and somewhat through the winter with either bill of viewing or 123 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:20,240 interruptions of service due to auto drafts not coming through or problems with drafting. 124 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,920 So what we're going to do is provide a quick overview. We had three separate events that led 125 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:31,600 to some of these things. In August of 2020, we had bills that were not viewable online, 126 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,480 as well as auto drafts that were scheduled by customers in the online payment portal, 127 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,840 which weren't functioning properly. And then in November, we had a contractual change of our 128 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,640 merchant service provider, which caused all registered users to have to reenter their 129 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:53,600 payment information. So first looking at the bill view, we had the problem was customers were not 130 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,800 able to access electronic copies of their bills and see their billing history. We identified and 131 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,880 reported this with our vendor on September the 8th, and it was resolved on September the 14th. 132 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:12,480 The remediation actions, what we found was the services to provide our online billing, 133 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:19,600 either your bill view or, or the auto drafts is related to that vendor receiving FTP file transfers. 134 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:26,240 So the vendor for the billing system or the bill print had changed an IP address, 135 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:32,960 and it did not been communicated to the online provider. They appeared to not have a process 136 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:40,000 in place to identify that they were not receiving the FTP files as expected. So once we got that in 137 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,040 place, then we've coordinated with the vendors to ensure that they have a plan for non receipt of 138 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:52,000 files. The same thing occurred with the auto drafts. This is payments that were scheduled by 139 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,960 customers by themselves in the online billing portal. These are not drafts that we would set 140 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,400 up in our billing system to auto draft, but ones that customers can go in and modify on their own. 141 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:08,720 We identified the problem and reported it on August 15th. This one was not resolved until 142 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:15,920 September 11th. What we found was, again, there was an IP address change that prevented them from 143 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,680 receiving FTP files. They were unaware that they were not receiving the files and it took some time 144 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:28,000 to be able to identify what that problem was. This impacted about 3000 customers. We ensured 145 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,200 that during that time period, we stopped any form of disconnections so that there were no interruptions 146 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:39,920 by mistake. We increased our documentation so that we could better identify these types of problems. 147 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,840 It's difficult for us to see draft versus web payment when the customer is setting it up 148 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,000 themselves. There's no flag that can be turned on in our billing system so that we know. 149 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:57,440 So we've increased our documentation for reporting technology changes to the vendor, 150 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,920 as well as we've identified some means of reporting internally to help identify failures in drafts. 151 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,960 And then again, we've coordinated with the vendor to ensure that they have a communication plan for 152 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:19,520 non-received files. The final issue that we've incurred, that has occurred this year, was the 153 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,800 change of our merchant service provider. Several years ago, when the city contracted with Wells 154 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:31,440 Fargo Merchant Services, it was stated at the time that the volumes coming in from customer service 155 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,400 would be included in that so that we could get a city-wide pricing structure. We've been working 156 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:42,320 for a couple of years to be able to move from Elavon to Wells Fargo and that had to occur this fall. 157 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:49,760 The Wells Fargo requirement is that we keep the billing zip code as part of the saved payment 158 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:57,200 credentials. This helps us prevent fraud. It also lowers our costs. However, Elavon did not save 159 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:03,040 that information because the information was not in any of the payment records. We couldn't 160 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:09,920 transition any customers' saved payment information. So it meant that all customers had to reenter 161 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:15,040 their auto drafts, either checking or credit, and that they had to reenter any of their saved 162 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:21,360 payment information. So we knew that this was coming up. So October the 28th, we actually sent 163 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:28,000 out 7,000, a combination of 7,000 calls and emails. We sent 7,000 letters to customers who 164 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,080 would be impacted. The way that we did this is we looked at a list of all customers who had payments 165 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,600 showing in the system as scheduled anytime from October through December. We cross-referenced 166 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,240 that list if it was something that we had set up by telephone so the customer didn't have an email 167 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,760 address. We cross-referenced that against North Star data to get the telephone number on file so 168 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,440 that we could make contact to that customer. In addition to letters and emails and calls, 169 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,200 we did place information out on social media. We updated our website. We put a message on our phone 170 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:08,480 queue. We put a message alert on the payment as portal, and we issued a press release. So on the 171 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:14,880 day of switch 11-5, we repeated 7,000 calls and emails to all customers who were impacted, 172 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,200 letting them know that the change had occurred and they could reenter their payment information. 173 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:26,240 Things continued on into early December when we began receiving calls from customers who 174 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,160 were indicating that they were on autodraft and had been interrupted for non-payment. 175 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,320 So as we started looking at that, first we want to make sure that it's noted that any of those 176 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,960 customers who had been interrupted would have received both a courtesy call and a friendly 177 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:48,000 reminder call prior to interruption. But when I went out on December the 10th, I pulled a list of 178 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:54,400 all scheduled payments in the payment system and cross-referenced it to our original list of 7,000 179 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:01,200 customers, and 6,000 of those customers had not reset up their payment information and started 180 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:07,680 their drafts again. So we did again stop all interruptions, and instead of just communicating 181 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,200 to those 7,000, we decided that it was probably better at this point to go ahead and notify all 182 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:20,160 payment as registered users. So we sent 35,000 letters, emails, and calls to customers, letting 183 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:26,880 them know that payments needed to be in place and scheduled by January the 4th. On January the 4th, 184 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,440 we did send a final email notice to the original list of 7,000 customers if there had been no new 185 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:42,400 scheduled payments. And that's pretty much where we are. We have begun cutting again and do not 186 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:48,720 seem to have the same kind of problems. Thank you. Questions from the board? 187 00:21:51,920 --> 00:22:00,160 So have those people all responded? Have you got everybody set up? We saw that the majority, 188 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:07,200 well, more than 50% of the ones that had not set up by December the 10th had gone back and set up 189 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:13,040 when we went resumed interruptions. Some of those customers maybe have chosen not to do auto draft 190 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,280 for a little bit and are just making payments, but we have not seen an influx of customers 191 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,880 being interrupted. We have seen a lot of confusion because once we sent things out to everyone, 192 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,440 then we have customers that are upset because like they've looked and now they've gotten four 193 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,640 notifications. You know, some of those things, just the typical types of confusions that you 194 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,520 would see when trying to communicate to that broad number of customers. 195 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:43,360 It sounds like you made every effort. I can't think of anything that you haven't done repeatedly. 196 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:50,480 Yeah. Well, I was one of the customers impacted, but I got a phone call that, you know, I was past 197 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:56,480 due. I mean, you communicated, I think at least four times to me. So it was, you know, 198 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,680 you did the best you could. Thank you. We tried to do our best. 199 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:07,600 Yeah. But the important thing is now you have those FTP. They know that something's not coming in. 200 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:14,480 So that'll be a big help. Yes. Sure. Yes, Billy. So Krista, 201 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:20,080 is there going to be a concern going forward when you, like if somebody changes services, 202 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:26,880 that they'll have a flag on their account because of these circumstances where it really wasn't the 203 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,480 right payers fault? No, there will not be any flags on their accounts because we're not actually 204 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,440 charging any late fees or anything and we're not doing the interruptions. 205 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,760 It will not affect their credit rating. Yeah. And I'll just reiterate what Susan said 206 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:47,440 because we were the same customer and I got at least three, maybe four phone calls. 207 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,400 Communication has been really good. Thank you. 208 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,800 Thank you. All right. Thank you, Krista. 209 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:05,520 Thank you. Now we will adjourn into a closed meeting. 210 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,040 I believe I need to read the entire item deliberations regarding real estate 211 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:19,040 property under Texas government code section 551.072. Receive information from staff, 212 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,560 discuss, deliberate, and provide staff with direction pertaining to the potential acquisition 213 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:32,160 of certain real property interests located in the BBB and CCR company survey abstract 196, 214 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:44,160 the West Fork Survey abstract 1087, and the Jay Saver Survey abstract 1164, and the Jay 215 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:50,400 Withers Survey abstract 1343, all in Denton County, Texas for the utility infrastructure. 216 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,760 Do we need a countdown, David? That was a multiple.