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 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the planning and zoning work session

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 meeting for Wednesday, January 20 2021.

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 We don't have any public comments for the consent agenda item this evening so we can

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 hop right into work session reports.

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 The first one is item to a PZ 20 dash 010 listed on the agenda and it's to hold the

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 discussion regarding the policy to preserve cross timber upland habitats of 10 contiguous

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 acres or greater.

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 I'm not sure who's presenting on this.

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 Christie is pulling it up.

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 So good evening, commissioners, and tonight I will be giving you this summary of the cross

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 timers upland habitat.

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 To start us off I wanted to give you a short review of how our forested areas are identified

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 and given the designation of upland habitat.

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 And I want to point out that Ditten is unique among the local communities in maintaining

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 a predetermined map that was adopted by the city with the development code in 2002.

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 At the time the researchers created this map.

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 They consider features such as the forest canopy, topography, and soils and staff has

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 maintained this map since where the map is map amendments are approved through the ESA

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 field assessment.

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 ESA field assessment is a procedure outlined in the Ditten development code which calls

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 for a qualified personnel such as staff or a third party to confirm that the environmental

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 sensitive areas exist as it's shown on the map.

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 When we confirm that it exists as shown on the map or we confirm that the boundaries

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 are where it's found in the field, then we amend the map to reflect those field conditions

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 that were found at the time of the assessment.

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 For the upland habitat, that criteria for confirming the designation is that the forest

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 canopy is 10 contiguous acres or greater.

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 That the dominant species be either post oaks, a mixture of those post oaks with black jacks,

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 or a mixture of all of these species of post oaks, black jacks, and burroaks.

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 And that there is an understory vegetation that's amenable to the upland vegetation that

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 we would find in these upland habitats and that there is sandy loam soil.

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 When confirmed to exist, development is required to preserve a percentage of that upland habitat.

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 As you may know for the non-residential developments that is 30% to be preserved and for residential

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 lots, a residential development is 50%.

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 The council, they didn't require that those preserved areas that are preserved to be contiguous,

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 but rather left it as strongly encouraged because they recognized that there was many

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 variables that go into site design.

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 So that's the language remain at strongly encouraged to maintain some contiguousness

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 in the upland habitat.

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 And this infographic is something I have put together to help facilitate an understanding

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 of how to preserve that contiguousness in the upland habitat.

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 So the question for us was, where did this come from?

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 And regarding the history of this 10-acre minimum, the researcher, we staff researched

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 the available minutes, memos, and planner's notes that were in the archives and confirmed

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 that this concept was brought in early in the discussion when they were putting together

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 this new 2002 DDC.

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 Ecology researchers had provided a literature review of scientific articles where there

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 was a minimum of 10 acres was one of the several factors that were being considered to turn

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 a qualitative description into a quantitative description of what is a good habitat.

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 One of the questions that was being asked, for example, is how much land is needed for

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 animals to readily access variable resources?

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 And then those details seem to have permeated the policy discussion subsequently.

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 Along with those landscape ecologists, other researchers were influencing the discussion

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 with questions of how to blend the long-term ecological values with the short-term economic

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 decision-making, and then it seems that policymakers were setting a standard that is easy to understand

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 with the minimum acreage protection requirements that creates a consistency and an expectation

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 for the landowners.

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 And lastly, Commissioner Beck had requested more information on what other communities

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 might have on the books for the protection of upland habitats, and to our knowledge,

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 the town of Flower Mound is the only other community in the local DFW area that does

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 protect the habitat as a holistic ecosystem and specifically the habitats of these upland

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 habitats.

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 And they also, I might point out, have in their definition of what is an upland habitat

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 a minimum of 10 acres in size.

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 With that, I will stand for any questions.

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 Oh, yeah, we'll get to that one.

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 I'll pull this down.

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 I think Commissioner Beck had a question.

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 Yeah, I think, Kristi, I appreciate, I really like the infographic that made clear the sort

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 of definition of continuity that the city's using.

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 I emailed you this, but I'm mentioning here for completeness, and that is doing a little

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 bit of background research, and there's issues where it's completely dependent on whether

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 you're talking about edge boundary or other things that you know about because of your

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 role and background.

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 And so the kind of, the sustainability, the ability to fragment or not fragment an ecosystem,

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 the usefulness of a corridor in a larger parcel is completely dependent on the shape and space

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 and size.

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 And so this is why I was asking you for sort of, what was the citations at the time that

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 were used, because it feels like that the sort of simplistic 10-acre rule doesn't at

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 all match what I've been reading and teaching for the last several years.

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 I have admittedly, I haven't taught a lot of ecology classes, but enough.

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 So anyway, I'd really appreciate those citations when you get a chance.

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 I mean, I know this is just a work session, so like, you know, there's lots of things

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 in front of a work session.

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 But when you get a chance, because the shape in particular and sort of coreness, if you

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 will, the compactness are really, really important and sort of, I think going forward, this issue

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 of, you know, when can we call something fragmented to where it's unuseful for flora and fauna?

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 When can we call it fragmented to where it is still useful for flora and fauna because

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 it connects up, say, rose lawn and some other, you know, larger 10-acre parcels?

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 You know, if there's a little thread of land there, you know, we don't want to call that

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 small and fragmented because it's not doing anything when the reality is it's connecting

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 wildlife.

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 And so while I really appreciate this presentation, it honestly opened up as many questions as

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 it answered.

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 So I'd appreciate maybe some more follow-up on that.

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 Sure.

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 I'd be happy to.

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 I just needed some time to…

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 Oh, yeah.

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 No, no, no, no.

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 I'm not.

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 It's not a rush.

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 Thank you for your time.

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 Is there any other questions for Christy?

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 I do not see any.

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 Christy, thanks for the presentation.

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 Sure.

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 We have another work session report, and it's to hold a discussion regarding native plant

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 material used in site design for development, and I imagine Christy is going to continue

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 on.

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 All right.

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 OK.

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 So for the native plant selection, so there was more, there was a request for the native

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 plants.

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 There was a request for more information on how native plants are promoted by the Denton

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 Development Code and what are our policies and exceptions and the use of natives in the

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 residential and non-residential projects and for HOA lots and alternative ESA plans.

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 So I've pulled it all together in one matrix to help show this all in one slide.

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 And this shows you the different types of projects and the requirements or the way that

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 the policy is applied to promote the use of native plants and the adaptive plants that

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 are on the city's plant list.

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 And I might point out that in the environmentally sensitive areas that we do require that those

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 native plants be used and that we don't typically allow for adaptive plants, but those are options

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 for the development community to choose from for the other type of development projects.

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 And I also want to point out some of the benefits and challenges with the use of native plants,

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 including that when we use these native plants, there is an improved environment with the

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 water, air, soil, ecology, that we are promoting reduced resource needs and long-term that there

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 is a reduction in long-term costs.

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 However, when these developers are choosing for these native plants, there are some challenges

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 with that choice, including that it's still sometimes difficult to acquire some of these

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 plants.

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 Not all of them.

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 Many of them are readily available now, but some are still difficult to acquire or just

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 not commercially available at all.

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 And that there's a need for a revision in maintenance plans, which comes with its own

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 challenges in finding a company, a maintenance company that can work with those native landscapes

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 that require a different maintenance plan.

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 And there's also the community acceptance, getting the development community used to

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 the idea of selecting from native plants.

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 And then the other thing I wanted to show you was this is a riparian recovery mix that

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 was applied to a project that was, this is an alternative ESA plan that was implemented

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 in 2019.

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 I took this picture in the spring of this year, and this was a, this was the riparian

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 recovery mix that you see often that is being used and, or in those plans that are being

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 brought to you by, especially by the, some of our consultants with Kimberly-Gorn engineering

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 firm.

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 And this is readily available by a local distributor and there are a couple of other local distributors

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 of these native plant seed mixes that we have found and we make available to that development

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 community whenever that is requested.

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 And with that, I'll stand for any questions on this one.

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 Chris Rebek.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Christy, so it occurred to me that we could dovetail some of our interests here.

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 And so I wanted to ask how the city, if the city would be amenable or is already actually

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 exploring.

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 I know that like, again, for rose lawn and for some of the other developments, there's

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 been transplantation efforts, particularly coordinated through Clear Creek and where

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 some of these species are trying to be saved and moved to other locales and it's challenging

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 for some species.

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 They don't like to be moved.

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 They like to grow naturally.

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 But I wonder if we couldn't incentivize developers to transplant as a way of mitigating loss

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 in some fashion and if we could explore that, that transplantation, you know, maybe there's

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 a reduced burden for development if they're willing to engage in transplantation rather

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 than clear cutting and replanting kind of avenues would be one thing that I thought.

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 And then the other thing, could you we talked about this before, but could you clarify for

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 native, one of the reasons I asked for this work session was, could we clarify code enforcement

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 requirements for if you've got native plants and they're growing in their native plant

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 growth cycle.

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 You know, I know we have, you know, the wildflower rules, which are particular and allow us to,

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 you know, grow until they go to seed and then the code enforcement kicks back in again.

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 But do we have other code enforcement special exceptions and rules for native plants as

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 we're trying to repair these parcels?

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 I'm not well versed in, to tell you the truth.

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 So I might see if maybe we could defer to Richard to see if he has any more information

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 on this.

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 I just want to make sure, was this, can you repeat it again?

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 I'm sorry.

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 That's okay.

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 I, the second part, the second question I asked was it connected to the the wildflower

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 special exceptions for code enforcement, where you didn't have to, you didn't have to maintain

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 your property if you were trying to let native wildflowers go, you could let them go to seed

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 and then regular code enforcement rules would kick in.

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 And I, my question to Christy was, are there other similar special exceptions if we're

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 trying to do repairs and or development of native species in our various development

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 projects where, you know, we have exceptions to code enforcement beyond, the only ones

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 I'm aware of are wildflowers, is it just wildflower?

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 It is, there's a provision that allows for, because we're the monarch butterfly, so there

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 is the ability to do sort of the butterfly habitat or garden, but I think that would

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 fall under that same exception for wildflowers, but we can look into that to make sure, but

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 I think that would, I don't know that it's as clear in the property maintenance code

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 though.

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 So, yeah, maybe when you're exploring that, and I don't know that it's a super high priority

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 item, but if we could help the success rate of some of these native ecosystems and properties

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 by allowing owners and developers to, for non-flowering plants, for trees and bushes

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 and other sorts of ecosystems, if we can sort of expand the exception rules in the same

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 way we did for wildflowers to support more healthy ecosystems in our bioswales and other

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 things that are not necessarily considered flowering plants, and I know you don't typically

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 mow a bioswale because it's typically watery, but nevertheless, if we could maybe chart

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 out some avenues that help promote this redevelopment of this kind of more favorable ecosystem,

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 that'd be great.

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 Any other questions for Christy on this item?

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 Great, Christy, thanks for being here and presenting this evening.

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 That brings us to just our regular agenda, and I think it is just as is straightforward,

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 right, Richard?

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 Just go right through it?

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 That's correct.

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 That's correct.

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 Fantastic.

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 So we'll start with the consent agenda item 3A FP 20-29.

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 Does anyone have any questions on this final plat?

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 We can bring Julie up.

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 Julie, it looks like we have a question for you.

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 Can you take a look at this razor plat?

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 I can.

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 Can you hear me?

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 I'm going to...

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 I can hear you.

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 All right.

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 Great.

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 Okay.

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 Let me...

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 I have a short presentation.

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 I can pull that up, or if I can just answer the questions?

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 All right.

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 Can I speak, Chair?

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 Yeah, of course.

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 Commissioner Beck.

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 Thank you.

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 Sorry.

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 No, if you could pull up something with the drainage maps, I'm not opposed to this.

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 I just was confused by where the drainages are and how we're designing these final drainages,

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 especially in light of the 100-year floodplain crossing over part of the property.

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 So if you could just clarify that for me, I'd be probably good to go.

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 Let me pull up the plat.

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 Maybe we can discuss that.

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 I just don't want to flood out of storefront or something.

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 Sure.

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 So the site that is actually the subject of the plat is just these boundaries right here.

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 That floodplain is to the south of the site.

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 And they have worked with our engineering group to design that drainage plan to conform

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 to the code requirements and also satisfy any requirements for that development.

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 So yes, there is that drainage area to the south of the site.

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 However, the subject property is in this area.

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 Is that answer?

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 Well, I thought that corner crossed over right there.

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 Yes.

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 That little corner is in the 100-year floodplain.

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 And there's no development in this plat reading that that I can tell, right?

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 So we're not going to allow anything over these drainage easements or that chunk of

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 100-year floodplain.

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 You are exactly correct, sir.

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 Yes, the development of the site will be closer in this area.

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 That satisfies -- I just want to make sure that we're not having buildings on top of

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 100-year floodplains.

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 Absolutely.

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 Thank you.

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 Any other questions for Julie on this item?

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 Okay.

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 Seeing none, we'll progress.

00:21:25.560 --> 00:21:32.480
 I'm going to jump right quickly back up to item two, just the minutes from January 6th.

00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:39.160
 Is there any changes or comments on the minutes from January 6th?

00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:44.000
 Great, seeing none, we'll go to the items for individual consideration.

00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:50.560
 First one is item -- well, first and only one is item 4A, PP 20-31, and it is Sean Jacobson's

00:21:50.560 --> 00:21:51.560
 item.

00:21:51.560 --> 00:21:53.560
 Sean, with us this evening?

00:21:53.560 --> 00:21:55.400
 Yes, sir.

00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:56.400
 Fantastic.

00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.400
 Floor is yours when ready.

00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:00.400
 Thank you.

00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:24.280
 All right, and you should be seeing my screen and my presentation.

00:22:24.280 --> 00:22:25.280
 We got it.

00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:26.280
 All right.

00:22:26.280 --> 00:22:27.280
 Lovely.

00:22:27.280 --> 00:22:30.400
 So, there we go.

00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.960
 So yes, this is PP 20-31.

00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:42.320
 This is a preliminary plat of the Mayhill edition, and the staff is recommending denial

00:22:42.320 --> 00:22:48.860
 but does support the applicants or is comfortable with the applicant's request for an extension

00:22:48.860 --> 00:22:56.840
 to date certain, and I will be happy to take any questions you have.

00:22:56.840 --> 00:23:02.840
 Are there any questions for Sean on this item?

00:23:02.840 --> 00:23:07.160
 Commissioner Beck.

00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:08.160
 Thank you, Chair.

00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:19.560
 So, as I recall from the backup, there was -- they were out of compliance for drainage,

00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:23.840
 stormwater, terrain gradients, canopy, ESAs.

00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:34.120
 I mean, they generally were sort of territorial and water drainage issues across this.

00:23:34.120 --> 00:23:47.120
 I know that one of our commenters commented about the lack of bike and pedestrian access

00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:57.800
 in this proposal, was that one of the reasons or did that currently also meet code?

00:23:57.800 --> 00:24:04.160
 So if I can address that for a moment, there was actually, I believe the root of that was

00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:10.360
 simply a labeling error which should have been shown on the plat as Stockbridge was

00:24:10.360 --> 00:24:12.240
 shown as Somerset.

00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:19.520
 So there actually is pedestrian and bike connectivity directly to the nearest road, Stockbridge,

00:24:19.520 --> 00:24:24.280
 which is to the south there, and of course that is one of the things that we would have

00:24:24.280 --> 00:24:28.320
 corrected prior to recommending approval of this plat.

00:24:28.320 --> 00:24:33.560
 So there is actually full pedestrian and bike connectivity to the neighborhood, and that

00:24:33.560 --> 00:24:41.320
 does enable connection to the Med Park station for residents.

00:24:41.320 --> 00:24:50.160
 But for the other sort of more ecological, if you will, reasons that the current plan

00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.640
 doesn't match compliance, is that correct?

00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:57.400
 Yes, there are some matters we're working on, primarily calculations and labeling, but

00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.600
 things that didn't need to be resolved.

00:24:59.600 --> 00:25:02.540
 So I guess that was my question.

00:25:02.540 --> 00:25:08.280
 Is it that the paperwork isn't in place or that they're not currently meeting criteria?

00:25:08.280 --> 00:25:15.280
 Well, there are things that simply need to be done accurately and legally before we can

00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:16.280
 approve it.

00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:20.000
 In some cases, it might be considered a matter of paperwork, but it's something that's of

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.300
 absolute necessity.

00:25:21.300 --> 00:25:26.800
 For instance, having access to a drainage easement in case there was ever a problem

00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:27.800
 in the future.

00:25:27.800 --> 00:25:29.640
 I'm just making sure that those are shown correctly.

00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:31.000
 No, no, no.

00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.080
 I'm not second guessing you.

00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:41.720
 That kind of paperwork thing, that's generally, they have it or they don't and they're satisfying

00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:43.520
 requirements or not.

00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:50.240
 I was just curious if it was more in the realm of you could see their characteristics and

00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:55.980
 they were not in compliance, or you couldn't determine their characteristics because you

00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:59.720
 lacked sufficient reports and paperwork.

00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:03.400
 I believe the latter may be true of the drainage calculations.

00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.040
 There was some additional information that needed to be received in order to calculate

00:26:07.040 --> 00:26:08.040
 it.

00:26:08.040 --> 00:26:12.640
 But overall, most of the concerns were matters where I can see how they will be resolved.

00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:13.640
 Okay.

00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:14.640
 Next email.

00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:15.640
 Thank you.

00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:16.640
 Appreciate it.

00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:17.640
 Yes, sir.

00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.600
 Commissioner Ellis, I believe I saw your hand up.

00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:22.920
 Yeah, I was just confirming that.

00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:27.480
 Is it 217 that is the request for the extension?

00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:33.000
 Yes, ma'am.

00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.080
 Is there any other questions for Shawn on this item?

00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:37.080
 Great.

00:26:37.080 --> 00:26:40.120
 Thank you very much, Shawn.

00:26:40.120 --> 00:26:41.120
 Sir.

00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:47.400
 All right, that moves us into our three public hearing items for this evening, starting with

00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:52.320
 Shawn's item, actually, five AS 20 dash 0010.

00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:55.960
 Shawn, the floor is back to you when you're ready.

00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:56.960
 Thank you, sir.

00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:07.640
 Let me make sure I pull up that presentation here.

00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.960
 Okay.

00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:22.640
 Good evening, Mr. Chair and members of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:29.120
 Again, I am Shawn Jacobson, Assistant Planner here to present item S2010, the 400 South

00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:31.760
 Elm Bar Use.

00:27:31.760 --> 00:27:37.320
 This is a specific use permit to permit a bar tavern or lounge use on approximately

00:27:37.320 --> 00:27:40.480
 .451 acres in the MN District.

00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:45.840
 The previous use on this site was a major automotive repair use, and the site was vacant

00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:52.680
 for approximately eight months before the applicant redeveloped the site and opened

00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.560
 the current use, indoor recreation use, axe throwing and billiards.

00:27:56.560 --> 00:27:59.240
 That opened on November 20th.

00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:04.520
 One of the things that patrons are permitted to do at this time is bring in alcohol to

00:28:04.520 --> 00:28:08.840
 consume on site, but this site does not currently operate a bar.

00:28:08.840 --> 00:28:12.920
 They are proposing to add a bar tavern or lounge use, and that does require the specific

00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:17.200
 use permit in the MN District.

00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:21.040
 You can see their site plan here and north is to the right.

00:28:21.040 --> 00:28:26.320
 This is an existing commercial building, and the applicant is not proposing to add anything

00:28:26.320 --> 00:28:28.000
 to the building.

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:34.260
 The only changes proposed to the site itself are replacing some broken concrete with landscaping

00:28:34.260 --> 00:28:38.680
 and restriping the parking lot, adding some additional spaces.

00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.840
 They are limited in what they can do on the site because of the presence of the flood

00:28:41.840 --> 00:28:43.400
 point.

00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:48.480
 As I noted, there is a current, since November 20th, indoor recreation use, and this would

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.960
 be the addition of a second use.

00:28:51.960 --> 00:29:00.240
 So again, we have our general approval criteria and our specific SUP criteria for approval

00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.720
 that we consider.

00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:07.400
 It's always important to look at our future land use map and then plan 2030.

00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:14.280
 This property actually has two future land use designations, downtown Denton and downtown

00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:15.680
 compatibility area.

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:20.640
 That downtown Denton designation is designed to provide a mix of context-sensitive uses,

00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:25.600
 which include entertainment, commercial, residential, office, and then that compatibility area,

00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:32.360
 as we've discussed before, is to provide that area of where residential and commercial meet.

00:29:32.360 --> 00:29:35.740
 It includes commercial, but we want to see it be in a scale and form that's sensitive

00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:38.920
 to the surrounding built context.

00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:44.740
 The proposed use, along with the indoor recreation use, because they would of course be together,

00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:49.200
 that provides a new entertainment and commercial use in this area in an existing commercial

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.040
 building.

00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:55.080
 This would be consistent with our Denton Plan 2030 goal of providing commercial on a scale

00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:56.080
 that fits the area.

00:29:56.080 --> 00:30:00.880
 It also meets our goals of developing along corridors, along that Elm Street corridor,

00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.720
 and strengthening existing commercial areas.

00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:09.320
 So keeping businesses in those buildings rather than having them be vacant.

00:30:09.320 --> 00:30:14.580
 This proposal also helps further the Denton Plan 2030 sound growth vision of downtown

00:30:14.580 --> 00:30:21.960
 Denton energized by new entertainment, supporting day and nighttime activity, and a true urban

00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:23.760
 lifestyle.

00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:26.720
 We always have to consider compatibility with the surrounding area.

00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:33.520
 As you can see, this is certainly a mixed-use area, and that South Elm corridor is a pattern

00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:37.760
 that already includes a number of bars, some you can see there, some farther up, as well

00:30:37.760 --> 00:30:41.000
 as restaurants that serve alcohol.

00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.760
 What is proposed would be in that existing single-story building that has been there for

00:30:44.760 --> 00:30:45.760
 decades.

00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:50.920
 The proposed bar use would support that new indoor recreation use, as I said, and occupying

00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.080
 an otherwise vacant building.

00:30:54.080 --> 00:30:58.840
 I'll touch on this more in a moment, but the site redevelopment has included removing the

00:30:58.840 --> 00:31:03.200
 vehicles that were stored in the rear as part of that major automotive repair use and which

00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:10.120
 were previously adjacent, just with no separation, to the residential, so it's helped to improve

00:31:10.120 --> 00:31:11.120
 that site.

00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:14.600
 This running property is similarly zoned and is mostly developed.

00:31:14.600 --> 00:31:19.040
 The addition of this use isn't expected to limit future redevelopment of the area.

00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:23.280
 And as you can see here, this is that rear yard prior to the redevelopment.

00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:28.400
 You have cars, whether employee cars or cars that are being repaired, which is right next

00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:29.400
 door to that.

00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:30.400
 Those are now gone.

00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:36.600
 I just want to look at how potential negative impacts of this use would be mitigated.

00:31:36.600 --> 00:31:44.120
 Just on a general level, this would enable and help the staff of the business to carefully

00:31:44.120 --> 00:31:45.680
 monitor alcohol consumption.

00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.480
 Right now, folks can bring in beer or wine to drink, and of course, staff do everything

00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:55.840
 they can to monitor that, but being able to sell it would allow them to set careful minimums

00:31:55.840 --> 00:31:58.720
 and bring them under TABC supervision.

00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:02.880
 We've also provided and the applicant supports a condition of approval that alcohol and sale

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.400
 and service would be limited to beer and wine, so we wouldn't be talking about any type of

00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:10.760
 liquor as part of this approval, and that was something that neighbors expressed a concern

00:32:10.760 --> 00:32:15.680
 about in the neighborhood meeting as well, they prefer just beer and wine.

00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:22.760
 In terms of visual impacts, the redevelopment, as you can see here, involved, as we discussed,

00:32:22.760 --> 00:32:25.520
 removing the vehicles from behind the building.

00:32:25.520 --> 00:32:28.240
 It also means we no longer have open bay doors.

00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:33.000
 Those have been covered over with sort of replicated barn doors, so you're not going

00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:37.160
 by and having vehicles being repaired on site in your neighborhood.

00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:43.800
 They've also replaced what was broken cement with a landscape area.

00:32:43.800 --> 00:32:49.320
 In terms of noise and traffic impacts, vehicles can only exit this site onto South Elm Street,

00:32:49.320 --> 00:32:53.600
 which of course, funnels them away from any of the adjacent residential, and the site

00:32:53.600 --> 00:32:57.000
 plan limits parking to that front lot.

00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.680
 The applicant has also supported a condition of approval that staff has recommended that

00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:06.260
 sale and consumption of alcohol be limited to the interior of the building only.

00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:10.520
 Also the dumpster will be maintained in the front yard rather than being moved to the

00:33:10.520 --> 00:33:15.160
 rear yard, which would have put it directly adjacent to the residential properties there.

00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.000
 In terms of public facilities, specifically reached out to emergency services because

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.760
 there is another ax throwing venue in Denton, Ironwood Ax Throwing on Hickory Street, just

00:33:24.760 --> 00:33:29.240
 asked if they had any emergency service calls, that's been open since December 2019.

00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.680
 They've had no calls to that address, and they expressed no specific concerns about

00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:39.360
 adding the requested bar use to the venue.

00:33:39.360 --> 00:33:43.360
 In terms of transportation, as you can see here, weekday, their estimate is an average

00:33:43.360 --> 00:33:51.640
 of 53.58 daily trips on weekends, get about 123 average daily trips on Saturday, 36 on

00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:52.640
 Sunday.

00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.240
 They are fronting on a primary arterial and there was no TIA that was necessitated by

00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.420
 this number of trips.

00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:05.360
 Solid waste service can continue to be provided through the dumpster on site, water and wastewater

00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:08.480
 in place, new infrastructures needed.

00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.320
 Of course, it's always really important to look at the neighborhood response, we sent

00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:19.240
 out all of our standard notices, we did receive four responses in favor, you can see that

00:34:19.240 --> 00:34:24.640
 includes many of their properties directly adjacent to the property requesting the specific

00:34:24.640 --> 00:34:25.640
 use permit.

00:34:25.640 --> 00:34:30.520
 There was a neighborhood zoom meeting, two attendees came and they were those folks that

00:34:30.520 --> 00:34:34.800
 lived right next door to the north and south.

00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.860
 Their concerns, they expressed, were addressed by the restriction to indoor only service

00:34:38.860 --> 00:34:40.920
 and not having liquor.

00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:47.240
 They specifically said they did not oppose adding the bar use as it was proposed by the

00:34:47.240 --> 00:34:48.240
 applicant.

00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:52.960
 So taking all of these things into consideration, staff recommends approval with the following

00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.360
 conditions as it's consistent with Denton Plan 2030 meets the criteria for approval.

00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.320
 Those conditions are that the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages shall be limited to

00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.120
 the interior of the building and that alcohol, sale and service will be limited to beer and

00:35:06.120 --> 00:35:08.120
 wine and will not include hard liquor.

00:35:08.120 --> 00:35:14.960
 With that, I will take any questions you all have.

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.100
 Any questions for Sean?

00:35:19.100 --> 00:35:21.800
 This is just an education question from my ignorance.

00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:28.440
 I assume there's sort of a percent alcohol definition that's the actual threshold rather

00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.320
 than the kind of beverage.

00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:36.280
 So that would be something that would be set by the actual license that could be obtained

00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:42.520
 by the business based on the definition of wine or beer versus liquor.

00:35:42.520 --> 00:35:46.920
 I believe it's just based on the type of permit they'd be able to obtain.

00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.920
 Thank you.

00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:57.220
 Hey Sean, can you tell me the kind of the context, the rationale behind selling it only

00:35:57.220 --> 00:36:02.640
 on the interior of the building is are there places in town, I mean, I'm thinking like

00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:05.200
 patios that's probably still under the roof line.

00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:09.640
 Is that included or maybe can you help me understand what that means and why it's a

00:36:09.640 --> 00:36:11.000
 condition?

00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:18.120
 So in this case, this would not include under a patio or in that backyard area.

00:36:18.120 --> 00:36:23.800
 The applicant felt that because due to the floodplain they can't put up any sort of fencing

00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.840
 between them and the neighbors in the back that it would not be a particularly neighborly

00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:34.120
 proposition to have activities out there at this time.

00:36:34.120 --> 00:36:36.400
 That might be something that could change in the future.

00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:43.120
 And the applicant was also taking into consideration just some fire code standards that could be

00:36:43.120 --> 00:36:47.400
 triggered based on the number of occupants and so they chose not to use that patio area

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:49.120
 out front at this time.

00:36:49.120 --> 00:36:50.120
 Gotcha.

00:36:50.120 --> 00:36:54.120
 Entirely within and I will say that was also something that was brought up in the neighborhood

00:36:54.120 --> 00:36:59.360
 meeting that the neighbors appreciated that they wouldn't have folks outside adjacent

00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.800
 to their residences.

00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:09.040
 And then this is kind of tangential but the city has reworked a lot of that drainage in

00:37:09.040 --> 00:37:11.480
 that kind of corridor.

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.160
 Is it expected that floodplain will persist?

00:37:14.160 --> 00:37:17.000
 Maybe it's not relevant to this conversation but I am curious.

00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.440
 We just redid all that drainage to I thought remove some of the floodplain designation.

00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.920
 I know Access Bank wanted to build a parking lot and there's some other things kind of

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.280
 happening in the South Elm area.

00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:34.440
 Is there any progress on changing that floodplain there?

00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:39.240
 Did actually we were I was able to speak with Michael Smith for our floodplain administrator

00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:44.560
 as part of this and there is certainly work ongoing that will result in that property

00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:52.000
 eventually in two stages moving out of the floodplain but until the actual designation

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:59.240
 is addressed there's still under restriction about where they can put in place but there's

00:37:59.240 --> 00:38:03.400
 definitely work ongoing and like I say it will be in that property it will be in two

00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:08.960
 phases that it will come out of the floodplain at least based on the plans that I've seen.

00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:09.960
 Gotcha.

00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:10.960
 Okay.

00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:11.960
 Thanks for that update.

00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:12.960
 Commissioner Ellis.

00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:13.960
 Thank you Chair.

00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.540
 Sean can you give any details about the neighborhood meeting?

00:38:16.540 --> 00:38:18.520
 How many people were there?

00:38:18.520 --> 00:38:21.360
 Was there any direct opposition to the request?

00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:22.360
 Certainly.

00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:28.240
 There were two residents that were there and they were I believe their resident directly

00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:33.640
 to the south who has a business and also lives there and then to the northwest.

00:38:33.640 --> 00:38:38.740
 They had a number of questions but basically they expressed that their concerns were satisfied

00:38:38.740 --> 00:38:42.800
 but what they had heard and when I asked them directly they said they had no opposition

00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.840
 to this request as described.

00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:47.840
 Thank you.

00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:49.840
 Any other questions for Sean?

00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:50.840
 Richard?

00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:55.600
 I was just going to have if Sean you can explain the neighbor directly to the west that might

00:38:55.600 --> 00:39:01.520
 since we we haven't received anything from them it might help also put that in perspective.

00:39:01.520 --> 00:39:02.520
 Certainly.

00:39:02.520 --> 00:39:08.960
 The neighbor directly to the west is actually the owner of this property and is technically

00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:16.120
 the signed the applicant is the person operating more but the owner of this property is actually

00:39:16.120 --> 00:39:23.680
 had to sign off on this SUP being submitted so the support is understood to be there because

00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:28.160
 it's the same property owner.

00:39:28.160 --> 00:39:29.160
 Makes sense.

00:39:29.160 --> 00:39:32.600
 Makes for that extra context.

00:39:32.600 --> 00:39:36.560
 Any other questions for item 5A with Sean?

00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:38.180
 Christian or Beck?

00:39:38.180 --> 00:39:39.680
 Thank you Chair.

00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:44.280
 So I know Ironwood is the axe throwing is all inside.

00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.420
 Is the axe throwing all inside on this one?

00:39:47.420 --> 00:39:49.120
 Yes sir.

00:39:49.120 --> 00:39:56.800
 Okay that okay that's it thank you.

00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:58.740
 Any other questions?

00:39:58.740 --> 00:40:00.440
 Great.

00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.840
 Thank you Sean for the presentation.

00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.260
 Before we move on to item 5B I just want to let the record show that Commissioner Anderson

00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:16.760
 has joined us and we are on item 5B as in Bravo Z20-0013 and I'll invite Julie Wyatt

00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:17.760
 for presentation.

00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:28.240
 Good evening let me pull up my presentation.

00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:32.720
 Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the City of Denton and for this item

00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:36.640
 I'm presenting Z20-0013 loves travel stop.

00:40:36.640 --> 00:40:42.400
 So the request before you is to rezone the subject site outlined in yellow from general

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.440
 office and mixed use regional districts to highway corridor district.

00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.840
 The property is developed as a loves travel stop.

00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.560
 I mean the purpose is to facilitate the continued use and restoration of that existing travel

00:40:53.560 --> 00:41:00.920
 plaza after a text dot right of way acquisition that's going to be coming forward soon.

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.240
 So some background on the property before we talk about the zoning case.

00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:08.480
 This property was actually the subject of a zoning request in 2015 that rezoned the

00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:14.760
 property from RCCN to ECC to facilitate the development of the use.

00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.760
 The use was developed in 2017 and 2018.

00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:25.960
 At that time it was under the 2002 code and we didn't have a use that fully encapsulated

00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.120
 the entire facility.

00:41:28.120 --> 00:41:32.400
 Actually what we did under the 2002 code is we looked at the activities that were associated

00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:40.120
 with the use retail sales drive through restaurant car wash those sorts of things and we looked

00:41:40.120 --> 00:41:46.160
 to see if they were permitted and that's how the use was classified to capture those activities.

00:41:46.160 --> 00:41:51.520
 So that that loves travel stop was constructed in 2019.

00:41:51.520 --> 00:42:01.440
 As you know we adopted the 2019 development code and within that that new code we had

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.560
 a new use.

00:42:02.560 --> 00:42:08.200
 So instead of having all of those disparate uses and we now have one use that describes

00:42:08.200 --> 00:42:10.720
 the entire site and that's travel plaza.

00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:18.240
 So it includes all of those things like gas station parking rest stop other services to

00:42:18.240 --> 00:42:22.200
 motors to motorists.

00:42:22.200 --> 00:42:27.680
 With the 2019 code that the zoning for the site also transitioned to geo and MR districts

00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:32.200
 for that that transition table which made this use non-conforming.

00:42:32.200 --> 00:42:36.400
 So now it brings us to the present text dot has approached the property.

00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:41.360
 They are going to be acquiring a strip of property along the frontage and that's going

00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.700
 to be that's going to require the removal of some landscaping parking and also a portion

00:42:45.700 --> 00:42:51.720
 of that fuel canopy and so in order to restore the site the property owner has purchased

00:42:51.720 --> 00:42:57.000
 an additional four point seven acres just to the west of the site and will and is pursuing

00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.800
 the rezoning in order to kind of restore that site.

00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.400
 So now we'll get to this current request.

00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:08.400
 So you see the current zoning map showing that combination of MR and geo districts and

00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.600
 then the proposed zoning of that HC district in red.

00:43:12.600 --> 00:43:16.460
 The criteria for approval are in subchapter two of the debt and development code and we'll

00:43:16.460 --> 00:43:19.480
 kind of touch on those as we talk about the project.

00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:24.600
 The site is in is in a business innovation feature land use designation that's intended

00:43:24.600 --> 00:43:31.440
 for large tracts of land for employment parks and employment uses also supporting uses such

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.320
 as retail hotels and residential so that commercial piece.

00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:41.780
 Given this site's location next to I-35 the HC district is consistent with the future

00:43:41.780 --> 00:43:42.780
 land use map.

00:43:42.780 --> 00:43:47.960
 It really was kind of made for this kind of location along a highway and it does allow

00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:53.800
 for the development of both employment uses as well as those supporting commercial uses

00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.760
 at those highway scales.

00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:02.680
 Another thing we're going to touch on is significant changes to warrant the change with that implementation

00:44:02.680 --> 00:44:09.400
 of the 2019 debt and development code the site did become nonconforming and so and then

00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:14.440
 and as I talked about with that present condition they are going to need to make some changes

00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:19.920
 to the site to accommodate that textile right of way acquisition so so really that is what's

00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.760
 precipitating this zoning change.

00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:31.000
 We looked at that impacts regarding the surrounding properties as I stated HC HC district is appropriate

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:32.000
 in this area.

00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:38.680
 This is this is kind of at the intersection of I-35 as well as highway 77 to the east

00:44:38.680 --> 00:44:41.440
 of the site.

00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:46.040
 It's the area has a lot of undeveloped property but it also has a lot of transportation related

00:44:46.040 --> 00:44:51.880
 uses so just north of the site there's a truck wash just due east to the site.

00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:57.840
 There's another travel stop and as this area develops staff does anticipate that properties

00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:04.440
 adjacent to I-35 will develop with those commercial unemployment uses that you typically find

00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.680
 along highways and which are permitted in the HC district.

00:45:08.680 --> 00:45:14.920
 And one other thing to note this is in a gateway area within the city and so HC does require

00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.080
 those commercial design standards so we want to make sure that our gateways look nice and

00:45:19.080 --> 00:45:24.720
 that they look that they're developed in a way that that we we expect commercial development

00:45:24.720 --> 00:45:28.800
 to to to move forward.

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.400
 One other thing I want to touch on and that is public facilities.

00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.880
 This isn't introducing a new use to this intersection it really is just maintaining that existing

00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:41.080
 use at its current scale.

00:45:41.080 --> 00:45:48.000
 There is adequate access to the property from I-35 no additional trips are anticipated.

00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:54.360
 Barthold Road is is anticipated to be improved adjacent to the site in the next two to three

00:45:54.360 --> 00:46:03.000
 years I-35 will eventually expand north and from University and capture this site and

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:10.120
 as you can see on on your screen that access road will take in that the front area of that

00:46:10.120 --> 00:46:16.720
 loves Barthold Road will will be expanded to three lanes each way with some turn lanes

00:46:16.720 --> 00:46:22.360
 so those are those are transportation improvements that are expected in the future.

00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:26.640
 And as I said because it's not a redevelopment of the site they'll just maintain their existing

00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:28.960
 water and sewer lines.

00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:34.960
 Public outreach was sent out we received one letter in favor and that is for the site just

00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.720
 to the north of the subject property.

00:46:37.720 --> 00:46:42.120
 Staff recommends the approval of the request we do anticipate it to go to the February

00:46:42.120 --> 00:46:46.800
 16th City Council meeting and I'll be happy to stand for any questions.

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:53.600
 So any questions for Julie.

00:46:53.600 --> 00:46:58.920
 Thanks Julie are they going to lose the car wash on the north side once they expand that

00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:03.680
 roadway the new expansion that Barthold Road.

00:47:03.680 --> 00:47:13.760
 Oh you know I don't I have not looked into that as far as the that property just north

00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:14.760
 of Barthold.

00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:24.360
 I haven't looked at that is terms of where the I-35 impact will potentially cause any

00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:31.120
 requirements for that site so so if it does I'm sure it will be forthcoming soon but I'm

00:47:31.120 --> 00:47:32.600
 not sure as of now.

00:47:32.600 --> 00:47:38.160
 Gotcha thank you very much I just was this I'm sure when they were developing that loves

00:47:38.160 --> 00:47:42.320
 did they not take in consideration that service road going that was going to go in I mean

00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.200
 it seems like they're going to spend a lot of money to fix something if they would have

00:47:45.200 --> 00:47:50.000
 just waited a few months or so you know they could have done it the right way the first

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.000
 time.

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:59.480
 You know I have I'm not exactly sure I wasn't involved in the project at that time but you

00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.000
 know given the the continued expansion of I-35 I'm not sure if those plans had been

00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:09.000
 drawn up at that time so I'm I you know we we do try to work with applicants to make

00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.320
 sure that they're aware of future changes but you know I'm not sure if they were available

00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:14.320
 at that time.

00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.800
 No problem thank you very much.

00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:23.960
 Any other questions for Julie hey Julie was this an imminent domain or they voluntarily

00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:25.960
 sell this to TextDOT?

00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:31.680
 I'm not sure typically we we do hear from property owners where TextDOT reaches out

00:48:31.680 --> 00:48:36.880
 and they they they work with TextDOT to figure out the best way to to approach this I'm not

00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:41.640
 sure how that's working out in this instance what sort of negotiations they've had with

00:48:41.640 --> 00:48:44.240
 TextDOT thus far.

00:48:44.240 --> 00:48:48.800
 To Commissioner Anderson's point it kind of frames my thought process around this more

00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:53.120
 if they like voluntarily entered into redoing their entire project or if this is kind of

00:48:53.120 --> 00:48:59.480
 a response to not having an option.

00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:03.920
 We are there a representative for the applicant is supposed to be calling in tonight so he

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:08.000
 may be able to provide more information regarding that for you tonight.

00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.800
 And the other question I had Julie and this is more of a global city question in terms

00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:19.160
 of planning is we have another item on the same street coming up next and we think about

00:49:19.160 --> 00:49:25.440
 that intersection I believe is is a deep dark circle on like the mobility plan you said

00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:32.720
 they call it a gateway right so this one South I-35E and I think I-35W are these main entrances

00:49:32.720 --> 00:49:39.200
 and maybe on 380 these are the main entrances in the city and it seems like we have planned

00:49:39.200 --> 00:49:46.680
 for or resigned ourselves to a gateway part of the north just being a truck Mecca all

00:49:46.680 --> 00:49:53.000
 things truck stop truck wash and I'm curious if if this is like a resignation of the city

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.560
 that this is what we want our gateway from Oklahoma to be or if I just don't know how

00:49:58.560 --> 00:50:04.640
 the city views and maybe you can help inform me on how they planned or was the vision of

00:50:04.640 --> 00:50:09.760
 what a gateway was supposed to look like with did it have aesthetics or is it just like

00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:13.760
 there's gonna be a lot of people here let's just note it on a map I just love to know

00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:20.120
 what a gateway is supposed to be if it has that designation so our didn't plan 2030 identified

00:50:20.120 --> 00:50:26.960
 several areas and they globally called them focus areas so it would be and I'm referring

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:32.920
 to my dent plan right now centers corridors gateways and branding stations and then travel

00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:42.400
 centers so so they did provide for these or looked at these areas and and and indicated

00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:50.280
 those are areas that should be planned through small area plans in the future so as we are

00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:57.160
 continuing to implement our dent and plan 2030 and update our twin dent and plan 2030

00:50:57.160 --> 00:51:04.080
 we are you know we should be looking at these areas in terms of design and part of and part

00:51:04.080 --> 00:51:09.640
 of the the intent of having those commercial design standards at these gateway areas is

00:51:09.640 --> 00:51:14.080
 to ensure that they will be designed in a commercial way you know we look long and hard

00:51:14.080 --> 00:51:20.240
 when somebody wants to come in with a specific zoning district to make sure it would be designed

00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:26.080
 in accordance with with what we would deem to be commercial or office standards so that's

00:51:26.080 --> 00:51:33.400
 kind of how we've looked at approached it thus far but in the future there may be additional

00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:37.920
 small area plans that the city undertakes in order to look at specific standards for

00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:46.120
 these these different focus areas I think that answer my question probably not to my

00:51:46.120 --> 00:51:53.040
 full satisfaction but that's okay I I will just say I think Denton is an economically

00:51:53.040 --> 00:51:58.400
 diverse interesting place between the colleges and Peterbilt and all what's happening in

00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:07.080
 the industrial park and I mean we have a myriad of things to showcase and I certainly it's

00:52:07.080 --> 00:52:11.600
 it's very well aware if you're driving up I-35E one of the first businesses to Denton

00:52:11.600 --> 00:52:16.520
 is Buckeyes if you're driving up I-35W one of the last businesses before you get to Denton

00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:20.760
 is Buckeyes if you're driving in from Gainesville down to Denton one of the first things you

00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:25.560
 see when you crossing the borders is love's truck stop and I don't want Denton to be known

00:52:25.560 --> 00:52:29.600
 as people who drive through our town as man they got a lot of gas and fueling stations

00:52:29.600 --> 00:52:37.400
 when we have a very vast diversity of economy that I like to showcase to those just driving

00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:41.160
 through Denton I think the project we approved a couple weeks ago behind Acme Brick gets

00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:45.920
 us you know closer to showcasing those things and so I just think maybe we should get a

00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:51.960
 small area plan in place for the northeastern part of Elm and 35 sooner rather than later

00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:57.040
 so we can actually as a city start planning what we want that gateway and what we want

00:52:57.040 --> 00:53:03.440
 our introduction to the city to be more than reacting to companies rightfully wanting to

00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:09.240
 drive economic action in town I think this is great for our economy the next project

00:53:09.240 --> 00:53:14.760
 seems to be economically positive but if if the idea is to have a small area plan for

00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:19.640
 these centers then I would say let's go ahead and start that process especially since we

00:53:19.640 --> 00:53:29.320
 have it seems like a little bit of an open quadrant at that intersection north of town

00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:34.360
 Chris you're back in the thank you chair in the interest of discussion real briefly then

00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:43.900
 what what would you envision I mean are you in you know envisioning you know I mean what

00:53:43.900 --> 00:53:54.040
 would be your recommendation if you want if you were you know Lord Governor of the city

00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:58.400
 I like where that was heading so off the cuff I just said we have a zone the future land

00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:03.580
 use maps as business innovation in that area and so I would want business innovation however

00:54:03.580 --> 00:54:08.440
 that looks like and I think when it was first pitched to me my understanding of what business

00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:15.480
 innovation is was like more corporate campus type infrastructure large buildings I bring

00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:22.400
 in a diversity of jobs keep residents from commuting out of Denton but house tops staying

00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:29.800
 in Denton and so if I could wave a magic wand I would I would want like a corporate headquarters

00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:35.720
 to to be competitive with with Frisco we were losing a ton of business campuses that are

00:54:35.720 --> 00:54:42.680
 just you know buildings to other cities and I would love to win some of those and we have

00:54:42.680 --> 00:54:50.200
 a designated spot in our city to build those and so I'm not saying that a loves truck stop

00:54:50.200 --> 00:54:54.880
 is not an economic driver of our city I just don't know if I historically or contextually

00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:59.760
 would define that as business innovation and I would love to attract I know we have a thriving

00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.820
 ed tech market kind of downtown in our city there's there's industries that I think we

00:55:04.820 --> 00:55:08.840
 can we can more actively approach and lure in I'm not talking about tax abatement or

00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:15.280
 anything else but I'm just talking about getting diversity into our town in the way that keeps

00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:24.480
 our house tops in Denton for eating and working and living I think that's admirable and I'm

00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.680
 I'm not pushing back at all the reason I asked my question chair was those are businesses

00:55:30.680 --> 00:55:39.880
 there now and sort of to put a to put an Apple ask Google Oracle ask campus right there means

00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:47.480
 we have to build north of it or south of it and and we we I mean I don't see a reason

00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:57.200
 to to D travel Plaza the intersection you know unless that's actually what you're advocating

00:55:57.200 --> 00:56:05.200
 is to is the eventual D truck detruckment of that intersection no no no I think that

00:56:05.200 --> 00:56:11.080
 that truck intersection has been a lot of ways symbolic of the north side of town and

00:56:11.080 --> 00:56:15.640
 I think it adds to the culture as you go into cram and things like that I certainly don't

00:56:15.640 --> 00:56:21.520
 want to D truck the intersection but I'm saying I would like to showcase the diversity of

00:56:21.520 --> 00:56:26.600
 our economy for for the sake of fuel who is driving through town or or thinking about

00:56:26.600 --> 00:56:31.940
 moving to Denton that we have the ability to showcase on the biggest road in our in

00:56:31.940 --> 00:56:41.280
 our town Christopher Cole lecture that area has been a truck Mecca for over 40 years so

00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:50.200
 this is nothing new I mean this has been there since I was a little child all that so I mean

00:56:50.200 --> 00:56:57.480
 it's a trucking area always has been a trucking area you know I mean we've got these manufacturers

00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:05.200
 down Tetra Pak Peterbilt you got to have to have a trucking area I mean somewhere and

00:57:05.200 --> 00:57:11.480
 it's been there for damn near over 45 years and I don't you know I'm not panicked about

00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:20.480
 it you know I think it's it's expected that's where I would expect to go you know just because

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:24.720
 you know I mean there were more truck stops there back in the day you know that whole

00:57:24.720 --> 00:57:29.580
 thing was all nothing but truck stops so I just wanted to throw that history out there

00:57:29.580 --> 00:57:36.160
 so there's nothing new yeah Christopher I really appreciate that I'm not anti truck

00:57:36.160 --> 00:57:41.640
 stop at all and and it's been there and I'd love to keep it there I'm not against this

00:57:41.640 --> 00:57:48.480
 project either I just I guess my core fear as I look at the city is we have this area

00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:53.700
 of business innovation if it just comes truck stops is that a deterrent for other companies

00:57:53.700 --> 00:57:57.640
 coming in I don't know it wouldn't be for me necessarily I just if we have a lot of

00:57:57.640 --> 00:58:02.760
 semis just parking there overnight and and cluttering the the kind of smaller roads on

00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:08.760
 Elm right there is it a turn for expansion outside of the of the trucking industry or

00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.520
 if didn't wants to be like known as like the truck capital of Texas then let's just own

00:58:12.520 --> 00:58:17.440
 it I'm not trying to assess opinion on that rather just trying to figure out what business

00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:24.280
 innovation is and what a gateway to the city is Christian Smith thank you not to belabor

00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:29.000
 the point and the last from any other work session as we need to get to but I think just

00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:34.040
 I would want to second the chairs recommendation maybe council if we can start maybe learn

00:58:34.040 --> 00:58:39.000
 council staff we can start looking at a small area plan especially with that really truly

00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:45.120
 being as 100 coal ranch down 35w begins to expand I mean that really is going to be the

00:58:45.120 --> 00:58:50.080
 gateway for both east and west future Denton and so I think it might be important and I

00:58:50.080 --> 00:58:55.320
 if you know to answer Commissioner Beck's point if if I had a magic wand for for Commissioner

00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:00.600
 Rosella way if I you know a nice rest stop I mean I know it's still trucking but something

00:59:00.600 --> 00:59:05.920
 that's a nice visitor center something that's that maybe even a park something that's that's

00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.040
 there that that'd be welcoming to the travelers to stop down as you're at the loves they go

00:59:10.040 --> 00:59:14.280
 across the street to a really nice city park something like that I mean there's a there's

00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:18.400
 a number of different things we could do that would be that would be welcoming and inclusive

00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:25.040
 so um yeah just an idea thank you Smith uh Commissioner Ellis thank you chair yeah and

00:59:25.040 --> 00:59:29.800
 just to offer my two cents on that you know I had brought up with staff earlier the the

00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:34.960
 mention of the word gateway and what that means and does staff take that into consideration

00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.200
 when considering some of these requests and to chair's point and Commissioner Smith's

00:59:39.200 --> 00:59:43.520
 point I mean you got to have a vision for what a gateway is right and a gateway certainly

00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:49.320
 should be welcoming and if what we're putting in there are transient things like trucks

00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.480
 and truck stops and things that kind of pass through a city that's not really welcoming

00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:58.960
 um so we if we're going to designate something as a gateway and I believe this area we have

00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:04.840
 um I know on a small area plan committee I was on we picked the gateways of the city

01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:11.160
 um and if we are going to designate that we should have some kind of plan for them so

01:00:11.160 --> 01:00:16.680
 that it makes decisions we make for the future easier if we know what we want there in future

01:00:16.680 --> 01:00:24.720
 development thank you Commissioner Ellis Commissioner Smith I'm sorry and as as Commissioner Ellis

01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:28.960
 was was talking there I mean even more so we have the the high school is going to be

01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:34.160
 going in there we've seen more and more developments that are coming up 428 and along that north

01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:38.960
 side of 288 there that we're probably gonna have some home home developments up that area

01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:43.520
 at some point in time too so yeah I think I think even though this has nothing to do

01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:48.280
 with the zoning request I think it it brings up an idea to us in the commission that we

01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:52.720
 maybe need to point out the city now that a small area plan probably is a good time

01:00:52.720 --> 01:01:02.280
 for us start discussing this Christian back yeah I am actually I I take everyone's point

01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:09.120
 that that's saying that I would like a better you know Oklahoma side uh Gainesville side

01:01:09.120 --> 01:01:16.200
 gateway to Denton then then then maybe an industrial truck stop my my point to to chair

01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:20.740
 earlier was simply that you know if we're going to have a small area plan if we want

01:01:20.740 --> 01:01:28.100
 to have a beautification plan and you don't think a a trucking center is compatible then

01:01:28.100 --> 01:01:35.440
 you're eventually talking about the detruckment if I can use my own word uh that I coined

01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:43.480
 10 minutes ago uh of that region if if if if trucking is incompatible with the vision

01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:50.760
 then then we might as well do the hard math now until these businesses out you go um which

01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:56.840
 I don't I don't know of a mechanism to do that but um other you know otherwise I would

01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:02.680
 say take chair's point and and the other commissioner's point and and develop a small area plan just

01:02:02.680 --> 01:02:09.940
 north of it or just south of it um but uh I'm not I'm not comfortable you know telling

01:02:09.940 --> 01:02:16.320
 telling this this trucking area that you have to detruck so anyway I don't want to get in

01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:22.040
 we're we're we're way off in the weeds here so well I appreciate the engagement of the

01:02:22.040 --> 01:02:26.680
 discussion I can certainly add this I'll I'll be adding this to the matrix uh in a couple

01:02:26.680 --> 01:02:31.260
 hours uh to revisit more in depth Richard do you have something to add the only thing

01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:36.560
 I wanted to add this will be back in the very very near future this will be one of those

01:02:36.560 --> 01:02:40.920
 items that we're going to discuss as part of the comp plan update and so we just had

01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:45.600
 our sort of pre-kickoff meeting with with the consultant last week and so this will

01:02:45.600 --> 01:02:50.160
 be in front of you sooner than later but I think on a much on a much larger scale as

01:02:50.160 --> 01:02:55.920
 well and I think we need to look even a little broader in the past you know we've had these

01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:03.440
 areas even um land use our our rural or rural areas um this area part part partly has that

01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:08.840
 with that rural area zoning where we really didn't capture um how we wanted to see the

01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:14.360
 city grow and so uh we we do we get into these reactionary um uh moments when when

01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:19.720
 we get a project in uh and it kind of gives us a hard it's hard for us sometimes to analyze

01:03:19.720 --> 01:03:23.880
 it because we don't have anything to analyze it with because we've always had these areas

01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:28.920
 as the holding you know as the holding zone or the holding area well um it's no longer

01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:33.720
 the holding area that this is where development is occurring and um I think as a city as we

01:03:33.720 --> 01:03:39.600
 grow we just need to really keep that keep that focus on um how we designate these areas

01:03:39.600 --> 01:03:45.400
 from a land use and and the appropriate zoning um and and again going back to the difference

01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:52.040
 between il versus go why they both do allow similar uses um the go does put in in place

01:03:52.040 --> 01:03:56.520
 those those design requirements um so that was one of the big the big components at least

01:03:56.520 --> 01:04:01.520
 to this um to this proposal if that if that helps at all yeah thanks richard look forward

01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:06.240
 to coming back and i just think to summarize uh kind of my point is i'd rather the city

01:04:06.240 --> 01:04:12.640
 maintain a position of proactivity and control uh planning vision forecasting than uh being

01:04:12.640 --> 01:04:18.240
 reactive all the time and then this area kind of highlights that for me uh julie thank you

01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:27.480
 for the presentation you have one more uh that's item 5c uh it's pd 20-002a um and you

01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:37.440
 have the floor when ready all right uh can everyone see my presentation yes okay so this

01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:43.720
 is pd 20 0002 hershbach so we're staying in the same area that we were talking about

01:04:43.720 --> 01:04:49.520
 earlier this request is a zoning change from general office and rural residential districts

01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:55.240
 to a planned development district on 90 acres the purpose of the pd is to define a new use

01:04:55.240 --> 01:05:00.320
 fleet service provider and the use specific standards associated with it and provide a

01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:11.320
 development plan for 38 acres um with 52 acres remaining for future development so the current

01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:17.840
 zoning map shows the subject site here outlined in black you've got the go along the frontage

01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:25.240
 of highway 77 and loop 288 with uh rural residential on the north side of the property um it would

01:05:25.240 --> 01:05:36.040
 if approved transition to pd with go as the base zoning district um overall uh the this

01:05:36.040 --> 01:05:42.920
 is the pd overall the phase one would be the proposed fleet service provider um and uh

01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:47.800
 the definition is in your backup it's a business that supports the movement of goods um by

01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:52.360
 means of truck transport and is not open to the general public primary activities would

01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:58.960
 include driver training support services company administration uh customer support sales accessory

01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:04.680
 uses would be fleet storage maintenance facilities fuel station and truck wash base the definition

01:06:04.680 --> 01:06:10.720
 excludes warehousing storage or transfer of goods and this and um and i just reiterate

01:06:10.720 --> 01:06:14.480
 this this use would not be open to the public so this is a little different than the use

01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:20.240
 that we talked about earlier where that travel plaza is open um to the general motoring public

01:06:20.240 --> 01:06:25.320
 this would be just for the employees of that business um it includes use specific standards

01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:32.160
 for that for buffers um and then phase two because it's in a pd any development of that

01:06:32.160 --> 01:06:36.560
 remaining acreage would require a major pd amendment and approval by the planning and

01:06:36.560 --> 01:06:40.800
 zoning commission and city council through the dual public hearing process um just to

01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:48.480
 give you a lay of the land as far as the the surrounding roadway network um it is the site

01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:54.440
 the subject property we're talking about today is um is adjacent to highway 77 with that

01:06:54.440 --> 01:07:01.480
 specific phase one just fronting on 77 um the larger development also includes frontage

01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:08.240
 along loop 288 and bonnie bray bonnie bray is designated as an arterial however in that

01:07:08.240 --> 01:07:13.040
 area if you have driven it lately it is it is not designed to those arterial standards

01:07:13.040 --> 01:07:20.740
 as of now um and it is near the i-35 corridor it's about 2900 feet from that intersection

01:07:20.740 --> 01:07:29.880
 of highway 77 and i-35 um the pd standards would follow the go standards um and um and

01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:34.640
 including uh that phase one hey julie can interrupt real fast i think commissioner beck

01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:43.000
 has a question sure you're on mute oh there you go yep sorry uh there we go uh yeah no

01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:49.640
 this this actually this this slide is is just as good as the previous one um are we defining

01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:57.800
 this use with this action or is fleet service provider previously defined it is not previously

01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:02.760
 defined great question so um this that the intent of this pd is to kind of define that

01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:10.000
 use and um and uh and seek approval of a development plan for that use uh the code doesn't really

01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:15.760
 have a use that adequately captures um what they're proposing to do so if you recall in

01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:20.240
 my previous presentation where that travel plaza used we used we looked at all of the

01:08:20.240 --> 01:08:25.760
 different uses that would um go on those activities that would go on the on that site and we sort

01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:30.600
 of just kind of all lumped them together um with the new code we created one use that

01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:36.280
 captured everything um this pd kind of does the same thing it's creating a use that captures

01:08:36.280 --> 01:08:42.000
 all of the activities um but also provides those limitations on it and that limitation

01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:46.560
 being that it's not open to the general public and those additional buffer standards so that

01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:58.040
 is the intent of this of this pd so um just just to clarify if any future if if uh if

01:08:58.040 --> 01:09:04.560
 chair waves his magic wand and we become the trucking mecca of of north texas um this would

01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:10.660
 be the standard we would use for um competitive fleet service provision in denton and other

01:09:10.660 --> 01:09:17.020
 locations um this is a this is a use that we are considering as part of of our refinement

01:09:17.020 --> 01:09:25.240
 of our 2019 code to potentially adding in there um um for for other developments but

01:09:25.240 --> 01:09:32.400
 as of now approval of this pd would not permit approval of this use in any other place but

01:09:32.400 --> 01:09:39.480
 right here so we're not we're not so i'm confused now i'm not trying to be aggressive or anything

01:09:39.480 --> 01:09:43.640
 are we setting a standard for fleet service provision or are we not setting a standard

01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:50.160
 for fleet service provision we are setting um as part of this um we are setting that

01:09:50.160 --> 01:09:57.120
 definition kind of how we're we're approaching that definition but it is not generally applicable

01:09:57.120 --> 01:10:03.200
 throughout the city at this time am i okay does that make all right richard may want

01:10:03.200 --> 01:10:08.600
 to jump in here if i may help a little bit there's a there's a provision in the ddc um

01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:16.680
 chapter uh sub chapter five uh 524 that allows um for the director to um classify or create

01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:21.660
 new uses uh in in addition with that established use specific standards when when they first

01:10:21.660 --> 01:10:26.840
 approached us we were not comfortable just allowing this use um because it didn't quite

01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:32.920
 fit um with with that travel plaza anymore we didn't want to allow these everywhere and

01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:37.240
 so that's where it was sort of the creation of this new use um given this parcel it was

01:10:37.240 --> 01:10:42.720
 through through a pd um that way it gives us some time to further examine it and then

01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:47.320
 if we need to establish use specific standards or require an sup i think that'll be something

01:10:47.320 --> 01:10:53.920
 that will be discussed later as we uh as we look at the refinement of the ddc over the

01:10:53.920 --> 01:11:01.300
 next couple months and so i guess the follow-up question is are these use standards um based

01:11:01.300 --> 01:11:07.720
 on the request of the developer and these are the kinds of uses that they would like

01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:12.000
 to see because they're creating it and we're therefore setting our standard to match their

01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:21.400
 creation or these based on sort of mpa based definitions of of fleet service provision

01:11:21.400 --> 01:11:26.240
 that you know many cities kind of use again i'm you know i'm just trying to understand

01:11:26.240 --> 01:11:32.720
 you know as as we develop new uses where where where are they coming from and and what and

01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:39.600
 you know or are we creating them on the fly to match a development

01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:44.520
 the challenges in the past these have been identified as a as a travel plaza we further

01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:49.960
 define travel plaza to exclude these types of uses because they would be they could be

01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:57.560
 permitted everywhere um part of the challenge is um you know new uses pop up all all the

01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:03.420
 time and so for me it's let's let's just call it what it is um define it that way and that

01:12:03.420 --> 01:12:10.480
 way it's clear um and and avoid any vagueness or ambiguity um define the use and then as

01:12:10.480 --> 01:12:15.720
 we add it you know add it into the ddc but then at that point it's up do we want to allow

01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:22.520
 it as as a by right um with you specific standards or through a through an sup in in this particular

01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:27.000
 instance it was related to this parcel while it had the go we're not saying that it should

01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:34.280
 go um in go but it incorporated with this pd provided you know the the variety of of

01:12:34.280 --> 01:12:40.520
 items that that are that julie will go through um we felt as though it it it could be appropriate

01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:46.600
 at this location hey thanks guys i appreciate it a follow-up to that richard that maybe

01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:53.720
 you can clarify if this and maybe commissioner beck was asking the same question i didn't

01:12:53.720 --> 01:13:01.640
 interpret the answer if if we added a use for fleet services to the table would it be

01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:09.400
 permitted in go would it require an sup in go and then if it's the latter why are we

01:13:09.400 --> 01:13:15.480
 using a pd and not an sup in geo i'm confused when i think about the chart of uses per zoning

01:13:15.480 --> 01:13:22.920
 category is is the fleet service provider as you see it in in the chart the matrix would

01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:30.200
 it fall under go and then if it does what letter would be in that cell would it be permitted

01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:36.760
 sup what how do you envision this i think it'll be part of that that that broader policy

01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:41.640
 discussion but but for me to me it would be more appropriate in in the industrial some of the

01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:48.360
 whether it be heavy industrial um at that point we were we were not wanting to support a a zoning

01:13:48.360 --> 01:13:53.400
 change to to that type of uh district i'm kind of going back before the the go while it does

01:13:53.400 --> 01:13:59.320
 allow for some of those industrial just um uses uh it does require uh site design standards where

01:13:59.320 --> 01:14:07.000
 the industrial districts do not and so um we were again it it is located across the street um

01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:12.040
 looking at their current facility it doesn't seem to be too noxious of a use but i think that's one

01:14:12.040 --> 01:14:20.680
 of those as we as we kind of um move down move down the ladder on on refining these um the ddc

01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:25.160
 that'll be part of that overall discussion beginning at dcrc and where where should some

01:14:25.160 --> 01:14:31.000
 of these new uses where does it make sense and where is it appropriate so if i could um repeat

01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:36.520
 back what i heard just so i understood it it sounds like the city in general is okay with fleet

01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:44.280
 services being at this location but they were hesitant on just rezoning it industrial because

01:14:44.280 --> 01:14:51.400
 all uses under industrial would not necessarily be supported but this particular one the city would

01:14:51.400 --> 01:14:57.800
 support in this general location did i understand that correctly in a so in association with the pd

01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:03.240
 exactly where right correct refining the use to exactly the land use that the applicants wanting

01:15:03.240 --> 01:15:07.000
 correct but not necessarily setting that as the standard we may want to include additional

01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:12.840
 standards as we as we look at parcels that could or could not develop and so it may end up being

01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:18.920
 being an sup um but again that i think that'll just take a a much larger discussion um yeah

01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:23.800
 regardless of this vote tonight it sounds like there's a lot of discussion that needs to be

01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:29.080
 happening around this commissioner cole you had your hand up before mr alice so richard you said

01:15:29.080 --> 01:15:35.400
 basically they're just moving across the street expanding and moving across the street correct

01:15:35.400 --> 01:15:43.480
 so that use is already across the street correct okay thank you commissioner alice

01:15:46.440 --> 01:15:52.280
 thank you chair yeah so richard julie i so i guess what the pd is doing is trying to make this

01:15:52.280 --> 01:16:03.960
 use that we don't have defined fit into a geo zoning standard of building i have that correct

01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:08.520
 yep as the basin i know julie has a number of a lot more slides that will probably

01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:14.600
 answer some of those questions okay yeah i can't feel can't help but feel like it's a little bit

01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:21.640
 of a manipulation of the code in a way um that i'm not sure that it is really a good thing for

01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:26.920
 our city to be doing um but at any rate i know we have a lot more presentation to hear so um

01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:36.360
 i'll stop talking so we can do that uh julie back to you all right so um so the the pd would

01:16:36.360 --> 01:16:42.040
 have to follow all of geo development standards and dimensional standards and use standards

01:16:44.280 --> 01:16:52.040
 and then the the fleet services use also um i've got on there that phase one um they they're meeting

01:16:52.040 --> 01:16:57.320
 that tree preservation requirement um the landscaping they are providing those additional

01:16:57.320 --> 01:17:06.680
 buffers along um the the uh the west north and east property lines um they are so are also providing

01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:13.560
 um overall tree canopy that's that's actually exceeds geo um given the the trees that they're

01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:21.560
 proposed to plant as well as the um the existing canopy it's about 41 of the lot um and uh and then

01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:26.680
 any development on the site would have to any buildings would have to conform to um the ddc

01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:31.480
 section 7.10.5 which is the which are those commercial development standards they're also

01:17:31.480 --> 01:17:36.840
 proposing some open space recreation amenities um and we'll talk about those um the one change

01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:45.480
 to the permitted uses um once again is inclusion with that uh fleet service provider so um so just

01:17:45.480 --> 01:17:51.640
 wanted to talk about their site plan briefly they are proposing um first the area in green is their

01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:57.720
 24 000 square foot administration and support building um it would include uh company offices

01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:03.800
 conference rooms uh training rooms exercise space laundry facilities day rooms and changing rooms

01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:10.760
 places for their drivers to use it includes as proposed in 19 000 square foot uh inspection

01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:17.480
 and truck wash here a truck repair shop in this location and those more intense uses are located

01:18:17.480 --> 01:18:23.400
 toward the rear of the property behind some existing trees and and parking lot screening

01:18:23.400 --> 01:18:32.440
 they're also proposing a walking loop for their drivers in this location fenced dog park to be um

01:18:32.440 --> 01:18:37.480
 to be in this general location long-term car storage as well as tractor trailer storage

01:18:37.480 --> 01:18:44.840
 toward the rear of the property um and then 123 parking spaces um for for visitors um for that

01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:50.920
 office space and then two access driveways to highway 77 so as we talked about earlier

01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:55.000
 the site has frontage to highway 77 and that's where access would come from

01:18:56.280 --> 01:19:02.840
 here is just a brief discussion of their landscape plan uh this this uh west property line would

01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:09.000
 include a 30-foot landscape buffer with the north and east property lines showing a 20-foot landscape

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:14.840
 buffer within that area three ornamental trees would need to need to be planted every 25 linear

01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:22.200
 feet uh 474 additional ornamental trees um i'm sorry which would include which would be for a

01:19:22.200 --> 01:19:29.560
 total of 474 additional ornamental trees plus one large canopy tree every 30 linear feet we want to

01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:35.480
 make sure that those buffers have a substantial amount of landscaping material in them so that

01:19:35.480 --> 01:19:41.480
 they screen those those more intense uses on to the rear of the site and those need to be at

01:19:41.480 --> 01:19:47.000
 least 50 evergreen once again we want to make sure that they that there's adequate screening in the

01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:53.800
 winter time as well two bioswales are proposed along the subject property their detention pond

01:19:53.800 --> 01:20:00.840
 is located here and there's a bioswale proposed here and then in this location the code defines

01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:05.640
 a bioswale is a vegetated channel designed to transport store and allow for infiltration of

01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:11.320
 water as a landscape feature to allow that water to be cleaned especially adjacent to some of that

01:20:11.320 --> 01:20:16.520
 impervious area and once again i talked about that mature tree canopy there's also a substantial

01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:22.200
 amount of tree preservation along um this area here it's kind of separating that admin building

01:20:22.200 --> 01:20:28.840
 from um that that more maintenance area and then right-of-way screening in accordance with um the

01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:35.400
 uh the dent in development code uh the criteria for approval is in sub chapter two um in summary

01:20:35.400 --> 01:20:41.000
 the project is consistent with the general criteria um but we're going to kind of go we're

01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:45.000
 going to touch on these as we move forward with the development with the um discussion of the

01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:50.920
 property and then there is specific criteria for approval for pd's um so first of all we're going

01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:56.440
 to talk about dent plan 2030 um i we're uh we're kind of still in in that business innovation

01:20:56.440 --> 01:21:01.880
 discussion um as stated before that's kind of intended for those large tracts of plan

01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:07.400
 um for well-planned um larger scale office and employment uses with those supporting uses

01:21:07.400 --> 01:21:13.240
 go and li are typically the districts that we look at i know we talked earlier about hc

01:21:14.040 --> 01:21:20.600
 but but typically we see geo and li within business innovation they are proposing that

01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:26.200
 base zoning of geo which is consistent with the future land use map but as we look at the

01:21:26.200 --> 01:21:33.000
 differences between geo and li we we really gravitate toward geo on these more visible

01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:39.400
 corridors because it does come with those commercial and office development standards

01:21:39.400 --> 01:21:46.280
 as well as that minimum tree canopy of 30 overall just so make sure that our corridors

01:21:46.280 --> 01:21:49.960
 are developed with those higher development standards

01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:58.520
 and then i want to talk about the overall goals with the dent plan 2030 so it also brings in element

01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:04.040
 six and that's our mobility element and our mobility element talks about freight transportation

01:22:04.040 --> 01:22:10.520
 is a key economic component of the region it provides a statistic that 98 percent of the u.s

01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:14.920
 mainland population can be reached from that i-35 corridor and when you think about

01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:23.640
 denton's location um on the uh on the north side of the metro area along that i-35 corridor

01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:31.720
 you can you can reach you can go north and hit i-40 or i-70 and and and and highways to the north

01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:38.440
 really reaching a lot of the united states from from denton there's a goal m2

01:22:38.440 --> 01:22:43.080
 and that we want to enhance denton's economy by supporting the city's freight network

01:22:43.080 --> 01:22:48.920
 but we want to be careful about where we place these that these that freight routes and and these

01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:54.200
 types of uses should be separated from our smaller scale walkable areas of their city that more fine

01:22:54.200 --> 01:22:59.560
 grain development and this proposal is consistent with element six because it provides for that

01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:05.400
 freight for freight drivers and that employment use but it is on that fringe it is on the outskirts

01:23:05.400 --> 01:23:11.320
 um to uh with direct access to a primary primary arterial and that i-35 corridor

01:23:11.320 --> 01:23:18.280
 and so it would provide that access with that um with that limited disruption to our more dense areas

01:23:18.280 --> 01:23:25.000
 we also looked at impacts to the surrounding property and we separated that we looked at

01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:28.360
 current development and then we also looked at future development so first let me talk about

01:23:28.360 --> 01:23:33.560
 current development um as we sort of talked about this general area the existing developments along

01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:40.600
 i-35 and highway 77 um really do um support and complement our transportation and freight

01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:46.920
 activities we have we have across the street we have the that existing hershbach um location

01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:53.720
 that they are proposing to transfer to this site we've got logistics and fleet services in addition

01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:59.640
 on the south side we've got the travel plazas at the intersection of 35 and highway 77 and truck

01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:05.960
 wash in that general area we've also got commercial development along i-35 and office development um to

01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:09.960
 the north of the subject property we've got some rural residential and then we've got and to the

01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:14.680
 south we've got some future residential and so we and then we have a lot of undeveloped property

01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:21.240
 in in the area so um so before we get to the future development i just want to show you some

01:24:21.240 --> 01:24:26.920
 site photos um and i've i've moved my pictures around so my star doesn't quite match where it

01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:32.520
 should but the subject site is generally in this area you can kind of see that landmark of of of

01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:41.240
 those tree area um and here is um from the north looking south toward highway 77 and loop 288 and

01:24:41.240 --> 01:24:45.800
 and it is pretty undeveloped um i know there's a lot going on south of the subject property but

01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:52.120
 we've here you can kind of see where those travel uses are and here's kind of some pictures of their

01:24:52.120 --> 01:25:03.640
 current facility along highway 77 and then this is looking to the east from from the i-35 corridor

01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:08.520
 and once again you can kind of see those transportation uses with that that undeveloped

01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:14.360
 area surrounding the subject property so now we want to talk about because we've kind of seen

01:25:14.360 --> 01:25:21.560
 that there's a lot of undeveloped area what the what the future development will is may look like

01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:27.560
 so to the west and northwest of the site you've got geo district so that suggests that future

01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:32.760
 development will be consistent with the proposed permitted uses within that base zoning district

01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:39.960
 and that development scale so we do anticipate more compatible uses as you move toward i-35

01:25:41.080 --> 01:25:47.320
 southwest of the site we have pd 142 in this location um i know you can't see it but y'all

01:25:47.320 --> 01:25:53.080
 may be familiar this is that commercial center that stonehill center here um i'm sorry that is

01:25:53.080 --> 01:26:00.920
 down to the south but we do have we do have pd 142 which anticipates um uh more uh commercial or

01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:07.800
 maybe light industrial office uses um within that pd right here um to the north of the site we've

01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:13.000
 got our district that future with the future land use designation that's consistent with the

01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:18.840
 subject property um the the site is currently or that area to the north of the site is currently

01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:23.960
 used for agricultural purposes but current zoning generally permits single family community or

01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:28.440
 agricultural uses that's why that buffer coming in is really important because we want to make

01:26:28.440 --> 01:26:34.280
 sure that any visual impacts for those parking areas would be reduced to the south as a subject

01:26:34.280 --> 01:26:39.960
 site you've got that rcc uh i'm sorry that mr district which is sort of that regional commercial

01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:47.000
 district and then you've got some public facilities with university uses um and then i want to look um

01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:53.400
 just i discussed briefly the hills of denton there's a master plan community just to the east of the

01:26:53.400 --> 01:26:58.760
 subject property um it's not developed yet but it does have a concept plan associated with that

01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:06.680
 master plan community on the subject property is here outlined in blue and those areas adjacent

01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:14.680
 to bonnie bray here as well as loot 288 indicate or or permit office and commercial uses and those

01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:21.320
 are intended for retail restaurant those commercial uses as well as office and some light industrial

01:27:21.320 --> 01:27:27.880
 uses so the proposed geo district would be consistent with that develop type of development

01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:34.760
 um provides greater building building design amenities and connectivity so generally the

01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:39.560
 development must be consistent with the geo standards and that would be for that especially

01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:47.320
 for that future phase two more specific to the fleet service provider they are looking to provide

01:27:47.320 --> 01:27:53.960
 those additional buffers to those adjacent undeveloped properties providing additional tree

01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:59.880
 canopy in excess of what geo requires it's it's actually more consistent with what we see in maybe

01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:05.640
 our mn district and that they're proposing with the new and preserved canopy about 41 percent

01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:12.280
 and this would be an increase of existing canopy currently there's about 220 000 square feet of

01:28:12.280 --> 01:28:17.640
 canopy on the site give or take and this would be this would increase that overall canopy so it

01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:24.520
 really meets our helps further our goals for increasing the city's overall tree canopy and

01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:29.240
 they're also providing open space recreation amenities for employees and that's that dog park

01:28:29.240 --> 01:28:38.120
 as well as the walking areas um non-residential uses are they an appropriate area location and

01:28:38.120 --> 01:28:43.880
 planning um so commercial and uh and appointment uses permitted within the pd are appropriate for

01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:49.000
 the area given the surrounding commercial or development pattern as well as that zoning pattern

01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:57.320
 the provoke the proposed use provides a variety of uses to support the employees so it does

01:28:57.320 --> 01:29:02.840
 support that that business the development of the site does require that commercial design and

01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:07.880
 landscaping standards and as i mentioned before those elements of the site that are a little more

01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:14.920
 intense are set back from that right of way about 490 feet and are screened from those adjacent

01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:22.280
 properties to mitigate any visual impacts for those for those more intense uses the there the

01:29:22.280 --> 01:29:28.520
 nearest fire station is off of Windsor in this location and the use is consistent with the

01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:33.480
 surrounding area is not expected to generate a significant increase in crime or nuisance issues

01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:38.440
 water wastewater they will have to extend both water and sewer to the site

01:29:38.440 --> 01:29:47.240
 and that water will have to be looped in accordance with our our engineering requirements there is an

01:29:47.240 --> 01:29:54.920
 existing wastewater lift station in in this location that will have to be replaced to increase

01:29:54.920 --> 01:30:00.520
 capacity and accommodate the proposed development the cost to construct any in this improvement

01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:04.920
 will and any other improvements will be the responsibility of the developer

01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:14.040
 so this is because this use is not open to the public it's only estimated to generate about 297

01:30:14.040 --> 01:30:20.760
 trips per day that's about 197 for that office use and then about 100 truck trips so this doesn't

01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:28.040
 meet the thresholds for a tia sidewalks will be required along highway 77 as i mentioned there's

01:30:28.040 --> 01:30:36.360
 those two access points along highway 77 no access to bonnie bray or loop 288 however if you're

01:30:36.360 --> 01:30:43.400
 familiar with the access roads on loop 288 in this location there is a a ramp 277 near the subject

01:30:43.400 --> 01:30:50.280
 site and highway 77 as i mentioned does connect to the i-35 corridor just northeast of the subject

01:30:50.280 --> 01:30:55.800
 property i'm sorry northwest of the subject property so we have we did send out public

01:30:55.800 --> 01:31:01.720
 notification we have received and and these these numbers may not be accurate because i

01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:08.520
 believe we've received some additional responses as during the meeting but we have received about

01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:16.200
 seven notices in opposition about eight in favor because of the opposition letters that we have

01:31:16.200 --> 01:31:23.960
 received it is a 20 22 opposition which will require a super majority so six out of seven

01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:31.960
 of council members must vote to approve or would have to vote in it to approve the project for it

01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:38.440
 to be to for it to take effect so staff does recommend approval of the request as it complies

01:31:38.440 --> 01:31:44.360
 with the criteria for approval and the city council public hearing is tentatively scheduled

01:31:44.360 --> 01:31:49.480
 for february 16th and i'll be happy to answer any questions the applicant is here tonight and

01:31:49.480 --> 01:31:57.720
 we'll be able to answer questions um during the regular meeting mr beck thank you chair uh julie

01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:15.160
 can you go to slide 22 sure um okay yeah so um that has the elements of the uh the draft mobility

01:32:15.160 --> 01:32:26.200
 plan on it and as i recall um uh i believe brian john was telling us we're we're expanding 288 to

01:32:26.200 --> 01:32:35.960
 a a loop around the city and we're adding a secondary or secondary arterial approximately

01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:45.800
 on the north side of the of the subject property um is and so i guess my question it relates to how

01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:53.800
 how is the developer and or the city taking those 288 expansion and secondary arterial

01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:57.880
 expansion into account when they're developing this property

01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:05.720
 well the mobile there is a revision to the mobility plan that is currently under review right now um

01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:10.760
 yes loop 288 will eventually extend so you can kind of see where it ends right now

01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:17.560
 and it will eventually extend and go all the way to the west through the west side of the city

01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:26.120
 and then eventually tag up i believe it vintage on the south side i think that project is is still a

01:33:26.120 --> 01:33:33.320
 number of years away in addition currently right now there's not any arterials that are affecting

01:33:33.320 --> 01:33:41.960
 this subject site except for bonnie bray um on on the for that undeveloped site um so right now it

01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:48.440
 is it is not anticipated anticipated to affect the subject property of course with any new mobility

01:33:48.440 --> 01:33:57.000
 plan changes or um or development of that remaining 52 acres uh would would have to take into account

01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:03.800
 any of those mobile mobility changes i guess my question more went to if there was expansion of 288

01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:12.120
 um on the south uh eating into the frontage of the space too and if there was expansion of

01:34:12.120 --> 01:34:19.960
 the arterial to the north eating into the frontage of that arterial or easement of that arterial in

01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:27.720
 this case would is there sufficient buffer on those north and south locations that that the

01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:35.800
 project could develop even with anticipated expansion sure i'm gonna i'm gonna go let me

01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:42.120
 pull here this might be a better one so this the phase one um does not have any frontage along

01:34:42.120 --> 01:34:50.760
 loop 288 right now there aren't any plans to expand loop 288 however when this phase develops

01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:57.320
 there may be right-of-way dedication um to allow for frontage roads to be developed on loop 288 so

01:34:57.320 --> 01:35:03.720
 there may be right-of-way dedication for that phase two um not only for loop 288 but also for

01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:09.400
 bonnie bray and that will just kind of depend on that on any mobility changes and and those

01:35:09.400 --> 01:35:15.800
 requirements once those do develop um at this time there are no proposed expansions for highway 77

01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:20.440
 they will have to they will have to install a sidewalk on highway 77 in accordance with our

01:35:20.440 --> 01:35:26.280
 requirements but it is not anticipated to negatively affect that phase one

01:35:26.280 --> 01:35:35.800
 thank you sure commissioner smith thank you chair um julia they're going to be doing a presentation

01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:41.480
 the applicants will be doing a presentation during uh public correct yes sir okay this primarily and

01:35:41.480 --> 01:35:45.160
 if the if the applicants listening in are watching and just wanting to know what they're going to do

01:35:45.160 --> 01:35:51.320
 with the site that they're going to be vacating uh if it's just going to be an empty old fleet

01:35:51.320 --> 01:35:55.080
 service site and they're going to sell it does somebody else give you more fleet service and

01:35:55.080 --> 01:35:59.080
 we're going to have a bunch of fleet service in that area or what the intent would be with the

01:35:59.080 --> 01:36:01.240
 the site they're vacating so thanks

01:36:04.120 --> 01:36:06.760
 thank you commissioner smith any other questions for julie

01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:16.680
 all right fantastic um that concludes our work session agenda items for this meeting

01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:23.480
 we will reconvene at 6 34 regular meeting uh here on zoom so we will see you in 18 minutes thank you

01:36:23.480 --> 01:36:32.520
 good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the planning and zoning commission regular

01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:39.960
 meeting for wednesday january 20th 2021 i'll call this meeting to order at 6 31 seeing that we do

01:36:39.960 --> 01:36:44.840
 have a quorum please let the record show that commissioner prunetta is absent this evening

01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:52.840
 the first item of business is uh to uh provide a pledge of allegiance to the u.s and texas flag

01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:56.680
 commissioners you can feel free to unmute yourself if you'd like to join along

01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:05.160
 i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which

01:37:05.160 --> 01:37:11.160
 it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice

01:37:11.160 --> 01:37:23.320
 honor the texas flag i pledge allegiance to the texas one state under god one and indivisible

01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:28.840
 thank you the next item of business is to consider our minutes from january 6th

01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:40.440
 commissioner smith make a motion to approve and commissioner alice second we have a first and a

01:37:40.440 --> 01:37:46.840
 second for approval any discussion we'll call a vote be a roll call uh starting with commissioner

01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:55.160
 smith aye commissioner alice aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson

01:37:55.160 --> 01:38:03.640
 aye commissioner cole aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero next item uh for

01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:10.520
 consideration is the consent agenda we just have one item 3a fp 20-0029 commissioner smith make a

01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:17.320
 motion to approve i christopher anderson a second we have a first and a second for approval any

01:38:17.320 --> 01:38:22.600
 discussion scene nine i call for a vote via roll call starting the commissioner smith

01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:30.840
 commissioner alice aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner cole

01:38:31.480 --> 01:38:40.840
 aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero next item for business is item 4a pp 20-0031

01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:46.120
 i'll invite sean jacobson for presentation the floor is yours sean when ready

01:38:46.120 --> 01:38:54.600
 thank you mr chair pulling up my presentation now

01:39:01.480 --> 01:39:06.600
 so

01:39:06.600 --> 01:39:19.800
 okay good evening mr chair and members of the commission presenting preliminary plot 2031

01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:27.400
 the preliminary plot of the mayhill edition staff is recommending denial of this request at this

01:39:27.400 --> 01:39:34.440
 time as it does not meet health requirements as outlined in exhibit two the applicant is requesting

01:39:34.440 --> 01:39:41.000
 an extension to a date certain of february 17th and staff does not oppose this request

01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:51.880
 with that i will take any questions christopher beck thank you chair uh sean can you reiterate what we

01:39:51.880 --> 01:39:58.920
 talked about at work session with vis-a-vis the pedestrian and mobility access issues with this

01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:07.400
 property certainly there was a question raised about whether pedestrian access had been provided

01:40:07.400 --> 01:40:14.840
 from this property on to stockbridge the street leading to the south which has the connection to

01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:21.640
 the med park station and in fact it does there is currently a labeling issue on the flatten of course

01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:26.440
 we are recommending denial and that would be one thing that would be fixed when that labeling

01:40:26.440 --> 01:40:32.440
 issue is fixed it'll be clear that pedestrian access is provided from this site directly to

01:40:32.440 --> 01:40:38.920
 the pedestrian network leading to the med park station thank you sean and and i just like to say

01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:46.440
 in general i know we're likely to to vote for an extension uh but does seem like there's a lot of

01:40:46.440 --> 01:40:53.480
 work here um a lot of a lot of elements that staff caught that that caught my eye too and i i

01:40:53.480 --> 01:41:00.760
 encourage the developers to um that they've got some homework to do at least for this commissioner

01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:02.600
 anyway thank you

01:41:05.240 --> 01:41:14.360
 is there any other questions for this item okay chair will certainly hear a motion commissioner

01:41:14.360 --> 01:41:19.880
 smith make a motion to approve an extension to date certain of february 17 commissioner beck

01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:26.040
 i'll second that we have first and a second to approve a 30-day extension to a date certain of

01:41:26.040 --> 01:41:34.760
 february 17th 2021 any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call starting with

01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:42.440
 commissioner smith all right commissioner ellis aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson

01:41:42.440 --> 01:41:48.600
 aye commissioner cole aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero

01:41:48.600 --> 01:42:01.960
 uh that next uh agenda item is item 5a this is the start of our public hearings

01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:10.360
 item 5a is s 20-0010 this item is to be presented by sean jacobson the floor is yours

01:42:10.360 --> 01:42:22.920
 thank you pull up my presentation

01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:31.800
 all right good evening again mr chair and members of the planning and zoning commission

01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:38.920
 my name is sean jacobson assistant planner presenting s 20-0010 the 400 south elm bar use

01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:46.360
 this is a specific use permit request for a bar tavern or lounge use on approximately

01:42:46.360 --> 01:42:54.120
 0.451 acres in the mn district the previous use of this site was a major automotive repair use

01:42:54.120 --> 01:42:59.800
 and the site was vacant for approximately eight months after that business closed at which time

01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:05.080
 in november 20 the applicant opened the site after redeveloping it with an indoor recreation

01:43:05.080 --> 01:43:11.400
 use specifically axe throwing and billiards one of the other things permitted here is that

01:43:11.400 --> 01:43:19.080
 patrons can bring in alcohol to consume but it is not currently permitted to actually serve alcohol

01:43:19.080 --> 01:43:24.200
 on the site and so in order to add that bar tavern lounge use in order to be able to serve alcohol

01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:31.480
 the applicant is requesting that specific use permit you can see here the site plan north

01:43:31.480 --> 01:43:38.360
 is to the right this is an existing commercial building and no additions are proposed in terms

01:43:38.360 --> 01:43:43.640
 of building minimal site changes are proposed partly because the floodplain does not allow

01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:50.680
 significant changes or any structures within it there are 18 parking spaces and one change

01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:54.840
 of the applicant was able to make was to replace an area of broken up concrete with additional

01:43:54.840 --> 01:44:01.160
 landscaping as you know we have our general approval criteria as well as our specific

01:44:01.160 --> 01:44:07.800
 sup approval criteria to continue to consider as we're as you're deciding whether to approve this

01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:12.920
 specific use permit one of the most important things we consider is our comprehensive plan and

01:44:12.920 --> 01:44:19.480
 the future land use map this site is designated with two future land use designations downtown

01:44:19.480 --> 01:44:27.160
 denton and downtown compatibility area the downtown denton designation that's to provide for a mix of

01:44:27.160 --> 01:44:31.640
 context sensitive uses so that can include entertainment commercial residential office

01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:38.680
 but designed in a way that fits the area and downtown compatibility area provides that kind

01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:45.880
 of a meeting point between downtown residential and commercial areas and again the goal there is

01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:49.560
 where there's commercial that it's in a scale and form that's sensitive to the surrounding built

01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:56.120
 context in this case the bar and tavern and lounge use would be combining with the existing indoor

01:44:56.120 --> 01:45:02.120
 recreation use to provide a new entertainment commercial use in an existing commercial building

01:45:02.120 --> 01:45:07.320
 so something that's been there but bringing in that new use this use would be consistent with

01:45:07.320 --> 01:45:11.560
 the goal of providing commercial on a scale that fits the area because we're not changing the

01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:17.400
 existing building it's been there for a long time it also meets our denton plan 2030 goals of corridor

01:45:17.400 --> 01:45:23.960
 development so it's along that south elm corridor as well as strengthening commercial areas by

01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:29.640
 bringing in new businesses to baking buildings keeping those going lastly this use would also

01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:35.800
 help further denton plan 2030's sound growth vision of downtown denton that is energized

01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:40.760
 by a new entertainment which supports day and nighttime activity in a true urban lifestyle

01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:46.280
 we'll still need to look at compatibility with the surrounding area as you can see this is truly

01:45:46.280 --> 01:45:52.760
 a mixed use area as both commercial and residential in the south elm street corridor in particular has

01:45:52.760 --> 01:45:58.840
 a pattern of development that includes both bars and restaurants that serve alcohol this proposed

01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:04.280
 bar tavern lounge use as i said would support that new indoor recreation use and occupying

01:46:04.280 --> 01:46:09.480
 otherwise vacant building additionally and i'll talk a little bit more about this in a minute

01:46:09.480 --> 01:46:15.240
 but the site redevelopment for these new uses that's included removing vehicles from the rear

01:46:15.240 --> 01:46:20.040
 of the yard that were there as part of the major automotive repair use and that actually helps

01:46:20.040 --> 01:46:25.320
 improve the compatibility of this site with the area surrounding property is similarly zoned and

01:46:25.320 --> 01:46:31.400
 it's mostly developed so this specific use if it's permitted not be expected to limit future

01:46:31.400 --> 01:46:36.600
 redevelopment in the area as you can see here it's where those vehicles used to be under the old use

01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:41.880
 used to be under the old use and they are no longer adjacent to that home just need to look

01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:49.880
 at mitigating potential negative impacts just in general this being able to control the sale and

01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:55.720
 service of alcohol with this use enables the staff of the business to carefully monitor consumption

01:46:55.720 --> 01:47:01.800
 and it also applies texas alcohol beverage commission supervision to the business we're also

01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:07.480
 recommending and the applicant has agreed to a condition of approval that alcohol sale and

01:47:07.480 --> 01:47:13.160
 service would be limited to beer and wine would not include hard liquor distilled spirits in terms

01:47:13.160 --> 01:47:18.760
 of mitigating potential visual impacts and the redevelopment of the site actually helped that as

01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:23.800
 you can see besides the removal of the vehicles behind the building those bay doors that used to

01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:28.840
 be there have been removed been replaced with full barn doors so you don't have open bay doors you

01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:33.560
 don't have vehicle repair on site adjacent to neighboring residential and facing out onto the

01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:40.040
 street as well as a replacement that broken cement with a new landscape area in terms of mitigating

01:47:40.040 --> 01:47:45.800
 noise and traffic impacts as you can see there vehicles can only exit on the south elm street

01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:51.080
 which as we know is one way which means they're funneled away to the south from the existing

01:47:51.080 --> 01:47:55.640
 residential to the east and north parking as well as limited to the front lots you won't have people

01:47:55.640 --> 01:48:01.720
 pulling out directly adjacent to folks houses and staff is also recommending and the applicant has

01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:05.480
 agreed to a condition of approval that the sale and consumption of alcohol would be limited to the

01:48:05.480 --> 01:48:11.160
 interior of the building so a lot of the potential for that noise impact would be mitigated in that

01:48:11.160 --> 01:48:16.120
 way and in terms of refuse area the dumpster would be maintained in the front yard rather than being

01:48:16.120 --> 01:48:22.680
 moved to the rear where it would have been adjacent to residential it was public facilities spoke

01:48:22.680 --> 01:48:27.400
 specifically with emergency services because there is another ax throwing venue in denton

01:48:27.400 --> 01:48:33.320
 on hickory street and it's they confirmed that in the time it's been open since december 2019

01:48:33.320 --> 01:48:37.880
 they've had zero calls for service to that location they expressed no specific concerns

01:48:37.880 --> 01:48:44.200
 about adding proposed bar use to this property in terms of transportation impacts it's expected to

01:48:44.200 --> 01:48:53.480
 average about 53 trips a day on weekdays on saturdays about 123 sundays about 36 at south

01:48:53.480 --> 01:48:58.200
 elm street as a primary arterial this didn't require this wasn't the level of traffic impact

01:48:58.200 --> 01:49:04.280
 that required a traffic impact analysis solid waste service could be provided due to dumpster

01:49:04.280 --> 01:49:09.960
 already on site water and wastewater in place and of course we need to consider the surrounding

01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:15.880
 neighborhoods so we sent out all the standard notices and signs we received four letters in

01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:22.680
 favor as you can see there there was a neighborhood zoom meeting which was attended by two neighbors

01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:31.000
 the concerns they expressed were in as as they said addressed by the limitations to indoor only

01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:37.480
 service and not allowing liquor so limiting that to beer and wine and when asked directly they

01:49:37.480 --> 01:49:45.160
 expressed no opposition to the bar use as proposed i do also want to note that as you can see there's

01:49:45.160 --> 01:49:50.360
 a residential use immediately to the west of this property there's no response shown there

01:49:50.360 --> 01:49:56.600
 that's in part because the same landowner owns the subject property and that adjacent residential

01:49:56.600 --> 01:50:02.040
 property and signed off on this application as well may not have submitted specific approval but

01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:09.480
 they're actually party to this request so with that staff is recommending approval with the

01:50:09.480 --> 01:50:13.960
 following conditions since this use meets our criteria for approval and is consistent with

01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:18.600
 fit and plan 2030 those conditions are that the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages shall

01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:22.520
 be limited to the interior of the building and then alcohol sale and service will be limited

01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:27.400
 to beer and wine will not include hard liquor that'll stand for any questions and i know the

01:50:27.400 --> 01:50:33.400
 applicant is also on the line and he has a presentation prepared as well great thank you

01:50:33.400 --> 01:50:37.000
 shawn any questions for staff before we turn it over for applicant presentation

01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:43.800
 okay if the applicant is on we'd love to see the presentation

01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:52.280
 and as they're kind of loading up once the applicants are ready we

01:50:52.280 --> 01:50:55.560
 would ask for your name and address for the record

01:50:57.960 --> 01:51:01.560
 so

01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:17.080
 mike are you there

01:51:17.080 --> 01:51:21.560
 well

01:51:28.040 --> 01:51:29.560
 so

01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:36.520
 said that the applicant may not be on the call

01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:43.480
 my apologies mr chair i'm not seeing the applicant on here

01:51:43.480 --> 01:51:49.720
 that is totally fine uh in the interim i don't think i opened the public hearing so i probably

01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:55.560
 should do that now um so let the public hearing open i might be closing it soon um

01:51:57.080 --> 01:52:00.920
 shawn do you know if they're wanting to make a presentation and they just weren't here should

01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:06.200
 we try to get in touch with them are they okay proceeding i want to be respectful to i think

01:52:06.200 --> 01:52:19.080
 yeah i think he he may have misunderstood uh the call in time but uh i think he'll be fine if

01:52:19.080 --> 01:52:22.120
 we proceed as well okay um

01:52:25.240 --> 01:52:28.840
 all right so we don't have anyone calling on this so i'll go ahead and close the public hearing

01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:33.240
 um and then we can have a motion put on the table and then the discussion around it

01:52:33.240 --> 01:52:38.280
 commissioner smith make a motion to approve the staff recommendations great we have a first

01:52:38.280 --> 01:52:44.040
 commissioner anderson i second the motion we have a first and a second for approval is there any

01:52:44.040 --> 01:52:50.760
 discussion around this item seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call starting with

01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:59.800
 commissioner ellis aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner cole aye

01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:09.640
 commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero that brings us to our

01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:18.200
 next item for discussion is item 5b z20-0013 this item will be presented by julie wyatt

01:53:18.200 --> 01:53:23.560
 and i will open the public hearing julie whenever you're ready uh the floor is yours

01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:37.560
 good evening just a moment i'll get that presentation pulled up

01:53:48.200 --> 01:53:55.560
 so

01:53:55.560 --> 01:54:10.840
 almost there all right here we go sorry about the delay

01:54:14.280 --> 01:54:19.960
 okay this request before you is z20-0013 loves travel stop

01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:26.600
 um the request is a rezoning from general office and mixed use regional districts to highway

01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:32.120
 corridor district for the subject property outlined there in yellow the site is developed

01:54:32.120 --> 01:54:36.440
 as loves travel stop and the purpose is to facilitate the continued use and restoration

01:54:36.440 --> 01:54:42.440
 of that existing travel plaza after a text up right away uh acquisition that is forthcoming

01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:50.040
 some background on the site uh in 2015 they pursued a rezoning request from rcc into ecc

01:54:50.040 --> 01:54:56.360
 to facilitate the existing use um at that time we didn't have a clearly defined use for a travel

01:54:56.360 --> 01:55:01.400
 plaza we sort of just looked at all of the activities on site um and and applied those

01:55:01.400 --> 01:55:08.120
 to that um zoning and that and that development to capture those activities um so uh so they

01:55:08.120 --> 01:55:16.680
 constructed the site in uh 2017 and 2018 in 2019 we adopted the uh the 2019 ddc and with that we

01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:23.000
 actually captured all of those activities so we created that travel plaza use um that was more

01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:29.480
 clearly defined and we also transitioned the zoning on the subject property um to that geo

01:55:29.480 --> 01:55:36.520
 and mr districts as part of that new use and transition that use was made non-conforming

01:55:37.480 --> 01:55:43.720
 um that brings us to the present uh text dot is acquiring a strip of property along the frontage

01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:48.760
 of the site um and that will require some removal of landscaping parking and a portion of the fuel

01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:55.960
 canopy in order to restore the site um the the property owner has purchased 4.7 acres um uh

01:55:55.960 --> 01:56:01.640
 budding the western property line and they're pursuing the rezoning for the entire site

01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:08.920
 so the current zoning map you i show here is um a light blue is that's the geo and then we've

01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:17.240
 got mr surrounding and they are proposing to rezone this uh this corner to hc the criteria

01:56:17.240 --> 01:56:21.080
 for approval for rezoning cases is in sub chapter 2 of the denton development code

01:56:21.080 --> 01:56:27.320
 and we'll talk about these as we talk more about the project the site has a future land use

01:56:27.320 --> 01:56:32.680
 designation per denton plan 2030 of business innovation this is intended for kind of employment

01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:39.080
 uses large tracts of land that have office parks and employment parks but it also allows for

01:56:39.080 --> 01:56:45.560
 supporting uses such as retail hotels and residential i'm given the location of the site adjacent to

01:56:45.560 --> 01:56:52.120
 to the i-35 corridor hc is consistent with that future land use map because it does provide that

01:56:52.120 --> 01:56:59.720
 supporting um commercial component to that business innovation um and and then furthermore just

01:56:59.720 --> 01:57:05.400
 generally for the permitted uses of hd hc district it allows for the development of both employment

01:57:05.400 --> 01:57:11.400
 and supporting commercial uses at that highway scale so it is consistent with that future land

01:57:11.400 --> 01:57:17.640
 use designation um another criterion is significant changes to warrant the change

01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:24.440
 implementation of the 2019 ddc as i mentioned did cause the site to become non-conforming

01:57:24.440 --> 01:57:29.000
 and the proposed rezoning would just correct that issue allow the property owner to make

01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:33.320
 changes to the property which result from the right-of-way acquisition and you can see just

01:57:33.320 --> 01:57:37.880
 generally that area where i um text dot will acquire their outlined in blue

01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:46.440
 minimizes adverse impacts on surrounding property this is a highway corridor and hc was sort of

01:57:46.440 --> 01:57:52.840
 developed for this type of area and this type of use and it is appropriate in this area so the

01:57:52.840 --> 01:57:57.640
 the surrounding development includes a truck wash to the north there's a travel plaza just

01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:03.480
 due east of the subject site there's also future office to the north and there's other transportation

01:58:03.480 --> 01:58:11.080
 related uses along highway 77 so the proposed use or the existing use is consistent with that

01:58:11.080 --> 01:58:15.880
 surrounding development pattern as the area develops staff does anticipate the properties

01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:21.400
 along i-35 will develop consistently with what's out there now in terms of that commercial and

01:58:21.400 --> 01:58:30.360
 employment uses to you to use that access that that easy access onto i-35 as well as the visibility

01:58:30.360 --> 01:58:36.520
 and hc does require commercial design standards because this is a visible corridor we want to

01:58:36.520 --> 01:58:43.960
 make sure it's designed in a commercial way and so hc does does require that public facilities

01:58:43.960 --> 01:58:49.640
 and services available to serve the property this is an existing use and they don't intend to

01:58:50.280 --> 01:58:55.160
 to increase the intensity of the use so no additional trips would be generated by the

01:58:55.160 --> 01:59:02.920
 proposal however there is adequate access to i-35 and just to let you know some transportation

01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:09.080
 improvements in the area barthold road is anticipated to be rebuilt in the next two to

01:59:09.080 --> 01:59:14.600
 three years and that's a part of this widening project that tex dot has for i-35 you can kind

01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:22.200
 of see that area in purple and how that affects that subject site the and then here's that barthold

01:59:22.200 --> 01:59:27.400
 road it will be straightened out and additional capacity will be added and the water and wastewater

01:59:27.400 --> 01:59:36.520
 will remain a notification was sent out we received one letter in response and that was

01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:41.880
 in favor of the request and that's shown here right here in green and that is that truck wash

01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:46.840
 just to the north of the site so based upon on the criteria for approval staff recommends approval

01:59:46.840 --> 01:59:51.640
 of the request um this is anticipated to go to council on february 16th and i'll be happy to

01:59:51.640 --> 01:59:55.960
 answer any questions the applicant was supposed to be calling in tonight i don't know if we've

01:59:55.960 --> 02:00:02.280
 had any technical technical difficulties but i believe he is on the phone to answer any questions

02:00:02.280 --> 02:00:09.400
 great thank you very much is there any questions for julie or for the applicant regarding this

02:00:09.400 --> 02:00:17.480
 project okay great uh julie thank you for the presentation

02:00:17.480 --> 02:00:25.960
 we do not have anyone um wishing to speak um any citizens i i certainly want to provide the

02:00:25.960 --> 02:00:30.280
 applicant a chance to speak they would like we have no questions for you right now but

02:00:30.280 --> 02:00:34.200
 the applicant's on and would like to say something please feel free to do so

02:00:39.400 --> 02:00:53.480
 all right well wait maybe they're on mute

02:00:53.480 --> 02:00:58.440
 i'll give them a couple more minutes

02:00:58.440 --> 02:01:07.560
 hello can you hear me i can if you could just state your name and address we'd love to hear

02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:13.640
 from you hey this is jeremy reese wishapol engineering group uh address is 4420 jackson street

02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:19.240
 mariana florida uh three two four four eight and uh we're the engineers of the project i basically

02:01:19.240 --> 02:01:24.280
 just wanted to call in to answer any questions you guys had um it seems like there's really no

02:01:24.280 --> 02:01:29.480
 questions or anything um so i mean it i don't really have anything to add to what julie had

02:01:29.480 --> 02:01:35.560
 presented so i think we're all we're good to go with everything you guys are well mr reese mr

02:01:35.560 --> 02:01:40.280
 reese i appreciate you at least being available i don't see that we have any questions right now

02:01:40.280 --> 02:01:45.560
 um so again appreciate you uh making yourself available but no questions as of right now

02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:49.800
 okay uh with that i'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing

02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:53.880
 and turn it for a motion and then discussion commissioner beck

02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:59.960
 i make a motion to approve as described by staff we have a first for approval

02:02:01.480 --> 02:02:07.480
 commissioner smith i'll second we have a first and a second for approval any discussion on this item

02:02:07.480 --> 02:02:14.120
 seeing none i'll call for a vote uh via roll call starting with commissioner ellis

02:02:14.120 --> 02:02:20.840
 aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner cole

02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:28.840
 commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero congratulations

02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:40.040
 the next item for our agenda is 5c pd 20-0002a this is also presented by julie wyatt and i'll

02:02:40.040 --> 02:02:45.160
 invite her for presentation and i will open the public hearing all right let me pull out my

02:02:45.160 --> 02:02:58.040
 presentation all right this item is pd 20002 hershbach so the request before you is a zoning

02:02:58.040 --> 02:03:03.240
 change from general office and rural residential to plan development on 90 acres the subject side

02:03:03.240 --> 02:03:11.480
 is outlined here in yellow it is on the north side of town adjacent to highway 77 and loop 288

02:03:11.480 --> 02:03:19.160
 bonnie bray makes up its eastern property line the purpose of the pd is to define the

02:03:19.160 --> 02:03:25.320
 use for for the subject site and that is fleet service provider as well as use specific standards

02:03:26.120 --> 02:03:33.560
 the the the and the additionally the pd would provide a development plan for 38 acres so a

02:03:33.560 --> 02:03:39.560
 development for that fleet service provider use with 52 acres remaining for future development

02:03:39.560 --> 02:03:46.680
 so a phase two development so the current map shows the subject property here outlined in black

02:03:46.680 --> 02:03:53.640
 it does have go along the frontage of highway 77 and loop 288 with rural residential

02:03:54.520 --> 02:04:01.240
 on the north side of the tract they are proposing a plan development pd with a geobase zoning

02:04:01.240 --> 02:04:09.000
 designation so first we want to talk or look at the overall plan for the pd it is proposed to be

02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:14.520
 developed in two phases the phase one would be that fleet service provider the definition

02:04:14.520 --> 02:04:19.480
 associated with the proposed use is a business which supports the movement of goods by by means

02:04:19.480 --> 02:04:25.560
 of truck transport and is not open to the general public primary activities include driver training

02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:32.120
 support services company administration and and customer support and sales accessory uses include

02:04:32.120 --> 02:04:38.200
 fleet storage maintenance facilities major or minor vehicle repair fueling station and truck

02:04:38.200 --> 02:04:45.160
 wash bays this definition excludes the warehousing storage and transfer of goods it also includes use

02:04:45.160 --> 02:04:50.680
 specific standards particularly related to buffer requirements which we'll talk about as we talk

02:04:50.680 --> 02:04:56.440
 about the site plan phase two any development of phase two will require a major plan development

02:04:56.440 --> 02:05:02.360
 amendment it would have to conform to the minimum requirements in geo but prior to the development

02:05:02.360 --> 02:05:08.600
 of that 52 acres it would require approval from city council through the dual public hearing

02:05:08.600 --> 02:05:14.040
 process so it would come back before you again just to look at some mobility in the area as i

02:05:14.040 --> 02:05:20.440
 mentioned the high the height is adjacent to highway 77 it does have frontage along 77 for

02:05:20.440 --> 02:05:28.120
 phase one the entire site so phase two includes also frontage along loop 288 and bonnie bray bonnie

02:05:28.120 --> 02:05:37.320
 bray is an arterial however it is not designed to those standards at this time loop 288 is

02:05:37.320 --> 02:05:44.600
 considered a highway and highway 77 is an arterial it is about 2,900 feet from the intersection of

02:05:44.600 --> 02:05:52.760
 highway 77 and i-35 the the backup material and the next couple of slides just discuss those pd

02:05:52.760 --> 02:05:59.720
 standards and they really just conform to those geo uses use in terms of permitted uses and

02:05:59.720 --> 02:06:08.840
 development standards phase one generally generally exceeds those geo standards including

02:06:08.840 --> 02:06:16.040
 the minimum open space that buffer requirement and that is related to that particular use

02:06:16.040 --> 02:06:22.600
 it is proposed to have a 30-foot buffer along the west property line and then 20-foot buffers along

02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:30.280
 the north and east property lines and that is in excess of what the code would require it's also

02:06:30.280 --> 02:06:37.720
 proposing additional tree canopy approximately 535,000 square feet of mature of new mature tree

02:06:37.720 --> 02:06:45.080
 canopy which is proposed and that's in addition to the to the 154,000 square feet of of preserved

02:06:45.080 --> 02:06:51.720
 tree canopy and then they're also proposing open space requirement or open space recreation

02:06:51.720 --> 02:06:57.640
 amenities such as a walking trail in a dog park the the difference in permitted uses from geo

02:06:57.640 --> 02:07:04.280
 and the plan development is the addition of that fleet service provider in the use specific standards

02:07:04.280 --> 02:07:12.600
 so we'll take a little bit we'll take a look at their site plan they are proposing an administration

02:07:12.600 --> 02:07:19.240
 building in this general area that will include facilities for offices conference and training

02:07:19.240 --> 02:07:24.360
 rooms exercise space laundry facilities day rooms and changing rooms and those are for those

02:07:24.360 --> 02:07:31.640
 those those transportation employees of the Hirschbach company as I stated it wouldn't

02:07:31.640 --> 02:07:38.760
 be open to the public a 19,000 square foot truck inspection and truck wash in this location that's

02:07:38.760 --> 02:07:45.160
 about 490 feet from that right of way so the site is laid out to sort of push those more intense

02:07:45.160 --> 02:07:53.240
 uses toward the rear of the site away from that highway 77 corridor there are two access points

02:07:53.240 --> 02:08:00.200
 along highway 77 that is where the site gets its access they're proposing a truck repair shop in

02:08:00.200 --> 02:08:07.240
 this location and then a truck tractor trailer storage in the rear of the site as well as long

02:08:07.240 --> 02:08:17.560
 term car storage and visitor parking for that office use they're also proposing a a walking

02:08:17.560 --> 02:08:27.080
 trail along the drainage area and and a dog park we also want to just touch briefly on that

02:08:27.080 --> 02:08:32.840
 landscape plan here's where you can see those locations of the buffers so you can see outlined

02:08:32.840 --> 02:08:38.600
 in green the 30-foot buffer is proposed for this location and then the 20-foot buffers to the north

02:08:38.600 --> 02:08:44.840
 and the east of the subject site those buffers have to be planted according to the use specific

02:08:44.840 --> 02:08:51.560
 standards with three ornamental trees every 25 linear feet so that's a total of 474 additional

02:08:51.560 --> 02:08:59.400
 ornamental trees plus one large tree every 30 linear feet minimum forage caliber and that is a

02:08:59.400 --> 02:09:05.800
 total of 132 additional large canopy trees also wanted to point out they are proposing a fence

02:09:05.800 --> 02:09:13.480
 along that property boundary a six-foot fence to to additionally aid in screening they're proposing

02:09:13.480 --> 02:09:19.960
 a bioswale in this location and in this location that is a per our code a vegetated channel

02:09:19.960 --> 02:09:25.400
 designed to transport store and allow infiltration of water as a landscape feature and those are

02:09:25.400 --> 02:09:34.760
 important and near near impervious areas to to accommodate for that runoff and and as i mentioned

02:09:34.760 --> 02:09:41.800
 they are proposing additional mature tree canopy with plantings and large preserved areas you can

02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:48.600
 see that preserved area here sort of separating that administration use from those those more

02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:55.800
 intense uses toward the rear of the site the criteria for approval are in sub chapter two and

02:09:55.800 --> 02:10:00.840
 and we have general criteria approval and per staff's analysis it does meet the criteria for

02:10:00.840 --> 02:10:06.680
 the general criteria for approval but we will hit on that as we talk about the project and there is

02:10:06.680 --> 02:10:12.520
 specific criteria for approval for plan developments so first we want to talk about the plan about den

02:10:12.520 --> 02:10:17.480
 plan 2030 the future land use designation is business innovation as i mentioned in the last

02:10:17.480 --> 02:10:23.560
 presentation is intended for large tracts of land that are for a larger scale office and

02:10:23.560 --> 02:10:31.400
 employment parks what with those supporting uses typically we see geo and li to support

02:10:31.400 --> 02:10:37.160
 business innovation those those uses in those districts are kind of our employment uses with

02:10:37.160 --> 02:10:45.000
 some commercial uses permitted as well they're proposing a base zoning of geo and and we feel

02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:51.400
 like that is consistent with that future land use given the given the permitted uses additionally

02:10:51.400 --> 02:10:58.200
 geo does require commercial and office development standards since this is on one of arterial road

02:10:58.200 --> 02:11:03.800
 ways we want to make sure it's developed in in a way that's appropriate given that location and so

02:11:03.800 --> 02:11:10.120
 those those higher standard development standards are are are important in this area

02:11:11.480 --> 02:11:15.800
 additionally want to talk about element six with the dentin plan and that's our mobility element

02:11:15.800 --> 02:11:23.000
 within that within element six it does discuss freight and it discuss freight freight as a key

02:11:23.000 --> 02:11:28.840
 economic component in the region region and one statistic it provides is that 98 percent of the

02:11:28.840 --> 02:11:35.560
 mainland opposite population can be reached from that i-35 corridor since dentin is sort of at the

02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:43.080
 top of the metro area with i-35 running through it it does sort of lend itself to that that freight

02:11:43.080 --> 02:11:51.080
 use in terms of that economic component m2 one of those goals within element six um does state

02:11:51.080 --> 02:11:57.240
 that we should enhance dentin's economic dentin's economy by supporting the city's freight network

02:11:57.240 --> 02:12:02.680
 but we do need to be careful about where it goes freight routes should be separated from our smaller

02:12:02.680 --> 02:12:08.200
 scale and walkable areas of the city that you know given the the size of the trucks we want to make

02:12:08.200 --> 02:12:14.760
 sure that the that that it's not in our our high pedestrian areas the proposal is consistent with

02:12:14.760 --> 02:12:21.080
 with this element because it does provide that support for those freight services but it is

02:12:21.080 --> 02:12:27.880
 along that outer edge of the city with direct access to those arterial network so it provides

02:12:27.880 --> 02:12:35.320
 that um that that access but but limited disruption to those denser areas of the city

02:12:35.320 --> 02:12:42.440
 we also looked at impacts to the surrounding property and we looked at it from two aspects

02:12:42.440 --> 02:12:47.880
 first the current development what's out there now and then later we'll discuss what what future

02:12:47.880 --> 02:12:54.920
 development may bring so currently when we look at the surrounding properties we see that this

02:12:54.920 --> 02:13:01.800
 this corridor this i-35 and highway 77 corridor does have a lot of transportation related

02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:10.920
 uses we've got travel plazas along the i-35 and highway 77 intersection there's south is a subject

02:13:10.920 --> 02:13:18.120
 property the the proposed um a developer of this site actually has an existing facility

02:13:18.120 --> 02:13:22.520
 i'm in that location that they would be moving to this side if it were approved and there is truck

02:13:22.520 --> 02:13:29.800
 repair logistics and fleet services across highway 77 from this site there's also a truck wash along

02:13:29.800 --> 02:13:37.240
 35 35 has additionally office so employment uses as well as commercial uses to the north and south

02:13:37.240 --> 02:13:42.360
 of the site there's future residential development to the south of the subject property there's rural

02:13:42.360 --> 02:13:46.520
 residential and there's a lot of undeveloped property which we'll talk about there's also a

02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:53.160
 university area just to the southeast of the subject property on the proposal would not

02:13:53.160 --> 02:13:57.960
 introduce new activities so as you can see based upon the definition of fleet services and what is

02:13:57.960 --> 02:14:04.520
 around there the proposal would not that those uses would complement what's already existing in

02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:10.520
 the area and and furthermore development of phase two would have to follow those geo standards and

02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:15.560
 would require approval from city council after coming before the planning and zoning commission

02:14:15.560 --> 02:14:22.040
 so there's additional scrutiny on on that development um just some sites photos of the property

02:14:22.040 --> 02:14:28.760
 this is um so this vantage point is north looking toward the south here's highway 77 and loop to um

02:14:28.760 --> 02:14:35.880
 288 you can see those existing transportation uses um just across that the street and and the

02:14:35.880 --> 02:14:40.680
 undeveloped property surrounding the subject site um just to give you an idea of what their existing

02:14:40.680 --> 02:14:47.480
 facility looks like here are two two images from google earth for their subject property along

02:14:47.480 --> 02:14:56.440
 highway 77 now and then here's another vantage looking from i-35 toward the east and you can see

02:14:56.440 --> 02:15:05.560
 the existing development as well as the surrounding property so because there is so much undeveloped

02:15:05.560 --> 02:15:11.400
 property we want to make sure that we look at how this this proposal would affect future

02:15:11.400 --> 02:15:17.400
 development so first of all we look to the west and northwest um the proposal does have consistent

02:15:17.400 --> 02:15:22.520
 zoning with the west and northwest so we anticipate that that property will develop in a manner

02:15:22.520 --> 02:15:29.720
 with uh consistent with the subject site including proposed permitted uses in development scale

02:15:31.000 --> 02:15:37.000
 southwest of the subject property we've got pd 142 here that is intended to be developed with

02:15:37.000 --> 02:15:42.040
 commercial office light industrial and multifamily uses so that would be consistent with the proposed

02:15:42.040 --> 02:15:48.600
 plan development in terms of that geo-based zoning district um north of the subject property um that

02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:54.360
 does have that rr district that's one of our holding um designations when a property is annexed

02:15:54.360 --> 02:16:00.760
 into the city it gets that rr designation until it gets a permanent zoning um that side is being used

02:16:00.760 --> 02:16:06.920
 for agricultural purposes under the current zoning um it does permit single-family community or

02:16:06.920 --> 02:16:12.680
 agricultural uses it does have a future land use designation consistent with the subject site

02:16:12.680 --> 02:16:20.120
 so the comprehensive plan um anticipates or or contemplates a development consistent with that

02:16:20.120 --> 02:16:26.520
 that business innovation future land use designation but it does have it does have that

02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:33.000
 agricultural use now so we want to make sure that we we treat that that property boundary

02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:38.760
 in a way that would be sensitive to that surrounding use so it does include this that's

02:16:38.760 --> 02:16:45.240
 where that landscape buffer comes in with that fencing as well as the landscaping around the

02:16:45.240 --> 02:16:49.960
 subject property just to reduce those reduce those potential visual impacts of that parking

02:16:49.960 --> 02:16:55.640
 in the rear of the site and one part one place we haven't talked about is east of the subject

02:16:55.640 --> 02:17:00.920
 property that is actually part of a master plan community within the city it is the hills of denton

02:17:00.920 --> 02:17:09.080
 it's a mixed uh mixed use development it does um have uh commercial and office uses along bonnie

02:17:09.080 --> 02:17:17.080
 bray and um and loop 288 in this location this is that red and pink area um and it it um the permitted

02:17:17.080 --> 02:17:23.720
 uses in that area um allow for a variety of commercial and office in sunlight industrial uses

02:17:25.960 --> 02:17:30.280
 provides greater building design amenities and connectivity so generally the development

02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:36.280
 must be consistent with those geo standards specifically however that fleet service provider

02:17:36.280 --> 02:17:40.040
 provides those additional buffers that is in excess of what the code would require

02:17:40.040 --> 02:17:50.040
 additional uh mature canopy so about 41 percent of that lot when those trees are have have matured

02:17:50.040 --> 02:17:55.800
 would be covered in entry canopy and that's an increase of that existing canopy currently

02:17:55.800 --> 02:18:01.000
 there's about 220 000 square feet of canopy so it would be an increase um and it does provide

02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:05.480
 those open space recreation amenities for employees that walking trail in the dog park

02:18:05.480 --> 02:18:13.320
 appropriate area location and planning for the site so um the commercial uses and appointment

02:18:13.320 --> 02:18:19.000
 uses permitted within the proposed pd are appropriate for the area and that is not only

02:18:19.000 --> 02:18:25.400
 given that geo base zoning district but also the um the uh the proposed fleet service provider

02:18:25.400 --> 02:18:29.480
 use given the agglomeration of those transportation issues in the surrounding area

02:18:29.480 --> 02:18:37.000
 and that uh that proposed use would provide uh provide for a variety of um activities to

02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:42.040
 support the employees of that company the development of the site would would require

02:18:42.040 --> 02:18:47.960
 that commercial design and landscaping standards so we will make sure that those um that uh that uh

02:18:49.160 --> 02:18:55.560
 any development along that corridor is designed well and um and then as i mentioned those elements

02:18:55.560 --> 02:19:00.920
 of the site that are a little more intense those um the the repair in the the truck wash those are

02:19:00.920 --> 02:19:08.040
 set back off of highway 77 to minimize their their visual impacts about 450 feet additionally

02:19:08.040 --> 02:19:13.160
 you've got that buffer to screen from those adjacent properties um there is a fire station

02:19:13.160 --> 02:19:19.000
 within the eight minute or less response time it is at windsor and bonnie bray um and the use is

02:19:19.000 --> 02:19:23.880
 consistent with the surrounding area so we don't anticipate it would generate a significant increase

02:19:23.880 --> 02:19:31.000
 in crime or nuisance issues um they will have to extend water and sewer to the site um and um as

02:19:31.000 --> 02:19:37.320
 for sewer there is an existing lift station um and this general area that will have to be upgraded

02:19:37.880 --> 02:19:45.080
 for that capacity um the cost to construct that upgrade will be the responsibility of the developer

02:19:45.080 --> 02:19:51.800
 and then the street and and transportation network surrounding them so

02:19:51.800 --> 02:19:59.640
 the estimated trip generation is about 297 trips per day per our engineering highway 77

02:19:59.640 --> 02:20:06.120
 can accommodate those trips that excuse me that includes about 197 trips for the office and then

02:20:06.120 --> 02:20:13.560
 100 truck trips this doesn't meet the thresholds for the tia however um sidewalks will be required

02:20:13.560 --> 02:20:21.400
 along highway 77 the site the phase one does have frontage along highway 77 so that improvement will

02:20:21.400 --> 02:20:26.360
 be required um we we talked about in the work session i just want to highlight again any

02:20:26.360 --> 02:20:31.880
 development of phase two will have to go through an engineering review and any right-of-way dedication

02:20:31.880 --> 02:20:37.800
 or perimeter and street improvements will be reviewed and required at that time um there is

02:20:37.800 --> 02:20:45.560
 no access to bonnie bray or loop 288 from this site um but the loop 288 entrance and exit ramps

02:20:45.560 --> 02:20:52.040
 do provide access to 77 and then highway 77 does provide that connectivity to i-35

02:20:53.240 --> 02:21:02.440
 um we have sent out notification um a uh and we have received um several responses in opposition

02:21:02.440 --> 02:21:07.800
 they're still coming via email but um as of my last accounting it was seven

02:21:07.800 --> 02:21:15.000
 and that does account for 22 percent of the surrounding property area so it will require

02:21:15.000 --> 02:21:22.120
 a super majority at city council to approve the request um we've also received um eight responses

02:21:22.120 --> 02:21:30.120
 in favor of the request um the applicant um did uh did send out notifications for a neighborhood

02:21:30.120 --> 02:21:35.560
 meeting um she will be able she will be making a presentation tonight and we'll be able to

02:21:35.560 --> 02:21:39.560
 answer any additional questions regarding that neighborhood meeting i believe she did not get

02:21:39.560 --> 02:21:45.000
 any rsvps to that but she did speak to some surrounding property owners and she can discuss

02:21:45.000 --> 02:21:50.920
 that further um so staff recommends approval of the request it does comply with the criteria for

02:21:50.920 --> 02:21:58.040
 approval um if uh um and the next step is the tentative city council public hearing

02:21:58.040 --> 02:22:03.560
 on february 16th and um that concludes my presentation and i will be happy to answer

02:22:03.560 --> 02:22:07.720
 any questions uh thank you julie uh here's your call i think you've been waiting patiently thank

02:22:07.720 --> 02:22:15.000
 you uh thank you chair uh julie for my own edification uh the diagonal lines in the red

02:22:15.000 --> 02:22:21.240
 that's how the city limits correct to the north um let me make sure that i

02:22:21.240 --> 02:22:34.680
 uh in terms of yes you are correct yes etj all that around there is etj as well okay

02:22:34.680 --> 02:22:43.320
 all right thank you sure christopher anderson thank you chair thank you julie uh i do have a

02:22:43.320 --> 02:22:52.680
 quick question i don't i if i missed it earlier i apologize but this is a truck wash office space

02:22:52.680 --> 02:22:59.560
 all this stuff but it says the request by first baptist church i didn't know the church was in

02:22:59.560 --> 02:23:05.800
 trucking um that is the property owner okay so they're so they're they're flipping this property

02:23:05.800 --> 02:23:10.360
 to this company the company that's already across the street the applicant could probably answer

02:23:10.360 --> 02:23:15.480
 that further but currently the property is under ownership of that first baptist church yes sir

02:23:15.480 --> 02:23:19.560
 okay i was i didn't know if we discussed that earlier or not i just saw that i'm like why is

02:23:19.560 --> 02:23:25.080
 a church in transportation and i know that church is not across the street because thank you

02:23:25.080 --> 02:23:34.040
 um see no other questions for julie i'd like to invite the applicant uh for presentation

02:23:38.600 --> 02:23:43.560
 good evening commissioners this is amy bissett can you hear me we can amy i know you know the

02:23:43.560 --> 02:23:48.680
 drill but if you state your name and address uh for the record uh you'll have 10 minutes or if

02:23:48.680 --> 02:23:55.960
 there's a group we can extend that to uh extend that further absolutely this is amy bissett 97

02:23:55.960 --> 02:24:04.360
 land company 100 west oak street denton 76201 we are going to do a combined applicant presentation

02:24:04.360 --> 02:24:11.800
 and julie should be queuing up our slides for us right now um i would julie when you do get the

02:24:11.800 --> 02:24:16.280
 slides up if you'll go ahead and go to slide two i'd like to start by introducing our team

02:24:16.280 --> 02:24:26.600
 um mark smith is with henry s miller he is the developer for the pd as a whole and he's on the

02:24:26.600 --> 02:24:35.800
 call tonight brian cal was is i'm sorry colwis is with hershbach and he represents the end user who

02:24:35.800 --> 02:24:43.960
 intends to develop um sub district one as julie showed in her presentation and then we also have

02:24:43.960 --> 02:24:49.720
 brad baker with gh and architects on the line and drew donofsky with claymore engineering

02:24:50.520 --> 02:24:57.000
 to answer any technical questions related to engineering or architectural design

02:24:57.000 --> 02:25:04.360
 and julie will you go ahead and go to slide three please we are going to do a combined

02:25:04.360 --> 02:25:10.040
 presentation and i'm going to introduce brian with hershbach a little bit later in the presentation

02:25:10.040 --> 02:25:14.840
 but i want to start by kind of giving you an overview of what i intend to hit on i do want

02:25:14.840 --> 02:25:20.600
 to look at this project as it relates to the overall um goals that were established by the

02:25:20.600 --> 02:25:26.760
 community in the denton plan 2030 i want to look at its consistency with the future land use plan

02:25:26.760 --> 02:25:33.560
 and map look at um specifically we'll walk you through the pd elements and pd standards that

02:25:33.560 --> 02:25:38.760
 we're proposing for this site and look at the current development pattern the economic development

02:25:38.760 --> 02:25:45.160
 impact the mobility plan and the mobility elements within the denton plan as it relates to this

02:25:45.160 --> 02:25:53.080
 project and hershbach as a corporate citizen and community partner in denton and the reason that

02:25:53.080 --> 02:25:59.800
 we're going to go into this level of detail is we did we have had significant neighborhood engagement

02:25:59.800 --> 02:26:06.920
 over the course of several months and as julie mentioned we did mail out invitations to host a

02:26:06.920 --> 02:26:11.960
 neighborhood meeting and we did not receive any rsvps however to provide a little more context

02:26:11.960 --> 02:26:20.360
 the 22 opposition is a what i'll call a majority property owner that borders us on a couple of

02:26:20.360 --> 02:26:28.040
 sides that represents the owner and investor for hills of denton or a large part of hills of denton

02:26:28.680 --> 02:26:37.720
 and so we proactively reached out to um that majority property owner and had three meetings

02:26:37.720 --> 02:26:45.960
 with them between november and january and we also did mail out invitations for a neighborhood

02:26:45.960 --> 02:26:53.320
 meeting as well um nobody rspp but i did receive a response from the property owner directly across

02:26:53.320 --> 02:26:59.880
 highway 77 from this project and spoke with them at length um just before the holidays

02:26:59.880 --> 02:27:11.160
 and um so we did um we did intent we did engage the the property owners um as much as we possibly

02:27:11.160 --> 02:27:16.920
 could and there were some questions raised during those conversations specifically with

02:27:16.920 --> 02:27:21.320
 the representative for hills of denton about whether or not this project is consistent with

02:27:21.320 --> 02:27:27.400
 the city's vision for the future from a land use standpoint as well as an economic development

02:27:27.400 --> 02:27:34.680
 standpoint and so i do want to go into some level of detail about those particular aspects julie if

02:27:34.680 --> 02:27:41.640
 you'll go to slide four please and as as julie mentioned i'll be quick here the this area is

02:27:41.640 --> 02:27:49.560
 designated in the comprehensive plan future land use map as business innovation and as she stated

02:27:49.560 --> 02:27:54.840
 is intended for large tracts of land for well planned large scale office and employment parks

02:27:54.840 --> 02:28:02.920
 we have a 90 acre pd here um with the primary uses that would be allowed in business innovation

02:28:02.920 --> 02:28:09.480
 being office research and development live manufacturing with um generous linked open

02:28:09.480 --> 02:28:17.400
 space i believe will demonstrate shortly that we are we are providing both employee amenities as

02:28:17.400 --> 02:28:28.360
 well as neighborhoods buffering that accommodate a significant amount of open space and and we are

02:28:28.360 --> 02:28:33.640
 developing in a campus like and corporate park setting that is intended to have a vision that

02:28:33.640 --> 02:28:41.080
 is carried out consistently across multiple phases of development julie if you'll go to slide five

02:28:41.080 --> 02:28:48.440
 please um i have highlighted here on the screen the the corridor that is currently zoned general

02:28:48.440 --> 02:28:55.880
 office and you can see that it extends from the north side of route 288 up highway 77 and then

02:28:55.880 --> 02:29:04.200
 continues up i-35 and general office is um one of the two zoning categories as julie mentioned that

02:29:04.840 --> 02:29:12.520
 would be most compatible with business innovation and light industrial being other we did look at

02:29:12.520 --> 02:29:19.480
 both um zoning categories as a base zoning district for this pd and i'll go into a little

02:29:19.480 --> 02:29:27.000
 more detail but it in a moment about why we went with general office and some of the things that

02:29:27.000 --> 02:29:32.920
 were considered in in while contemplating and having conversations with the city about that

02:29:34.840 --> 02:29:42.520
 if you'll go to slide six julie um so overarching this pd while we're calling it the hershbach pd

02:29:42.520 --> 02:29:51.880
 because the intent of creating it is to facilitate hershbach expansion and development of a of a

02:29:51.880 --> 02:29:59.400
 campus um on this site and it is broader than just hershbach they'll be taking sub district one and

02:29:59.400 --> 02:30:05.320
 then there will be future development for sub district too but as generally speaking the base

02:30:05.320 --> 02:30:13.880
 zoning is um general office geo which is consistent across this corridor and the intent is to establish

02:30:13.880 --> 02:30:20.760
 a new land use which i'll go into more detail about momentarily and to provide campus amenities

02:30:20.760 --> 02:30:27.400
 that go above and beyond what would be required in geo based zoning including um dog park walking

02:30:27.400 --> 02:30:35.880
 trails bio swills and um a densely planted landscape buffer to and a screening fence to create

02:30:35.880 --> 02:30:44.120
 um a visual buffer for any of the neighboring property owners will you go to slide seven please

02:30:44.120 --> 02:30:51.880
 julie um julie looked at this detailed plan with you so i'm not going to to belabor it um the

02:30:51.880 --> 02:30:57.000
 western side of the property would be the hershbach campus and the eastern side would be sub district

02:30:57.000 --> 02:31:03.640
 two i'm going to speak to each of those individually julie if you'll go to slide eight and the pd

02:31:03.640 --> 02:31:10.680
 development standards as a whole so and they're written to apply to both both sub districts is

02:31:10.680 --> 02:31:15.400
 that they would comply with the dimensional standards for the geo districts they would comply

02:31:15.400 --> 02:31:22.200
 with landscape and tree canopy for the geo district the parking ratio that would be applied would be

02:31:23.240 --> 02:31:30.920
 as provided in the dvc unless it's amended by a future detailed plan if somebody that wants to

02:31:30.920 --> 02:31:36.120
 develop in sub district two wants to propose a different parking ratio it would be considered

02:31:36.120 --> 02:31:42.440
 as a part of that pd amendment which would be brought back before you with dual public hearings

02:31:42.440 --> 02:31:50.040
 and then the permitted uses would be the same as geo as well plus establishing this new use which

02:31:50.040 --> 02:31:56.600
 would be a fleet service provider as julie's already defined for you i won't go back through

02:31:56.600 --> 02:32:06.200
 that but i do want to delineate why we've created a new use we looked very hard at can we sit into

02:32:06.200 --> 02:32:14.040
 an existing land use per the dvc and the closest was travel plaza which you just considered a travel

02:32:14.040 --> 02:32:21.160
 plaza in the previous public hearing but the the difference is so stark that we really felt like

02:32:21.160 --> 02:32:27.640
 travel plaza one is not appropriate for this this area it's more appropriate along i-35 than it is

02:32:27.640 --> 02:32:35.000
 pulled off of 35 and closer to loop 288 but it is intended for the public and for motorists and this

02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:43.400
 is going to be a closed campus that is intended for employees and to support their logistics and

02:32:43.400 --> 02:32:51.000
 supply chain activities that this company provides to the dentin community and to the the country as

02:32:51.000 --> 02:32:58.040
 a whole so um we we created the new use because of that and i actually there was a question during

02:32:58.040 --> 02:33:07.000
 the work session about um did we write the use to to meet our needs and um the answer is no we did

02:33:07.000 --> 02:33:14.920
 not i did a lot of research on um what exists in other development codes and the closest thing

02:33:14.920 --> 02:33:19.960
 that i found that was consistent across development codes was a trucking terminal but in the case of

02:33:19.960 --> 02:33:27.960
 the trucking terminal um the the the primary function is the loading or unloading of goods

02:33:27.960 --> 02:33:34.120
 and the storage of goods which is not the case here and what what this this use really boils down

02:33:34.120 --> 02:33:42.360
 to is that they provide logistics and supply chain support to other businesses they're not um

02:33:42.360 --> 02:33:51.400
 they're not warehousing goods or loading unloading goods or creating manufacturing anything on this

02:33:51.400 --> 02:34:00.600
 campus and so not only did we write the new um the new land use but we also um defined what

02:34:00.600 --> 02:34:06.760
 accessory uses would be allowed as a part of that and the use specific standards that we proposed

02:34:06.760 --> 02:34:12.360
 for those accessory uses are consistent with it what already exists in geo zoning specifically

02:34:12.360 --> 02:34:18.120
 and outside storage is allowed as an accessory use in geo zoning but it is required to be

02:34:18.120 --> 02:34:26.120
 in the side or rear yard only and be opaquely screened and have some other provisions associated

02:34:26.120 --> 02:34:32.280
 with mitigating nuisances to the neighbors so we looked at um really trying to mirror what was

02:34:32.280 --> 02:34:40.280
 already in the ddc and provide that in this particular proposal just to confirm you guys can

02:34:40.280 --> 02:34:49.480
 still hear me we sure can okay i just didn't want to talk and and and didn't realize that i'd been

02:34:49.480 --> 02:34:55.240
 disconnected so thank you and julie and amy just as a check-in point you're a little at 10 minutes

02:34:55.240 --> 02:35:02.840
 and you have 20 minutes so i just wanted to um check in with you on timing thank you and so the

02:35:02.840 --> 02:35:09.720
 pd um development standards for the entire campus slide nine julie and we really we contemplated

02:35:09.720 --> 02:35:16.040
 going with um a light industrial zoning but we really wanted to be consistent with the geo zoning

02:35:16.040 --> 02:35:21.640
 that is that is throughout that corridor and we wanted to comply with the commercial design

02:35:21.640 --> 02:35:28.280
 standards associated with geo that we would not be required to comply with in in light industrial

02:35:28.280 --> 02:35:34.760
 so those design standards address site design and orientation um or multiple building developments

02:35:34.760 --> 02:35:40.120
 building mass informed building transparency and windows and building materials we're proposing

02:35:40.120 --> 02:35:45.240
 some slight amendments to building materials otherwise we're proposing to conform to those

02:35:45.240 --> 02:35:53.560
 standards entirely and julie if you'll go to slide 10 um i've highlighted here specifically what the

02:35:53.560 --> 02:36:00.680
 what we're proposing vary from with those standards um one of which being that um we

02:36:00.680 --> 02:36:06.200
 that architecturally finished metal would be an allowable material um

02:36:09.080 --> 02:36:15.240
 if it's if it's visible from the public right of way even if it's visible from the public right of

02:36:15.240 --> 02:36:21.960
 way that um masonry will comprise 50 percent of the exterior finishes visible from the public

02:36:21.960 --> 02:36:27.640
 right of way which is consistent with the commercial design standards but that um industrial

02:36:27.640 --> 02:36:35.640
 uses as identified in the ddc can use architecturally finished metal for up to 50 percent of the building

02:36:35.640 --> 02:36:42.120
 facade so i do want to point out i don't want to skip over we do propose some variations to

02:36:42.120 --> 02:36:48.520
 those standards um that are minor overall when you look at the the overall standards that we're

02:36:48.520 --> 02:36:55.480
 complying with um julie if you'll go to slide 11 please the hershblock trucking terminal specifically

02:36:55.480 --> 02:37:03.080
 um just to show you guys some architectural elevations um this would be an administrative

02:37:03.080 --> 02:37:07.160
 and support building which would be the primary use it's going to look like a corporate office

02:37:07.160 --> 02:37:15.240
 um a campus environment there will be accessory uses that would be um set back behind the main use

02:37:15.240 --> 02:37:22.520
 that um would be screened with um the entire site would be screened with a landscape buffer

02:37:22.520 --> 02:37:28.920
 and then there would be a fence along um behind the main building which i'll depict for you

02:37:28.920 --> 02:37:36.520
 um in slide 12 julie if you'll go to slide 12 please um so you can see in slide 12 the

02:37:36.520 --> 02:37:42.760
 the fence is highlighted in black across the front um so it's behind the main administrative

02:37:42.760 --> 02:37:49.480
 and office building so the accessory uses would be largely screened from view the landscape buffer

02:37:49.480 --> 02:37:58.040
 would um is highlighted in green here that would go um around all um neighboring property would

02:37:58.040 --> 02:38:04.440
 surround the property and provide a screening for all neighboring properties and then um interior

02:38:04.440 --> 02:38:10.920
 to the site would be a dog park and some walking trails i do want to point out that while we would

02:38:10.920 --> 02:38:19.080
 we're proposing overall with a pd to conform to um the geo design or the geo landscape and tree

02:38:19.080 --> 02:38:26.760
 standards on this particular detailed plan which you would be um solidifying with the approval of

02:38:26.760 --> 02:38:34.360
 this pd zoning has over 70 tree preservation on site and over 45 landscape percentage

02:38:34.360 --> 02:38:41.560
 slide 13 please and i'm getting close to handing this off to brian um i do want to point out that

02:38:41.560 --> 02:38:47.640
 from an economic development standpoint hershbach is critical to um this community

02:38:47.640 --> 02:38:54.040
 there they have key supply chain activities in this area where they bring goods from the midwest to

02:38:55.160 --> 02:39:06.040
 five of our major taxpayers and economic development um um just businesses in denton

02:39:06.040 --> 02:39:13.640
 including target us cold storage wenco aldi and southwire which is united copper they're not on

02:39:13.640 --> 02:39:21.640
 this map but they're on the other side of town and slide 14 please julie and to go further into

02:39:21.640 --> 02:39:29.560
 this i do believe that this supports the economic development strategic goals of providing supply

02:39:29.560 --> 02:39:36.520
 chain and logistics and companies in denton to be able to support our major business as these five

02:39:36.520 --> 02:39:43.720
 businesses in denton provide over 400 million dollars in tax base and two and a half million

02:39:43.720 --> 02:39:48.760
 square feet of real estate and they're a key industry sector and the backbone of denton's

02:39:48.760 --> 02:39:54.600
 economy so from an economic development standpoint i do believe that the project is consistent with

02:39:54.600 --> 02:40:02.680
 the goals the strategic goals of the city and slide 15 please you guys talked about this

02:40:02.680 --> 02:40:08.760
 extensively in work session i was listening at that during that discussion and this has been

02:40:08.760 --> 02:40:16.360
 identified as a gateway area in the comprehensive plan and the uses on this corridor it's a less than

02:40:16.360 --> 02:40:23.880
 a mile long corridor that connects to freeways and they are all currently somehow truck and travel

02:40:23.880 --> 02:40:32.040
 related uses and which are supported in the comp plan with the caveat that they be located

02:40:32.040 --> 02:40:41.560
 appropriately and away from your main and walkable pedestrian oriented areas in town

02:40:42.920 --> 02:40:50.280
 slide 16 please lastly before i turn it over to brian i just want to say that hershbach is an

02:40:50.280 --> 02:40:57.000
 existing business in denton they have been located here for several years and they are looking at a

02:40:57.000 --> 02:41:04.120
 40 million dollar capital investment in the denton economy by by moving into this campus

02:41:04.120 --> 02:41:10.680
 they provide high wage jobs on site they offer year-round training to their drivers including

02:41:12.200 --> 02:41:18.600
 providing 2500 to 3000 hotel nights annually with local spending when they have their driver

02:41:18.600 --> 02:41:25.080
 orientations which are every week and that they have a green fleet technology and are part of the

02:41:25.080 --> 02:41:32.360
 epa smart way program which i will let brian talk more about if he would like to

02:41:32.360 --> 02:41:38.600
 and with that julie if you'll go to slide 17 i'm going to turn it over to brian with hershbach

02:41:41.400 --> 02:41:49.720
 well good evening can everyone hear me yes very good my name is brian colwis i'm general council

02:41:49.720 --> 02:41:57.640
 and chief risk officer at hershbach hershbach is a truckload carrier based out of debuque iowa

02:41:57.640 --> 02:42:00.840
 i want to spend a little bit of time talking about our company culture

02:42:00.840 --> 02:42:07.800
 we're not your typical trucking company and just to give you an example i wish all of you would

02:42:07.800 --> 02:42:14.840
 have the opportunity to see our home office here in debuque iowa it's like walking into google

02:42:14.840 --> 02:42:22.440
 our owner of our company our ceo does not have an office i'm the company attorney i don't have an

02:42:22.440 --> 02:42:27.800
 office our chief people officer that oversees human resources does not have an office we're

02:42:27.800 --> 02:42:35.240
 very transparent very open very open privately owned company for example we share our profitability

02:42:35.240 --> 02:42:41.160
 numbers with our with our employees everyone is very very well compensated very very good bonus

02:42:41.160 --> 02:42:45.480
 objective bonus structures for individuals all the jobs we'll be creating down there will be

02:42:45.480 --> 02:42:51.400
 high paying jobs our company culture is called all in to win and that means everyone that comes

02:42:51.400 --> 02:42:55.800
 into contact with hershbach needs to be a winner and that includes the city of denton and the

02:42:55.800 --> 02:43:01.000
 citizens of denton it includes our drivers it includes our vendors it includes the the motoring

02:43:01.000 --> 02:43:07.080
 public it includes our customers you can tell by the design of our building we're not your typical

02:43:07.080 --> 02:43:12.280
 trucking company another example of how we're not your typical trucking company you can see that we

02:43:12.280 --> 02:43:16.200
 have a dog park and you're probably asking why would a trucking company want a dog park

02:43:16.200 --> 02:43:23.960
 in order to hire and retain the very best drivers out there in the world or in the country you need

02:43:23.960 --> 02:43:27.960
 to do some creative things and one of those things is we allow our drivers to take pets with them on

02:43:27.960 --> 02:43:33.320
 the road our drivers are out for four and five weeks at a time and it'd be nice to have a companion

02:43:33.320 --> 02:43:36.440
 in the truck with you when you go well that presents its own challenges what do you do with

02:43:36.440 --> 02:43:41.880
 the dog when the truck goes into the shop so one of the things we'll be doing is putting a dog park

02:43:41.880 --> 02:43:50.840
 in for our drivers and their dogs we started in 1935 kind of the american dream ray hershbach one

02:43:50.840 --> 02:43:57.640
 person one truck and mr hershbach hauled loads of meat out of the midwest and down to the port of

02:43:57.640 --> 02:44:02.520
 houston and hauled bananas back to the midwest to this day we still haul meat out of the midwest

02:44:02.520 --> 02:44:08.520
 and haul bananas back we stayed true to our roots now we're the 62nd largest truckload carrier we're

02:44:08.520 --> 02:44:15.560
 the fifth largest refrigerated carrier in the u.s if you've eaten pork chicken or beef out of the

02:44:15.560 --> 02:44:20.920
 midwest anywhere in texas there's a very very good likelihood it came in on one of our trucks

02:44:21.720 --> 02:44:27.800
 we are a truckload carrier like amy said we don't have a cross doc operation there won't be any

02:44:27.800 --> 02:44:33.000
 loading or unloading of trucks at this facility basically it's a place for us to stage equipment

02:44:33.000 --> 02:44:38.840
 hire and train new drivers and basically have a place for us to do drop and hook operations and

02:44:38.840 --> 02:44:44.440
 then run a shop out that's going to be the primary purpose of this uh of this location

02:44:44.440 --> 02:44:49.960
 to tell you a little bit about us we've uh we're very progressive our oldest tractor right now in

02:44:49.960 --> 02:44:55.640
 our fleet is a 2018 and those are slated to go away here in the next few months in a few months

02:44:55.640 --> 02:45:00.040
 our oldest tractable will be a 2019 we've got 1100 new pieces of equipment ordered this year

02:45:00.040 --> 02:45:06.840
 trackers we've got over 2000 new trailers ordered and these are all late model equipment they're the

02:45:06.840 --> 02:45:12.360
 safest most environmentally friendly and most reliable pieces of equipment on the road

02:45:13.960 --> 02:45:20.120
 i heard earlier that we're a critical to the to the to the city of denton and and to the to the

02:45:20.120 --> 02:45:24.040
 to the country i'm going to go one step farther we're essential throughout covid we've been

02:45:24.040 --> 02:45:28.200
 we've been still trucking we're still going to work every day we're masking up

02:45:28.200 --> 02:45:34.600
 when we're at work in order to keep feeding keep feeding the country and having a location in denton

02:45:34.600 --> 02:45:40.840
 will will definitely help us and make us more efficient we could turn to the next slide julie

02:45:42.680 --> 02:45:46.920
 why expand in denton right now we have four acres down there we want to grow

02:45:46.920 --> 02:45:53.080
 in denton because it's a great location for us we're great bringing 15 to 20 drivers new drivers

02:45:53.080 --> 02:45:58.760
 per week into the denton facility but we've got a driver training program we're starting in debuque

02:45:58.760 --> 02:46:04.280
 where we bring people in from scratch that have never driven a truck before and we teach them how

02:46:04.280 --> 02:46:09.240
 to do it the Hirschbach way the right way using our all into zero safety techniques all into zero

02:46:09.240 --> 02:46:13.640
 means zero accidents that's the only only acceptable goal when it comes to safety

02:46:13.640 --> 02:46:21.240
 it's kind of our hub of texas from denton you can get anywhere we run a lot of texas if you ran a

02:46:21.240 --> 02:46:27.800
 line of all of our freight lanes there would be a direct line from the midwest down down to denton

02:46:27.800 --> 02:46:33.400
 texas on i-35 if you had to sum us up in one word we're a meat holler out of the midwest that's

02:46:33.400 --> 02:46:39.800
 really what we do well and we're we're part of the essential function of hauling food to those in the

02:46:39.800 --> 02:46:45.800
 country we have bought in the past peter bilts and some of them have been created down in denton

02:46:45.800 --> 02:46:51.240
 right now we don't own any peter bilts but in the future we might and having a location in denton

02:46:51.240 --> 02:46:57.560
 might make that a heck of a lot easier we do deliver to many local places of denton all the

02:46:57.560 --> 02:47:05.400
 target winco us storage local parts purchasing is one thing that the city of denton can can get out

02:47:05.400 --> 02:47:09.720
 of this you know when we have a location of that size all of our parts will be ordered and shipped

02:47:09.720 --> 02:47:15.720
 to that denton facility you're probably asking how does denton win because everyone that comes

02:47:15.720 --> 02:47:21.400
 into contact with Hirschbach as a winner jobs high paying jobs tax revenue we're a very progressive

02:47:21.400 --> 02:47:27.080
 employer our growth when i started here six years ago we had around 600 power units we're now over

02:47:27.080 --> 02:47:34.440
 1800 uh we we have modest growth plan for this year uh but we're we're we're clearly a growing

02:47:34.440 --> 02:47:41.640
 company and a very progressive company um i thank all of you for your time and i'll turn it back over

02:47:41.640 --> 02:47:55.400
 thank you brian that's actually the conclusion of our presentation and we're happy to

02:47:56.680 --> 02:48:03.000
 answer any questions thank you amy and brian commissioner smith thank you chair um

02:48:03.000 --> 02:48:07.800
 brian this is a lot of these questions might be more for you but amy feel free to chime in as well

02:48:07.800 --> 02:48:15.800
 but um what is the uh what is the intent with the old location across uh 77 once you guys relocate

02:48:15.800 --> 02:48:22.360
 uh if we did approve this zoning yeah mr smith thank you for that question um the answer to that

02:48:22.360 --> 02:48:27.800
 is i don't know uh right now we are at the very beginning phases of this we're probably a couple

02:48:27.800 --> 02:48:34.120
 years away before we can move in i can tell you this that uh we would likely sell it if you had

02:48:34.120 --> 02:48:37.640
 to ask me right now and said if the building was built right now i could tell you we would sell it

02:48:37.640 --> 02:48:42.840
 but we're going to be good citizens i mean we want to sell it to um someone that's going to

02:48:42.840 --> 02:48:48.760
 conform with the current uh planning and zoning designation of that area um but that would be our

02:48:48.760 --> 02:48:54.440
 intent is to sell it to someone else that could utilize that building we have pumped um i don't

02:48:54.440 --> 02:48:58.200
 quote me on it but we've pumped several hundred thousand dollars into that building since we bought

02:48:58.200 --> 02:49:05.160
 it between concrete putting up a uh an area for the dogs and redoing much of the inside of the

02:49:05.160 --> 02:49:09.320
 building as well yeah that was giving my next question is how much how much adaptation did

02:49:09.320 --> 02:49:13.000
 you make that building if you bought it yourself if you bought it you guys didn't build that one

02:49:13.000 --> 02:49:19.400
 originally um how much how much adaptation did you make it to what you guys are doing now and

02:49:19.400 --> 02:49:23.960
 would it be an easy sell later on down the road to somebody who was maybe to

02:49:23.960 --> 02:49:29.240
 convert into some other type of light industrial yeah i think it would i think would sell in a

02:49:29.240 --> 02:49:36.440
 heartbeat um i i mean it's a nice facility we've kept it up we we've invested in it um it'd be a

02:49:36.440 --> 02:49:42.440
 great location for someone there's just a lot of activity in that area so sure um how do you how

02:49:42.440 --> 02:49:49.000
 many do you guys currently employ uh they're at the the current location for hirschbock at that

02:49:49.000 --> 02:49:55.000
 location there's approximately 25 mechanics um and these are high paid very high high paid uh

02:49:55.000 --> 02:50:00.760
 mechanics and then we have an orientation staff there for our new and incoming drivers

02:50:00.760 --> 02:50:05.640
 and then we have a handful of recruiters down there to recruit uh new drivers overall there's

02:50:05.640 --> 02:50:11.320
 around 10 of them so i would guess around 35 but keep in mind we do employ many many people

02:50:11.320 --> 02:50:16.600
 that live in the state of texas sure you take iowa and illinois out of the mix i would bet texas is

02:50:16.600 --> 02:50:21.960
 our third highest uh number of people that we employ for our company because of our drive because

02:50:21.960 --> 02:50:29.240
 we're we're over 48 states so yeah and of course your your drivers are great employees and i'm sure

02:50:29.240 --> 02:50:33.640
 some of them come from a lot of them come from across texas but if we're looking at it from a

02:50:33.640 --> 02:50:38.360
 city of denton standpoint and we're wanting to find something that's beneficial to uh denton

02:50:38.360 --> 02:50:44.360
 citizens and you know obviously the denton economy figuring out you say high high paid employees you

02:50:44.360 --> 02:50:51.320
 have 35 now the new location how many permanent employees that would be or foreseeably could be

02:50:51.320 --> 02:50:55.720
 citizens of the city of denton do you see maybe being there in that new location would still be

02:50:55.720 --> 02:51:01.320
 about 35 just the new updated um facilities or would you see growth in the uh in the permanent

02:51:01.320 --> 02:51:07.640
 employees once you actually be working full-time out of that location oh for sure there will be

02:51:07.640 --> 02:51:11.720
 growth down there because we're going to grow the number of bays we have when you look at the size

02:51:11.720 --> 02:51:16.840
 of a shop um you know you're limited to how many bays you have that's basically your limitation on

02:51:16.840 --> 02:51:22.040
 how many employees you can have working in there so we've got 25 mechanics in there now we're now

02:51:22.040 --> 02:51:26.840
 going to grow this thing to well over double the amount of bays you i'm sure you could pretty

02:51:26.840 --> 02:51:32.200
 easily handle 100 mechanics through there um if you're running 24 hours a day seven days a week

02:51:33.880 --> 02:51:39.800
 okay so maybe taking it you know at a kind of on a high end it could maybe grow from about 35

02:51:39.800 --> 02:51:47.240
 employees to almost you know 100 120 sounds like yeah don't hold me to that i we haven't done it

02:51:47.240 --> 02:51:52.840
 i'll forecast but but i think that's i think that's fair given the scope and size of this project

02:51:52.840 --> 02:51:55.240
 okay thank you so questions i have

02:51:59.000 --> 02:52:04.440
 mr anderson thank you chair uh this is just a quick question it's not going to make or break any

02:52:04.440 --> 02:52:09.960
 kind of deal like that but the fence along the that's going to hide the back section of the

02:52:09.960 --> 02:52:14.440
 property amy uh what kind of material is that going to be is that just going to be like a six

02:52:14.440 --> 02:52:21.320
 foot wooden picket fence or is that going to be masonry cinder blocks

02:52:26.360 --> 02:52:35.400
 at this point in time it's intended to be um a vinyl fence so it will be um more durable than

02:52:35.400 --> 02:52:43.240
 wood but it will be um it will be decorative and not be um something you can see through

02:52:43.240 --> 02:52:47.960
 if that answers your question it does it does it's that's better material than

02:52:47.960 --> 02:52:52.040
 replacing picking broken fence pieces all the time so no that's great thank you

02:52:53.400 --> 02:53:00.520
 mr alice thank you chair i'm curious as to how many bays are planned for the site

02:53:00.520 --> 02:53:08.120
 as well with regard to storage and the accessory use what is how much storage is there for tractors

02:53:08.120 --> 02:53:13.240
 and i believe cars as well

02:53:23.480 --> 02:53:27.240
 commissioner ellis i am pulling that information up for you give me just a moment

02:53:27.240 --> 02:53:33.320
 commissioner else would you prefer that we also pull the plan up

02:53:33.320 --> 02:53:39.240
 as she's talking through it it's really looking for numbers so either or is fine

02:53:39.240 --> 02:53:49.960
 i i want to say and i'm not putting my hands on it quickly enough and i don't want to hold you up

02:53:49.960 --> 02:53:57.080
 but um i do have the architect and the engineer on the phone as well but i believe that it's um 17

02:53:57.080 --> 02:54:11.480
 bays and um maybe 120 ish um spaces for long-term storage and um brad if you're if you're on the line

02:54:11.480 --> 02:54:16.600
 if you hit star six you can unmute and maybe able to answer that more specifically as well

02:54:19.640 --> 02:54:26.360
 yes amy can you hear me we can okay uh yes this is jenny to state my

02:54:26.360 --> 02:54:35.080
 information this is uh brad and brad baker texas registered architect uh at ghn in springfield

02:54:35.080 --> 02:54:44.200
 missouri 300 south jefferson 65806 um yes hang on a second yeah amy was right it looks like

02:54:44.200 --> 02:54:50.760
 uh we've designed a building that could be expanded in the long term um the original

02:54:50.760 --> 02:55:01.000
 shop building we've actually made room for a total of it could be up to 24 tractors but it's

02:55:01.000 --> 02:55:07.320
 the way we counted it would be more like 17 like she said and then parking the same way we had a

02:55:07.320 --> 02:55:11.160
 i think she had the numbers right but it doesn't have to all be developed in one shot so

02:55:11.160 --> 02:55:18.440
 uh it could be faced forward so the 120 trailer spots should be about right

02:55:18.440 --> 02:55:29.720
 okay and on that note um fuel was mentioned too in in the plan it where would that be located

02:55:29.720 --> 02:55:36.600
 commissioner ellis this is amy i actually wrote that definition and when i wrote it it was um

02:55:37.800 --> 02:55:45.800
 i was trying to be broad enough in case it didn't get incorporated into other um into the ddc in

02:55:45.800 --> 02:55:52.840
 the future but to my knowledge there are no fuel um stations proposed on this site that's why i

02:55:52.840 --> 02:56:01.800
 couldn't find it anywhere okay i appreciate it thank you any other questions for uh julie or

02:56:01.800 --> 02:56:04.920
 the applicant i know we have some people that have been patient waiting on the phone commissioner

02:56:04.920 --> 02:56:10.520
 smith thank you chair just one last question what was uh an aim this might be a question for amy i

02:56:10.520 --> 02:56:15.560
 don't think i caught this at all in julie's presentation i know it's a two-phase development

02:56:15.560 --> 02:56:22.360
 but what is the intent with phase two amy is it a um something to be developed later that's similar

02:56:22.360 --> 02:56:28.200
 to what's going to be a phase one or an expansion of phase one or something completely different i

02:56:28.200 --> 02:56:35.000
 think i missed that in the first presentation so the commissioner smith at this point there's no um

02:56:35.000 --> 02:56:45.640
 impending development for phase two the intent is to um establish the pd standards and um then begin

02:56:45.640 --> 02:56:54.040
 to market it for potential end users um i've got mark smith with henry s miller he's um he'll be

02:56:54.040 --> 02:57:01.080
 responsible for the remainder of that land and developing sub district too so mark if you're

02:57:01.080 --> 02:57:07.160
 available if you want to hit um star six and unmute yourself you can address commissioner smith directly

02:57:07.160 --> 02:57:16.520
 as well uh this is mark smith can you hear me we can okay i'm mark smith henry s miller equity

02:57:16.520 --> 02:57:25.320
 partners 5151 beltline uh dallas texas uh our intent for the 53 acres there is to have

02:57:25.320 --> 02:57:35.880
 resource development um industrial uses um light industrial uh it could either be divided into

02:57:35.880 --> 02:57:42.280
 several lots uh it could be divided into two lots or it could sell to one user

02:57:43.320 --> 02:57:50.520
 uh we we agree to the standards that are being placed in here and we will uh make sure that

02:57:50.520 --> 02:57:57.080
 whoever uh we talk to or negotiate with will be aware of these standards and we'll hold to them

02:57:57.080 --> 02:57:59.000
 okay thank you very much

02:57:59.000 --> 02:58:10.280
 okay i do not see any other questions right now so um staff if you could do me a favor and just

02:58:10.280 --> 02:58:15.560
 maybe mute the the applicant's lines make sure they're all muted so when we go to callers there's

02:58:15.560 --> 02:58:21.640
 not connectivity issues i appreciate that um for this item we had 16 people make comments using

02:58:21.640 --> 02:58:26.760
 the online form there were 13 in support of this item and three against all of these comment forms

02:58:26.760 --> 02:58:32.200
 were emailed to all the commissioners and our city secretary to be recorded there are four individuals

02:58:32.200 --> 02:58:38.360
 that have been waiting patiently to speak to us and so at this time i'll ask staff to connect the

02:58:38.360 --> 02:58:48.520
 first caller and we'll wait for connection

02:59:08.360 --> 02:59:18.520
 okay

02:59:18.520 --> 02:59:28.520
 hello this is uh vent carter live at 2043 chin road which is a road just off again east ganja road

02:59:28.520 --> 02:59:35.800
 uh understanding uh growth has got to happen but my concern is is will there be will we see

02:59:35.800 --> 02:59:41.320
 semi-traffic on east ganja road with trucks exiting off 35 and coming up east ganja road

02:59:41.320 --> 02:59:46.280
 and going north on bonnie bray kind of a back way into the man i know they have to go up to 77

02:59:46.280 --> 02:59:52.600
 because i've been listening but uh what's to prevent truck drivers for semis coming down these roads

02:59:52.600 --> 02:59:59.160
 that are not designed for semi-trucks that's my only concern yeah mr carter i appreciate you

02:59:59.160 --> 03:00:05.880
 calling in and expressing that concern this property has no uh connection to bonnie bray or to

03:00:05.880 --> 03:00:12.440
 ganzer the only way they could they could enter the property is off 77 so um i don't have a map

03:00:12.440 --> 03:00:17.080
 right in front of me but i would think naturally the only form of traffic would be from loot 288

03:00:17.080 --> 03:00:24.760
 or 35 um would be the quickest most efficient route to the location uh not bonnie bray bonnie

03:00:24.760 --> 03:00:30.520
 bray they can't get to the property for bonnie bray oh i'm aware they'd have i'm aware i'm aware

03:00:30.520 --> 03:00:37.000
 they'd have to go up to 77 and turn but i know truck drivers if there's an easier or quicker way

03:00:37.000 --> 03:00:43.080
 to get there they may try they may try to come this way and that's my concern so i mean i know

03:00:43.080 --> 03:00:47.640
 where the road the entrance is going to be on 77 but it would make more sense to go down but

03:00:47.640 --> 03:00:53.720
 i'm just concerned would there be nothing to prevent them from going that way if they want to

03:00:54.440 --> 03:00:58.200
 that's correct there's nothing to prevent them from exiting ganzer going through ganzer down

03:00:58.200 --> 03:01:05.080
 to bonnie bray down to loop 288 and over to 77 that's correct right yeah that was i'm just

03:01:05.080 --> 03:01:09.720
 saying those roads aren't designed for semi that was my concern so i definitely understand i

03:01:09.720 --> 03:01:15.000
 appreciate you calling in bringing that to the to our attention okay thank you thank you have a good

03:01:15.000 --> 03:01:24.760
 day and if i uh can we go ahead and pass the next caller through thank you mr carter

03:01:45.000 --> 03:01:48.760
 just

03:01:48.760 --> 03:01:56.280
 good evening you are with plan zoning if you could state your name and address you'll have four

03:01:56.280 --> 03:02:06.840
 minutes to speak sure my name is shula matter 16950 dallas parkway with 120 and they may ask

03:02:06.840 --> 03:02:12.440
 permission since i represent five properties and instead of talking four minutes on each if i can

03:02:12.440 --> 03:02:20.200
 do like five to six minutes all together like it's my initial presentation that's okay with you yes

03:02:20.200 --> 03:02:27.080
 that's okay you have six thank you so much okay thank you so much and good evening my name is

03:02:27.080 --> 03:02:35.720
 shula nature and i'm a representative of cat bentham 35 five six ten and eleven bentham is

03:02:35.720 --> 03:02:41.960
 described as a university city and the city of science technology arts and music it has a big

03:02:41.960 --> 03:02:49.240
 medical center and conference center all of these are on the east side of highway 35 bentham has

03:02:49.240 --> 03:02:54.840
 always also been blessed with a wonderful airport and big industrial component around it all on the

03:02:54.840 --> 03:03:02.680
 west side the property that we're discussing is right in the intersection of 288 and i-35

03:03:02.680 --> 03:03:08.520
 and it's the front and most visible place of the gateway for the whole northeast quadrant

03:03:09.720 --> 03:03:15.800
 this should be the newest and well planned area of the future of bentham with that in mind the

03:03:15.800 --> 03:03:25.320
 future plan calls to the front to be zoned cgo and described officially by the city and i'm reading

03:03:25.320 --> 03:03:31.080
 intended to provide locations for variety of workplaces and complementary uses

03:03:31.080 --> 03:03:38.520
 principal uses including office research and development related supporting uses the go

03:03:39.720 --> 03:03:44.840
 district provide area for flexible office space encouraging establishment of research

03:03:44.840 --> 03:03:51.080
 and development opportunity for business innovation under that the city the city

03:03:51.080 --> 03:03:56.520
 shows a picture of beautiful office buildings something like whole business park in prisco

03:03:56.520 --> 03:04:03.800
 or legacy in plano this learning request is a big deviation from this plan and vision

03:04:03.800 --> 03:04:11.160
 and will adversely affect the whole northeast quadrant the use request of tracking distributors

03:04:11.160 --> 03:04:19.320
 or as the applicant is beautifying the name to fleet service provider is not an allowable use

03:04:19.320 --> 03:04:29.160
 in many cities you will not see this use in plano frisco allen prosper selina etc as one city manager

03:04:29.160 --> 03:04:36.120
 told me tracking does not bring much tax benefit to the city and it creates an environmental store

03:04:36.120 --> 03:04:43.320
 and pays very low wages as to this zoning case did you see the colored pictures of the buildings

03:04:43.320 --> 03:04:50.440
 that are proposing the only missing thing in this picture are hundreds of trucks initially miss

03:04:50.440 --> 03:04:57.160
 white mentioned in the report that there would be between 25 to 50 trucks and the next report 50 to

03:04:57.160 --> 03:05:05.480
 100 i studied the project in depth with few experts in the tracking industry describing the project

03:05:05.480 --> 03:05:13.400
 that is about 40 acres of land with 80 000 square feet of buildings those experts estimate that this

03:05:13.400 --> 03:05:23.480
 size facility will have about 250 to 400 trucks and maybe more you do not invest 40 million dollars

03:05:23.480 --> 03:05:31.640
 for 50 tracks i asked mr kanan and the city if given their zoning who will monitor how many

03:05:31.640 --> 03:05:37.320
 tracks there will be and the response was that there will be no monitoring of the city and he

03:05:37.320 --> 03:05:44.040
 does not know how many will be a very big question on this case also is why didn't the city require

03:05:44.040 --> 03:05:51.000
 traffic studies in this case it's a very important factor let's talk a little about the process that

03:05:51.000 --> 03:05:57.400
 was handled in this case i happened to find out about the zoning when the broker comes to my came

03:05:57.400 --> 03:06:02.600
 to my office to ask for a sewer easement for a small commercial project i asked who's running

03:06:02.600 --> 03:06:09.160
 the zoning and was told amy to say i was told i hear from her but i didn't after waiting a couple

03:06:09.160 --> 03:06:16.360
 of weeks i reached out to her only then we had a zoning a zoom meeting and she sent me some claims

03:06:16.920 --> 03:06:22.840
 after receiving them and finding out that this was not a little commercial project and in fact

03:06:22.840 --> 03:06:30.280
 was a very damaging heavy industrial project i contacted mrs white and my to my disappointment

03:06:30.280 --> 03:06:36.040
 she said that the staff was going to recommend approval although the city knew that this case

03:06:36.040 --> 03:06:43.560
 would be her in january 6 notices to the meeting were not made up until december 21st my office

03:06:43.560 --> 03:06:49.560
 received them on december 31st it seems that the information is being hidden all the time

03:06:49.560 --> 03:06:56.680
 and a short notice on holiday week emphasized it then the meeting was moved today so then the

03:06:56.680 --> 03:07:03.720
 moving was moved to january 20 preparing for this meeting tonight i talked with neighboring

03:07:03.720 --> 03:07:09.080
 residents that informed me that there was a neighborhood meeting i had no knowledge of the

03:07:09.080 --> 03:07:14.600
 neighborhood meeting when i called mr said i was told that since i knew about the project

03:07:14.600 --> 03:07:19.560
 she they decided not to invite me to the neighborhood meeting i guess they knew i would oppose

03:07:19.560 --> 03:07:26.760
 in the applicant's report to the city they said that they called a neighborhood meeting and nobody

03:07:26.760 --> 03:07:33.640
 showed up i'm here to tell you that i did not show up because i was not invited and didn't know about

03:07:33.640 --> 03:07:41.320
 it the city recommends two neighborhoods meetings the second one never was called mrs rich reached

03:07:41.320 --> 03:07:47.960
 out to me and asked to have a zoom meeting last monday during which she told me that they made

03:07:47.960 --> 03:07:56.360
 changes but she could not show them to me yet later that day mrs emails me and said shula i do

03:07:56.360 --> 03:08:02.680
 not have any materials to send to you i will talk to you through the changes to our zoning request

03:08:02.680 --> 03:08:09.000
 and steps we are taking to provide the buffer to your property once we have everything finalized

03:08:09.000 --> 03:08:14.600
 and she puts in parentheses later in the evening or tomorrow i will send you the final version

03:08:14.600 --> 03:08:22.760
 to date i have not received anything zoning that request buffer means that it's bad thing

03:08:22.760 --> 03:08:33.640
 and they're trying to hide i'm going i'm going that the entire quadrant will lower this will

03:08:33.640 --> 03:08:40.440
 lower the whole entire quadrant lower the values and uses of thousands of acres on the northeast

03:08:40.440 --> 03:08:46.760
 and it's bad for the city of danston as pmd members you're here because you care about the

03:08:46.760 --> 03:08:53.320
 city and its development i hope that you will not approve the zoning case for the use that

03:08:53.320 --> 03:09:00.600
 is not even allowed in most cities i'm sure that hers back is a great company but it does not

03:09:00.600 --> 03:09:07.480
 belong here thank you very much thank you very much for for calling in i want to see if anyone

03:09:07.480 --> 03:09:10.920
 has any questions for you does any here's our questions for miss westler

03:09:15.880 --> 03:09:22.040
 miss westler can you turn down your tv are you are you there yeah okay yeah we're just we're

03:09:22.040 --> 03:09:26.840
 getting an echo can can you clarify something you when you mentioned your address on record

03:09:26.840 --> 03:09:32.440
 you gave a dallas address is that correct yes sir i'm a real estate broker and i represent

03:09:32.440 --> 03:09:41.960
 and the owners okay so you're not a property owner adjacent to this property i'm the president of

03:09:41.960 --> 03:09:48.920
 their corporation and i represent them yes okay that might be a reason you might have not gotten

03:09:48.920 --> 03:09:57.400
 a notification do you know if the oh no no no no no no no no no i'm i'm on the application i'm on

03:09:57.400 --> 03:10:03.560
 the list definitely i'm on the list and i did get the notices it just went forward the neighborhood

03:10:03.560 --> 03:10:08.200
 meetings they decided not to have me because i guess they didn't want me to find my opinion

03:10:10.360 --> 03:10:16.360
 and that is not a neighborhood meeting okay i appreciate the clarification and the owners

03:10:16.360 --> 03:10:23.400
 that you represent do they have adjacent property to this yeah right we have like six adjacent

03:10:23.400 --> 03:10:31.160
 properties i think we are like 80 percent my owners have about 4 000 acres the whole northeast

03:10:31.160 --> 03:10:37.160
 quadrant of this area they are the most wonderful caring people they've worked with many cities in

03:10:37.160 --> 03:10:43.640
 this area and they always are waiting to do the right thing and they and to hold off for the right

03:10:43.640 --> 03:10:49.960
 development we were approached by actually by hirschbach themselves to and other tracking

03:10:49.960 --> 03:10:56.040
 companies to sell land my my owners could have made a lot of money making those sales

03:10:56.040 --> 03:11:03.000
 but they decided not to they decided that this quadrant should be high quality with the vision

03:11:03.000 --> 03:11:09.400
 of the city it shouldn't be a tracking place if the city made you know when the city was young

03:11:09.400 --> 03:11:14.920
 and it was rural and they gave some tracking zoning that was in the past i think now we need

03:11:14.920 --> 03:11:22.120
 to look at the future of denton and this quadrant is the future of denton that should be the quality

03:11:22.120 --> 03:11:31.880
 the very big part if you go further up is is the most gorgeous rolling um rolling gate country land

03:11:32.440 --> 03:11:38.360
 and i noticed when i showed my clients that land i took them to stonebridge to show them because

03:11:38.360 --> 03:11:45.400
 it's kind of the same topography and i showed them this is my vision for this deal to be like a stone

03:11:45.400 --> 03:11:52.440
 bridge like with a lot of amenities and rolling and beautiful and surrounded by quality commercial

03:11:53.080 --> 03:12:06.520
 quality office quality employment and you know as i said you know um you know as one of the city

03:12:06.520 --> 03:12:13.720
 managers that i quoted they say many cities do not allow tracking use like this because they say it's

03:12:13.720 --> 03:12:20.440
 environmentally like here they're going to wash 400 tracks by the creek i mean the whole thing is

03:12:20.440 --> 03:12:27.240
 just wrong and then you know they said tracking brings very little tax benefits for the city

03:12:27.240 --> 03:12:35.880
 it creates environmental floor and pays very low wages so i i envision that i think denton has such

03:12:35.880 --> 03:12:44.440
 an aura of beautiful quality academic education wonderful things we are in an era of wonderful

03:12:44.440 --> 03:12:52.840
 technology high you know med medicine and so on and what can be more perfect than that area

03:12:52.840 --> 03:12:58.840
 for the expansion of denton and and you're and and i think the city is lucky to have people like

03:12:58.840 --> 03:13:05.320
 my owners that are sitting and waiting to do the right thing we could have slapped a lot of such

03:13:05.320 --> 03:13:10.280
 zoning i think i could have made a lot of sense i think i appreciate your answer and some of the

03:13:10.280 --> 03:13:16.360
 points you had made you certainly uh to me were clear earlier the one thing i do want to ask it

03:13:16.360 --> 03:13:24.280
 seems as though um during this discussion it part of the rationale that this isn't um the best fit

03:13:24.280 --> 03:13:31.880
 for denton is it doesn't compare to frisco alan prosper or mckinney and i'm curious do you represent

03:13:31.880 --> 03:13:36.840
 ownership groups that want to change their property to make it more like alan mckinney and prosper

03:13:37.400 --> 03:13:44.840
 is that the goal is to make northeast denton like the other cities i think i don't think it's like

03:13:44.840 --> 03:13:51.240
 the other city because denton has its uniqueness there's no other city has denton has the wonderful

03:13:51.240 --> 03:13:57.320
 universities and the wonderful spirit no it's not to make them like but what i was trying to show

03:13:57.320 --> 03:14:06.760
 is like like new architectural new innovation new things that are compatible with the education

03:14:07.800 --> 03:14:14.120
 of denton with all the values of denton no it shouldn't be like a plain it shouldn't be like

03:14:14.120 --> 03:14:18.280
 in the frisco i was bringing it as an example for architectural and newness

03:14:18.280 --> 03:14:25.240
 and caring of what is going in okay that makes sense i just i appreciate you acknowledging that

03:14:25.240 --> 03:14:30.120
 denton is unique and like no other city which is maybe why this use case doesn't exist in other

03:14:30.120 --> 03:14:38.840
 cities exactly and and i think i think the closest i can compare denton to in my mind is austin

03:14:38.840 --> 03:14:44.200
 gotcha well uh it looks like we have another question for you go fast christian or beck

03:14:44.200 --> 03:14:54.040
 yes thank you chair um can i ask um caller what um if you don't think that this is an appropriate

03:14:54.040 --> 03:15:00.520
 use or consistent use does uh the the adjacent uses that are already involved in these uses

03:15:00.520 --> 03:15:04.520
 well um is it that you'd like to see those go away

03:15:04.520 --> 03:15:14.040
 well it's well you know i i don't think i ever want to push anybody away i think everybody that

03:15:14.040 --> 03:15:20.280
 is there you know needs to be grandfathered and it needs to be working with the city i think right

03:15:20.280 --> 03:15:28.040
 is right and wrong is wrong and then so i think i think those you know and if they find better

03:15:28.040 --> 03:15:34.360
 places to move on it'll be wonderful but if they decide to stay there there and they've been part

03:15:34.360 --> 03:15:41.240
 of the community and i think we need to respect that but not to put more things like that and i'm

03:15:41.240 --> 03:15:50.280
 sure that each one of you dropped by those facilities and it's not the best but they're

03:15:50.280 --> 03:15:54.600
 part of the community and we respect that but we shouldn't add on to it

03:15:54.600 --> 03:16:05.480
 is there any other questions for uh miss netzer yes sir i don't see any other questions but i

03:16:05.480 --> 03:16:09.480
 appreciate you calling in and bringing your concerns to us thank you and thank you very

03:16:09.480 --> 03:16:14.760
 much for considering it and caring about them so thank you very much of course bye have a good

03:16:14.760 --> 03:16:30.920
 evening if i could ask staff to bring in the third caller

03:16:30.920 --> 03:16:38.680
 good evening you're with pnz if you could state your name and address you have four minutes to

03:16:38.680 --> 03:16:48.040
 speak very good this is robert nicholas and i'm an attorney at miclos sinclair plc the address

03:16:48.040 --> 03:16:56.520
 business address is 1800 valley du lane suite 360 farmers branch texas 75234 and i represent

03:16:56.520 --> 03:17:04.440
 cat denton and uh miss netzer i will say that i did not have the sound on during her presentation

03:17:04.440 --> 03:17:11.080
 so if i say anything that's redundant in any way i don't think i will uh but if i do i i apologize

03:17:11.080 --> 03:17:20.200
 um and i'll just cut right to it um i'm speaking in opposition i'm sorry this is cody with city of

03:17:20.200 --> 03:17:25.000
 denton how you doing tonight i'm good how are you doing all right thank you um just want to let you

03:17:25.000 --> 03:17:31.960
 know i'm queuing you up to be the next uh person to speak you're on you'll have four minutes to

03:17:31.960 --> 03:17:39.640
 speak on this item and um i'm going to place you on hold right now and whenever uh robert is is

03:17:39.640 --> 03:17:46.200
 finished with his four minutes i'll patch you in i this is all right thank you uh apologize for

03:17:46.200 --> 03:17:54.680
 that confusion robert uh will you please continue okay i and i have the sound off so can y'all hear

03:17:54.680 --> 03:18:03.640
 me we we can now okay i'll restate it sorry yes please this is robert nicholas and i'm a land use

03:18:03.640 --> 03:18:12.280
 attorney at miclos sinclair plc my office uh address is 1800 valley du lane suite 360 farmers

03:18:12.280 --> 03:18:20.600
 branch texas 75234 i represent cat denton and uh miss shula netzer uh i had the sound off with

03:18:20.600 --> 03:18:26.280
 y'all so i apologize if i'm saying anything redundant to what i said 30 seconds ago or

03:18:26.280 --> 03:18:32.680
 anything that she said uh but i didn't hear what she said so i'll cut right to it i'm speaking in

03:18:32.680 --> 03:18:40.040
 opposition uh to this zoning case uh i don't know whether miss netzer said that or not but she uh

03:18:40.040 --> 03:18:48.200
 represents approximately 5 000 acres uh to the north northwest northeast of this property site

03:18:48.200 --> 03:18:56.360
 so even though this appears to be a 22 opposition if the rest of this 200 foot buffer zone was in

03:18:56.360 --> 03:19:02.760
 this area the opposition percentage would be significantly higher than just the 22 so i wanted

03:19:02.760 --> 03:19:10.920
 to emphasize this i was watching the work uh session and uh i agree with the concept or the

03:19:10.920 --> 03:19:17.080
 thought process that was going through what this application is is this is a general office

03:19:18.520 --> 03:19:26.600
 for structure and land site but this is an industrial use attached to the plan development

03:19:26.600 --> 03:19:34.600
 so this is a uh industrial intrusion into a general office use and the future land use map

03:19:34.600 --> 03:19:41.320
 for business innovation calls this designation is intended for large tracts of land that are

03:19:41.320 --> 03:19:47.080
 appropriate for well-planned larger scale office and employment parks with supporting uses such as

03:19:47.080 --> 03:19:53.000
 retail hotels and residential primary uses include office research and development and light

03:19:53.000 --> 03:19:59.640
 manufacturing so with respect to your planning staff and the applicant i will respectfully

03:19:59.640 --> 03:20:06.440
 disagree and state that i believe that this is in opposition to your future land use map and in

03:20:06.440 --> 03:20:13.800
 opposition to general office i could say a lot of words and throw a lot of words at you but i think

03:20:13.800 --> 03:20:22.760
 that the most significant uh way to uh i guess get over uh what the opposition really is and what the

03:20:22.760 --> 03:20:29.880
 concern really is here is is that once you allow an industrial use in a general office area just

03:20:29.880 --> 03:20:36.760
 like your previous case uh where you had loves truck stop going next to a bunch of other uh truck

03:20:36.760 --> 03:20:43.720
 related uses once you put a truck related use here and you saw that 17 truck bays truck parking

03:20:43.800 --> 03:20:51.000
 truck idling uh truck repair uh that's what you're going to get next to this site that's what you're

03:20:51.000 --> 03:20:56.120
 going to get because put yourself in the place of a landowner next to this are you going to put

03:20:56.120 --> 03:21:04.920
 restaurant with porches across a vinyl fence from 50 trucks idling at 3 a.m are you going to put a

03:21:04.920 --> 03:21:10.360
 hotel next to that are you going to put residential next to that of course not so what's going to

03:21:10.360 --> 03:21:15.880
 happen is is that i know legally and you've got your city attorney here very very good man

03:21:15.880 --> 03:21:21.880
 uh each case does not say that you have to pass another case but what you'll see is is that you're

03:21:21.880 --> 03:21:27.400
 adjoining landowners will be stuck they'll have to bring in industrial and industrial type and

03:21:27.400 --> 03:21:34.360
 transportation uses adjacent to this use because they won't be able to do the restaurants retail

03:21:34.360 --> 03:21:41.400
 the data centers the light office uses what you're going to do is you're going to transform this area

03:21:41.400 --> 03:21:49.960
 of elm north of 288 and east of i-35 into truck and truck transportation uses and pull it away from

03:21:49.960 --> 03:21:57.000
 what it's originally intended to be which is general office with some residential with retail

03:21:57.000 --> 03:22:01.720
 and office uses so what you're going to do is you're going to transform this corridor

03:22:01.720 --> 03:22:09.560
 and i think that is a against the future land use map and against general office which is exactly why

03:22:09.560 --> 03:22:16.840
 they sort of stapled on top of your general office pd uses this industrial use that's really the only

03:22:16.840 --> 03:22:24.280
 way that they could justify and try and meet your future land use guidelines so i think if you want

03:22:24.280 --> 03:22:32.520
 transportation uses in this corridor then approve this uh uh site if you want to follow what i

03:22:32.520 --> 03:22:38.040
 believe the vision of dent was for this corridor not only this particular location but it's adjacent

03:22:38.040 --> 03:22:43.080
 and surrounding uses i would ask you to oppose this and i'm going to say this finally this is

03:22:43.080 --> 03:22:48.120
 not a site that has been sitting there with grass growing for 20 or 30 years and you can't get

03:22:48.120 --> 03:22:54.840
 anybody there this is a well-sought site if you turn this down tonight harshback i'm sure is a

03:22:54.840 --> 03:23:00.760
 terrific company and on the other side of i-35 it makes perfect sense to put something like this

03:23:00.760 --> 03:23:05.560
 there heck there are already a bunch of truck traffic uses over there anyway but at this site

03:23:05.560 --> 03:23:09.960
 once you put this here you're saying we're going to have to put a lot of other truck related

03:23:09.960 --> 03:23:15.640
 and industrial uses right next to it and you're foregoing what i believe dent really intended for

03:23:15.640 --> 03:23:22.920
 this corridor to be uh so i'm asking you to vote against this to deny this uh and the red flag

03:23:22.920 --> 03:23:27.320
 should be that it requires a super majority to go to council anyway you wouldn't do this with the

03:23:27.320 --> 03:23:35.240
 residential area you wouldn't put uh an industrial use in a residential corridor um and and fit it

03:23:35.240 --> 03:23:40.760
 into a residential structure and it's the same thing here you'll get this company here you'll

03:23:40.760 --> 03:23:45.320
 get it in your city you'll get the employment here and by turning this down tonight you're

03:23:45.320 --> 03:23:50.360
 going to get a better use at this location that makes more sense it is more in line with your

03:23:50.360 --> 03:23:57.160
 future land use map that's it well mr nicholas i certainly appreciate you calling in and providing

03:23:57.160 --> 03:24:03.960
 your perspective any questions commissioners for the caller commissioner beck yes uh thank you

03:24:03.960 --> 03:24:09.400
 chair mr nicholas um i'll ask you the same question that i asked the previous speaker and that is uh

03:24:10.360 --> 03:24:16.440
 if you don't think that this use across the street is appropriate what uh is it is it that

03:24:16.440 --> 03:24:22.600
 your vision that that the existing trucking uses should be uh slowly uh depreciated and gotten rid

03:24:22.600 --> 03:24:31.240
 of okay i know that there's a truck use to the south southeast of this site and it sounds like

03:24:31.240 --> 03:24:37.160
 they're selling off and moving regardless uh so i'm not going to tell y'all what to have with that

03:24:37.160 --> 03:24:43.560
 particular location but this location is north of 288 and it looks like the intention of the city of

03:24:43.560 --> 03:24:51.640
 denton was to make this an office retail and hotel use going north there i would never ask you to run

03:24:51.640 --> 03:24:58.680
 out any existing business or uh non-conform any existing business i just think that once you put

03:24:58.680 --> 03:25:05.080
 this on the north side of 288 what you're doing is you're saying this whole area needs to be

03:25:05.080 --> 03:25:11.720
 industrial industrial related and truck uses and uh i don't think that's what the city intended

03:25:11.720 --> 03:25:18.360
 when it did a future land use map um so i'm not going to speak for what that particular location

03:25:18.360 --> 03:25:23.640
 should or shouldn't be i'm a big fan of letting businesses that are operating normally stay

03:25:23.640 --> 03:25:30.200
 but i don't think you double down on it if you had um a use that you weren't happy with at a

03:25:30.200 --> 03:25:35.160
 particular location i don't think you say well i'm going to put two or three more next to it

03:25:35.160 --> 03:25:40.040
 and double or triple down on something that would be incompatible with your future land use

03:25:40.040 --> 03:25:44.360
 you just let them run their course move their time and they look like they're intending to move

03:25:44.360 --> 03:25:52.360
 anyway that would be my answer and it is thank you any other questions for mr nicholas

03:25:52.360 --> 03:25:59.000
 i don't see any i appreciate you calling in and articulating your perspective thank you very much

03:26:00.200 --> 03:26:05.320
 thank you all and i'm going to ask staff to patch through our final caller for this evening

03:26:05.320 --> 03:26:22.680
 good evening you're with planning and zoning if you could state your name and address you'll have

03:26:22.680 --> 03:26:29.640
 four minutes to speak okay my name is sean terry it's 1800 valley view lane and farmers branch

03:26:29.640 --> 03:26:35.400
 texas and i'm with centurion american we are the owners of the two tracks of land that is directly

03:26:35.400 --> 03:26:43.640
 across from this proposed zoning change on 288 and so am i alive now can i go you're alive you can go

03:26:43.640 --> 03:26:49.320
 okay appreciate you and thank you pnz for staying listen to us you know we've we've got the land like

03:26:49.320 --> 03:26:53.320
 i said the two tracks of land that we actually own that's across the street from this proposed

03:26:53.320 --> 03:26:57.240
 zoning change you know we put a lot of work and effort went through with time spent with the city

03:26:57.240 --> 03:27:02.360
 of denton in regard to these two tracks as well as the kings ridge single-family community that

03:27:02.360 --> 03:27:07.160
 is currently being developed which is crossing the new high school um we're opposing this zoning

03:27:07.160 --> 03:27:13.000
 change this northeast quadrant of i-35 and 77 we feel like should be some kind of high quality

03:27:13.000 --> 03:27:17.880
 development that you see along 121 different places like that you know obviously when you

03:27:17.880 --> 03:27:23.080
 got residential mixed in with a lot of truck traffic it's a little harder to sell homes

03:27:23.080 --> 03:27:26.520
 and i know you guys have heard a lot of people speak tonight and things like that and i won't

03:27:26.520 --> 03:27:31.800
 beat a dead horse so to speak but you know we just oppose this due to the fact again that we want to

03:27:31.800 --> 03:27:36.520
 do some more residential over there bringing more high quality homes in and we felt like having

03:27:36.520 --> 03:27:40.040
 something like this with this amount of trucks that'll be going right across the street from us

03:27:40.040 --> 03:27:44.840
 with the added noise and things it could be a challenge for us and and again i appreciate

03:27:44.840 --> 03:27:49.880
 you guys times and gals times for being here and listen to us talk and i'll uh i'll sit back and

03:27:49.880 --> 03:27:55.480
 answer any questions that you might have i appreciate mr sarah any questions for the caller

03:27:56.520 --> 03:28:02.280
 uh i do not see any uh but i appreciate you calling in and providing your your two cents

03:28:02.280 --> 03:28:06.520
 and perspective okay thank you all very much and have a good evening thank you you too

03:28:06.520 --> 03:28:16.760
 bye bye any more callers that concludes uh the public speaking or public hearing part of that

03:28:16.760 --> 03:28:23.560
 i'm gonna go ahead and close the public hearing officially and turn it to the dais for a motion

03:28:23.560 --> 03:28:29.560
 and discussion commissioner smith um before i make a motion i'd like to just say that i think that

03:28:29.560 --> 03:28:37.960
 the uh i think the public comments have been um well heard and received i think that uh you know

03:28:37.960 --> 03:28:45.720
 that we've uh certainly a tricky area for us to put a for us to approve a zoning but that uh that

03:28:45.720 --> 03:28:54.760
 area has always um screamed to me as exactly what the flume has it as business innovation um sounds

03:28:54.760 --> 03:29:01.080
 like from what's uh you know hearing from the representative from uh brian from from hershbach

03:29:01.080 --> 03:29:06.760
 that it seems like the company is doing things that are uh you know leading edge of a trucking

03:29:06.760 --> 03:29:12.520
 industry they're uh trying to take care of their employees they uh it seems like the growth of this

03:29:12.520 --> 03:29:18.280
 site if it's zoned correctly would i would bring employment and economic strength to the city um

03:29:18.280 --> 03:29:23.400
 so i do want to make a motion to approve the project uh but i want to make that with a caveat

03:29:23.400 --> 03:29:28.520
 of um i think that discussion we had in work session that commissioner roselle or chair was

03:29:28.520 --> 03:29:35.480
 all brought up is extremely important that this is uh there's more and more of these projects develop

03:29:35.480 --> 03:29:41.880
 and as we kind of set something like this it's a very large commercial project it'll be somewhat of

03:29:41.880 --> 03:29:49.480
 a cornerstone in this area um we need to create a a small area plan and so i do want to make a

03:29:49.480 --> 03:29:53.960
 motion to approve uh and um we'll look forward to talking about that matrix when we get to it

03:29:53.960 --> 03:29:57.000
 commissioner cole i'll second

03:29:57.000 --> 03:30:04.680
 we have a first and a second for approval uh discussion we'll start with commissioner

03:30:04.680 --> 03:30:11.240
 anderson thank you chair uh first i'd like to say you know thanks to amy and brian for both

03:30:11.240 --> 03:30:18.840
 uh your presentation and that helped clarify several some questions i had regarding the design

03:30:18.840 --> 03:30:26.120
 and the intent of the use of the property uh i look forward to watching your project progress

03:30:26.120 --> 03:30:31.480
 uh i'm going to go ahead and vote as an eye for this project i think that whole corridor out there

03:30:31.480 --> 03:30:39.240
 as commissioner cole stated earlier has been as far as i've lived and did in my whole life

03:30:39.240 --> 03:30:45.560
 it's been known as a trucking area uh 76 trucks off the tna that's out there now used to be 76

03:30:45.560 --> 03:30:50.120
 truck style we played baseball for them they sponsored a lot of little league pony league

03:30:50.120 --> 03:30:58.360
 teams in this city uh that whole area has been uh has been that corridor and i don't see where

03:30:58.360 --> 03:31:05.640
 this is going to be that much of a difference and if we can keep it in one area that's great

03:31:05.640 --> 03:31:14.680
 instead of spreading it out all over the area and uh you know uh thank you again to uh hersbach for

03:31:14.680 --> 03:31:20.360
 investing 40 million dollars into the city that each of us on this commission uh like so much or

03:31:20.360 --> 03:31:25.880
 we wouldn't be sitting here and listening to these presentations and uh i hope you do take

03:31:25.880 --> 03:31:32.360
 advantage of your new neighbor here in ditten uh peter built and order some vehicles and trucks

03:31:32.360 --> 03:31:39.960
 from them uh that would be a great partnership for both of you and uh i do like your motto i'm in on

03:31:39.960 --> 03:31:44.840
 this i'm all in so uh hope you're all in to win and uh i just want to say i'm going to go ahead

03:31:44.840 --> 03:31:51.400
 and vote eye for this and uh i hope i can say welcome to ditten so thank you uh well christopher

03:31:51.400 --> 03:31:56.200
 anderson you will have to officially vote later on but i appreciate uh your voice in support now

03:31:56.200 --> 03:32:03.320
 uh christopher beck thank you chair um so i'm going to follow in from what commissioner anderson said

03:32:03.320 --> 03:32:12.600
 it seems like um oh you know i that this area has you know been a trucking area um i've driven back

03:32:12.600 --> 03:32:18.040
 and forth uh up this corridor to get to oklahoma and see family from the houston area my entire

03:32:18.040 --> 03:32:28.120
 life and that's a trucking area even though i'm only a 2007 uh transplanted and um it the other

03:32:28.120 --> 03:32:35.960
 thing that particularly appealed to me is they're unlike many of the development projects uh that

03:32:35.960 --> 03:32:43.160
 they were exceeding capacity on some of the environmental era uh conditions that are you know

03:32:43.160 --> 03:32:49.560
 near and dear to my particular heart in addition uh the campus doesn't look like a typical at least

03:32:49.560 --> 03:32:58.920
 the elevation didn't look like a typical um uh kind of project so i it feels like for business

03:32:58.920 --> 03:33:06.440
 innovation just like commissioner smith said we we have a a modern more innovative more

03:33:07.480 --> 03:33:14.920
 contemporary use that has been there for a while as commissioner anderson said so i think i'm i'm

03:33:14.920 --> 03:33:23.400
 also going to be supporting this thank you christopher alice thank you chair well i may be the lone

03:33:23.400 --> 03:33:29.640
 wolf on this because i do have just so many concerns on this request um and it's not that

03:33:29.640 --> 03:33:34.360
 i'm disrespecting this company or their business um they're a fine company they've been a fine

03:33:35.000 --> 03:33:42.680
 neighbor in denton um but my concerns are you know we don't have a current plan or vision for

03:33:42.680 --> 03:33:51.560
 this gateway we don't have a current definition for this land use we don't even know if we want

03:33:51.560 --> 03:33:57.800
 it in the city or where but when we discussed it in work session we know we don't want it in geo

03:33:58.840 --> 03:34:05.960
 we don't think but we're going to try to fit it in geo by finagling some parameters

03:34:05.960 --> 03:34:12.360
 in a planned development except we don't have a full planned development because we're not

03:34:12.360 --> 03:34:17.640
 discussing phase two and if we're trying to put it all into a pd we probably should have a full

03:34:17.640 --> 03:34:27.640
 vision for the pd not a phase two that needs a major uh plan development that has to come back

03:34:27.640 --> 03:34:35.720
 here i think this is a significant facility and i think what we're setting up is for phase two

03:34:35.720 --> 03:34:44.840
 to effectively be more trucking related uses and if that was the vision that we had for this

03:34:44.840 --> 03:34:50.760
 which i don't know if it is or it isn't it's hard for me to support a plan development that's not

03:34:50.760 --> 03:34:59.240
 planned i'm also concerned with the adjacent property owners that have have called in today

03:34:59.240 --> 03:35:06.040
 and talked with us they have master plan communities with single family uses multi-family

03:35:06.040 --> 03:35:13.480
 uses and some commercial uses office uses but not industrial uses like major trucking facilities

03:35:14.200 --> 03:35:21.800
 so i'm having a real hard time getting on board with this because our decision is to be planning

03:35:21.800 --> 03:35:31.160
 for the future and with our lack of vision here i can't say that this is what our vision is i don't

03:35:31.160 --> 03:35:35.560
 think that's what our vision is on that side of the road i understand we keep saying oh it's

03:35:35.560 --> 03:35:42.360
 already happening on the other side of the road it's very divided there where where they're wanting

03:35:42.360 --> 03:35:49.480
 to build this use is not there it's on the other side of the highway it's on the other side of the

03:35:49.480 --> 03:35:57.560
 loop right now in a small way but it's not on that side of loop 288 like is being proposed now

03:35:57.560 --> 03:36:05.960
 if we do allow this i am convinced that that is what we are going to have for this corridor going

03:36:05.960 --> 03:36:13.880
 forward and right now that isn't something that i'm willing to get on board with thank you commissioner

03:36:13.880 --> 03:36:21.560
 alice christner beck yes thank you chair i i want to push back slightly on what commissioner alice

03:36:21.560 --> 03:36:27.640
 said that use has been there as several of the commissioners said including myself for for years

03:36:27.640 --> 03:36:33.400
 and years and years and so the development for single family multi-family town hall master plan

03:36:33.400 --> 03:36:41.560
 committee moved into an area with existing usage of light industrial general office uses

03:36:41.560 --> 03:36:46.360
 i guess with the idea that that would die off

03:36:46.360 --> 03:36:53.720
 i but at the same time the representatives say they don't want to kick these elements out and

03:36:53.720 --> 03:36:59.720
 i mentioned this to chair earlier you know unless we're willing to say that this is not a use that i

03:36:59.720 --> 03:37:05.720
 want that's not that i'm going to put my thumb on the scales to make this untenable that's a use

03:37:05.720 --> 03:37:11.320
 that's already there and it's almost literally across the street from the existing use so

03:37:11.320 --> 03:37:19.640
 um i i think this i'll i'll just be i'll just cards on the table i think this is

03:37:19.640 --> 03:37:25.240
 uh developers wanting light industrial uses versus developers wanting single family homes

03:37:25.240 --> 03:37:32.360
 and this is a developer versus developer issue and um there is existing use and developers in

03:37:32.360 --> 03:37:43.720
 in in low in situ um i'm versus uh hypothetical development in the future i'm i don't feel

03:37:43.720 --> 03:37:50.760
 comfortable trying to to run this out and i think you could do a small area plan that said i'm going

03:37:50.760 --> 03:37:58.520
 to have the tesla trucking group i'm going to have the hershbach austin light campus i'm going to make

03:37:58.520 --> 03:38:04.360
 this yes it's going to be geo and line industrial but you could do a small area plan that said this

03:38:04.360 --> 03:38:11.080
 is a light industrial that is sexy instead of light industrial that's detroit blight and and that's up

03:38:11.080 --> 03:38:20.520
 to us so uh those are my two cents commissioner alice yeah thank you chair and i'll just push back

03:38:20.520 --> 03:38:25.320
 with some of those comments where we're not dealing with an industrial use it's geo that is what we're

03:38:25.320 --> 03:38:30.920
 dealing with here it's geo and rr and they're requesting that the base zoning be geo not

03:38:30.920 --> 03:38:35.960
 industrial on that side and i don't believe this is a developer versus developer i believe this is

03:38:35.960 --> 03:38:42.280
 all about planning and all about a vision and all about a major corridor that brings people

03:38:42.280 --> 03:38:54.280
 into the north side of living in the city of denton all right i'm gonna uh tread into these

03:38:54.280 --> 03:38:59.720
 waters of i think a really good and healthy discussion and um i'll be honest i've kind of

03:38:59.720 --> 03:39:04.760
 richard you want to go ahead and speak yeah and i'm not trying to i just wanted to

03:39:04.760 --> 03:39:09.960
 point out the the geo district because i think it's i always say it's the most misunderstood

03:39:09.960 --> 03:39:15.080
 district that we have in the in the 2019 ddc and i think it's important just to note that this

03:39:15.080 --> 03:39:22.280
 this transition from rccn to to geo and so there were no industrial uses permitted prior um it

03:39:22.280 --> 03:39:28.840
 transitioned to to geo which now does permit industrial uses so while it's not a strictly

03:39:28.840 --> 03:39:33.400
 industrial district it does allow for light manufacturing allows for medium manufacturing

03:39:33.400 --> 03:39:40.200
 with an sup and it does allow for wholesale and warehousing the prior district they had a limitation

03:39:40.200 --> 03:39:46.360
 of 55 000 square feet the geo does not and so it is really a a hybrid district and i just don't want

03:39:46.360 --> 03:39:52.120
 us to get too hung up on on the name general office but but it does allow for a variety of those

03:39:52.120 --> 03:39:56.360
 of those uses including an industrial that that was all just wanted to note that

03:39:58.520 --> 03:40:05.160
 thanks richard uh back to to what i hope is not a long soliloquy i remember uh a couple decades ago

03:40:05.160 --> 03:40:11.160
 um i got news my family got news that peter built had paid for a super world commercial

03:40:11.160 --> 03:40:14.760
 and that the truck that they were going to put in the commercial was going to have denton texas on

03:40:14.760 --> 03:40:20.600
 the side of it this is before tivo or dvr and literally in my house as a kid i remember us all

03:40:20.600 --> 03:40:25.400
 rushing the tv so we could see peter built drive down through a super world commercial with denton

03:40:25.400 --> 03:40:32.440
 texas on the side of it and since then and other than peter built i've never seen a company wanting

03:40:32.440 --> 03:40:37.000
 and being proud of the city of denton i haven't seen a national landscape like peter built did

03:40:37.000 --> 03:40:40.280
 in that super world commercial i don't know if hirschbach's ever going to buy a super world

03:40:40.280 --> 03:40:44.920
 commercial but i do know that they're wanting to invest in denton and no one else has done it in

03:40:44.920 --> 03:40:49.400
 that corridor to the size and the extent in which they're coming to the table with real dollars to

03:40:49.400 --> 03:40:56.760
 support our town and so if we had a another option that has been brought to this this area

03:40:56.760 --> 03:41:01.720
 then let's let's hear it how long has that been sitting there hirschbach has committed to denton

03:41:01.720 --> 03:41:08.280
 they've already been operating in denton they want to expand into denton with 100 mechanics jobs

03:41:08.280 --> 03:41:14.680
 that that's good paying work to keep people living in denton keeping their dinner dollars in denton

03:41:14.680 --> 03:41:20.840
 buying at our stores here in denton and so again if other companies want to come and put this kind

03:41:20.840 --> 03:41:25.240
 of investment up and commit to the city of denton like hirschbach has already done and is doing

03:41:25.240 --> 03:41:32.200
 tonight then i i welcome it i want to see it but right now hirschbach is at the table with dollars

03:41:32.200 --> 03:41:39.160
 and no one else is and to the point of developer versus developer i tend to agree with my

03:41:39.160 --> 03:41:46.120
 commissioner beck this is not people coming from the hartley field coalition saying these are our

03:41:46.120 --> 03:41:53.080
 homes that that's backing up to this is foreign dallas money owning 5 000 acres and wanting to

03:41:53.080 --> 03:41:59.640
 protect that investment this it's it is 100 a developer from out of town wanting to make

03:41:59.640 --> 03:42:07.080
 sure the hills of denton is successful it's not protect our our farm land which is a lot more

03:42:07.080 --> 03:42:13.000
 compelling to me east of here down at hartley field when we were going through all that

03:42:13.000 --> 03:42:20.040
 well y'all remember the issues east of here so it does seem like i mean two of the four callers

03:42:20.040 --> 03:42:26.760
 tonight were were highly incentivized monetarily to make sure this thing doesn't go in and so i

03:42:26.760 --> 03:42:31.320
 don't see any other way than kind of to beck's point we have i don't even know if it's a developer

03:42:31.320 --> 03:42:36.440
 versus developer it seems like there's a corporation wanting to commit to denton and a developer

03:42:36.440 --> 03:42:42.280
 wanting to protect a massive housing project from from down in dallas i think is where they were

03:42:42.280 --> 03:42:48.520
 calling from and so that's just not a compelling argument at all that being said it's incumbent on

03:42:48.520 --> 03:42:55.240
 the city the mayor council staff to protect this corridor because the creep potential is real i

03:42:55.240 --> 03:43:01.160
 think uh sean terry was the one who said it and commissioner ellis echoed it that this could set

03:43:01.160 --> 03:43:07.080
 a precedent of a lot of trucking and to commissioner beck's point is that we want i don't i don't know

03:43:07.080 --> 03:43:13.000
 commissioner ellis brings up a good point of this is not the most traditional pd we've ever seen

03:43:13.000 --> 03:43:19.320
 and so i think we have a massive responsibility to get a small area plan done asap to ensure other

03:43:19.320 --> 03:43:23.320
 people who are looking to purchase property understand the expectations of the city but since

03:43:23.320 --> 03:43:28.600
 that hasn't been done i'm certainly not in a position to try to punish or lobby my opinions

03:43:28.600 --> 03:43:34.040
 on harshbox investment and say well wait a couple years while the city figures out what we're going

03:43:34.040 --> 03:43:38.600
 to do with the land we haven't done it yet i don't think it's right to have them wait until it does

03:43:38.600 --> 03:43:44.840
 get done that being said in addition to the small area plan i'm not a fan of the way city kind of

03:43:44.840 --> 03:43:50.040
 put this together no offense to the planners involved but to commissioner ellis's point this

03:43:50.040 --> 03:44:00.120
 was one of the the um less tightly formed pds we've seen uh certainly uh we have a pd that's

03:44:00.120 --> 03:44:06.840
 doesn't seem to be very specific on the adjacent property under the pd which i'll be honest almost

03:44:06.840 --> 03:44:11.880
 excuse me to vote no on this because it's it seems really haphazard and i and i certainly wouldn't

03:44:11.880 --> 03:44:17.240
 want to see this again or the other commissioners to see this again and so uh with with maybe a

03:44:17.240 --> 03:44:24.200
 stern admonition i think we need to clean up pds uh and actually make them planned developments

03:44:24.200 --> 03:44:30.440
 um those are my two cents uh sorry if it's more stream of consciousness but i i fully support this

03:44:30.440 --> 03:44:35.400
 project and what hirschbach is is doing and i and i certainly want them buying peter built trucks

03:44:35.400 --> 03:44:41.240
 um so i'd like to see that happen if it's not tesla trucks going forward any other discussion

03:44:41.240 --> 03:44:48.440
 on this item all right seeing none we'll take a vote via roll call starting with commissioner ellis

03:44:48.440 --> 03:44:56.440
 and with my vote i will say this is not against hirschbach or anything that they do um or have

03:44:56.440 --> 03:45:03.720
 done with our city this has to do with me being against trying to fit this into a geozoning and

03:45:03.720 --> 03:45:12.760
 i will vote no commissioner beck for the reasons i said earlier i'll be voting yes uh commissioner

03:45:12.760 --> 03:45:24.680
 anderson yes commissioner cole yes commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries five

03:45:24.680 --> 03:45:32.040
 one congratulations next item of business is the concluding item our matrix i will turn the floor

03:45:32.040 --> 03:45:35.080
 over to richard for any updates and then to the dais forward discussion

03:45:35.080 --> 03:45:46.040
 i think i know which item to add um to to the matrix um i don't know that i'll have it on the

03:45:46.040 --> 03:45:52.600
 next agenda but but i do promise i will have that um at least a a beginning discussion on that most

03:45:52.600 --> 03:45:58.280
 likely on the 17th along with with the fees um so i'll have um selena reach out we may want to

03:45:58.280 --> 03:46:02.520
 start a little early to have that discussion but it might be a good segue as we're updating the

03:46:02.520 --> 03:46:07.720
 comprehensive plan um to really look at these areas but i'd also like to take a step back and

03:46:07.720 --> 03:46:14.520
 and look at at the gateways overall um in fact we had a just internally uh we've had that that

03:46:14.520 --> 03:46:20.440
 discussion um both with with the city manager's office uh as well as our development service

03:46:20.440 --> 03:46:25.960
 management and just where we're headed and now that we've got some things under under wraps

03:46:25.960 --> 03:46:29.080
 with respect to just our development review and really getting back out there

03:46:29.080 --> 03:46:34.680
 and and starting looking at neighborhood planning area planning and and it kind of segues perfectly

03:46:34.680 --> 03:46:38.680
 with right where we are right now with the with the comprehensive plan update so if you can just

03:46:38.680 --> 03:46:43.000
 give me a couple weeks to put a little bit more together on that um but i'd like to come back

03:46:43.000 --> 03:46:48.680
 at least on the 17th with an initial discussion for these um for these uh for these area plans

03:46:49.720 --> 03:46:56.520
 with that i happy answer any questions awesome thanks for the update christner beck yes thank

03:46:56.520 --> 03:47:02.360
 you chair um richard i i emailed you this um earlier but i i think it's worth noting here for

03:47:02.360 --> 03:47:10.440
 the future matrix and and that is um and i think i semi included it in previous meetings uh after

03:47:10.440 --> 03:47:18.120
 cody gave his presentation uh and that is uh lately in the last two weeks or so i've been getting a lot

03:47:18.120 --> 03:47:22.600
 of questions maybe it's because i'm a computer guy and people know that or whatever i don't know

03:47:22.600 --> 03:47:34.440
 but a lot of how do you get information online about active projects and and the thing is we

03:47:34.440 --> 03:47:40.440
 we now know thanks to the work session cody told us all how to do it but i think there's a real

03:47:42.520 --> 03:47:49.080
 dearth of public awareness and so if if we could do what i sort of suggest an email and for the

03:47:49.080 --> 03:47:53.880
 rest of the commissioners i i asked richard if he could look into getting a web page that was a

03:47:53.880 --> 03:48:01.480
 walkthrough on how to how to go from the active projects map uh all the way out to all the

03:48:01.480 --> 03:48:07.320
 information uh the way a lot of people said what's coming who's the point of contact uh you know what's

03:48:07.320 --> 03:48:12.760
 the decapped links all that that's all available nothing has to be invented richard's team has done

03:48:12.760 --> 03:48:19.000
 that already i just think what this is is an education outreach and training issue not a

03:48:19.000 --> 03:48:26.760
 not a technology issue and i think it just needs a single web page to to make uh accessible to

03:48:26.760 --> 03:48:35.560
 citizens and that's something that we've already that's already started and so i think that that

03:48:35.560 --> 03:48:40.200
 email went out i know it went through the through the manager's office and so i believe it's already

03:48:40.200 --> 03:48:46.120
 in the works to develop that page i think as i mentioned before with our our current system

03:48:46.120 --> 03:48:50.920
 and software that what we're running we do have some limitations but again that that will will

03:48:50.920 --> 03:48:55.480
 change hopefully by the end of the year once we get once we get up and running with the new software

03:48:55.480 --> 03:49:02.040
 and then start to be able to have these plans being being accessible online it's just it just

03:49:02.040 --> 03:49:06.840
 allows for for greater transparency as well as giving folks an idea of what's going on and

03:49:06.840 --> 03:49:11.000
 not having to call staff or or do multiple requests it's easier to just have that information

03:49:11.000 --> 03:49:16.120
 available to them and then follow up with questions as opposed to having um going back and forth

03:49:16.120 --> 03:49:21.640
 and so that that's sort of our our intent and um i know we'll get there and um but but that that is

03:49:21.640 --> 03:49:26.440
 in the works the um that additional that's awesome that's awesome i think it's going to save you and

03:49:26.440 --> 03:49:32.040
 steward and everybody else a lot of time um fielding questions because you'll already have those pre

03:49:32.040 --> 03:49:40.200
 prefab answers yeah thank you any other uh questions or things to update christopher

03:49:40.200 --> 03:49:49.160
 thank you i i was just uh curious richard if any of our city systems endpoints were hit by the solar

03:49:49.160 --> 03:49:57.800
 winds cyber attack i know some of the others were and counties were uh do you have any knowledge of

03:49:57.800 --> 03:50:03.560
 that or i'm not aware i can i can follow up with with our it and and and report back but i'm not

03:50:03.560 --> 03:50:14.360
 aware that that um there was okay cool thanks commissioner anderson just want to after the

03:50:14.360 --> 03:50:17.960
 meeting i wondered if richard could stick around for a minute because i have a personal question

03:50:17.960 --> 03:50:21.000
 to ask uh after after what this is certainly

03:50:21.000 --> 03:50:30.280
 can i stay around too mr anderson absolutely any other questions or concerns for the matrix

03:50:30.280 --> 03:50:39.720
 okay uh seeing none i will call the meeting to a close at 8 45 thank you everyone see you in a

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 in a couple of weeks.

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 - Bye.