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 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the planning and zoning work session

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 meeting for Wednesday, January 20 2021.

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 We don't have any public comments for the consent agenda item this evening so we can

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 hop right into work session reports.

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 The first one is item to a PZ 20 dash 010 listed on the agenda and it's to hold the

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 discussion regarding the policy to preserve cross timber upland habitats of 10 contiguous

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 acres or greater.

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 I'm not sure who's presenting on this.

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 Christie is pulling it up.

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 So good evening, commissioners, and tonight I will be giving you this summary of the cross

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 timers upland habitat.

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 To start us off I wanted to give you a short review of how our forested areas are identified

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 and given the designation of upland habitat.

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 And I want to point out that Ditten is unique among the local communities in maintaining

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 a predetermined map that was adopted by the city with the development code in 2002.

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 At the time the researchers created this map.

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 They consider features such as the forest canopy, topography, and soils and staff has

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 maintained this map since where the map is map amendments are approved through the ESA

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 field assessment.

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 ESA field assessment is a procedure outlined in the Ditten development code which calls

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 for a qualified personnel such as staff or a third party to confirm that the environmental

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 sensitive areas exist as it's shown on the map.

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 When we confirm that it exists as shown on the map or we confirm that the boundaries

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 are where it's found in the field, then we amend the map to reflect those field conditions

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 that were found at the time of the assessment.

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 For the upland habitat, that criteria for confirming the designation is that the forest

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 canopy is 10 contiguous acres or greater.

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 That the dominant species be either post oaks, a mixture of those post oaks with black jacks,

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 or a mixture of all of these species of post oaks, black jacks, and burroaks.

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 And that there is an understory vegetation that's amenable to the upland vegetation that

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 we would find in these upland habitats and that there is sandy loam soil.

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 When confirmed to exist, development is required to preserve a percentage of that upland habitat.

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 As you may know for the non-residential developments that is 30% to be preserved and for residential

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 lots, a residential development is 50%.

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 The council, they didn't require that those preserved areas that are preserved to be contiguous,

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 but rather left it as strongly encouraged because they recognized that there was many

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 variables that go into site design.

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 So that's the language remain at strongly encouraged to maintain some contiguousness

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 in the upland habitat.

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 And this infographic is something I have put together to help facilitate an understanding

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 of how to preserve that contiguousness in the upland habitat.

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 So the question for us was, where did this come from?

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 And regarding the history of this 10-acre minimum, the researcher, we staff researched

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 the available minutes, memos, and planner's notes that were in the archives and confirmed

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 that this concept was brought in early in the discussion when they were putting together

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 this new 2002 DDC.

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 Ecology researchers had provided a literature review of scientific articles where there

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 was a minimum of 10 acres was one of the several factors that were being considered to turn

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 a qualitative description into a quantitative description of what is a good habitat.

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 One of the questions that was being asked, for example, is how much land is needed for

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 animals to readily access variable resources?

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 And then those details seem to have permeated the policy discussion subsequently.

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 Along with those landscape ecologists, other researchers were influencing the discussion

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 with questions of how to blend the long-term ecological values with the short-term economic

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 decision-making, and then it seems that policymakers were setting a standard that is easy to understand

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 with the minimum acreage protection requirements that creates a consistency and an expectation

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 for the landowners.

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 And lastly, Commissioner Beck had requested more information on what other communities

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 might have on the books for the protection of upland habitats, and to our knowledge,

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 the town of Flower Mound is the only other community in the local DFW area that does

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 protect the habitat as a holistic ecosystem and specifically the habitats of these upland

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 habitats.

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 And they also, I might point out, have in their definition of what is an upland habitat

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 a minimum of 10 acres in size.

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 With that, I will stand for any questions.

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 Oh, yeah, we'll get to that one.

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 I'll pull this down.

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 I think Commissioner Beck had a question.

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 Yeah, I think, Kristi, I appreciate, I really like the infographic that made clear the sort

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 of definition of continuity that the city's using.

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 I emailed you this, but I'm mentioning here for completeness, and that is doing a little

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 bit of background research, and there's issues where it's completely dependent on whether

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 you're talking about edge boundary or other things that you know about because of your

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 role and background.

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 And so the kind of, the sustainability, the ability to fragment or not fragment an ecosystem,

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 the usefulness of a corridor in a larger parcel is completely dependent on the shape and space

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 And so this is why I was asking you for sort of, what was the citations at the time that

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 were used, because it feels like that the sort of simplistic 10-acre rule doesn't at

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 all match what I've been reading and teaching for the last several years.

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 I have admittedly, I haven't taught a lot of ecology classes, but enough.

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 So anyway, I'd really appreciate those citations when you get a chance.

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 I mean, I know this is just a work session, so like, you know, there's lots of things

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 But when you get a chance, because the shape in particular and sort of coreness, if you

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 will, the compactness are really, really important and sort of, I think going forward, this issue

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 of, you know, when can we call something fragmented to where it's unuseful for flora and fauna?

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 When can we call it fragmented to where it is still useful for flora and fauna because

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 it connects up, say, rose lawn and some other, you know, larger 10-acre parcels?

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 You know, if there's a little thread of land there, you know, we don't want to call that

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 small and fragmented because it's not doing anything when the reality is it's connecting

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 And so while I really appreciate this presentation, it honestly opened up as many questions as

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 So I'd appreciate maybe some more follow-up on that.

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 I just needed some time to…

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 It's not a rush.

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 Thank you for your time.

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 Is there any other questions for Christy?

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 Christy, thanks for the presentation.

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 We have another work session report, and it's to hold a discussion regarding native plant

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 material used in site design for development, and I imagine Christy is going to continue

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 So for the native plant selection, so there was more, there was a request for the native

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 plants.

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 There was a request for more information on how native plants are promoted by the Denton

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 Development Code and what are our policies and exceptions and the use of natives in the

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 residential and non-residential projects and for HOA lots and alternative ESA plans.

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 So I've pulled it all together in one matrix to help show this all in one slide.

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 And this shows you the different types of projects and the requirements or the way that

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 the policy is applied to promote the use of native plants and the adaptive plants that

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 are on the city's plant list.

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 And I might point out that in the environmentally sensitive areas that we do require that those

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 native plants be used and that we don't typically allow for adaptive plants, but those are options

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 for the development community to choose from for the other type of development projects.

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 And I also want to point out some of the benefits and challenges with the use of native plants,

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 including that when we use these native plants, there is an improved environment with the

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 water, air, soil, ecology, that we are promoting reduced resource needs and long-term that there

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 is a reduction in long-term costs.

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 However, when these developers are choosing for these native plants, there are some challenges

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 with that choice, including that it's still sometimes difficult to acquire some of these

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 Not all of them.

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 Many of them are readily available now, but some are still difficult to acquire or just

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 And that there's a need for a revision in maintenance plans, which comes with its own

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 challenges in finding a company, a maintenance company that can work with those native landscapes

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 that require a different maintenance plan.

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 And there's also the community acceptance, getting the development community used to

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 the idea of selecting from native plants.

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 And then the other thing I wanted to show you was this is a riparian recovery mix that

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 was applied to a project that was, this is an alternative ESA plan that was implemented

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 I took this picture in the spring of this year, and this was a, this was the riparian

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 recovery mix that you see often that is being used and, or in those plans that are being

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 brought to you by, especially by the, some of our consultants with Kimberly-Gorn engineering

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 And this is readily available by a local distributor and there are a couple of other local distributors

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 of these native plant seed mixes that we have found and we make available to that development

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 And with that, I'll stand for any questions on this one.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Christy, so it occurred to me that we could dovetail some of our interests here.

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 I know that like, again, for rose lawn and for some of the other developments, there's

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 been transplantation efforts, particularly coordinated through Clear Creek and where

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 some of these species are trying to be saved and moved to other locales and it's challenging

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 They don't like to be moved.

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 They like to grow naturally.

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 But I wonder if we couldn't incentivize developers to transplant as a way of mitigating loss

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 in some fashion and if we could explore that, that transplantation, you know, maybe there's

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 a reduced burden for development if they're willing to engage in transplantation rather

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 than clear cutting and replanting kind of avenues would be one thing that I thought.

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 native, one of the reasons I asked for this work session was, could we clarify code enforcement

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 You know, I know we have, you know, the wildflower rules, which are particular and allow us to,

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 we're trying to repair these parcels?

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 I'm not well versed in, to tell you the truth.

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 I, the second part, the second question I asked was it connected to the the wildflower

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 special exceptions for code enforcement, where you didn't have to, you didn't have to maintain

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 It is, there's a provision that allows for, because we're the monarch butterfly, so there

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 is the ability to do sort of the butterfly habitat or garden, but I think that would

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 fall under that same exception for wildflowers, but we can look into that to make sure, but

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 So, yeah, maybe when you're exploring that, and I don't know that it's a super high priority

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 and other sorts of ecosystems, if we can sort of expand the exception rules in the same

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 things that are not necessarily considered flowering plants, and I know you don't typically

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 mow a bioswale because it's typically watery, but nevertheless, if we could maybe chart

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 Great, Christy, thanks for being here and presenting this evening.

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 That brings us to just our regular agenda, and I think it is just as is straightforward,

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 Just go right through it?

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 So we'll start with the consent agenda item 3A FP 20-29.

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 Does anyone have any questions on this final plat?

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 Julie, it looks like we have a question for you.

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 Can you take a look at this razor plat?

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 I have a short presentation.

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 I can pull that up, or if I can just answer the questions?

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 Can I speak, Chair?

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 I just was confused by where the drainages are and how we're designing these final drainages,

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 Maybe we can discuss that.

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 I just don't want to flood out of storefront or something.

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 Sure.

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 So the site that is actually the subject of the plat is just these boundaries right here.

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 That floodplain is to the south of the site.

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 And they have worked with our engineering group to design that drainage plan to conform

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 to the code requirements and also satisfy any requirements for that development.

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 So yes, there is that drainage area to the south of the site.

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 However, the subject property is in this area.

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 Is that answer?

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 Well, I thought that corner crossed over right there.

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 Yes.

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 That little corner is in the 100-year floodplain.

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 And there's no development in this plat reading that that I can tell, right?

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 So we're not going to allow anything over these drainage easements or that chunk of

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 100-year floodplain.

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 You are exactly correct, sir.

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 Yes, the development of the site will be closer in this area.

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 That satisfies -- I just want to make sure that we're not having buildings on top of

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 100-year floodplains.

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 Absolutely.

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 Thank you.

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 Any other questions for Julie on this item?

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 Okay.

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 Seeing none, we'll progress.

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 I'm going to jump right quickly back up to item two, just the minutes from January 6th.

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 Is there any changes or comments on the minutes from January 6th?

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 Great, seeing none, we'll go to the items for individual consideration.

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 First one is item -- well, first and only one is item 4A, PP 20-31, and it is Sean Jacobson's

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 item.

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 Sean, with us this evening?

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 Yes, sir.

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 Fantastic.

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 Floor is yours when ready.

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 Thank you.

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 All right, and you should be seeing my screen and my presentation.

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 We got it.

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 All right.

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 Lovely.

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 So, there we go.

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 So yes, this is PP 20-31.

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 This is a preliminary plat of the Mayhill edition, and the staff is recommending denial

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 but does support the applicants or is comfortable with the applicant's request for an extension

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 to date certain, and I will be happy to take any questions you have.

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 Are there any questions for Sean on this item?

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 Commissioner Beck.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 So, as I recall from the backup, there was -- they were out of compliance for drainage,

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 stormwater, terrain gradients, canopy, ESAs.

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 I mean, they generally were sort of territorial and water drainage issues across this.

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 I know that one of our commenters commented about the lack of bike and pedestrian access

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 in this proposal, was that one of the reasons or did that currently also meet code?

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 So if I can address that for a moment, there was actually, I believe the root of that was

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 simply a labeling error which should have been shown on the plat as Stockbridge was

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 shown as Somerset.

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 So there actually is pedestrian and bike connectivity directly to the nearest road, Stockbridge,

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 which is to the south there, and of course that is one of the things that we would have

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 corrected prior to recommending approval of this plat.

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 So there is actually full pedestrian and bike connectivity to the neighborhood, and that

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 does enable connection to the Med Park station for residents.

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 But for the other sort of more ecological, if you will, reasons that the current plan

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 doesn't match compliance, is that correct?

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 Yes, there are some matters we're working on, primarily calculations and labeling, but

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 things that didn't need to be resolved.

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 So I guess that was my question.

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 Is it that the paperwork isn't in place or that they're not currently meeting criteria?

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 Well, there are things that simply need to be done accurately and legally before we can

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 approve it.

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 In some cases, it might be considered a matter of paperwork, but it's something that's of

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 absolute necessity.

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 For instance, having access to a drainage easement in case there was ever a problem

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 in the future.

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 I'm just making sure that those are shown correctly.

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 No, no, no.

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 I'm not second guessing you.

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 That kind of paperwork thing, that's generally, they have it or they don't and they're satisfying

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 requirements or not.

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 I was just curious if it was more in the realm of you could see their characteristics and

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 they were not in compliance, or you couldn't determine their characteristics because you

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 lacked sufficient reports and paperwork.

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 I believe the latter may be true of the drainage calculations.

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 There was some additional information that needed to be received in order to calculate

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 it.

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 But overall, most of the concerns were matters where I can see how they will be resolved.

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 Okay.

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 Next email.

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 Thank you.

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 Appreciate it.

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 Yes, sir.

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 Commissioner Ellis, I believe I saw your hand up.

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 Yeah, I was just confirming that.

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 Is it 217 that is the request for the extension?

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 Is there any other questions for Shawn on this item?

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 Great.

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 Thank you very much, Shawn.

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 Sir.

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 All right, that moves us into our three public hearing items for this evening, starting with

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 Shawn's item, actually, five AS 20 dash 0010.

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 Shawn, the floor is back to you when you're ready.

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 Thank you, sir.

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 Let me make sure I pull up that presentation here.

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 Okay.

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 Good evening, Mr. Chair and members of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

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 Again, I am Shawn Jacobson, Assistant Planner here to present item S2010, the 400 South

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 Elm Bar Use.

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 This is a specific use permit to permit a bar tavern or lounge use on approximately

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 .451 acres in the MN District.

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 The previous use on this site was a major automotive repair use, and the site was vacant

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 for approximately eight months before the applicant redeveloped the site and opened

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 the current use, indoor recreation use, axe throwing and billiards.

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 That opened on November 20th.

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 One of the things that patrons are permitted to do at this time is bring in alcohol to

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 consume on site, but this site does not currently operate a bar.

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 They are proposing to add a bar tavern or lounge use, and that does require the specific

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 use permit in the MN District.

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 You can see their site plan here and north is to the right.

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 This is an existing commercial building, and the applicant is not proposing to add anything

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 to the building.

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 The only changes proposed to the site itself are replacing some broken concrete with landscaping

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 and restriping the parking lot, adding some additional spaces.

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 They are limited in what they can do on the site because of the presence of the flood

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 point.

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 As I noted, there is a current, since November 20th, indoor recreation use, and this would

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 be the addition of a second use.

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 So again, we have our general approval criteria and our specific SUP criteria for approval

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 that we consider.

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 It's always important to look at our future land use map and then plan 2030.

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 This property actually has two future land use designations, downtown Denton and downtown

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 compatibility area.

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 That downtown Denton designation is designed to provide a mix of context-sensitive uses,

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 which include entertainment, commercial, residential, office, and then that compatibility area,

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 as we've discussed before, is to provide that area of where residential and commercial meet.

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 It includes commercial, but we want to see it be in a scale and form that's sensitive

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 to the surrounding built context.

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 The proposed use, along with the indoor recreation use, because they would of course be together,

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 that provides a new entertainment and commercial use in this area in an existing commercial

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 building.

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 This would be consistent with our Denton Plan 2030 goal of providing commercial on a scale

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 that fits the area.

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 It also meets our goals of developing along corridors, along that Elm Street corridor,

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 and strengthening existing commercial areas.

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 So keeping businesses in those buildings rather than having them be vacant.

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 This proposal also helps further the Denton Plan 2030 sound growth vision of downtown

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 Denton energized by new entertainment, supporting day and nighttime activity, and a true urban

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 lifestyle.

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 We always have to consider compatibility with the surrounding area.

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 As you can see, this is certainly a mixed-use area, and that South Elm corridor is a pattern

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 that already includes a number of bars, some you can see there, some farther up, as well

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 as restaurants that serve alcohol.

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 What is proposed would be in that existing single-story building that has been there for

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 decades.

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 The proposed bar use would support that new indoor recreation use, as I said, and occupying

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 an otherwise vacant building.

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 I'll touch on this more in a moment, but the site redevelopment has included removing the

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 vehicles that were stored in the rear as part of that major automotive repair use and which

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 were previously adjacent, just with no separation, to the residential, so it's helped to improve

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 that site.

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 This running property is similarly zoned and is mostly developed.

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 The addition of this use isn't expected to limit future redevelopment of the area.

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 And as you can see here, this is that rear yard prior to the redevelopment.

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 You have cars, whether employee cars or cars that are being repaired, which is right next

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 door to that.

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 Those are now gone.

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00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:36,600
 I just want to look at how potential negative impacts of this use would be mitigated.

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 Just on a general level, this would enable and help the staff of the business to carefully

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 monitor alcohol consumption.

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 Right now, folks can bring in beer or wine to drink, and of course, staff do everything

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 they can to monitor that, but being able to sell it would allow them to set careful minimums

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 and bring them under TABC supervision.

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 We've also provided and the applicant supports a condition of approval that alcohol and sale

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 and service would be limited to beer and wine, so we wouldn't be talking about any type of

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 liquor as part of this approval, and that was something that neighbors expressed a concern

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 about in the neighborhood meeting as well, they prefer just beer and wine.

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 In terms of visual impacts, the redevelopment, as you can see here, involved, as we discussed,

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 removing the vehicles from behind the building.

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 It also means we no longer have open bay doors.

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 Those have been covered over with sort of replicated barn doors, so you're not going

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 by and having vehicles being repaired on site in your neighborhood.

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 They've also replaced what was broken cement with a landscape area.

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 In terms of noise and traffic impacts, vehicles can only exit this site onto South Elm Street,

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 which of course, funnels them away from any of the adjacent residential, and the site

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 plan limits parking to that front lot.

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 The applicant has also supported a condition of approval that staff has recommended that

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 sale and consumption of alcohol be limited to the interior of the building only.

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 Also the dumpster will be maintained in the front yard rather than being moved to the

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 rear yard, which would have put it directly adjacent to the residential properties there.

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 In terms of public facilities, specifically reached out to emergency services because

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 there is another ax throwing venue in Denton, Ironwood Ax Throwing on Hickory Street, just

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 asked if they had any emergency service calls, that's been open since December 2019.

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 They've had no calls to that address, and they expressed no specific concerns about

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 adding the requested bar use to the venue.

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 In terms of transportation, as you can see here, weekday, their estimate is an average

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 of 53.58 daily trips on weekends, get about 123 average daily trips on Saturday, 36 on

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 Sunday.

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 They are fronting on a primary arterial and there was no TIA that was necessitated by

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 this number of trips.

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 Solid waste service can continue to be provided through the dumpster on site, water and wastewater

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 in place, new infrastructures needed.

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 Of course, it's always really important to look at the neighborhood response, we sent

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 out all of our standard notices, we did receive four responses in favor, you can see that

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 includes many of their properties directly adjacent to the property requesting the specific

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 use permit.

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 There was a neighborhood zoom meeting, two attendees came and they were those folks that

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 lived right next door to the north and south.

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 Their concerns, they expressed, were addressed by the restriction to indoor only service

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 and not having liquor.

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 They specifically said they did not oppose adding the bar use as it was proposed by the

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 applicant.

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 So taking all of these things into consideration, staff recommends approval with the following

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 conditions as it's consistent with Denton Plan 2030 meets the criteria for approval.

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 Those conditions are that the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages shall be limited to

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 the interior of the building and that alcohol, sale and service will be limited to beer and

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 wine and will not include hard liquor.

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 With that, I will take any questions you all have.

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 Any questions for Sean?

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00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,800
 This is just an education question from my ignorance.

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 I assume there's sort of a percent alcohol definition that's the actual threshold rather

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 than the kind of beverage.

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 So that would be something that would be set by the actual license that could be obtained

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 by the business based on the definition of wine or beer versus liquor.

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 I believe it's just based on the type of permit they'd be able to obtain.

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00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,920
 Thank you.

459
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 Hey Sean, can you tell me the kind of the context, the rationale behind selling it only

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 on the interior of the building is are there places in town, I mean, I'm thinking like

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 patios that's probably still under the roof line.

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 Is that included or maybe can you help me understand what that means and why it's a

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 condition?

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 So in this case, this would not include under a patio or in that backyard area.

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 The applicant felt that because due to the floodplain they can't put up any sort of fencing

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 between them and the neighbors in the back that it would not be a particularly neighborly

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 proposition to have activities out there at this time.

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 That might be something that could change in the future.

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 And the applicant was also taking into consideration just some fire code standards that could be

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 triggered based on the number of occupants and so they chose not to use that patio area

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 out front at this time.

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00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,120
 Gotcha.

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 Entirely within and I will say that was also something that was brought up in the neighborhood

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 meeting that the neighbors appreciated that they wouldn't have folks outside adjacent

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 to their residences.

476
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:09,040
 And then this is kind of tangential but the city has reworked a lot of that drainage in

477
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,480
 that kind of corridor.

478
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,160
 Is it expected that floodplain will persist?

479
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,000
 Maybe it's not relevant to this conversation but I am curious.

480
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,440
 We just redid all that drainage to I thought remove some of the floodplain designation.

481
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,920
 I know Access Bank wanted to build a parking lot and there's some other things kind of

482
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,280
 happening in the South Elm area.

483
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:34,440
 Is there any progress on changing that floodplain there?

484
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,240
 Did actually we were I was able to speak with Michael Smith for our floodplain administrator

485
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:44,560
 as part of this and there is certainly work ongoing that will result in that property

486
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:52,000
 eventually in two stages moving out of the floodplain but until the actual designation

487
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:59,240
 is addressed there's still under restriction about where they can put in place but there's

488
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:03,400
 definitely work ongoing and like I say it will be in that property it will be in two

489
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,960
 phases that it will come out of the floodplain at least based on the plans that I've seen.

490
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,960
 Gotcha.

491
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,960
 Okay.

492
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,960
 Thanks for that update.

493
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,960
 Commissioner Ellis.

494
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,960
 Thank you Chair.

495
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,540
 Sean can you give any details about the neighborhood meeting?

496
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:18,520
 How many people were there?

497
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,360
 Was there any direct opposition to the request?

498
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,360
 Certainly.

499
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:28,240
 There were two residents that were there and they were I believe their resident directly

500
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:33,640
 to the south who has a business and also lives there and then to the northwest.

501
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,740
 They had a number of questions but basically they expressed that their concerns were satisfied

502
00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:42,800
 but what they had heard and when I asked them directly they said they had no opposition

503
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,840
 to this request as described.

504
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,840
 Thank you.

505
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,840
 Any other questions for Sean?

506
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,840
 Richard?

507
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,600
 I was just going to have if Sean you can explain the neighbor directly to the west that might

508
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,520
 since we we haven't received anything from them it might help also put that in perspective.

509
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,520
 Certainly.

510
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:08,960
 The neighbor directly to the west is actually the owner of this property and is technically

511
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:16,120
 the signed the applicant is the person operating more but the owner of this property is actually

512
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:23,680
 had to sign off on this SUP being submitted so the support is understood to be there because

513
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,160
 it's the same property owner.

514
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,160
 Makes sense.

515
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,600
 Makes for that extra context.

516
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,560
 Any other questions for item 5A with Sean?

517
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,180
 Christian or Beck?

518
00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:39,680
 Thank you Chair.

519
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,280
 So I know Ironwood is the axe throwing is all inside.

520
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,420
 Is the axe throwing all inside on this one?

521
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:49,120
 Yes sir.

522
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:56,800
 Okay that okay that's it thank you.

523
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,740
 Any other questions?

524
00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:00,440
 Great.

525
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,840
 Thank you Sean for the presentation.

526
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,260
 Before we move on to item 5B I just want to let the record show that Commissioner Anderson

527
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:16,760
 has joined us and we are on item 5B as in Bravo Z20-0013 and I'll invite Julie Wyatt

528
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,760
 for presentation.

529
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:28,240
 Good evening let me pull up my presentation.

530
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:32,720
 Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the City of Denton and for this item

531
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,640
 I'm presenting Z20-0013 loves travel stop.

532
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,400
 So the request before you is to rezone the subject site outlined in yellow from general

533
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,440
 office and mixed use regional districts to highway corridor district.

534
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,840
 The property is developed as a loves travel stop.

535
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,560
 I mean the purpose is to facilitate the continued use and restoration of that existing travel

536
00:40:53,560 --> 00:41:00,920
 plaza after a text dot right of way acquisition that's going to be coming forward soon.

537
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,240
 So some background on the property before we talk about the zoning case.

538
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,480
 This property was actually the subject of a zoning request in 2015 that rezoned the

539
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,760
 property from RCCN to ECC to facilitate the development of the use.

540
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,760
 The use was developed in 2017 and 2018.

541
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:25,960
 At that time it was under the 2002 code and we didn't have a use that fully encapsulated

542
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,120
 the entire facility.

543
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,400
 Actually what we did under the 2002 code is we looked at the activities that were associated

544
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:40,120
 with the use retail sales drive through restaurant car wash those sorts of things and we looked

545
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:46,160
 to see if they were permitted and that's how the use was classified to capture those activities.

546
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,520
 So that that loves travel stop was constructed in 2019.

547
00:41:51,520 --> 00:42:01,440
 As you know we adopted the 2019 development code and within that that new code we had

548
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,560
 a new use.

549
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,200
 So instead of having all of those disparate uses and we now have one use that describes

550
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,720
 the entire site and that's travel plaza.

551
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:18,240
 So it includes all of those things like gas station parking rest stop other services to

552
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:22,200
 motors to motorists.

553
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,680
 With the 2019 code that the zoning for the site also transitioned to geo and MR districts

554
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,200
 for that that transition table which made this use non-conforming.

555
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,400
 So now it brings us to the present text dot has approached the property.

556
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,360
 They are going to be acquiring a strip of property along the frontage and that's going

557
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,700
 to be that's going to require the removal of some landscaping parking and also a portion

558
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:51,720
 of that fuel canopy and so in order to restore the site the property owner has purchased

559
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:57,000
 an additional four point seven acres just to the west of the site and will and is pursuing

560
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,800
 the rezoning in order to kind of restore that site.

561
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,400
 So now we'll get to this current request.

562
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,400
 So you see the current zoning map showing that combination of MR and geo districts and

563
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,600
 then the proposed zoning of that HC district in red.

564
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,460
 The criteria for approval are in subchapter two of the debt and development code and we'll

565
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:19,480
 kind of touch on those as we talk about the project.

566
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,600
 The site is in is in a business innovation feature land use designation that's intended

567
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:31,440
 for large tracts of land for employment parks and employment uses also supporting uses such

568
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,320
 as retail hotels and residential so that commercial piece.

569
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,780
 Given this site's location next to I-35 the HC district is consistent with the future

570
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:42,780
 land use map.

571
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:47,960
 It really was kind of made for this kind of location along a highway and it does allow

572
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,800
 for the development of both employment uses as well as those supporting commercial uses

573
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,760
 at those highway scales.

574
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,680
 Another thing we're going to touch on is significant changes to warrant the change with that implementation

575
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:09,400
 of the 2019 debt and development code the site did become nonconforming and so and then

576
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,440
 and as I talked about with that present condition they are going to need to make some changes

577
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,920
 to the site to accommodate that textile right of way acquisition so so really that is what's

578
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,760
 precipitating this zoning change.

579
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:31,000
 We looked at that impacts regarding the surrounding properties as I stated HC HC district is appropriate

580
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,000
 in this area.

581
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,680
 This is this is kind of at the intersection of I-35 as well as highway 77 to the east

582
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,440
 of the site.

583
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,040
 It's the area has a lot of undeveloped property but it also has a lot of transportation related

584
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,880
 uses so just north of the site there's a truck wash just due east to the site.

585
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:57,840
 There's another travel stop and as this area develops staff does anticipate that properties

586
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:04,440
 adjacent to I-35 will develop with those commercial unemployment uses that you typically find

587
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,680
 along highways and which are permitted in the HC district.

588
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:14,920
 And one other thing to note this is in a gateway area within the city and so HC does require

589
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,080
 those commercial design standards so we want to make sure that our gateways look nice and

590
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,720
 that they look that they're developed in a way that that we we expect commercial development

591
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,800
 to to to move forward.

592
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,400
 One other thing I want to touch on and that is public facilities.

593
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,880
 This isn't introducing a new use to this intersection it really is just maintaining that existing

594
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,080
 use at its current scale.

595
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:48,000
 There is adequate access to the property from I-35 no additional trips are anticipated.

596
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,360
 Barthold Road is is anticipated to be improved adjacent to the site in the next two to three

597
00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:03,000
 years I-35 will eventually expand north and from University and capture this site and

598
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:10,120
 as you can see on on your screen that access road will take in that the front area of that

599
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:16,720
 loves Barthold Road will will be expanded to three lanes each way with some turn lanes

600
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:22,360
 so those are those are transportation improvements that are expected in the future.

601
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,640
 And as I said because it's not a redevelopment of the site they'll just maintain their existing

602
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,960
 water and sewer lines.

603
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,960
 Public outreach was sent out we received one letter in favor and that is for the site just

604
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,720
 to the north of the subject property.

605
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:42,120
 Staff recommends the approval of the request we do anticipate it to go to the February

606
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,800
 16th City Council meeting and I'll be happy to stand for any questions.

607
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,600
 So any questions for Julie.

608
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,920
 Thanks Julie are they going to lose the car wash on the north side once they expand that

609
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,680
 roadway the new expansion that Barthold Road.

610
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:13,760
 Oh you know I don't I have not looked into that as far as the that property just north

611
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,760
 of Barthold.

612
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:24,360
 I haven't looked at that is terms of where the I-35 impact will potentially cause any

613
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:31,120
 requirements for that site so so if it does I'm sure it will be forthcoming soon but I'm

614
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,600
 not sure as of now.

615
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:38,160
 Gotcha thank you very much I just was this I'm sure when they were developing that loves

616
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,320
 did they not take in consideration that service road going that was going to go in I mean

617
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,200
 it seems like they're going to spend a lot of money to fix something if they would have

618
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,000
 just waited a few months or so you know they could have done it the right way the first

619
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,000
 time.

620
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:59,480
 You know I have I'm not exactly sure I wasn't involved in the project at that time but you

621
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,000
 know given the the continued expansion of I-35 I'm not sure if those plans had been

622
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,000
 drawn up at that time so I'm I you know we we do try to work with applicants to make

623
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,320
 sure that they're aware of future changes but you know I'm not sure if they were available

624
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,320
 at that time.

625
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,800
 No problem thank you very much.

626
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,960
 Any other questions for Julie hey Julie was this an imminent domain or they voluntarily

627
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,960
 sell this to TextDOT?

628
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,680
 I'm not sure typically we we do hear from property owners where TextDOT reaches out

629
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,880
 and they they they work with TextDOT to figure out the best way to to approach this I'm not

630
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,640
 sure how that's working out in this instance what sort of negotiations they've had with

631
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,240
 TextDOT thus far.

632
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:48,800
 To Commissioner Anderson's point it kind of frames my thought process around this more

633
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,120
 if they like voluntarily entered into redoing their entire project or if this is kind of

634
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:59,480
 a response to not having an option.

635
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,920
 We are there a representative for the applicant is supposed to be calling in tonight so he

636
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,000
 may be able to provide more information regarding that for you tonight.

637
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,800
 And the other question I had Julie and this is more of a global city question in terms

638
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:19,160
 of planning is we have another item on the same street coming up next and we think about

639
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:25,440
 that intersection I believe is is a deep dark circle on like the mobility plan you said

640
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:32,720
 they call it a gateway right so this one South I-35E and I think I-35W are these main entrances

641
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:39,200
 and maybe on 380 these are the main entrances in the city and it seems like we have planned

642
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:46,680
 for or resigned ourselves to a gateway part of the north just being a truck Mecca all

643
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:53,000
 things truck stop truck wash and I'm curious if if this is like a resignation of the city

644
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,560
 that this is what we want our gateway from Oklahoma to be or if I just don't know how

645
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:04,640
 the city views and maybe you can help inform me on how they planned or was the vision of

646
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,760
 what a gateway was supposed to look like with did it have aesthetics or is it just like

647
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,760
 there's gonna be a lot of people here let's just note it on a map I just love to know

648
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:20,120
 what a gateway is supposed to be if it has that designation so our didn't plan 2030 identified

649
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:26,960
 several areas and they globally called them focus areas so it would be and I'm referring

650
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,920
 to my dent plan right now centers corridors gateways and branding stations and then travel

651
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:42,400
 centers so so they did provide for these or looked at these areas and and and indicated

652
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:50,280
 those are areas that should be planned through small area plans in the future so as we are

653
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:57,160
 continuing to implement our dent and plan 2030 and update our twin dent and plan 2030

654
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:04,080
 we are you know we should be looking at these areas in terms of design and part of and part

655
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:09,640
 of the the intent of having those commercial design standards at these gateway areas is

656
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,080
 to ensure that they will be designed in a commercial way you know we look long and hard

657
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:20,240
 when somebody wants to come in with a specific zoning district to make sure it would be designed

658
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:26,080
 in accordance with with what we would deem to be commercial or office standards so that's

659
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:33,400
 kind of how we've looked at approached it thus far but in the future there may be additional

660
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,920
 small area plans that the city undertakes in order to look at specific standards for

661
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:46,120
 these these different focus areas I think that answer my question probably not to my

662
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:53,040
 full satisfaction but that's okay I I will just say I think Denton is an economically

663
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,400
 diverse interesting place between the colleges and Peterbilt and all what's happening in

664
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:07,080
 the industrial park and I mean we have a myriad of things to showcase and I certainly it's

665
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,600
 it's very well aware if you're driving up I-35E one of the first businesses to Denton

666
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,520
 is Buckeyes if you're driving up I-35W one of the last businesses before you get to Denton

667
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,760
 is Buckeyes if you're driving in from Gainesville down to Denton one of the first things you

668
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,560
 see when you crossing the borders is love's truck stop and I don't want Denton to be known

669
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,600
 as people who drive through our town as man they got a lot of gas and fueling stations

670
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:37,400
 when we have a very vast diversity of economy that I like to showcase to those just driving

671
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,160
 through Denton I think the project we approved a couple weeks ago behind Acme Brick gets

672
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,920
 us you know closer to showcasing those things and so I just think maybe we should get a

673
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,960
 small area plan in place for the northeastern part of Elm and 35 sooner rather than later

674
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:57,040
 so we can actually as a city start planning what we want that gateway and what we want

675
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:03,440
 our introduction to the city to be more than reacting to companies rightfully wanting to

676
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:09,240
 drive economic action in town I think this is great for our economy the next project

677
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:14,760
 seems to be economically positive but if if the idea is to have a small area plan for

678
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,640
 these centers then I would say let's go ahead and start that process especially since we

679
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:29,320
 have it seems like a little bit of an open quadrant at that intersection north of town

680
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,360
 Chris you're back in the thank you chair in the interest of discussion real briefly then

681
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:43,900
 what what would you envision I mean are you in you know envisioning you know I mean what

682
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:54,040
 would be your recommendation if you want if you were you know Lord Governor of the city

683
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,400
 I like where that was heading so off the cuff I just said we have a zone the future land

684
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,580
 use maps as business innovation in that area and so I would want business innovation however

685
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:08,440
 that looks like and I think when it was first pitched to me my understanding of what business

686
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:15,480
 innovation is was like more corporate campus type infrastructure large buildings I bring

687
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:22,400
 in a diversity of jobs keep residents from commuting out of Denton but house tops staying

688
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:29,800
 in Denton and so if I could wave a magic wand I would I would want like a corporate headquarters

689
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,720
 to to be competitive with with Frisco we were losing a ton of business campuses that are

690
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:42,680
 just you know buildings to other cities and I would love to win some of those and we have

691
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:50,200
 a designated spot in our city to build those and so I'm not saying that a loves truck stop

692
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,880
 is not an economic driver of our city I just don't know if I historically or contextually

693
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,760
 would define that as business innovation and I would love to attract I know we have a thriving

694
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,820
 ed tech market kind of downtown in our city there's there's industries that I think we

695
00:55:04,820 --> 00:55:08,840
 can we can more actively approach and lure in I'm not talking about tax abatement or

696
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:15,280
 anything else but I'm just talking about getting diversity into our town in the way that keeps

697
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:24,480
 our house tops in Denton for eating and working and living I think that's admirable and I'm

698
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,680
 I'm not pushing back at all the reason I asked my question chair was those are businesses

699
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:39,880
 there now and sort of to put a to put an Apple ask Google Oracle ask campus right there means

700
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:47,480
 we have to build north of it or south of it and and we we I mean I don't see a reason

701
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:57,200
 to to D travel Plaza the intersection you know unless that's actually what you're advocating

702
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:05,200
 is to is the eventual D truck detruckment of that intersection no no no I think that

703
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:11,080
 that truck intersection has been a lot of ways symbolic of the north side of town and

704
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,640
 I think it adds to the culture as you go into cram and things like that I certainly don't

705
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:21,520
 want to D truck the intersection but I'm saying I would like to showcase the diversity of

706
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,600
 our economy for for the sake of fuel who is driving through town or or thinking about

707
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,940
 moving to Denton that we have the ability to showcase on the biggest road in our in

708
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:41,280
 our town Christopher Cole lecture that area has been a truck Mecca for over 40 years so

709
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:50,200
 this is nothing new I mean this has been there since I was a little child all that so I mean

710
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:57,480
 it's a trucking area always has been a trucking area you know I mean we've got these manufacturers

711
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:05,200
 down Tetra Pak Peterbilt you got to have to have a trucking area I mean somewhere and

712
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:11,480
 it's been there for damn near over 45 years and I don't you know I'm not panicked about

713
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:20,480
 it you know I think it's it's expected that's where I would expect to go you know just because

714
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,720
 you know I mean there were more truck stops there back in the day you know that whole

715
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,580
 thing was all nothing but truck stops so I just wanted to throw that history out there

716
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:36,160
 so there's nothing new yeah Christopher I really appreciate that I'm not anti truck

717
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,640
 stop at all and and it's been there and I'd love to keep it there I'm not against this

718
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:48,480
 project either I just I guess my core fear as I look at the city is we have this area

719
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,700
 of business innovation if it just comes truck stops is that a deterrent for other companies

720
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:57,640
 coming in I don't know it wouldn't be for me necessarily I just if we have a lot of

721
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,760
 semis just parking there overnight and and cluttering the the kind of smaller roads on

722
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:08,760
 Elm right there is it a turn for expansion outside of the of the trucking industry or

723
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,520
 if didn't wants to be like known as like the truck capital of Texas then let's just own

724
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,440
 it I'm not trying to assess opinion on that rather just trying to figure out what business

725
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:24,280
 innovation is and what a gateway to the city is Christian Smith thank you not to belabor

726
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:29,000
 the point and the last from any other work session as we need to get to but I think just

727
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:34,040
 I would want to second the chairs recommendation maybe council if we can start maybe learn

728
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:39,000
 council staff we can start looking at a small area plan especially with that really truly

729
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:45,120
 being as 100 coal ranch down 35w begins to expand I mean that really is going to be the

730
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:50,080
 gateway for both east and west future Denton and so I think it might be important and I

731
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:55,320
 if you know to answer Commissioner Beck's point if if I had a magic wand for for Commissioner

732
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,600
 Rosella way if I you know a nice rest stop I mean I know it's still trucking but something

733
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,920
 that's a nice visitor center something that's that maybe even a park something that's that's

734
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,040
 there that that'd be welcoming to the travelers to stop down as you're at the loves they go

735
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,280
 across the street to a really nice city park something like that I mean there's a there's

736
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,400
 a number of different things we could do that would be that would be welcoming and inclusive

737
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:25,040
 so um yeah just an idea thank you Smith uh Commissioner Ellis thank you chair yeah and

738
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,800
 just to offer my two cents on that you know I had brought up with staff earlier the the

739
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,960
 mention of the word gateway and what that means and does staff take that into consideration

740
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,200
 when considering some of these requests and to chair's point and Commissioner Smith's

741
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,520
 point I mean you got to have a vision for what a gateway is right and a gateway certainly

742
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:49,320
 should be welcoming and if what we're putting in there are transient things like trucks

743
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,480
 and truck stops and things that kind of pass through a city that's not really welcoming

744
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,960
 um so we if we're going to designate something as a gateway and I believe this area we have

745
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:04,840
 um I know on a small area plan committee I was on we picked the gateways of the city

746
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:11,160
 um and if we are going to designate that we should have some kind of plan for them so

747
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:16,680
 that it makes decisions we make for the future easier if we know what we want there in future

748
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:24,720
 development thank you Commissioner Ellis Commissioner Smith I'm sorry and as as Commissioner Ellis

749
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,960
 was was talking there I mean even more so we have the the high school is going to be

750
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:34,160
 going in there we've seen more and more developments that are coming up 428 and along that north

751
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,960
 side of 288 there that we're probably gonna have some home home developments up that area

752
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,520
 at some point in time too so yeah I think I think even though this has nothing to do

753
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,280
 with the zoning request I think it it brings up an idea to us in the commission that we

754
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,720
 maybe need to point out the city now that a small area plan probably is a good time

755
01:00:52,720 --> 01:01:02,280
 for us start discussing this Christian back yeah I am actually I I take everyone's point

756
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:09,120
 that that's saying that I would like a better you know Oklahoma side uh Gainesville side

757
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:16,200
 gateway to Denton then then then maybe an industrial truck stop my my point to to chair

758
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,740
 earlier was simply that you know if we're going to have a small area plan if we want

759
01:01:20,740 --> 01:01:28,100
 to have a beautification plan and you don't think a a trucking center is compatible then

760
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:35,440
 you're eventually talking about the detruckment if I can use my own word uh that I coined

761
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:43,480
 10 minutes ago uh of that region if if if if trucking is incompatible with the vision

762
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:50,760
 then then we might as well do the hard math now until these businesses out you go um which

763
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:56,840
 I don't I don't know of a mechanism to do that but um other you know otherwise I would

764
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:02,680
 say take chair's point and and the other commissioner's point and and develop a small area plan just

765
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:09,940
 north of it or just south of it um but uh I'm not I'm not comfortable you know telling

766
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:16,320
 telling this this trucking area that you have to detruck so anyway I don't want to get in

767
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:22,040
 we're we're we're way off in the weeds here so well I appreciate the engagement of the

768
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,680
 discussion I can certainly add this I'll I'll be adding this to the matrix uh in a couple

769
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:31,260
 hours uh to revisit more in depth Richard do you have something to add the only thing

770
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:36,560
 I wanted to add this will be back in the very very near future this will be one of those

771
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,920
 items that we're going to discuss as part of the comp plan update and so we just had

772
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,600
 our sort of pre-kickoff meeting with with the consultant last week and so this will

773
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,160
 be in front of you sooner than later but I think on a much on a much larger scale as

774
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:55,920
 well and I think we need to look even a little broader in the past you know we've had these

775
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:03,440
 areas even um land use our our rural or rural areas um this area part part partly has that

776
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,840
 with that rural area zoning where we really didn't capture um how we wanted to see the

777
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:14,360
 city grow and so uh we we do we get into these reactionary um uh moments when when

778
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:19,720
 we get a project in uh and it kind of gives us a hard it's hard for us sometimes to analyze

779
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,880
 it because we don't have anything to analyze it with because we've always had these areas

780
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,920
 as the holding you know as the holding zone or the holding area well um it's no longer

781
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,720
 the holding area that this is where development is occurring and um I think as a city as we

782
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:39,600
 grow we just need to really keep that keep that focus on um how we designate these areas

783
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:45,400
 from a land use and and the appropriate zoning um and and again going back to the difference

784
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:52,040
 between il versus go why they both do allow similar uses um the go does put in in place

785
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:56,520
 those those design requirements um so that was one of the big the big components at least

786
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:01,520
 to this um to this proposal if that if that helps at all yeah thanks richard look forward

787
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:06,240
 to coming back and i just think to summarize uh kind of my point is i'd rather the city

788
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:12,640
 maintain a position of proactivity and control uh planning vision forecasting than uh being

789
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:18,240
 reactive all the time and then this area kind of highlights that for me uh julie thank you

790
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:27,480
 for the presentation you have one more uh that's item 5c uh it's pd 20-002a um and you

791
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:37,440
 have the floor when ready all right uh can everyone see my presentation yes okay so this

792
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,720
 is pd 20 0002 hershbach so we're staying in the same area that we were talking about

793
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:49,520
 earlier this request is a zoning change from general office and rural residential districts

794
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:55,240
 to a planned development district on 90 acres the purpose of the pd is to define a new use

795
01:04:55,240 --> 01:05:00,320
 fleet service provider and the use specific standards associated with it and provide a

796
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:11,320
 development plan for 38 acres um with 52 acres remaining for future development so the current

797
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:17,840
 zoning map shows the subject site here outlined in black you've got the go along the frontage

798
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:25,240
 of highway 77 and loop 288 with uh rural residential on the north side of the property um it would

799
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:36,040
 if approved transition to pd with go as the base zoning district um overall uh the this

800
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:42,920
 is the pd overall the phase one would be the proposed fleet service provider um and uh

801
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,800
 the definition is in your backup it's a business that supports the movement of goods um by

802
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:52,360
 means of truck transport and is not open to the general public primary activities would

803
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:58,960
 include driver training support services company administration uh customer support sales accessory

804
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:04,680
 uses would be fleet storage maintenance facilities fuel station and truck wash base the definition

805
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:10,720
 excludes warehousing storage or transfer of goods and this and um and i just reiterate

806
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,480
 this this use would not be open to the public so this is a little different than the use

807
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:20,240
 that we talked about earlier where that travel plaza is open um to the general motoring public

808
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:25,320
 this would be just for the employees of that business um it includes use specific standards

809
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:32,160
 for that for buffers um and then phase two because it's in a pd any development of that

810
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,560
 remaining acreage would require a major pd amendment and approval by the planning and

811
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,800
 zoning commission and city council through the dual public hearing process um just to

812
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:48,480
 give you a lay of the land as far as the the surrounding roadway network um it is the site

813
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:54,440
 the subject property we're talking about today is um is adjacent to highway 77 with that

814
01:06:54,440 --> 01:07:01,480
 specific phase one just fronting on 77 um the larger development also includes frontage

815
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:08,240
 along loop 288 and bonnie bray bonnie bray is designated as an arterial however in that

816
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:13,040
 area if you have driven it lately it is it is not designed to those arterial standards

817
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:20,740
 as of now um and it is near the i-35 corridor it's about 2900 feet from that intersection

818
01:07:20,740 --> 01:07:29,880
 of highway 77 and i-35 um the pd standards would follow the go standards um and um and

819
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,640
 including uh that phase one hey julie can interrupt real fast i think commissioner beck

820
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:43,000
 has a question sure you're on mute oh there you go yep sorry uh there we go uh yeah no

821
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:49,640
 this this actually this this slide is is just as good as the previous one um are we defining

822
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:57,800
 this use with this action or is fleet service provider previously defined it is not previously

823
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,760
 defined great question so um this that the intent of this pd is to kind of define that

824
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:10,000
 use and um and uh and seek approval of a development plan for that use uh the code doesn't really

825
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,760
 have a use that adequately captures um what they're proposing to do so if you recall in

826
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,240
 my previous presentation where that travel plaza used we used we looked at all of the

827
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:25,760
 different uses that would um go on those activities that would go on the on that site and we sort

828
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,600
 of just kind of all lumped them together um with the new code we created one use that

829
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:36,280
 captured everything um this pd kind of does the same thing it's creating a use that captures

830
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:42,000
 all of the activities um but also provides those limitations on it and that limitation

831
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,560
 being that it's not open to the general public and those additional buffer standards so that

832
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:58,040
 is the intent of this of this pd so um just just to clarify if any future if if uh if

833
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:04,560
 chair waves his magic wand and we become the trucking mecca of of north texas um this would

834
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:10,660
 be the standard we would use for um competitive fleet service provision in denton and other

835
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:17,020
 locations um this is a this is a use that we are considering as part of of our refinement

836
01:09:17,020 --> 01:09:25,240
 of our 2019 code to potentially adding in there um um for for other developments but

837
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:32,400
 as of now approval of this pd would not permit approval of this use in any other place but

838
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:39,480
 right here so we're not we're not so i'm confused now i'm not trying to be aggressive or anything

839
01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:43,640
 are we setting a standard for fleet service provision or are we not setting a standard

840
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:50,160
 for fleet service provision we are setting um as part of this um we are setting that

841
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:57,120
 definition kind of how we're we're approaching that definition but it is not generally applicable

842
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:03,200
 throughout the city at this time am i okay does that make all right richard may want

843
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:08,600
 to jump in here if i may help a little bit there's a there's a provision in the ddc um

844
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:16,680
 chapter uh sub chapter five uh 524 that allows um for the director to um classify or create

845
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,660
 new uses uh in in addition with that established use specific standards when when they first

846
01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:26,840
 approached us we were not comfortable just allowing this use um because it didn't quite

847
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:32,920
 fit um with with that travel plaza anymore we didn't want to allow these everywhere and

848
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,240
 so that's where it was sort of the creation of this new use um given this parcel it was

849
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:42,720
 through through a pd um that way it gives us some time to further examine it and then

850
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:47,320
 if we need to establish use specific standards or require an sup i think that'll be something

851
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:53,920
 that will be discussed later as we uh as we look at the refinement of the ddc over the

852
01:10:53,920 --> 01:11:01,300
 next couple months and so i guess the follow-up question is are these use standards um based

853
01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:07,720
 on the request of the developer and these are the kinds of uses that they would like

854
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:12,000
 to see because they're creating it and we're therefore setting our standard to match their

855
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:21,400
 creation or these based on sort of mpa based definitions of of fleet service provision

856
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:26,240
 that you know many cities kind of use again i'm you know i'm just trying to understand

857
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:32,720
 you know as as we develop new uses where where where are they coming from and and what and

858
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:39,600
 you know or are we creating them on the fly to match a development

859
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:44,520
 the challenges in the past these have been identified as a as a travel plaza we further

860
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:49,960
 define travel plaza to exclude these types of uses because they would be they could be

861
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:57,560
 permitted everywhere um part of the challenge is um you know new uses pop up all all the

862
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:03,420
 time and so for me it's let's let's just call it what it is um define it that way and that

863
01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:10,480
 way it's clear um and and avoid any vagueness or ambiguity um define the use and then as

864
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:15,720
 we add it you know add it into the ddc but then at that point it's up do we want to allow

865
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:22,520
 it as as a by right um with you specific standards or through a through an sup in in this particular

866
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,000
 instance it was related to this parcel while it had the go we're not saying that it should

867
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:34,280
 go um in go but it incorporated with this pd provided you know the the variety of of

868
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:40,520
 items that that are that julie will go through um we felt as though it it it could be appropriate

869
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:46,600
 at this location hey thanks guys i appreciate it a follow-up to that richard that maybe

870
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:53,720
 you can clarify if this and maybe commissioner beck was asking the same question i didn't

871
01:12:53,720 --> 01:13:01,640
 interpret the answer if if we added a use for fleet services to the table would it be

872
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:09,400
 permitted in go would it require an sup in go and then if it's the latter why are we

873
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:15,480
 using a pd and not an sup in geo i'm confused when i think about the chart of uses per zoning

874
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:22,920
 category is is the fleet service provider as you see it in in the chart the matrix would

875
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:30,200
 it fall under go and then if it does what letter would be in that cell would it be permitted

876
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:36,760
 sup what how do you envision this i think it'll be part of that that that broader policy

877
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,640
 discussion but but for me to me it would be more appropriate in in the industrial some of the

878
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:48,360
 whether it be heavy industrial um at that point we were we were not wanting to support a a zoning

879
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,400
 change to to that type of uh district i'm kind of going back before the the go while it does

880
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:59,320
 allow for some of those industrial just um uses uh it does require uh site design standards where

881
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:07,000
 the industrial districts do not and so um we were again it it is located across the street um

882
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:12,040
 looking at their current facility it doesn't seem to be too noxious of a use but i think that's one

883
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:20,680
 of those as we as we kind of um move down move down the ladder on on refining these um the ddc

884
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:25,160
 that'll be part of that overall discussion beginning at dcrc and where where should some

885
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:31,000
 of these new uses where does it make sense and where is it appropriate so if i could um repeat

886
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:36,520
 back what i heard just so i understood it it sounds like the city in general is okay with fleet

887
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:44,280
 services being at this location but they were hesitant on just rezoning it industrial because

888
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:51,400
 all uses under industrial would not necessarily be supported but this particular one the city would

889
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:57,800
 support in this general location did i understand that correctly in a so in association with the pd

890
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:03,240
 exactly where right correct refining the use to exactly the land use that the applicants wanting

891
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:07,000
 correct but not necessarily setting that as the standard we may want to include additional

892
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:12,840
 standards as we as we look at parcels that could or could not develop and so it may end up being

893
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:18,920
 being an sup um but again that i think that'll just take a a much larger discussion um yeah

894
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,800
 regardless of this vote tonight it sounds like there's a lot of discussion that needs to be

895
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:29,080
 happening around this commissioner cole you had your hand up before mr alice so richard you said

896
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:35,400
 basically they're just moving across the street expanding and moving across the street correct

897
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:43,480
 so that use is already across the street correct okay thank you commissioner alice

898
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:52,280
 thank you chair yeah so richard julie i so i guess what the pd is doing is trying to make this

899
01:15:52,280 --> 01:16:03,960
 use that we don't have defined fit into a geo zoning standard of building i have that correct

900
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,520
 yep as the basin i know julie has a number of a lot more slides that will probably

901
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:14,600
 answer some of those questions okay yeah i can't feel can't help but feel like it's a little bit

902
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:21,640
 of a manipulation of the code in a way um that i'm not sure that it is really a good thing for

903
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:26,920
 our city to be doing um but at any rate i know we have a lot more presentation to hear so um

904
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:36,360
 i'll stop talking so we can do that uh julie back to you all right so um so the the pd would

905
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:42,040
 have to follow all of geo development standards and dimensional standards and use standards

906
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:52,040
 and then the the fleet services use also um i've got on there that phase one um they they're meeting

907
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:57,320
 that tree preservation requirement um the landscaping they are providing those additional

908
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:06,680
 buffers along um the the uh the west north and east property lines um they are so are also providing

909
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:13,560
 um overall tree canopy that's that's actually exceeds geo um given the the trees that they're

910
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:21,560
 proposed to plant as well as the um the existing canopy it's about 41 of the lot um and uh and then

911
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:26,680
 any development on the site would have to any buildings would have to conform to um the ddc

912
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:31,480
 section 7.10.5 which is the which are those commercial development standards they're also

913
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:36,840
 proposing some open space recreation amenities um and we'll talk about those um the one change

914
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:45,480
 to the permitted uses um once again is inclusion with that uh fleet service provider so um so just

915
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:51,640
 wanted to talk about their site plan briefly they are proposing um first the area in green is their

916
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:57,720
 24 000 square foot administration and support building um it would include uh company offices

917
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:03,800
 conference rooms uh training rooms exercise space laundry facilities day rooms and changing rooms

918
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:10,760
 places for their drivers to use it includes as proposed in 19 000 square foot uh inspection

919
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:17,480
 and truck wash here a truck repair shop in this location and those more intense uses are located

920
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:23,400
 toward the rear of the property behind some existing trees and and parking lot screening

921
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:32,440
 they're also proposing a walking loop for their drivers in this location fenced dog park to be um

922
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:37,480
 to be in this general location long-term car storage as well as tractor trailer storage

923
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:44,840
 toward the rear of the property um and then 123 parking spaces um for for visitors um for that

924
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:50,920
 office space and then two access driveways to highway 77 so as we talked about earlier

925
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,000
 the site has frontage to highway 77 and that's where access would come from

926
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:02,840
 here is just a brief discussion of their landscape plan uh this this uh west property line would

927
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:09,000
 include a 30-foot landscape buffer with the north and east property lines showing a 20-foot landscape

928
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:14,840
 buffer within that area three ornamental trees would need to need to be planted every 25 linear

929
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:22,200
 feet uh 474 additional ornamental trees um i'm sorry which would include which would be for a

930
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:29,560
 total of 474 additional ornamental trees plus one large canopy tree every 30 linear feet we want to

931
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:35,480
 make sure that those buffers have a substantial amount of landscaping material in them so that

932
01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:41,480
 they screen those those more intense uses on to the rear of the site and those need to be at

933
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:47,000
 least 50 evergreen once again we want to make sure that they that there's adequate screening in the

934
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:53,800
 winter time as well two bioswales are proposed along the subject property their detention pond

935
01:19:53,800 --> 01:20:00,840
 is located here and there's a bioswale proposed here and then in this location the code defines

936
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,640
 a bioswale is a vegetated channel designed to transport store and allow for infiltration of

937
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:11,320
 water as a landscape feature to allow that water to be cleaned especially adjacent to some of that

938
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:16,520
 impervious area and once again i talked about that mature tree canopy there's also a substantial

939
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:22,200
 amount of tree preservation along um this area here it's kind of separating that admin building

940
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:28,840
 from um that that more maintenance area and then right-of-way screening in accordance with um the

941
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:35,400
 uh the dent in development code uh the criteria for approval is in sub chapter two um in summary

942
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:41,000
 the project is consistent with the general criteria um but we're going to kind of go we're

943
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,000
 going to touch on these as we move forward with the development with the um discussion of the

944
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,920
 property and then there is specific criteria for approval for pd's um so first of all we're going

945
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:56,440
 to talk about dent plan 2030 um i we're uh we're kind of still in in that business innovation

946
01:20:56,440 --> 01:21:01,880
 discussion um as stated before that's kind of intended for those large tracts of plan

947
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:07,400
 um for well-planned um larger scale office and employment uses with those supporting uses

948
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:13,240
 go and li are typically the districts that we look at i know we talked earlier about hc

949
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:20,600
 but but typically we see geo and li within business innovation they are proposing that

950
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:26,200
 base zoning of geo which is consistent with the future land use map but as we look at the

951
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:33,000
 differences between geo and li we we really gravitate toward geo on these more visible

952
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:39,400
 corridors because it does come with those commercial and office development standards

953
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:46,280
 as well as that minimum tree canopy of 30 overall just so make sure that our corridors

954
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,960
 are developed with those higher development standards

955
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:58,520
 and then i want to talk about the overall goals with the dent plan 2030 so it also brings in element

956
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:04,040
 six and that's our mobility element and our mobility element talks about freight transportation

957
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:10,520
 is a key economic component of the region it provides a statistic that 98 percent of the u.s

958
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,920
 mainland population can be reached from that i-35 corridor and when you think about

959
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:23,640
 denton's location um on the uh on the north side of the metro area along that i-35 corridor

960
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:31,720
 you can you can reach you can go north and hit i-40 or i-70 and and and and highways to the north

961
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:38,440
 really reaching a lot of the united states from from denton there's a goal m2

962
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:43,080
 and that we want to enhance denton's economy by supporting the city's freight network

963
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:48,920
 but we want to be careful about where we place these that these that freight routes and and these

964
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:54,200
 types of uses should be separated from our smaller scale walkable areas of their city that more fine

965
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:59,560
 grain development and this proposal is consistent with element six because it provides for that

966
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:05,400
 freight for freight drivers and that employment use but it is on that fringe it is on the outskirts

967
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:11,320
 um to uh with direct access to a primary primary arterial and that i-35 corridor

968
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:18,280
 and so it would provide that access with that um with that limited disruption to our more dense areas

969
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:25,000
 we also looked at impacts to the surrounding property and we separated that we looked at

970
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,360
 current development and then we also looked at future development so first let me talk about

971
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:33,560
 current development um as we sort of talked about this general area the existing developments along

972
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:40,600
 i-35 and highway 77 um really do um support and complement our transportation and freight

973
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:46,920
 activities we have we have across the street we have the that existing hershbach um location

974
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:53,720
 that they are proposing to transfer to this site we've got logistics and fleet services in addition

975
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:59,640
 on the south side we've got the travel plazas at the intersection of 35 and highway 77 and truck

976
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:05,960
 wash in that general area we've also got commercial development along i-35 and office development um to

977
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:09,960
 the north of the subject property we've got some rural residential and then we've got and to the

978
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,680
 south we've got some future residential and so we and then we have a lot of undeveloped property

979
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:21,240
 in in the area so um so before we get to the future development i just want to show you some

980
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:26,920
 site photos um and i've i've moved my pictures around so my star doesn't quite match where it

981
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:32,520
 should but the subject site is generally in this area you can kind of see that landmark of of of

982
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:41,240
 those tree area um and here is um from the north looking south toward highway 77 and loop 288 and

983
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:45,800
 and it is pretty undeveloped um i know there's a lot going on south of the subject property but

984
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:52,120
 we've here you can kind of see where those travel uses are and here's kind of some pictures of their

985
01:24:52,120 --> 01:25:03,640
 current facility along highway 77 and then this is looking to the east from from the i-35 corridor

986
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:08,520
 and once again you can kind of see those transportation uses with that that undeveloped

987
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:14,360
 area surrounding the subject property so now we want to talk about because we've kind of seen

988
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:21,560
 that there's a lot of undeveloped area what the what the future development will is may look like

989
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:27,560
 so to the west and northwest of the site you've got geo district so that suggests that future

990
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:32,760
 development will be consistent with the proposed permitted uses within that base zoning district

991
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:39,960
 and that development scale so we do anticipate more compatible uses as you move toward i-35

992
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:47,320
 southwest of the site we have pd 142 in this location um i know you can't see it but y'all

993
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:53,080
 may be familiar this is that commercial center that stonehill center here um i'm sorry that is

994
01:25:53,080 --> 01:26:00,920
 down to the south but we do have we do have pd 142 which anticipates um uh more uh commercial or

995
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:07,800
 maybe light industrial office uses um within that pd right here um to the north of the site we've

996
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:13,000
 got our district that future with the future land use designation that's consistent with the

997
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:18,840
 subject property um the the site is currently or that area to the north of the site is currently

998
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:23,960
 used for agricultural purposes but current zoning generally permits single family community or

999
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:28,440
 agricultural uses that's why that buffer coming in is really important because we want to make

1000
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:34,280
 sure that any visual impacts for those parking areas would be reduced to the south as a subject

1001
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:39,960
 site you've got that rcc uh i'm sorry that mr district which is sort of that regional commercial

1002
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:47,000
 district and then you've got some public facilities with university uses um and then i want to look um

1003
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:53,400
 just i discussed briefly the hills of denton there's a master plan community just to the east of the

1004
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:58,760
 subject property um it's not developed yet but it does have a concept plan associated with that

1005
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:06,680
 master plan community on the subject property is here outlined in blue and those areas adjacent

1006
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:14,680
 to bonnie bray here as well as loot 288 indicate or or permit office and commercial uses and those

1007
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:21,320
 are intended for retail restaurant those commercial uses as well as office and some light industrial

1008
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:27,880
 uses so the proposed geo district would be consistent with that develop type of development

1009
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:34,760
 um provides greater building building design amenities and connectivity so generally the

1010
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:39,560
 development must be consistent with the geo standards and that would be for that especially

1011
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:47,320
 for that future phase two more specific to the fleet service provider they are looking to provide

1012
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:53,960
 those additional buffers to those adjacent undeveloped properties providing additional tree

1013
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:59,880
 canopy in excess of what geo requires it's it's actually more consistent with what we see in maybe

1014
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:05,640
 our mn district and that they're proposing with the new and preserved canopy about 41 percent

1015
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:12,280
 and this would be an increase of existing canopy currently there's about 220 000 square feet of

1016
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:17,640
 canopy on the site give or take and this would be this would increase that overall canopy so it

1017
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:24,520
 really meets our helps further our goals for increasing the city's overall tree canopy and

1018
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:29,240
 they're also providing open space recreation amenities for employees and that's that dog park

1019
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:38,120
 as well as the walking areas um non-residential uses are they an appropriate area location and

1020
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:43,880
 planning um so commercial and uh and appointment uses permitted within the pd are appropriate for

1021
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:49,000
 the area given the surrounding commercial or development pattern as well as that zoning pattern

1022
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:57,320
 the provoke the proposed use provides a variety of uses to support the employees so it does

1023
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:02,840
 support that that business the development of the site does require that commercial design and

1024
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:07,880
 landscaping standards and as i mentioned before those elements of the site that are a little more

1025
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:14,920
 intense are set back from that right of way about 490 feet and are screened from those adjacent

1026
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:22,280
 properties to mitigate any visual impacts for those for those more intense uses the there the

1027
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:28,520
 nearest fire station is off of Windsor in this location and the use is consistent with the

1028
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:33,480
 surrounding area is not expected to generate a significant increase in crime or nuisance issues

1029
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,440
 water wastewater they will have to extend both water and sewer to the site

1030
01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:47,240
 and that water will have to be looped in accordance with our our engineering requirements there is an

1031
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:54,920
 existing wastewater lift station in in this location that will have to be replaced to increase

1032
01:29:54,920 --> 01:30:00,520
 capacity and accommodate the proposed development the cost to construct any in this improvement

1033
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,920
 will and any other improvements will be the responsibility of the developer

1034
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:14,040
 so this is because this use is not open to the public it's only estimated to generate about 297

1035
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:20,760
 trips per day that's about 197 for that office use and then about 100 truck trips so this doesn't

1036
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:28,040
 meet the thresholds for a tia sidewalks will be required along highway 77 as i mentioned there's

1037
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:36,360
 those two access points along highway 77 no access to bonnie bray or loop 288 however if you're

1038
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:43,400
 familiar with the access roads on loop 288 in this location there is a a ramp 277 near the subject

1039
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:50,280
 site and highway 77 as i mentioned does connect to the i-35 corridor just northeast of the subject

1040
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:55,800
 property i'm sorry northwest of the subject property so we have we did send out public

1041
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:01,720
 notification we have received and and these these numbers may not be accurate because i

1042
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:08,520
 believe we've received some additional responses as during the meeting but we have received about

1043
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:16,200
 seven notices in opposition about eight in favor because of the opposition letters that we have

1044
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:23,960
 received it is a 20 22 opposition which will require a super majority so six out of seven

1045
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:31,960
 of council members must vote to approve or would have to vote in it to approve the project for it

1046
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:38,440
 to be to for it to take effect so staff does recommend approval of the request as it complies

1047
01:31:38,440 --> 01:31:44,360
 with the criteria for approval and the city council public hearing is tentatively scheduled

1048
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:49,480
 for february 16th and i'll be happy to answer any questions the applicant is here tonight and

1049
01:31:49,480 --> 01:31:57,720
 we'll be able to answer questions um during the regular meeting mr beck thank you chair uh julie

1050
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:15,160
 can you go to slide 22 sure um okay yeah so um that has the elements of the uh the draft mobility

1051
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:26,200
 plan on it and as i recall um uh i believe brian john was telling us we're we're expanding 288 to

1052
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:35,960
 a a loop around the city and we're adding a secondary or secondary arterial approximately

1053
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:45,800
 on the north side of the of the subject property um is and so i guess my question it relates to how

1054
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:53,800
 how is the developer and or the city taking those 288 expansion and secondary arterial

1055
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,880
 expansion into account when they're developing this property

1056
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:05,720
 well the mobile there is a revision to the mobility plan that is currently under review right now um

1057
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:10,760
 yes loop 288 will eventually extend so you can kind of see where it ends right now

1058
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:17,560
 and it will eventually extend and go all the way to the west through the west side of the city

1059
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:26,120
 and then eventually tag up i believe it vintage on the south side i think that project is is still a

1060
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:33,320
 number of years away in addition currently right now there's not any arterials that are affecting

1061
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:41,960
 this subject site except for bonnie bray um on on the for that undeveloped site um so right now it

1062
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:48,440
 is it is not anticipated anticipated to affect the subject property of course with any new mobility

1063
01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:57,000
 plan changes or um or development of that remaining 52 acres uh would would have to take into account

1064
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:03,800
 any of those mobile mobility changes i guess my question more went to if there was expansion of 288

1065
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:12,120
 um on the south uh eating into the frontage of the space too and if there was expansion of

1066
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:19,960
 the arterial to the north eating into the frontage of that arterial or easement of that arterial in

1067
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:27,720
 this case would is there sufficient buffer on those north and south locations that that the

1068
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:35,800
 project could develop even with anticipated expansion sure i'm gonna i'm gonna go let me

1069
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:42,120
 pull here this might be a better one so this the phase one um does not have any frontage along

1070
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:50,760
 loop 288 right now there aren't any plans to expand loop 288 however when this phase develops

1071
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:57,320
 there may be right-of-way dedication um to allow for frontage roads to be developed on loop 288 so

1072
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:03,720
 there may be right-of-way dedication for that phase two um not only for loop 288 but also for

1073
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:09,400
 bonnie bray and that will just kind of depend on that on any mobility changes and and those

1074
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:15,800
 requirements once those do develop um at this time there are no proposed expansions for highway 77

1075
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,440
 they will have to they will have to install a sidewalk on highway 77 in accordance with our

1076
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:26,280
 requirements but it is not anticipated to negatively affect that phase one

1077
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:35,800
 thank you sure commissioner smith thank you chair um julia they're going to be doing a presentation

1078
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:41,480
 the applicants will be doing a presentation during uh public correct yes sir okay this primarily and

1079
01:35:41,480 --> 01:35:45,160
 if the if the applicants listening in are watching and just wanting to know what they're going to do

1080
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:51,320
 with the site that they're going to be vacating uh if it's just going to be an empty old fleet

1081
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:55,080
 service site and they're going to sell it does somebody else give you more fleet service and

1082
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:59,080
 we're going to have a bunch of fleet service in that area or what the intent would be with the

1083
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,240
 the site they're vacating so thanks

1084
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,760
 thank you commissioner smith any other questions for julie

1085
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:16,680
 all right fantastic um that concludes our work session agenda items for this meeting

1086
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:23,480
 we will reconvene at 6 34 regular meeting uh here on zoom so we will see you in 18 minutes thank you

1087
01:36:23,480 --> 01:36:32,520
 good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the planning and zoning commission regular

1088
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:39,960
 meeting for wednesday january 20th 2021 i'll call this meeting to order at 6 31 seeing that we do

1089
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:44,840
 have a quorum please let the record show that commissioner prunetta is absent this evening

1090
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:52,840
 the first item of business is uh to uh provide a pledge of allegiance to the u.s and texas flag

1091
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:56,680
 commissioners you can feel free to unmute yourself if you'd like to join along

1092
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:05,160
 i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which

1093
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:11,160
 it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice

1094
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:23,320
 honor the texas flag i pledge allegiance to the texas one state under god one and indivisible

1095
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:28,840
 thank you the next item of business is to consider our minutes from january 6th

1096
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:40,440
 commissioner smith make a motion to approve and commissioner alice second we have a first and a

1097
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:46,840
 second for approval any discussion we'll call a vote be a roll call uh starting with commissioner

1098
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:55,160
 smith aye commissioner alice aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson

1099
01:37:55,160 --> 01:38:03,640
 aye commissioner cole aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero next item uh for

1100
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:10,520
 consideration is the consent agenda we just have one item 3a fp 20-0029 commissioner smith make a

1101
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:17,320
 motion to approve i christopher anderson a second we have a first and a second for approval any

1102
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:22,600
 discussion scene nine i call for a vote via roll call starting the commissioner smith

1103
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:30,840
 commissioner alice aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner cole

1104
01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:40,840
 aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero next item for business is item 4a pp 20-0031

1105
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:46,120
 i'll invite sean jacobson for presentation the floor is yours sean when ready

1106
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:54,600
 thank you mr chair pulling up my presentation now

1107
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:06,600
 so

1108
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:19,800
 okay good evening mr chair and members of the commission presenting preliminary plot 2031

1109
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:27,400
 the preliminary plot of the mayhill edition staff is recommending denial of this request at this

1110
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:34,440
 time as it does not meet health requirements as outlined in exhibit two the applicant is requesting

1111
01:39:34,440 --> 01:39:41,000
 an extension to a date certain of february 17th and staff does not oppose this request

1112
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:51,880
 with that i will take any questions christopher beck thank you chair uh sean can you reiterate what we

1113
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:58,920
 talked about at work session with vis-a-vis the pedestrian and mobility access issues with this

1114
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:07,400
 property certainly there was a question raised about whether pedestrian access had been provided

1115
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:14,840
 from this property on to stockbridge the street leading to the south which has the connection to

1116
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:21,640
 the med park station and in fact it does there is currently a labeling issue on the flatten of course

1117
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:26,440
 we are recommending denial and that would be one thing that would be fixed when that labeling

1118
01:40:26,440 --> 01:40:32,440
 issue is fixed it'll be clear that pedestrian access is provided from this site directly to

1119
01:40:32,440 --> 01:40:38,920
 the pedestrian network leading to the med park station thank you sean and and i just like to say

1120
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:46,440
 in general i know we're likely to to vote for an extension uh but does seem like there's a lot of

1121
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:53,480
 work here um a lot of a lot of elements that staff caught that that caught my eye too and i i

1122
01:40:53,480 --> 01:41:00,760
 encourage the developers to um that they've got some homework to do at least for this commissioner

1123
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,600
 anyway thank you

1124
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:14,360
 is there any other questions for this item okay chair will certainly hear a motion commissioner

1125
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:19,880
 smith make a motion to approve an extension to date certain of february 17 commissioner beck

1126
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:26,040
 i'll second that we have first and a second to approve a 30-day extension to a date certain of

1127
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:34,760
 february 17th 2021 any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call starting with

1128
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:42,440
 commissioner smith all right commissioner ellis aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson

1129
01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:48,600
 aye commissioner cole aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero

1130
01:41:48,600 --> 01:42:01,960
 uh that next uh agenda item is item 5a this is the start of our public hearings

1131
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:10,360
 item 5a is s 20-0010 this item is to be presented by sean jacobson the floor is yours

1132
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:22,920
 thank you pull up my presentation

1133
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:31,800
 all right good evening again mr chair and members of the planning and zoning commission

1134
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:38,920
 my name is sean jacobson assistant planner presenting s 20-0010 the 400 south elm bar use

1135
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:46,360
 this is a specific use permit request for a bar tavern or lounge use on approximately

1136
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:54,120
 0.451 acres in the mn district the previous use of this site was a major automotive repair use

1137
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:59,800
 and the site was vacant for approximately eight months after that business closed at which time

1138
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:05,080
 in november 20 the applicant opened the site after redeveloping it with an indoor recreation

1139
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:11,400
 use specifically axe throwing and billiards one of the other things permitted here is that

1140
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:19,080
 patrons can bring in alcohol to consume but it is not currently permitted to actually serve alcohol

1141
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:24,200
 on the site and so in order to add that bar tavern lounge use in order to be able to serve alcohol

1142
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:31,480
 the applicant is requesting that specific use permit you can see here the site plan north

1143
01:43:31,480 --> 01:43:38,360
 is to the right this is an existing commercial building and no additions are proposed in terms

1144
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:43,640
 of building minimal site changes are proposed partly because the floodplain does not allow

1145
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:50,680
 significant changes or any structures within it there are 18 parking spaces and one change

1146
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:54,840
 of the applicant was able to make was to replace an area of broken up concrete with additional

1147
01:43:54,840 --> 01:44:01,160
 landscaping as you know we have our general approval criteria as well as our specific

1148
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:07,800
 sup approval criteria to continue to consider as we're as you're deciding whether to approve this

1149
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:12,920
 specific use permit one of the most important things we consider is our comprehensive plan and

1150
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:19,480
 the future land use map this site is designated with two future land use designations downtown

1151
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:27,160
 denton and downtown compatibility area the downtown denton designation that's to provide for a mix of

1152
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:31,640
 context sensitive uses so that can include entertainment commercial residential office

1153
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:38,680
 but designed in a way that fits the area and downtown compatibility area provides that kind

1154
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:45,880
 of a meeting point between downtown residential and commercial areas and again the goal there is

1155
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,560
 where there's commercial that it's in a scale and form that's sensitive to the surrounding built

1156
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:56,120
 context in this case the bar and tavern and lounge use would be combining with the existing indoor

1157
01:44:56,120 --> 01:45:02,120
 recreation use to provide a new entertainment commercial use in an existing commercial building

1158
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:07,320
 so something that's been there but bringing in that new use this use would be consistent with

1159
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:11,560
 the goal of providing commercial on a scale that fits the area because we're not changing the

1160
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:17,400
 existing building it's been there for a long time it also meets our denton plan 2030 goals of corridor

1161
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:23,960
 development so it's along that south elm corridor as well as strengthening commercial areas by

1162
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:29,640
 bringing in new businesses to baking buildings keeping those going lastly this use would also

1163
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:35,800
 help further denton plan 2030's sound growth vision of downtown denton that is energized

1164
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:40,760
 by a new entertainment which supports day and nighttime activity in a true urban lifestyle

1165
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:46,280
 we'll still need to look at compatibility with the surrounding area as you can see this is truly

1166
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:52,760
 a mixed use area as both commercial and residential in the south elm street corridor in particular has

1167
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:58,840
 a pattern of development that includes both bars and restaurants that serve alcohol this proposed

1168
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:04,280
 bar tavern lounge use as i said would support that new indoor recreation use and occupying

1169
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:09,480
 otherwise vacant building additionally and i'll talk a little bit more about this in a minute

1170
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:15,240
 but the site redevelopment for these new uses that's included removing vehicles from the rear

1171
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:20,040
 of the yard that were there as part of the major automotive repair use and that actually helps

1172
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:25,320
 improve the compatibility of this site with the area surrounding property is similarly zoned and

1173
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:31,400
 it's mostly developed so this specific use if it's permitted not be expected to limit future

1174
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:36,600
 redevelopment in the area as you can see here it's where those vehicles used to be under the old use

1175
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:41,880
 used to be under the old use and they are no longer adjacent to that home just need to look

1176
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:49,880
 at mitigating potential negative impacts just in general this being able to control the sale and

1177
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:55,720
 service of alcohol with this use enables the staff of the business to carefully monitor consumption

1178
01:46:55,720 --> 01:47:01,800
 and it also applies texas alcohol beverage commission supervision to the business we're also

1179
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:07,480
 recommending and the applicant has agreed to a condition of approval that alcohol sale and

1180
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:13,160
 service would be limited to beer and wine would not include hard liquor distilled spirits in terms

1181
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:18,760
 of mitigating potential visual impacts and the redevelopment of the site actually helped that as

1182
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:23,800
 you can see besides the removal of the vehicles behind the building those bay doors that used to

1183
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:28,840
 be there have been removed been replaced with full barn doors so you don't have open bay doors you

1184
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:33,560
 don't have vehicle repair on site adjacent to neighboring residential and facing out onto the

1185
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:40,040
 street as well as a replacement that broken cement with a new landscape area in terms of mitigating

1186
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:45,800
 noise and traffic impacts as you can see there vehicles can only exit on the south elm street

1187
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:51,080
 which as we know is one way which means they're funneled away to the south from the existing

1188
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:55,640
 residential to the east and north parking as well as limited to the front lots you won't have people

1189
01:47:55,640 --> 01:48:01,720
 pulling out directly adjacent to folks houses and staff is also recommending and the applicant has

1190
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:05,480
 agreed to a condition of approval that the sale and consumption of alcohol would be limited to the

1191
01:48:05,480 --> 01:48:11,160
 interior of the building so a lot of the potential for that noise impact would be mitigated in that

1192
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:16,120
 way and in terms of refuse area the dumpster would be maintained in the front yard rather than being

1193
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:22,680
 moved to the rear where it would have been adjacent to residential it was public facilities spoke

1194
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:27,400
 specifically with emergency services because there is another ax throwing venue in denton

1195
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:33,320
 on hickory street and it's they confirmed that in the time it's been open since december 2019

1196
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:37,880
 they've had zero calls for service to that location they expressed no specific concerns

1197
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:44,200
 about adding proposed bar use to this property in terms of transportation impacts it's expected to

1198
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:53,480
 average about 53 trips a day on weekdays on saturdays about 123 sundays about 36 at south

1199
01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:58,200
 elm street as a primary arterial this didn't require this wasn't the level of traffic impact

1200
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:04,280
 that required a traffic impact analysis solid waste service could be provided due to dumpster

1201
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:09,960
 already on site water and wastewater in place and of course we need to consider the surrounding

1202
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:15,880
 neighborhoods so we sent out all the standard notices and signs we received four letters in

1203
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:22,680
 favor as you can see there there was a neighborhood zoom meeting which was attended by two neighbors

1204
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:31,000
 the concerns they expressed were in as as they said addressed by the limitations to indoor only

1205
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:37,480
 service and not allowing liquor so limiting that to beer and wine and when asked directly they

1206
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:45,160
 expressed no opposition to the bar use as proposed i do also want to note that as you can see there's

1207
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:50,360
 a residential use immediately to the west of this property there's no response shown there

1208
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:56,600
 that's in part because the same landowner owns the subject property and that adjacent residential

1209
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:02,040
 property and signed off on this application as well may not have submitted specific approval but

1210
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:09,480
 they're actually party to this request so with that staff is recommending approval with the

1211
01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:13,960
 following conditions since this use meets our criteria for approval and is consistent with

1212
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:18,600
 fit and plan 2030 those conditions are that the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages shall

1213
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:22,520
 be limited to the interior of the building and then alcohol sale and service will be limited

1214
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:27,400
 to beer and wine will not include hard liquor that'll stand for any questions and i know the

1215
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:33,400
 applicant is also on the line and he has a presentation prepared as well great thank you

1216
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:37,000
 shawn any questions for staff before we turn it over for applicant presentation

1217
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:43,800
 okay if the applicant is on we'd love to see the presentation

1218
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:52,280
 and as they're kind of loading up once the applicants are ready we

1219
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,560
 would ask for your name and address for the record

1220
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:01,560
 so

1221
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:17,080
 mike are you there

1222
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:21,560
 well

1223
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:29,560
 so

1224
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:36,520
 said that the applicant may not be on the call

1225
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:43,480
 my apologies mr chair i'm not seeing the applicant on here

1226
01:51:43,480 --> 01:51:49,720
 that is totally fine uh in the interim i don't think i opened the public hearing so i probably

1227
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:55,560
 should do that now um so let the public hearing open i might be closing it soon um

1228
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:00,920
 shawn do you know if they're wanting to make a presentation and they just weren't here should

1229
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:06,200
 we try to get in touch with them are they okay proceeding i want to be respectful to i think

1230
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:19,080
 yeah i think he he may have misunderstood uh the call in time but uh i think he'll be fine if

1231
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:22,120
 we proceed as well okay um

1232
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:28,840
 all right so we don't have anyone calling on this so i'll go ahead and close the public hearing

1233
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:33,240
 um and then we can have a motion put on the table and then the discussion around it

1234
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:38,280
 commissioner smith make a motion to approve the staff recommendations great we have a first

1235
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:44,040
 commissioner anderson i second the motion we have a first and a second for approval is there any

1236
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:50,760
 discussion around this item seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call starting with

1237
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:59,800
 commissioner ellis aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner cole aye

1238
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:09,640
 commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero that brings us to our

1239
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:18,200
 next item for discussion is item 5b z20-0013 this item will be presented by julie wyatt

1240
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:23,560
 and i will open the public hearing julie whenever you're ready uh the floor is yours

1241
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:37,560
 good evening just a moment i'll get that presentation pulled up

1242
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:55,560
 so

1243
01:53:55,560 --> 01:54:10,840
 almost there all right here we go sorry about the delay

1244
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:19,960
 okay this request before you is z20-0013 loves travel stop

1245
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:26,600
 um the request is a rezoning from general office and mixed use regional districts to highway

1246
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:32,120
 corridor district for the subject property outlined there in yellow the site is developed

1247
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:36,440
 as loves travel stop and the purpose is to facilitate the continued use and restoration

1248
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:42,440
 of that existing travel plaza after a text up right away uh acquisition that is forthcoming

1249
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:50,040
 some background on the site uh in 2015 they pursued a rezoning request from rcc into ecc

1250
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:56,360
 to facilitate the existing use um at that time we didn't have a clearly defined use for a travel

1251
01:54:56,360 --> 01:55:01,400
 plaza we sort of just looked at all of the activities on site um and and applied those

1252
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:08,120
 to that um zoning and that and that development to capture those activities um so uh so they

1253
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:16,680
 constructed the site in uh 2017 and 2018 in 2019 we adopted the uh the 2019 ddc and with that we

1254
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:23,000
 actually captured all of those activities so we created that travel plaza use um that was more

1255
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:29,480
 clearly defined and we also transitioned the zoning on the subject property um to that geo

1256
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:36,520
 and mr districts as part of that new use and transition that use was made non-conforming

1257
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:43,720
 um that brings us to the present uh text dot is acquiring a strip of property along the frontage

1258
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:48,760
 of the site um and that will require some removal of landscaping parking and a portion of the fuel

1259
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:55,960
 canopy in order to restore the site um the the property owner has purchased 4.7 acres um uh

1260
01:55:55,960 --> 01:56:01,640
 budding the western property line and they're pursuing the rezoning for the entire site

1261
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:08,920
 so the current zoning map you i show here is um a light blue is that's the geo and then we've

1262
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:17,240
 got mr surrounding and they are proposing to rezone this uh this corner to hc the criteria

1263
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:21,080
 for approval for rezoning cases is in sub chapter 2 of the denton development code

1264
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:27,320
 and we'll talk about these as we talk more about the project the site has a future land use

1265
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:32,680
 designation per denton plan 2030 of business innovation this is intended for kind of employment

1266
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:39,080
 uses large tracts of land that have office parks and employment parks but it also allows for

1267
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:45,560
 supporting uses such as retail hotels and residential i'm given the location of the site adjacent to

1268
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:52,120
 to the i-35 corridor hc is consistent with that future land use map because it does provide that

1269
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:59,720
 supporting um commercial component to that business innovation um and and then furthermore just

1270
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:05,400
 generally for the permitted uses of hd hc district it allows for the development of both employment

1271
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:11,400
 and supporting commercial uses at that highway scale so it is consistent with that future land

1272
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:17,640
 use designation um another criterion is significant changes to warrant the change

1273
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:24,440
 implementation of the 2019 ddc as i mentioned did cause the site to become non-conforming

1274
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:29,000
 and the proposed rezoning would just correct that issue allow the property owner to make

1275
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:33,320
 changes to the property which result from the right-of-way acquisition and you can see just

1276
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:37,880
 generally that area where i um text dot will acquire their outlined in blue

1277
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:46,440
 minimizes adverse impacts on surrounding property this is a highway corridor and hc was sort of

1278
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:52,840
 developed for this type of area and this type of use and it is appropriate in this area so the

1279
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:57,640
 the surrounding development includes a truck wash to the north there's a travel plaza just

1280
01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:03,480
 due east of the subject site there's also future office to the north and there's other transportation

1281
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:11,080
 related uses along highway 77 so the proposed use or the existing use is consistent with that

1282
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:15,880
 surrounding development pattern as the area develops staff does anticipate the properties

1283
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:21,400
 along i-35 will develop consistently with what's out there now in terms of that commercial and

1284
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:30,360
 employment uses to you to use that access that that easy access onto i-35 as well as the visibility

1285
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:36,520
 and hc does require commercial design standards because this is a visible corridor we want to

1286
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:43,960
 make sure it's designed in a commercial way and so hc does does require that public facilities

1287
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:49,640
 and services available to serve the property this is an existing use and they don't intend to

1288
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:55,160
 to increase the intensity of the use so no additional trips would be generated by the

1289
01:58:55,160 --> 01:59:02,920
 proposal however there is adequate access to i-35 and just to let you know some transportation

1290
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:09,080
 improvements in the area barthold road is anticipated to be rebuilt in the next two to

1291
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:14,600
 three years and that's a part of this widening project that tex dot has for i-35 you can kind

1292
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:22,200
 of see that area in purple and how that affects that subject site the and then here's that barthold

1293
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:27,400
 road it will be straightened out and additional capacity will be added and the water and wastewater

1294
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:36,520
 will remain a notification was sent out we received one letter in response and that was

1295
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:41,880
 in favor of the request and that's shown here right here in green and that is that truck wash

1296
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:46,840
 just to the north of the site so based upon on the criteria for approval staff recommends approval

1297
01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:51,640
 of the request um this is anticipated to go to council on february 16th and i'll be happy to

1298
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:55,960
 answer any questions the applicant was supposed to be calling in tonight i don't know if we've

1299
01:59:55,960 --> 02:00:02,280
 had any technical technical difficulties but i believe he is on the phone to answer any questions

1300
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:09,400
 great thank you very much is there any questions for julie or for the applicant regarding this

1301
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:17,480
 project okay great uh julie thank you for the presentation

1302
02:00:17,480 --> 02:00:25,960
 we do not have anyone um wishing to speak um any citizens i i certainly want to provide the

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02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:30,280
 applicant a chance to speak they would like we have no questions for you right now but

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02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:34,200
 the applicant's on and would like to say something please feel free to do so

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02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:53,480
 all right well wait maybe they're on mute

1306
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:58,440
 i'll give them a couple more minutes

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02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:07,560
 hello can you hear me i can if you could just state your name and address we'd love to hear

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02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:13,640
 from you hey this is jeremy reese wishapol engineering group uh address is 4420 jackson street

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02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:19,240
 mariana florida uh three two four four eight and uh we're the engineers of the project i basically

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02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:24,280
 just wanted to call in to answer any questions you guys had um it seems like there's really no

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02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:29,480
 questions or anything um so i mean it i don't really have anything to add to what julie had

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02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:35,560
 presented so i think we're all we're good to go with everything you guys are well mr reese mr

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02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:40,280
 reese i appreciate you at least being available i don't see that we have any questions right now

1314
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:45,560
 um so again appreciate you uh making yourself available but no questions as of right now

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02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:49,800
 okay uh with that i'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing

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02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:53,880
 and turn it for a motion and then discussion commissioner beck

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02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:59,960
 i make a motion to approve as described by staff we have a first for approval

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02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:07,480
 commissioner smith i'll second we have a first and a second for approval any discussion on this item

1319
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:14,120
 seeing none i'll call for a vote uh via roll call starting with commissioner ellis

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02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:20,840
 aye commissioner beck aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner cole

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02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:28,840
 commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries six zero congratulations

1322
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:40,040
 the next item for our agenda is 5c pd 20-0002a this is also presented by julie wyatt and i'll

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02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:45,160
 invite her for presentation and i will open the public hearing all right let me pull out my

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02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:58,040
 presentation all right this item is pd 20002 hershbach so the request before you is a zoning

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02:02:58,040 --> 02:03:03,240
 change from general office and rural residential to plan development on 90 acres the subject side

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02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:11,480
 is outlined here in yellow it is on the north side of town adjacent to highway 77 and loop 288

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02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:19,160
 bonnie bray makes up its eastern property line the purpose of the pd is to define the

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02:03:19,160 --> 02:03:25,320
 use for for the subject site and that is fleet service provider as well as use specific standards

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02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:33,560
 the the the and the additionally the pd would provide a development plan for 38 acres so a

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02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:39,560
 development for that fleet service provider use with 52 acres remaining for future development

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02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:46,680
 so a phase two development so the current map shows the subject property here outlined in black

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02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:53,640
 it does have go along the frontage of highway 77 and loop 288 with rural residential

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02:03:54,520 --> 02:04:01,240
 on the north side of the tract they are proposing a plan development pd with a geobase zoning

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02:04:01,240 --> 02:04:09,000
 designation so first we want to talk or look at the overall plan for the pd it is proposed to be

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02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:14,520
 developed in two phases the phase one would be that fleet service provider the definition

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02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:19,480
 associated with the proposed use is a business which supports the movement of goods by by means

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02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:25,560
 of truck transport and is not open to the general public primary activities include driver training

1338
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:32,120
 support services company administration and and customer support and sales accessory uses include

1339
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:38,200
 fleet storage maintenance facilities major or minor vehicle repair fueling station and truck

1340
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:45,160
 wash bays this definition excludes the warehousing storage and transfer of goods it also includes use

1341
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:50,680
 specific standards particularly related to buffer requirements which we'll talk about as we talk

1342
02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:56,440
 about the site plan phase two any development of phase two will require a major plan development

1343
02:04:56,440 --> 02:05:02,360
 amendment it would have to conform to the minimum requirements in geo but prior to the development

1344
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:08,600
 of that 52 acres it would require approval from city council through the dual public hearing

1345
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:14,040
 process so it would come back before you again just to look at some mobility in the area as i

1346
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:20,440
 mentioned the high the height is adjacent to highway 77 it does have frontage along 77 for

1347
02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:28,120
 phase one the entire site so phase two includes also frontage along loop 288 and bonnie bray bonnie

1348
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:37,320
 bray is an arterial however it is not designed to those standards at this time loop 288 is

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02:05:37,320 --> 02:05:44,600
 considered a highway and highway 77 is an arterial it is about 2,900 feet from the intersection of

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02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:52,760
 highway 77 and i-35 the the backup material and the next couple of slides just discuss those pd

1351
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:59,720
 standards and they really just conform to those geo uses use in terms of permitted uses and

1352
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:08,840
 development standards phase one generally generally exceeds those geo standards including

1353
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:16,040
 the minimum open space that buffer requirement and that is related to that particular use

1354
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:22,600
 it is proposed to have a 30-foot buffer along the west property line and then 20-foot buffers along

1355
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:30,280
 the north and east property lines and that is in excess of what the code would require it's also

1356
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:37,720
 proposing additional tree canopy approximately 535,000 square feet of mature of new mature tree

1357
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:45,080
 canopy which is proposed and that's in addition to the to the 154,000 square feet of of preserved

1358
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:51,720
 tree canopy and then they're also proposing open space requirement or open space recreation

1359
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:57,640
 amenities such as a walking trail in a dog park the the difference in permitted uses from geo

1360
02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:04,280
 and the plan development is the addition of that fleet service provider in the use specific standards

1361
02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:12,600
 so we'll take a little bit we'll take a look at their site plan they are proposing an administration

1362
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:19,240
 building in this general area that will include facilities for offices conference and training

1363
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:24,360
 rooms exercise space laundry facilities day rooms and changing rooms and those are for those

1364
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:31,640
 those those transportation employees of the Hirschbach company as I stated it wouldn't

1365
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:38,760
 be open to the public a 19,000 square foot truck inspection and truck wash in this location that's

1366
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:45,160
 about 490 feet from that right of way so the site is laid out to sort of push those more intense

1367
02:07:45,160 --> 02:07:53,240
 uses toward the rear of the site away from that highway 77 corridor there are two access points

1368
02:07:53,240 --> 02:08:00,200
 along highway 77 that is where the site gets its access they're proposing a truck repair shop in

1369
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:07,240
 this location and then a truck tractor trailer storage in the rear of the site as well as long

1370
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:17,560
 term car storage and visitor parking for that office use they're also proposing a a walking

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02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:27,080
 trail along the drainage area and and a dog park we also want to just touch briefly on that

1372
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:32,840
 landscape plan here's where you can see those locations of the buffers so you can see outlined

1373
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:38,600
 in green the 30-foot buffer is proposed for this location and then the 20-foot buffers to the north

1374
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:44,840
 and the east of the subject site those buffers have to be planted according to the use specific

1375
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:51,560
 standards with three ornamental trees every 25 linear feet so that's a total of 474 additional

1376
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:59,400
 ornamental trees plus one large tree every 30 linear feet minimum forage caliber and that is a

1377
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:05,800
 total of 132 additional large canopy trees also wanted to point out they are proposing a fence

1378
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:13,480
 along that property boundary a six-foot fence to to additionally aid in screening they're proposing

1379
02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:19,960
 a bioswale in this location and in this location that is a per our code a vegetated channel

1380
02:09:19,960 --> 02:09:25,400
 designed to transport store and allow infiltration of water as a landscape feature and those are

1381
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:34,760
 important and near near impervious areas to to accommodate for that runoff and and as i mentioned

1382
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:41,800
 they are proposing additional mature tree canopy with plantings and large preserved areas you can

1383
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:48,600
 see that preserved area here sort of separating that administration use from those those more

1384
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:55,800
 intense uses toward the rear of the site the criteria for approval are in sub chapter two and

1385
02:09:55,800 --> 02:10:00,840
 and we have general criteria approval and per staff's analysis it does meet the criteria for

1386
02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:06,680
 the general criteria for approval but we will hit on that as we talk about the project and there is

1387
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:12,520
 specific criteria for approval for plan developments so first we want to talk about the plan about den

1388
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:17,480
 plan 2030 the future land use designation is business innovation as i mentioned in the last

1389
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:23,560
 presentation is intended for large tracts of land that are for a larger scale office and

1390
02:10:23,560 --> 02:10:31,400
 employment parks what with those supporting uses typically we see geo and li to support

1391
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:37,160
 business innovation those those uses in those districts are kind of our employment uses with

1392
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:45,000
 some commercial uses permitted as well they're proposing a base zoning of geo and and we feel

1393
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:51,400
 like that is consistent with that future land use given the given the permitted uses additionally

1394
02:10:51,400 --> 02:10:58,200
 geo does require commercial and office development standards since this is on one of arterial road

1395
02:10:58,200 --> 02:11:03,800
 ways we want to make sure it's developed in in a way that's appropriate given that location and so

1396
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:10,120
 those those higher standard development standards are are are important in this area

1397
02:11:11,480 --> 02:11:15,800
 additionally want to talk about element six with the dentin plan and that's our mobility element

1398
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:23,000
 within that within element six it does discuss freight and it discuss freight freight as a key

1399
02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:28,840
 economic component in the region region and one statistic it provides is that 98 percent of the

1400
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:35,560
 mainland opposite population can be reached from that i-35 corridor since dentin is sort of at the

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02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:43,080
 top of the metro area with i-35 running through it it does sort of lend itself to that that freight

1402
02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:51,080
 use in terms of that economic component m2 one of those goals within element six um does state

1403
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:57,240
 that we should enhance dentin's economic dentin's economy by supporting the city's freight network

1404
02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:02,680
 but we do need to be careful about where it goes freight routes should be separated from our smaller

1405
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:08,200
 scale and walkable areas of the city that you know given the the size of the trucks we want to make

1406
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:14,760
 sure that the that that it's not in our our high pedestrian areas the proposal is consistent with

1407
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:21,080
 with this element because it does provide that support for those freight services but it is

1408
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:27,880
 along that outer edge of the city with direct access to those arterial network so it provides

1409
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:35,320
 that um that that access but but limited disruption to those denser areas of the city

1410
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:42,440
 we also looked at impacts to the surrounding property and we looked at it from two aspects

1411
02:12:42,440 --> 02:12:47,880
 first the current development what's out there now and then later we'll discuss what what future

1412
02:12:47,880 --> 02:12:54,920
 development may bring so currently when we look at the surrounding properties we see that this

1413
02:12:54,920 --> 02:13:01,800
 this corridor this i-35 and highway 77 corridor does have a lot of transportation related

1414
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:10,920
 uses we've got travel plazas along the i-35 and highway 77 intersection there's south is a subject

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02:13:10,920 --> 02:13:18,120
 property the the proposed um a developer of this site actually has an existing facility

1416
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:22,520
 i'm in that location that they would be moving to this side if it were approved and there is truck

1417
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:29,800
 repair logistics and fleet services across highway 77 from this site there's also a truck wash along

1418
02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:37,240
 35 35 has additionally office so employment uses as well as commercial uses to the north and south

1419
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:42,360
 of the site there's future residential development to the south of the subject property there's rural

1420
02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:46,520
 residential and there's a lot of undeveloped property which we'll talk about there's also a

1421
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:53,160
 university area just to the southeast of the subject property on the proposal would not

1422
02:13:53,160 --> 02:13:57,960
 introduce new activities so as you can see based upon the definition of fleet services and what is

1423
02:13:57,960 --> 02:14:04,520
 around there the proposal would not that those uses would complement what's already existing in

1424
02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:10,520
 the area and and furthermore development of phase two would have to follow those geo standards and

1425
02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:15,560
 would require approval from city council after coming before the planning and zoning commission

1426
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:22,040
 so there's additional scrutiny on on that development um just some sites photos of the property

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02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:28,760
 this is um so this vantage point is north looking toward the south here's highway 77 and loop to um

1428
02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:35,880
 288 you can see those existing transportation uses um just across that the street and and the

1429
02:14:35,880 --> 02:14:40,680
 undeveloped property surrounding the subject site um just to give you an idea of what their existing

1430
02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:47,480
 facility looks like here are two two images from google earth for their subject property along

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02:14:47,480 --> 02:14:56,440
 highway 77 now and then here's another vantage looking from i-35 toward the east and you can see

1432
02:14:56,440 --> 02:15:05,560
 the existing development as well as the surrounding property so because there is so much undeveloped

1433
02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:11,400
 property we want to make sure that we look at how this this proposal would affect future

1434
02:15:11,400 --> 02:15:17,400
 development so first of all we look to the west and northwest um the proposal does have consistent

1435
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:22,520
 zoning with the west and northwest so we anticipate that that property will develop in a manner

1436
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:29,720
 with uh consistent with the subject site including proposed permitted uses in development scale

1437
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:37,000
 southwest of the subject property we've got pd 142 here that is intended to be developed with

1438
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:42,040
 commercial office light industrial and multifamily uses so that would be consistent with the proposed

1439
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:48,600
 plan development in terms of that geo-based zoning district um north of the subject property um that

1440
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:54,360
 does have that rr district that's one of our holding um designations when a property is annexed

1441
02:15:54,360 --> 02:16:00,760
 into the city it gets that rr designation until it gets a permanent zoning um that side is being used

1442
02:16:00,760 --> 02:16:06,920
 for agricultural purposes under the current zoning um it does permit single-family community or

1443
02:16:06,920 --> 02:16:12,680
 agricultural uses it does have a future land use designation consistent with the subject site

1444
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:20,120
 so the comprehensive plan um anticipates or or contemplates a development consistent with that

1445
02:16:20,120 --> 02:16:26,520
 that business innovation future land use designation but it does have it does have that

1446
02:16:26,520 --> 02:16:33,000
 agricultural use now so we want to make sure that we we treat that that property boundary

1447
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:38,760
 in a way that would be sensitive to that surrounding use so it does include this that's

1448
02:16:38,760 --> 02:16:45,240
 where that landscape buffer comes in with that fencing as well as the landscaping around the

1449
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:49,960
 subject property just to reduce those reduce those potential visual impacts of that parking

1450
02:16:49,960 --> 02:16:55,640
 in the rear of the site and one part one place we haven't talked about is east of the subject

1451
02:16:55,640 --> 02:17:00,920
 property that is actually part of a master plan community within the city it is the hills of denton

1452
02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:09,080
 it's a mixed uh mixed use development it does um have uh commercial and office uses along bonnie

1453
02:17:09,080 --> 02:17:17,080
 bray and um and loop 288 in this location this is that red and pink area um and it it um the permitted

1454
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:23,720
 uses in that area um allow for a variety of commercial and office in sunlight industrial uses

1455
02:17:25,960 --> 02:17:30,280
 provides greater building design amenities and connectivity so generally the development

1456
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:36,280
 must be consistent with those geo standards specifically however that fleet service provider

1457
02:17:36,280 --> 02:17:40,040
 provides those additional buffers that is in excess of what the code would require

1458
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:50,040
 additional uh mature canopy so about 41 percent of that lot when those trees are have have matured

1459
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:55,800
 would be covered in entry canopy and that's an increase of that existing canopy currently

1460
02:17:55,800 --> 02:18:01,000
 there's about 220 000 square feet of canopy so it would be an increase um and it does provide

1461
02:18:01,000 --> 02:18:05,480
 those open space recreation amenities for employees that walking trail in the dog park

1462
02:18:05,480 --> 02:18:13,320
 appropriate area location and planning for the site so um the commercial uses and appointment

1463
02:18:13,320 --> 02:18:19,000
 uses permitted within the proposed pd are appropriate for the area and that is not only

1464
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:25,400
 given that geo base zoning district but also the um the uh the proposed fleet service provider

1465
02:18:25,400 --> 02:18:29,480
 use given the agglomeration of those transportation issues in the surrounding area

1466
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:37,000
 and that uh that proposed use would provide uh provide for a variety of um activities to

1467
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:42,040
 support the employees of that company the development of the site would would require

1468
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:47,960
 that commercial design and landscaping standards so we will make sure that those um that uh that uh

1469
02:18:49,160 --> 02:18:55,560
 any development along that corridor is designed well and um and then as i mentioned those elements

1470
02:18:55,560 --> 02:19:00,920
 of the site that are a little more intense those um the the repair in the the truck wash those are

1471
02:19:00,920 --> 02:19:08,040
 set back off of highway 77 to minimize their their visual impacts about 450 feet additionally

1472
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:13,160
 you've got that buffer to screen from those adjacent properties um there is a fire station

1473
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:19,000
 within the eight minute or less response time it is at windsor and bonnie bray um and the use is

1474
02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:23,880
 consistent with the surrounding area so we don't anticipate it would generate a significant increase

1475
02:19:23,880 --> 02:19:31,000
 in crime or nuisance issues um they will have to extend water and sewer to the site um and um as

1476
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:37,320
 for sewer there is an existing lift station um and this general area that will have to be upgraded

1477
02:19:37,880 --> 02:19:45,080
 for that capacity um the cost to construct that upgrade will be the responsibility of the developer

1478
02:19:45,080 --> 02:19:51,800
 and then the street and and transportation network surrounding them so

1479
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:59,640
 the estimated trip generation is about 297 trips per day per our engineering highway 77

1480
02:19:59,640 --> 02:20:06,120
 can accommodate those trips that excuse me that includes about 197 trips for the office and then

1481
02:20:06,120 --> 02:20:13,560
 100 truck trips this doesn't meet the thresholds for the tia however um sidewalks will be required

1482
02:20:13,560 --> 02:20:21,400
 along highway 77 the site the phase one does have frontage along highway 77 so that improvement will

1483
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:26,360
 be required um we we talked about in the work session i just want to highlight again any

1484
02:20:26,360 --> 02:20:31,880
 development of phase two will have to go through an engineering review and any right-of-way dedication

1485
02:20:31,880 --> 02:20:37,800
 or perimeter and street improvements will be reviewed and required at that time um there is

1486
02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:45,560
 no access to bonnie bray or loop 288 from this site um but the loop 288 entrance and exit ramps

1487
02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:52,040
 do provide access to 77 and then highway 77 does provide that connectivity to i-35

1488
02:20:53,240 --> 02:21:02,440
 um we have sent out notification um a uh and we have received um several responses in opposition

1489
02:21:02,440 --> 02:21:07,800
 they're still coming via email but um as of my last accounting it was seven

1490
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:15,000
 and that does account for 22 percent of the surrounding property area so it will require

1491
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:22,120
 a super majority at city council to approve the request um we've also received um eight responses

1492
02:21:22,120 --> 02:21:30,120
 in favor of the request um the applicant um did uh did send out notifications for a neighborhood

1493
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:35,560
 meeting um she will be able she will be making a presentation tonight and we'll be able to

1494
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:39,560
 answer any additional questions regarding that neighborhood meeting i believe she did not get

1495
02:21:39,560 --> 02:21:45,000
 any rsvps to that but she did speak to some surrounding property owners and she can discuss

1496
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:50,920
 that further um so staff recommends approval of the request it does comply with the criteria for

1497
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:58,040
 approval um if uh um and the next step is the tentative city council public hearing

1498
02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:03,560
 on february 16th and um that concludes my presentation and i will be happy to answer

1499
02:22:03,560 --> 02:22:07,720
 any questions uh thank you julie uh here's your call i think you've been waiting patiently thank

1500
02:22:07,720 --> 02:22:15,000
 you uh thank you chair uh julie for my own edification uh the diagonal lines in the red

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02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:21,240
 that's how the city limits correct to the north um let me make sure that i

1502
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:34,680
 uh in terms of yes you are correct yes etj all that around there is etj as well okay

1503
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:43,320
 all right thank you sure christopher anderson thank you chair thank you julie uh i do have a

1504
02:22:43,320 --> 02:22:52,680
 quick question i don't i if i missed it earlier i apologize but this is a truck wash office space

1505
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:59,560
 all this stuff but it says the request by first baptist church i didn't know the church was in

1506
02:22:59,560 --> 02:23:05,800
 trucking um that is the property owner okay so they're so they're they're flipping this property

1507
02:23:05,800 --> 02:23:10,360
 to this company the company that's already across the street the applicant could probably answer

1508
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:15,480
 that further but currently the property is under ownership of that first baptist church yes sir

1509
02:23:15,480 --> 02:23:19,560
 okay i was i didn't know if we discussed that earlier or not i just saw that i'm like why is

1510
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:25,080
 a church in transportation and i know that church is not across the street because thank you

1511
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:34,040
 um see no other questions for julie i'd like to invite the applicant uh for presentation

1512
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:43,560
 good evening commissioners this is amy bissett can you hear me we can amy i know you know the

1513
02:23:43,560 --> 02:23:48,680
 drill but if you state your name and address uh for the record uh you'll have 10 minutes or if

1514
02:23:48,680 --> 02:23:55,960
 there's a group we can extend that to uh extend that further absolutely this is amy bissett 97

1515
02:23:55,960 --> 02:24:04,360
 land company 100 west oak street denton 76201 we are going to do a combined applicant presentation

1516
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:11,800
 and julie should be queuing up our slides for us right now um i would julie when you do get the

1517
02:24:11,800 --> 02:24:16,280
 slides up if you'll go ahead and go to slide two i'd like to start by introducing our team

1518
02:24:16,280 --> 02:24:26,600
 um mark smith is with henry s miller he is the developer for the pd as a whole and he's on the

1519
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:35,800
 call tonight brian cal was is i'm sorry colwis is with hershbach and he represents the end user who

1520
02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:43,960
 intends to develop um sub district one as julie showed in her presentation and then we also have

1521
02:24:43,960 --> 02:24:49,720
 brad baker with gh and architects on the line and drew donofsky with claymore engineering

1522
02:24:50,520 --> 02:24:57,000
 to answer any technical questions related to engineering or architectural design

1523
02:24:57,000 --> 02:25:04,360
 and julie will you go ahead and go to slide three please we are going to do a combined

1524
02:25:04,360 --> 02:25:10,040
 presentation and i'm going to introduce brian with hershbach a little bit later in the presentation

1525
02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:14,840
 but i want to start by kind of giving you an overview of what i intend to hit on i do want

1526
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:20,600
 to look at this project as it relates to the overall um goals that were established by the

1527
02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:26,760
 community in the denton plan 2030 i want to look at its consistency with the future land use plan

1528
02:25:26,760 --> 02:25:33,560
 and map look at um specifically we'll walk you through the pd elements and pd standards that

1529
02:25:33,560 --> 02:25:38,760
 we're proposing for this site and look at the current development pattern the economic development

1530
02:25:38,760 --> 02:25:45,160
 impact the mobility plan and the mobility elements within the denton plan as it relates to this

1531
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:53,080
 project and hershbach as a corporate citizen and community partner in denton and the reason that

1532
02:25:53,080 --> 02:25:59,800
 we're going to go into this level of detail is we did we have had significant neighborhood engagement

1533
02:25:59,800 --> 02:26:06,920
 over the course of several months and as julie mentioned we did mail out invitations to host a

1534
02:26:06,920 --> 02:26:11,960
 neighborhood meeting and we did not receive any rsvps however to provide a little more context

1535
02:26:11,960 --> 02:26:20,360
 the 22 opposition is a what i'll call a majority property owner that borders us on a couple of

1536
02:26:20,360 --> 02:26:28,040
 sides that represents the owner and investor for hills of denton or a large part of hills of denton

1537
02:26:28,680 --> 02:26:37,720
 and so we proactively reached out to um that majority property owner and had three meetings

1538
02:26:37,720 --> 02:26:45,960
 with them between november and january and we also did mail out invitations for a neighborhood

1539
02:26:45,960 --> 02:26:53,320
 meeting as well um nobody rspp but i did receive a response from the property owner directly across

1540
02:26:53,320 --> 02:26:59,880
 highway 77 from this project and spoke with them at length um just before the holidays

1541
02:26:59,880 --> 02:27:11,160
 and um so we did um we did intent we did engage the the property owners um as much as we possibly

1542
02:27:11,160 --> 02:27:16,920
 could and there were some questions raised during those conversations specifically with

1543
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:21,320
 the representative for hills of denton about whether or not this project is consistent with

1544
02:27:21,320 --> 02:27:27,400
 the city's vision for the future from a land use standpoint as well as an economic development

1545
02:27:27,400 --> 02:27:34,680
 standpoint and so i do want to go into some level of detail about those particular aspects julie if

1546
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:41,640
 you'll go to slide four please and as as julie mentioned i'll be quick here the this area is

1547
02:27:41,640 --> 02:27:49,560
 designated in the comprehensive plan future land use map as business innovation and as she stated

1548
02:27:49,560 --> 02:27:54,840
 is intended for large tracts of land for well planned large scale office and employment parks

1549
02:27:54,840 --> 02:28:02,920
 we have a 90 acre pd here um with the primary uses that would be allowed in business innovation

1550
02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:09,480
 being office research and development live manufacturing with um generous linked open

1551
02:28:09,480 --> 02:28:17,400
 space i believe will demonstrate shortly that we are we are providing both employee amenities as

1552
02:28:17,400 --> 02:28:28,360
 well as neighborhoods buffering that accommodate a significant amount of open space and and we are

1553
02:28:28,360 --> 02:28:33,640
 developing in a campus like and corporate park setting that is intended to have a vision that

1554
02:28:33,640 --> 02:28:41,080
 is carried out consistently across multiple phases of development julie if you'll go to slide five

1555
02:28:41,080 --> 02:28:48,440
 please um i have highlighted here on the screen the the corridor that is currently zoned general

1556
02:28:48,440 --> 02:28:55,880
 office and you can see that it extends from the north side of route 288 up highway 77 and then

1557
02:28:55,880 --> 02:29:04,200
 continues up i-35 and general office is um one of the two zoning categories as julie mentioned that

1558
02:29:04,840 --> 02:29:12,520
 would be most compatible with business innovation and light industrial being other we did look at

1559
02:29:12,520 --> 02:29:19,480
 both um zoning categories as a base zoning district for this pd and i'll go into a little

1560
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:27,000
 more detail but it in a moment about why we went with general office and some of the things that

1561
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:32,920
 were considered in in while contemplating and having conversations with the city about that

1562
02:29:34,840 --> 02:29:42,520
 if you'll go to slide six julie um so overarching this pd while we're calling it the hershbach pd

1563
02:29:42,520 --> 02:29:51,880
 because the intent of creating it is to facilitate hershbach expansion and development of a of a

1564
02:29:51,880 --> 02:29:59,400
 campus um on this site and it is broader than just hershbach they'll be taking sub district one and

1565
02:29:59,400 --> 02:30:05,320
 then there will be future development for sub district too but as generally speaking the base

1566
02:30:05,320 --> 02:30:13,880
 zoning is um general office geo which is consistent across this corridor and the intent is to establish

1567
02:30:13,880 --> 02:30:20,760
 a new land use which i'll go into more detail about momentarily and to provide campus amenities

1568
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:27,400
 that go above and beyond what would be required in geo based zoning including um dog park walking

1569
02:30:27,400 --> 02:30:35,880
 trails bio swills and um a densely planted landscape buffer to and a screening fence to create

1570
02:30:35,880 --> 02:30:44,120
 um a visual buffer for any of the neighboring property owners will you go to slide seven please

1571
02:30:44,120 --> 02:30:51,880
 julie um julie looked at this detailed plan with you so i'm not going to to belabor it um the

1572
02:30:51,880 --> 02:30:57,000
 western side of the property would be the hershbach campus and the eastern side would be sub district

1573
02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:03,640
 two i'm going to speak to each of those individually julie if you'll go to slide eight and the pd

1574
02:31:03,640 --> 02:31:10,680
 development standards as a whole so and they're written to apply to both both sub districts is

1575
02:31:10,680 --> 02:31:15,400
 that they would comply with the dimensional standards for the geo districts they would comply

1576
02:31:15,400 --> 02:31:22,200
 with landscape and tree canopy for the geo district the parking ratio that would be applied would be

1577
02:31:23,240 --> 02:31:30,920
 as provided in the dvc unless it's amended by a future detailed plan if somebody that wants to

1578
02:31:30,920 --> 02:31:36,120
 develop in sub district two wants to propose a different parking ratio it would be considered

1579
02:31:36,120 --> 02:31:42,440
 as a part of that pd amendment which would be brought back before you with dual public hearings

1580
02:31:42,440 --> 02:31:50,040
 and then the permitted uses would be the same as geo as well plus establishing this new use which

1581
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:56,600
 would be a fleet service provider as julie's already defined for you i won't go back through

1582
02:31:56,600 --> 02:32:06,200
 that but i do want to delineate why we've created a new use we looked very hard at can we sit into

1583
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:14,040
 an existing land use per the dvc and the closest was travel plaza which you just considered a travel

1584
02:32:14,040 --> 02:32:21,160
 plaza in the previous public hearing but the the difference is so stark that we really felt like

1585
02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:27,640
 travel plaza one is not appropriate for this this area it's more appropriate along i-35 than it is

1586
02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:35,000
 pulled off of 35 and closer to loop 288 but it is intended for the public and for motorists and this

1587
02:32:35,000 --> 02:32:43,400
 is going to be a closed campus that is intended for employees and to support their logistics and

1588
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:51,000
 supply chain activities that this company provides to the dentin community and to the the country as

1589
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:58,040
 a whole so um we we created the new use because of that and i actually there was a question during

1590
02:32:58,040 --> 02:33:07,000
 the work session about um did we write the use to to meet our needs and um the answer is no we did

1591
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:14,920
 not i did a lot of research on um what exists in other development codes and the closest thing

1592
02:33:14,920 --> 02:33:19,960
 that i found that was consistent across development codes was a trucking terminal but in the case of

1593
02:33:19,960 --> 02:33:27,960
 the trucking terminal um the the the primary function is the loading or unloading of goods

1594
02:33:27,960 --> 02:33:34,120
 and the storage of goods which is not the case here and what what this this use really boils down

1595
02:33:34,120 --> 02:33:42,360
 to is that they provide logistics and supply chain support to other businesses they're not um

1596
02:33:42,360 --> 02:33:51,400
 they're not warehousing goods or loading unloading goods or creating manufacturing anything on this

1597
02:33:51,400 --> 02:34:00,600
 campus and so not only did we write the new um the new land use but we also um defined what

1598
02:34:00,600 --> 02:34:06,760
 accessory uses would be allowed as a part of that and the use specific standards that we proposed

1599
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:12,360
 for those accessory uses are consistent with it what already exists in geo zoning specifically

1600
02:34:12,360 --> 02:34:18,120
 and outside storage is allowed as an accessory use in geo zoning but it is required to be

1601
02:34:18,120 --> 02:34:26,120
 in the side or rear yard only and be opaquely screened and have some other provisions associated

1602
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:32,280
 with mitigating nuisances to the neighbors so we looked at um really trying to mirror what was

1603
02:34:32,280 --> 02:34:40,280
 already in the ddc and provide that in this particular proposal just to confirm you guys can

1604
02:34:40,280 --> 02:34:49,480
 still hear me we sure can okay i just didn't want to talk and and and didn't realize that i'd been

1605
02:34:49,480 --> 02:34:55,240
 disconnected so thank you and julie and amy just as a check-in point you're a little at 10 minutes

1606
02:34:55,240 --> 02:35:02,840
 and you have 20 minutes so i just wanted to um check in with you on timing thank you and so the

1607
02:35:02,840 --> 02:35:09,720
 pd um development standards for the entire campus slide nine julie and we really we contemplated

1608
02:35:09,720 --> 02:35:16,040
 going with um a light industrial zoning but we really wanted to be consistent with the geo zoning

1609
02:35:16,040 --> 02:35:21,640
 that is that is throughout that corridor and we wanted to comply with the commercial design

1610
02:35:21,640 --> 02:35:28,280
 standards associated with geo that we would not be required to comply with in in light industrial

1611
02:35:28,280 --> 02:35:34,760
 so those design standards address site design and orientation um or multiple building developments

1612
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:40,120
 building mass informed building transparency and windows and building materials we're proposing

1613
02:35:40,120 --> 02:35:45,240
 some slight amendments to building materials otherwise we're proposing to conform to those

1614
02:35:45,240 --> 02:35:53,560
 standards entirely and julie if you'll go to slide 10 um i've highlighted here specifically what the

1615
02:35:53,560 --> 02:36:00,680
 what we're proposing vary from with those standards um one of which being that um we

1616
02:36:00,680 --> 02:36:06,200
 that architecturally finished metal would be an allowable material um

1617
02:36:09,080 --> 02:36:15,240
 if it's if it's visible from the public right of way even if it's visible from the public right of

1618
02:36:15,240 --> 02:36:21,960
 way that um masonry will comprise 50 percent of the exterior finishes visible from the public

1619
02:36:21,960 --> 02:36:27,640
 right of way which is consistent with the commercial design standards but that um industrial

1620
02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:35,640
 uses as identified in the ddc can use architecturally finished metal for up to 50 percent of the building

1621
02:36:35,640 --> 02:36:42,120
 facade so i do want to point out i don't want to skip over we do propose some variations to

1622
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:48,520
 those standards um that are minor overall when you look at the the overall standards that we're

1623
02:36:48,520 --> 02:36:55,480
 complying with um julie if you'll go to slide 11 please the hershblock trucking terminal specifically

1624
02:36:55,480 --> 02:37:03,080
 um just to show you guys some architectural elevations um this would be an administrative

1625
02:37:03,080 --> 02:37:07,160
 and support building which would be the primary use it's going to look like a corporate office

1626
02:37:07,160 --> 02:37:15,240
 um a campus environment there will be accessory uses that would be um set back behind the main use

1627
02:37:15,240 --> 02:37:22,520
 that um would be screened with um the entire site would be screened with a landscape buffer

1628
02:37:22,520 --> 02:37:28,920
 and then there would be a fence along um behind the main building which i'll depict for you

1629
02:37:28,920 --> 02:37:36,520
 um in slide 12 julie if you'll go to slide 12 please um so you can see in slide 12 the

1630
02:37:36,520 --> 02:37:42,760
 the fence is highlighted in black across the front um so it's behind the main administrative

1631
02:37:42,760 --> 02:37:49,480
 and office building so the accessory uses would be largely screened from view the landscape buffer

1632
02:37:49,480 --> 02:37:58,040
 would um is highlighted in green here that would go um around all um neighboring property would

1633
02:37:58,040 --> 02:38:04,440
 surround the property and provide a screening for all neighboring properties and then um interior

1634
02:38:04,440 --> 02:38:10,920
 to the site would be a dog park and some walking trails i do want to point out that while we would

1635
02:38:10,920 --> 02:38:19,080
 we're proposing overall with a pd to conform to um the geo design or the geo landscape and tree

1636
02:38:19,080 --> 02:38:26,760
 standards on this particular detailed plan which you would be um solidifying with the approval of

1637
02:38:26,760 --> 02:38:34,360
 this pd zoning has over 70 tree preservation on site and over 45 landscape percentage

1638
02:38:34,360 --> 02:38:41,560
 slide 13 please and i'm getting close to handing this off to brian um i do want to point out that

1639
02:38:41,560 --> 02:38:47,640
 from an economic development standpoint hershbach is critical to um this community

1640
02:38:47,640 --> 02:38:54,040
 there they have key supply chain activities in this area where they bring goods from the midwest to

1641
02:38:55,160 --> 02:39:06,040
 five of our major taxpayers and economic development um um just businesses in denton

1642
02:39:06,040 --> 02:39:13,640
 including target us cold storage wenco aldi and southwire which is united copper they're not on

1643
02:39:13,640 --> 02:39:21,640
 this map but they're on the other side of town and slide 14 please julie and to go further into

1644
02:39:21,640 --> 02:39:29,560
 this i do believe that this supports the economic development strategic goals of providing supply

1645
02:39:29,560 --> 02:39:36,520
 chain and logistics and companies in denton to be able to support our major business as these five

1646
02:39:36,520 --> 02:39:43,720
 businesses in denton provide over 400 million dollars in tax base and two and a half million

1647
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:48,760
 square feet of real estate and they're a key industry sector and the backbone of denton's

1648
02:39:48,760 --> 02:39:54,600
 economy so from an economic development standpoint i do believe that the project is consistent with

1649
02:39:54,600 --> 02:40:02,680
 the goals the strategic goals of the city and slide 15 please you guys talked about this

1650
02:40:02,680 --> 02:40:08,760
 extensively in work session i was listening at that during that discussion and this has been

1651
02:40:08,760 --> 02:40:16,360
 identified as a gateway area in the comprehensive plan and the uses on this corridor it's a less than

1652
02:40:16,360 --> 02:40:23,880
 a mile long corridor that connects to freeways and they are all currently somehow truck and travel

1653
02:40:23,880 --> 02:40:32,040
 related uses and which are supported in the comp plan with the caveat that they be located

1654
02:40:32,040 --> 02:40:41,560
 appropriately and away from your main and walkable pedestrian oriented areas in town

1655
02:40:42,920 --> 02:40:50,280
 slide 16 please lastly before i turn it over to brian i just want to say that hershbach is an

1656
02:40:50,280 --> 02:40:57,000
 existing business in denton they have been located here for several years and they are looking at a

1657
02:40:57,000 --> 02:41:04,120
 40 million dollar capital investment in the denton economy by by moving into this campus

1658
02:41:04,120 --> 02:41:10,680
 they provide high wage jobs on site they offer year-round training to their drivers including

1659
02:41:12,200 --> 02:41:18,600
 providing 2500 to 3000 hotel nights annually with local spending when they have their driver

1660
02:41:18,600 --> 02:41:25,080
 orientations which are every week and that they have a green fleet technology and are part of the

1661
02:41:25,080 --> 02:41:32,360
 epa smart way program which i will let brian talk more about if he would like to

1662
02:41:32,360 --> 02:41:38,600
 and with that julie if you'll go to slide 17 i'm going to turn it over to brian with hershbach

1663
02:41:41,400 --> 02:41:49,720
 well good evening can everyone hear me yes very good my name is brian colwis i'm general council

1664
02:41:49,720 --> 02:41:57,640
 and chief risk officer at hershbach hershbach is a truckload carrier based out of debuque iowa

1665
02:41:57,640 --> 02:42:00,840
 i want to spend a little bit of time talking about our company culture

1666
02:42:00,840 --> 02:42:07,800
 we're not your typical trucking company and just to give you an example i wish all of you would

1667
02:42:07,800 --> 02:42:14,840
 have the opportunity to see our home office here in debuque iowa it's like walking into google

1668
02:42:14,840 --> 02:42:22,440
 our owner of our company our ceo does not have an office i'm the company attorney i don't have an

1669
02:42:22,440 --> 02:42:27,800
 office our chief people officer that oversees human resources does not have an office we're

1670
02:42:27,800 --> 02:42:35,240
 very transparent very open very open privately owned company for example we share our profitability

1671
02:42:35,240 --> 02:42:41,160
 numbers with our with our employees everyone is very very well compensated very very good bonus

1672
02:42:41,160 --> 02:42:45,480
 objective bonus structures for individuals all the jobs we'll be creating down there will be

1673
02:42:45,480 --> 02:42:51,400
 high paying jobs our company culture is called all in to win and that means everyone that comes

1674
02:42:51,400 --> 02:42:55,800
 into contact with hershbach needs to be a winner and that includes the city of denton and the

1675
02:42:55,800 --> 02:43:01,000
 citizens of denton it includes our drivers it includes our vendors it includes the the motoring

1676
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:07,080
 public it includes our customers you can tell by the design of our building we're not your typical

1677
02:43:07,080 --> 02:43:12,280
 trucking company another example of how we're not your typical trucking company you can see that we

1678
02:43:12,280 --> 02:43:16,200
 have a dog park and you're probably asking why would a trucking company want a dog park

1679
02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:23,960
 in order to hire and retain the very best drivers out there in the world or in the country you need

1680
02:43:23,960 --> 02:43:27,960
 to do some creative things and one of those things is we allow our drivers to take pets with them on

1681
02:43:27,960 --> 02:43:33,320
 the road our drivers are out for four and five weeks at a time and it'd be nice to have a companion

1682
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:36,440
 in the truck with you when you go well that presents its own challenges what do you do with

1683
02:43:36,440 --> 02:43:41,880
 the dog when the truck goes into the shop so one of the things we'll be doing is putting a dog park

1684
02:43:41,880 --> 02:43:50,840
 in for our drivers and their dogs we started in 1935 kind of the american dream ray hershbach one

1685
02:43:50,840 --> 02:43:57,640
 person one truck and mr hershbach hauled loads of meat out of the midwest and down to the port of

1686
02:43:57,640 --> 02:44:02,520
 houston and hauled bananas back to the midwest to this day we still haul meat out of the midwest

1687
02:44:02,520 --> 02:44:08,520
 and haul bananas back we stayed true to our roots now we're the 62nd largest truckload carrier we're

1688
02:44:08,520 --> 02:44:15,560
 the fifth largest refrigerated carrier in the u.s if you've eaten pork chicken or beef out of the

1689
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:20,920
 midwest anywhere in texas there's a very very good likelihood it came in on one of our trucks

1690
02:44:21,720 --> 02:44:27,800
 we are a truckload carrier like amy said we don't have a cross doc operation there won't be any

1691
02:44:27,800 --> 02:44:33,000
 loading or unloading of trucks at this facility basically it's a place for us to stage equipment

1692
02:44:33,000 --> 02:44:38,840
 hire and train new drivers and basically have a place for us to do drop and hook operations and

1693
02:44:38,840 --> 02:44:44,440
 then run a shop out that's going to be the primary purpose of this uh of this location

1694
02:44:44,440 --> 02:44:49,960
 to tell you a little bit about us we've uh we're very progressive our oldest tractor right now in

1695
02:44:49,960 --> 02:44:55,640
 our fleet is a 2018 and those are slated to go away here in the next few months in a few months

1696
02:44:55,640 --> 02:45:00,040
 our oldest tractable will be a 2019 we've got 1100 new pieces of equipment ordered this year

1697
02:45:00,040 --> 02:45:06,840
 trackers we've got over 2000 new trailers ordered and these are all late model equipment they're the

1698
02:45:06,840 --> 02:45:12,360
 safest most environmentally friendly and most reliable pieces of equipment on the road

1699
02:45:13,960 --> 02:45:20,120
 i heard earlier that we're a critical to the to the to the city of denton and and to the to the

1700
02:45:20,120 --> 02:45:24,040
 to the country i'm going to go one step farther we're essential throughout covid we've been

1701
02:45:24,040 --> 02:45:28,200
 we've been still trucking we're still going to work every day we're masking up

1702
02:45:28,200 --> 02:45:34,600
 when we're at work in order to keep feeding keep feeding the country and having a location in denton

1703
02:45:34,600 --> 02:45:40,840
 will will definitely help us and make us more efficient we could turn to the next slide julie

1704
02:45:42,680 --> 02:45:46,920
 why expand in denton right now we have four acres down there we want to grow

1705
02:45:46,920 --> 02:45:53,080
 in denton because it's a great location for us we're great bringing 15 to 20 drivers new drivers

1706
02:45:53,080 --> 02:45:58,760
 per week into the denton facility but we've got a driver training program we're starting in debuque

1707
02:45:58,760 --> 02:46:04,280
 where we bring people in from scratch that have never driven a truck before and we teach them how

1708
02:46:04,280 --> 02:46:09,240
 to do it the Hirschbach way the right way using our all into zero safety techniques all into zero

1709
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:13,640
 means zero accidents that's the only only acceptable goal when it comes to safety

1710
02:46:13,640 --> 02:46:21,240
 it's kind of our hub of texas from denton you can get anywhere we run a lot of texas if you ran a

1711
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:27,800
 line of all of our freight lanes there would be a direct line from the midwest down down to denton

1712
02:46:27,800 --> 02:46:33,400
 texas on i-35 if you had to sum us up in one word we're a meat holler out of the midwest that's

1713
02:46:33,400 --> 02:46:39,800
 really what we do well and we're we're part of the essential function of hauling food to those in the

1714
02:46:39,800 --> 02:46:45,800
 country we have bought in the past peter bilts and some of them have been created down in denton

1715
02:46:45,800 --> 02:46:51,240
 right now we don't own any peter bilts but in the future we might and having a location in denton

1716
02:46:51,240 --> 02:46:57,560
 might make that a heck of a lot easier we do deliver to many local places of denton all the

1717
02:46:57,560 --> 02:47:05,400
 target winco us storage local parts purchasing is one thing that the city of denton can can get out

1718
02:47:05,400 --> 02:47:09,720
 of this you know when we have a location of that size all of our parts will be ordered and shipped

1719
02:47:09,720 --> 02:47:15,720
 to that denton facility you're probably asking how does denton win because everyone that comes

1720
02:47:15,720 --> 02:47:21,400
 into contact with Hirschbach as a winner jobs high paying jobs tax revenue we're a very progressive

1721
02:47:21,400 --> 02:47:27,080
 employer our growth when i started here six years ago we had around 600 power units we're now over

1722
02:47:27,080 --> 02:47:34,440
 1800 uh we we have modest growth plan for this year uh but we're we're we're clearly a growing

1723
02:47:34,440 --> 02:47:41,640
 company and a very progressive company um i thank all of you for your time and i'll turn it back over

1724
02:47:41,640 --> 02:47:55,400
 thank you brian that's actually the conclusion of our presentation and we're happy to

1725
02:47:56,680 --> 02:48:03,000
 answer any questions thank you amy and brian commissioner smith thank you chair um

1726
02:48:03,000 --> 02:48:07,800
 brian this is a lot of these questions might be more for you but amy feel free to chime in as well

1727
02:48:07,800 --> 02:48:15,800
 but um what is the uh what is the intent with the old location across uh 77 once you guys relocate

1728
02:48:15,800 --> 02:48:22,360
 uh if we did approve this zoning yeah mr smith thank you for that question um the answer to that

1729
02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:27,800
 is i don't know uh right now we are at the very beginning phases of this we're probably a couple

1730
02:48:27,800 --> 02:48:34,120
 years away before we can move in i can tell you this that uh we would likely sell it if you had

1731
02:48:34,120 --> 02:48:37,640
 to ask me right now and said if the building was built right now i could tell you we would sell it

1732
02:48:37,640 --> 02:48:42,840
 but we're going to be good citizens i mean we want to sell it to um someone that's going to

1733
02:48:42,840 --> 02:48:48,760
 conform with the current uh planning and zoning designation of that area um but that would be our

1734
02:48:48,760 --> 02:48:54,440
 intent is to sell it to someone else that could utilize that building we have pumped um i don't

1735
02:48:54,440 --> 02:48:58,200
 quote me on it but we've pumped several hundred thousand dollars into that building since we bought

1736
02:48:58,200 --> 02:49:05,160
 it between concrete putting up a uh an area for the dogs and redoing much of the inside of the

1737
02:49:05,160 --> 02:49:09,320
 building as well yeah that was giving my next question is how much how much adaptation did

1738
02:49:09,320 --> 02:49:13,000
 you make that building if you bought it yourself if you bought it you guys didn't build that one

1739
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:19,400
 originally um how much how much adaptation did you make it to what you guys are doing now and

1740
02:49:19,400 --> 02:49:23,960
 would it be an easy sell later on down the road to somebody who was maybe to

1741
02:49:23,960 --> 02:49:29,240
 convert into some other type of light industrial yeah i think it would i think would sell in a

1742
02:49:29,240 --> 02:49:36,440
 heartbeat um i i mean it's a nice facility we've kept it up we we've invested in it um it'd be a

1743
02:49:36,440 --> 02:49:42,440
 great location for someone there's just a lot of activity in that area so sure um how do you how

1744
02:49:42,440 --> 02:49:49,000
 many do you guys currently employ uh they're at the the current location for hirschbock at that

1745
02:49:49,000 --> 02:49:55,000
 location there's approximately 25 mechanics um and these are high paid very high high paid uh

1746
02:49:55,000 --> 02:50:00,760
 mechanics and then we have an orientation staff there for our new and incoming drivers

1747
02:50:00,760 --> 02:50:05,640
 and then we have a handful of recruiters down there to recruit uh new drivers overall there's

1748
02:50:05,640 --> 02:50:11,320
 around 10 of them so i would guess around 35 but keep in mind we do employ many many people

1749
02:50:11,320 --> 02:50:16,600
 that live in the state of texas sure you take iowa and illinois out of the mix i would bet texas is

1750
02:50:16,600 --> 02:50:21,960
 our third highest uh number of people that we employ for our company because of our drive because

1751
02:50:21,960 --> 02:50:29,240
 we're we're over 48 states so yeah and of course your your drivers are great employees and i'm sure

1752
02:50:29,240 --> 02:50:33,640
 some of them come from a lot of them come from across texas but if we're looking at it from a

1753
02:50:33,640 --> 02:50:38,360
 city of denton standpoint and we're wanting to find something that's beneficial to uh denton

1754
02:50:38,360 --> 02:50:44,360
 citizens and you know obviously the denton economy figuring out you say high high paid employees you

1755
02:50:44,360 --> 02:50:51,320
 have 35 now the new location how many permanent employees that would be or foreseeably could be

1756
02:50:51,320 --> 02:50:55,720
 citizens of the city of denton do you see maybe being there in that new location would still be

1757
02:50:55,720 --> 02:51:01,320
 about 35 just the new updated um facilities or would you see growth in the uh in the permanent

1758
02:51:01,320 --> 02:51:07,640
 employees once you actually be working full-time out of that location oh for sure there will be

1759
02:51:07,640 --> 02:51:11,720
 growth down there because we're going to grow the number of bays we have when you look at the size

1760
02:51:11,720 --> 02:51:16,840
 of a shop um you know you're limited to how many bays you have that's basically your limitation on

1761
02:51:16,840 --> 02:51:22,040
 how many employees you can have working in there so we've got 25 mechanics in there now we're now

1762
02:51:22,040 --> 02:51:26,840
 going to grow this thing to well over double the amount of bays you i'm sure you could pretty

1763
02:51:26,840 --> 02:51:32,200
 easily handle 100 mechanics through there um if you're running 24 hours a day seven days a week

1764
02:51:33,880 --> 02:51:39,800
 okay so maybe taking it you know at a kind of on a high end it could maybe grow from about 35

1765
02:51:39,800 --> 02:51:47,240
 employees to almost you know 100 120 sounds like yeah don't hold me to that i we haven't done it

1766
02:51:47,240 --> 02:51:52,840
 i'll forecast but but i think that's i think that's fair given the scope and size of this project

1767
02:51:52,840 --> 02:51:55,240
 okay thank you so questions i have

1768
02:51:59,000 --> 02:52:04,440
 mr anderson thank you chair uh this is just a quick question it's not going to make or break any

1769
02:52:04,440 --> 02:52:09,960
 kind of deal like that but the fence along the that's going to hide the back section of the

1770
02:52:09,960 --> 02:52:14,440
 property amy uh what kind of material is that going to be is that just going to be like a six

1771
02:52:14,440 --> 02:52:21,320
 foot wooden picket fence or is that going to be masonry cinder blocks

1772
02:52:26,360 --> 02:52:35,400
 at this point in time it's intended to be um a vinyl fence so it will be um more durable than

1773
02:52:35,400 --> 02:52:43,240
 wood but it will be um it will be decorative and not be um something you can see through

1774
02:52:43,240 --> 02:52:47,960
 if that answers your question it does it does it's that's better material than

1775
02:52:47,960 --> 02:52:52,040
 replacing picking broken fence pieces all the time so no that's great thank you

1776
02:52:53,400 --> 02:53:00,520
 mr alice thank you chair i'm curious as to how many bays are planned for the site

1777
02:53:00,520 --> 02:53:08,120
 as well with regard to storage and the accessory use what is how much storage is there for tractors

1778
02:53:08,120 --> 02:53:13,240
 and i believe cars as well

1779
02:53:23,480 --> 02:53:27,240
 commissioner ellis i am pulling that information up for you give me just a moment

1780
02:53:27,240 --> 02:53:33,320
 commissioner else would you prefer that we also pull the plan up

1781
02:53:33,320 --> 02:53:39,240
 as she's talking through it it's really looking for numbers so either or is fine

1782
02:53:39,240 --> 02:53:49,960
 i i want to say and i'm not putting my hands on it quickly enough and i don't want to hold you up

1783
02:53:49,960 --> 02:53:57,080
 but um i do have the architect and the engineer on the phone as well but i believe that it's um 17

1784
02:53:57,080 --> 02:54:11,480
 bays and um maybe 120 ish um spaces for long-term storage and um brad if you're if you're on the line

1785
02:54:11,480 --> 02:54:16,600
 if you hit star six you can unmute and maybe able to answer that more specifically as well

1786
02:54:19,640 --> 02:54:26,360
 yes amy can you hear me we can okay uh yes this is jenny to state my

1787
02:54:26,360 --> 02:54:35,080
 information this is uh brad and brad baker texas registered architect uh at ghn in springfield

1788
02:54:35,080 --> 02:54:44,200
 missouri 300 south jefferson 65806 um yes hang on a second yeah amy was right it looks like

1789
02:54:44,200 --> 02:54:50,760
 uh we've designed a building that could be expanded in the long term um the original

1790
02:54:50,760 --> 02:55:01,000
 shop building we've actually made room for a total of it could be up to 24 tractors but it's

1791
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:07,320
 the way we counted it would be more like 17 like she said and then parking the same way we had a

1792
02:55:07,320 --> 02:55:11,160
 i think she had the numbers right but it doesn't have to all be developed in one shot so

1793
02:55:11,160 --> 02:55:18,440
 uh it could be faced forward so the 120 trailer spots should be about right

1794
02:55:18,440 --> 02:55:29,720
 okay and on that note um fuel was mentioned too in in the plan it where would that be located

1795
02:55:29,720 --> 02:55:36,600
 commissioner ellis this is amy i actually wrote that definition and when i wrote it it was um

1796
02:55:37,800 --> 02:55:45,800
 i was trying to be broad enough in case it didn't get incorporated into other um into the ddc in

1797
02:55:45,800 --> 02:55:52,840
 the future but to my knowledge there are no fuel um stations proposed on this site that's why i

1798
02:55:52,840 --> 02:56:01,800
 couldn't find it anywhere okay i appreciate it thank you any other questions for uh julie or

1799
02:56:01,800 --> 02:56:04,920
 the applicant i know we have some people that have been patient waiting on the phone commissioner

1800
02:56:04,920 --> 02:56:10,520
 smith thank you chair just one last question what was uh an aim this might be a question for amy i

1801
02:56:10,520 --> 02:56:15,560
 don't think i caught this at all in julie's presentation i know it's a two-phase development

1802
02:56:15,560 --> 02:56:22,360
 but what is the intent with phase two amy is it a um something to be developed later that's similar

1803
02:56:22,360 --> 02:56:28,200
 to what's going to be a phase one or an expansion of phase one or something completely different i

1804
02:56:28,200 --> 02:56:35,000
 think i missed that in the first presentation so the commissioner smith at this point there's no um

1805
02:56:35,000 --> 02:56:45,640
 impending development for phase two the intent is to um establish the pd standards and um then begin

1806
02:56:45,640 --> 02:56:54,040
 to market it for potential end users um i've got mark smith with henry s miller he's um he'll be

1807
02:56:54,040 --> 02:57:01,080
 responsible for the remainder of that land and developing sub district too so mark if you're

1808
02:57:01,080 --> 02:57:07,160
 available if you want to hit um star six and unmute yourself you can address commissioner smith directly

1809
02:57:07,160 --> 02:57:16,520
 as well uh this is mark smith can you hear me we can okay i'm mark smith henry s miller equity

1810
02:57:16,520 --> 02:57:25,320
 partners 5151 beltline uh dallas texas uh our intent for the 53 acres there is to have

1811
02:57:25,320 --> 02:57:35,880
 resource development um industrial uses um light industrial uh it could either be divided into

1812
02:57:35,880 --> 02:57:42,280
 several lots uh it could be divided into two lots or it could sell to one user

1813
02:57:43,320 --> 02:57:50,520
 uh we we agree to the standards that are being placed in here and we will uh make sure that

1814
02:57:50,520 --> 02:57:57,080
 whoever uh we talk to or negotiate with will be aware of these standards and we'll hold to them

1815
02:57:57,080 --> 02:57:59,000
 okay thank you very much

1816
02:57:59,000 --> 02:58:10,280
 okay i do not see any other questions right now so um staff if you could do me a favor and just

1817
02:58:10,280 --> 02:58:15,560
 maybe mute the the applicant's lines make sure they're all muted so when we go to callers there's

1818
02:58:15,560 --> 02:58:21,640
 not connectivity issues i appreciate that um for this item we had 16 people make comments using

1819
02:58:21,640 --> 02:58:26,760
 the online form there were 13 in support of this item and three against all of these comment forms

1820
02:58:26,760 --> 02:58:32,200
 were emailed to all the commissioners and our city secretary to be recorded there are four individuals

1821
02:58:32,200 --> 02:58:38,360
 that have been waiting patiently to speak to us and so at this time i'll ask staff to connect the

1822
02:58:38,360 --> 02:58:48,520
 first caller and we'll wait for connection

1823
02:59:08,360 --> 02:59:18,520
 okay

1824
02:59:18,520 --> 02:59:28,520
 hello this is uh vent carter live at 2043 chin road which is a road just off again east ganja road

1825
02:59:28,520 --> 02:59:35,800
 uh understanding uh growth has got to happen but my concern is is will there be will we see

1826
02:59:35,800 --> 02:59:41,320
 semi-traffic on east ganja road with trucks exiting off 35 and coming up east ganja road

1827
02:59:41,320 --> 02:59:46,280
 and going north on bonnie bray kind of a back way into the man i know they have to go up to 77

1828
02:59:46,280 --> 02:59:52,600
 because i've been listening but uh what's to prevent truck drivers for semis coming down these roads

1829
02:59:52,600 --> 02:59:59,160
 that are not designed for semi-trucks that's my only concern yeah mr carter i appreciate you

1830
02:59:59,160 --> 03:00:05,880
 calling in and expressing that concern this property has no uh connection to bonnie bray or to

1831
03:00:05,880 --> 03:00:12,440
 ganzer the only way they could they could enter the property is off 77 so um i don't have a map

1832
03:00:12,440 --> 03:00:17,080
 right in front of me but i would think naturally the only form of traffic would be from loot 288

1833
03:00:17,080 --> 03:00:24,760
 or 35 um would be the quickest most efficient route to the location uh not bonnie bray bonnie

1834
03:00:24,760 --> 03:00:30,520
 bray they can't get to the property for bonnie bray oh i'm aware they'd have i'm aware i'm aware

1835
03:00:30,520 --> 03:00:37,000
 they'd have to go up to 77 and turn but i know truck drivers if there's an easier or quicker way

1836
03:00:37,000 --> 03:00:43,080
 to get there they may try they may try to come this way and that's my concern so i mean i know

1837
03:00:43,080 --> 03:00:47,640
 where the road the entrance is going to be on 77 but it would make more sense to go down but

1838
03:00:47,640 --> 03:00:53,720
 i'm just concerned would there be nothing to prevent them from going that way if they want to

1839
03:00:54,440 --> 03:00:58,200
 that's correct there's nothing to prevent them from exiting ganzer going through ganzer down

1840
03:00:58,200 --> 03:01:05,080
 to bonnie bray down to loop 288 and over to 77 that's correct right yeah that was i'm just

1841
03:01:05,080 --> 03:01:09,720
 saying those roads aren't designed for semi that was my concern so i definitely understand i

1842
03:01:09,720 --> 03:01:15,000
 appreciate you calling in bringing that to the to our attention okay thank you thank you have a good

1843
03:01:15,000 --> 03:01:24,760
 day and if i uh can we go ahead and pass the next caller through thank you mr carter

1844
03:01:45,000 --> 03:01:48,760
 just

1845
03:01:48,760 --> 03:01:56,280
 good evening you are with plan zoning if you could state your name and address you'll have four

1846
03:01:56,280 --> 03:02:06,840
 minutes to speak sure my name is shula matter 16950 dallas parkway with 120 and they may ask

1847
03:02:06,840 --> 03:02:12,440
 permission since i represent five properties and instead of talking four minutes on each if i can

1848
03:02:12,440 --> 03:02:20,200
 do like five to six minutes all together like it's my initial presentation that's okay with you yes

1849
03:02:20,200 --> 03:02:27,080
 that's okay you have six thank you so much okay thank you so much and good evening my name is

1850
03:02:27,080 --> 03:02:35,720
 shula nature and i'm a representative of cat bentham 35 five six ten and eleven bentham is

1851
03:02:35,720 --> 03:02:41,960
 described as a university city and the city of science technology arts and music it has a big

1852
03:02:41,960 --> 03:02:49,240
 medical center and conference center all of these are on the east side of highway 35 bentham has

1853
03:02:49,240 --> 03:02:54,840
 always also been blessed with a wonderful airport and big industrial component around it all on the

1854
03:02:54,840 --> 03:03:02,680
 west side the property that we're discussing is right in the intersection of 288 and i-35

1855
03:03:02,680 --> 03:03:08,520
 and it's the front and most visible place of the gateway for the whole northeast quadrant

1856
03:03:09,720 --> 03:03:15,800
 this should be the newest and well planned area of the future of bentham with that in mind the

1857
03:03:15,800 --> 03:03:25,320
 future plan calls to the front to be zoned cgo and described officially by the city and i'm reading

1858
03:03:25,320 --> 03:03:31,080
 intended to provide locations for variety of workplaces and complementary uses

1859
03:03:31,080 --> 03:03:38,520
 principal uses including office research and development related supporting uses the go

1860
03:03:39,720 --> 03:03:44,840
 district provide area for flexible office space encouraging establishment of research

1861
03:03:44,840 --> 03:03:51,080
 and development opportunity for business innovation under that the city the city

1862
03:03:51,080 --> 03:03:56,520
 shows a picture of beautiful office buildings something like whole business park in prisco

1863
03:03:56,520 --> 03:04:03,800
 or legacy in plano this learning request is a big deviation from this plan and vision

1864
03:04:03,800 --> 03:04:11,160
 and will adversely affect the whole northeast quadrant the use request of tracking distributors

1865
03:04:11,160 --> 03:04:19,320
 or as the applicant is beautifying the name to fleet service provider is not an allowable use

1866
03:04:19,320 --> 03:04:29,160
 in many cities you will not see this use in plano frisco allen prosper selina etc as one city manager

1867
03:04:29,160 --> 03:04:36,120
 told me tracking does not bring much tax benefit to the city and it creates an environmental store

1868
03:04:36,120 --> 03:04:43,320
 and pays very low wages as to this zoning case did you see the colored pictures of the buildings

1869
03:04:43,320 --> 03:04:50,440
 that are proposing the only missing thing in this picture are hundreds of trucks initially miss

1870
03:04:50,440 --> 03:04:57,160
 white mentioned in the report that there would be between 25 to 50 trucks and the next report 50 to

1871
03:04:57,160 --> 03:05:05,480
 100 i studied the project in depth with few experts in the tracking industry describing the project

1872
03:05:05,480 --> 03:05:13,400
 that is about 40 acres of land with 80 000 square feet of buildings those experts estimate that this

1873
03:05:13,400 --> 03:05:23,480
 size facility will have about 250 to 400 trucks and maybe more you do not invest 40 million dollars

1874
03:05:23,480 --> 03:05:31,640
 for 50 tracks i asked mr kanan and the city if given their zoning who will monitor how many

1875
03:05:31,640 --> 03:05:37,320
 tracks there will be and the response was that there will be no monitoring of the city and he

1876
03:05:37,320 --> 03:05:44,040
 does not know how many will be a very big question on this case also is why didn't the city require

1877
03:05:44,040 --> 03:05:51,000
 traffic studies in this case it's a very important factor let's talk a little about the process that

1878
03:05:51,000 --> 03:05:57,400
 was handled in this case i happened to find out about the zoning when the broker comes to my came

1879
03:05:57,400 --> 03:06:02,600
 to my office to ask for a sewer easement for a small commercial project i asked who's running

1880
03:06:02,600 --> 03:06:09,160
 the zoning and was told amy to say i was told i hear from her but i didn't after waiting a couple

1881
03:06:09,160 --> 03:06:16,360
 of weeks i reached out to her only then we had a zoning a zoom meeting and she sent me some claims

1882
03:06:16,920 --> 03:06:22,840
 after receiving them and finding out that this was not a little commercial project and in fact

1883
03:06:22,840 --> 03:06:30,280
 was a very damaging heavy industrial project i contacted mrs white and my to my disappointment

1884
03:06:30,280 --> 03:06:36,040
 she said that the staff was going to recommend approval although the city knew that this case

1885
03:06:36,040 --> 03:06:43,560
 would be her in january 6 notices to the meeting were not made up until december 21st my office

1886
03:06:43,560 --> 03:06:49,560
 received them on december 31st it seems that the information is being hidden all the time

1887
03:06:49,560 --> 03:06:56,680
 and a short notice on holiday week emphasized it then the meeting was moved today so then the

1888
03:06:56,680 --> 03:07:03,720
 moving was moved to january 20 preparing for this meeting tonight i talked with neighboring

1889
03:07:03,720 --> 03:07:09,080
 residents that informed me that there was a neighborhood meeting i had no knowledge of the

1890
03:07:09,080 --> 03:07:14,600
 neighborhood meeting when i called mr said i was told that since i knew about the project

1891
03:07:14,600 --> 03:07:19,560
 she they decided not to invite me to the neighborhood meeting i guess they knew i would oppose

1892
03:07:19,560 --> 03:07:26,760
 in the applicant's report to the city they said that they called a neighborhood meeting and nobody

1893
03:07:26,760 --> 03:07:33,640
 showed up i'm here to tell you that i did not show up because i was not invited and didn't know about

1894
03:07:33,640 --> 03:07:41,320
 it the city recommends two neighborhoods meetings the second one never was called mrs rich reached

1895
03:07:41,320 --> 03:07:47,960
 out to me and asked to have a zoom meeting last monday during which she told me that they made

1896
03:07:47,960 --> 03:07:56,360
 changes but she could not show them to me yet later that day mrs emails me and said shula i do

1897
03:07:56,360 --> 03:08:02,680
 not have any materials to send to you i will talk to you through the changes to our zoning request

1898
03:08:02,680 --> 03:08:09,000
 and steps we are taking to provide the buffer to your property once we have everything finalized

1899
03:08:09,000 --> 03:08:14,600
 and she puts in parentheses later in the evening or tomorrow i will send you the final version

1900
03:08:14,600 --> 03:08:22,760
 to date i have not received anything zoning that request buffer means that it's bad thing

1901
03:08:22,760 --> 03:08:33,640
 and they're trying to hide i'm going i'm going that the entire quadrant will lower this will

1902
03:08:33,640 --> 03:08:40,440
 lower the whole entire quadrant lower the values and uses of thousands of acres on the northeast

1903
03:08:40,440 --> 03:08:46,760
 and it's bad for the city of danston as pmd members you're here because you care about the

1904
03:08:46,760 --> 03:08:53,320
 city and its development i hope that you will not approve the zoning case for the use that

1905
03:08:53,320 --> 03:09:00,600
 is not even allowed in most cities i'm sure that hers back is a great company but it does not

1906
03:09:00,600 --> 03:09:07,480
 belong here thank you very much thank you very much for for calling in i want to see if anyone

1907
03:09:07,480 --> 03:09:10,920
 has any questions for you does any here's our questions for miss westler

1908
03:09:15,880 --> 03:09:22,040
 miss westler can you turn down your tv are you are you there yeah okay yeah we're just we're

1909
03:09:22,040 --> 03:09:26,840
 getting an echo can can you clarify something you when you mentioned your address on record

1910
03:09:26,840 --> 03:09:32,440
 you gave a dallas address is that correct yes sir i'm a real estate broker and i represent

1911
03:09:32,440 --> 03:09:41,960
 and the owners okay so you're not a property owner adjacent to this property i'm the president of

1912
03:09:41,960 --> 03:09:48,920
 their corporation and i represent them yes okay that might be a reason you might have not gotten

1913
03:09:48,920 --> 03:09:57,400
 a notification do you know if the oh no no no no no no no no no i'm i'm on the application i'm on

1914
03:09:57,400 --> 03:10:03,560
 the list definitely i'm on the list and i did get the notices it just went forward the neighborhood

1915
03:10:03,560 --> 03:10:08,200
 meetings they decided not to have me because i guess they didn't want me to find my opinion

1916
03:10:10,360 --> 03:10:16,360
 and that is not a neighborhood meeting okay i appreciate the clarification and the owners

1917
03:10:16,360 --> 03:10:23,400
 that you represent do they have adjacent property to this yeah right we have like six adjacent

1918
03:10:23,400 --> 03:10:31,160
 properties i think we are like 80 percent my owners have about 4 000 acres the whole northeast

1919
03:10:31,160 --> 03:10:37,160
 quadrant of this area they are the most wonderful caring people they've worked with many cities in

1920
03:10:37,160 --> 03:10:43,640
 this area and they always are waiting to do the right thing and they and to hold off for the right

1921
03:10:43,640 --> 03:10:49,960
 development we were approached by actually by hirschbach themselves to and other tracking

1922
03:10:49,960 --> 03:10:56,040
 companies to sell land my my owners could have made a lot of money making those sales

1923
03:10:56,040 --> 03:11:03,000
 but they decided not to they decided that this quadrant should be high quality with the vision

1924
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:09,400
 of the city it shouldn't be a tracking place if the city made you know when the city was young

1925
03:11:09,400 --> 03:11:14,920
 and it was rural and they gave some tracking zoning that was in the past i think now we need

1926
03:11:14,920 --> 03:11:22,120
 to look at the future of denton and this quadrant is the future of denton that should be the quality

1927
03:11:22,120 --> 03:11:31,880
 the very big part if you go further up is is the most gorgeous rolling um rolling gate country land

1928
03:11:32,440 --> 03:11:38,360
 and i noticed when i showed my clients that land i took them to stonebridge to show them because

1929
03:11:38,360 --> 03:11:45,400
 it's kind of the same topography and i showed them this is my vision for this deal to be like a stone

1930
03:11:45,400 --> 03:11:52,440
 bridge like with a lot of amenities and rolling and beautiful and surrounded by quality commercial

1931
03:11:53,080 --> 03:12:06,520
 quality office quality employment and you know as i said you know um you know as one of the city

1932
03:12:06,520 --> 03:12:13,720
 managers that i quoted they say many cities do not allow tracking use like this because they say it's

1933
03:12:13,720 --> 03:12:20,440
 environmentally like here they're going to wash 400 tracks by the creek i mean the whole thing is

1934
03:12:20,440 --> 03:12:27,240
 just wrong and then you know they said tracking brings very little tax benefits for the city

1935
03:12:27,240 --> 03:12:35,880
 it creates environmental floor and pays very low wages so i i envision that i think denton has such

1936
03:12:35,880 --> 03:12:44,440
 an aura of beautiful quality academic education wonderful things we are in an era of wonderful

1937
03:12:44,440 --> 03:12:52,840
 technology high you know med medicine and so on and what can be more perfect than that area

1938
03:12:52,840 --> 03:12:58,840
 for the expansion of denton and and you're and and i think the city is lucky to have people like

1939
03:12:58,840 --> 03:13:05,320
 my owners that are sitting and waiting to do the right thing we could have slapped a lot of such

1940
03:13:05,320 --> 03:13:10,280
 zoning i think i could have made a lot of sense i think i appreciate your answer and some of the

1941
03:13:10,280 --> 03:13:16,360
 points you had made you certainly uh to me were clear earlier the one thing i do want to ask it

1942
03:13:16,360 --> 03:13:24,280
 seems as though um during this discussion it part of the rationale that this isn't um the best fit

1943
03:13:24,280 --> 03:13:31,880
 for denton is it doesn't compare to frisco alan prosper or mckinney and i'm curious do you represent

1944
03:13:31,880 --> 03:13:36,840
 ownership groups that want to change their property to make it more like alan mckinney and prosper

1945
03:13:37,400 --> 03:13:44,840
 is that the goal is to make northeast denton like the other cities i think i don't think it's like

1946
03:13:44,840 --> 03:13:51,240
 the other city because denton has its uniqueness there's no other city has denton has the wonderful

1947
03:13:51,240 --> 03:13:57,320
 universities and the wonderful spirit no it's not to make them like but what i was trying to show

1948
03:13:57,320 --> 03:14:06,760
 is like like new architectural new innovation new things that are compatible with the education

1949
03:14:07,800 --> 03:14:14,120
 of denton with all the values of denton no it shouldn't be like a plain it shouldn't be like

1950
03:14:14,120 --> 03:14:18,280
 in the frisco i was bringing it as an example for architectural and newness

1951
03:14:18,280 --> 03:14:25,240
 and caring of what is going in okay that makes sense i just i appreciate you acknowledging that

1952
03:14:25,240 --> 03:14:30,120
 denton is unique and like no other city which is maybe why this use case doesn't exist in other

1953
03:14:30,120 --> 03:14:38,840
 cities exactly and and i think i think the closest i can compare denton to in my mind is austin

1954
03:14:38,840 --> 03:14:44,200
 gotcha well uh it looks like we have another question for you go fast christian or beck

1955
03:14:44,200 --> 03:14:54,040
 yes thank you chair um can i ask um caller what um if you don't think that this is an appropriate

1956
03:14:54,040 --> 03:15:00,520
 use or consistent use does uh the the adjacent uses that are already involved in these uses

1957
03:15:00,520 --> 03:15:04,520
 well um is it that you'd like to see those go away

1958
03:15:04,520 --> 03:15:14,040
 well it's well you know i i don't think i ever want to push anybody away i think everybody that

1959
03:15:14,040 --> 03:15:20,280
 is there you know needs to be grandfathered and it needs to be working with the city i think right

1960
03:15:20,280 --> 03:15:28,040
 is right and wrong is wrong and then so i think i think those you know and if they find better

1961
03:15:28,040 --> 03:15:34,360
 places to move on it'll be wonderful but if they decide to stay there there and they've been part

1962
03:15:34,360 --> 03:15:41,240
 of the community and i think we need to respect that but not to put more things like that and i'm

1963
03:15:41,240 --> 03:15:50,280
 sure that each one of you dropped by those facilities and it's not the best but they're

1964
03:15:50,280 --> 03:15:54,600
 part of the community and we respect that but we shouldn't add on to it

1965
03:15:54,600 --> 03:16:05,480
 is there any other questions for uh miss netzer yes sir i don't see any other questions but i

1966
03:16:05,480 --> 03:16:09,480
 appreciate you calling in and bringing your concerns to us thank you and thank you very

1967
03:16:09,480 --> 03:16:14,760
 much for considering it and caring about them so thank you very much of course bye have a good

1968
03:16:14,760 --> 03:16:30,920
 evening if i could ask staff to bring in the third caller

1969
03:16:30,920 --> 03:16:38,680
 good evening you're with pnz if you could state your name and address you have four minutes to

1970
03:16:38,680 --> 03:16:48,040
 speak very good this is robert nicholas and i'm an attorney at miclos sinclair plc the address

1971
03:16:48,040 --> 03:16:56,520
 business address is 1800 valley du lane suite 360 farmers branch texas 75234 and i represent

1972
03:16:56,520 --> 03:17:04,440
 cat denton and uh miss netzer i will say that i did not have the sound on during her presentation

1973
03:17:04,440 --> 03:17:11,080
 so if i say anything that's redundant in any way i don't think i will uh but if i do i i apologize

1974
03:17:11,080 --> 03:17:20,200
 um and i'll just cut right to it um i'm speaking in opposition i'm sorry this is cody with city of

1975
03:17:20,200 --> 03:17:25,000
 denton how you doing tonight i'm good how are you doing all right thank you um just want to let you

1976
03:17:25,000 --> 03:17:31,960
 know i'm queuing you up to be the next uh person to speak you're on you'll have four minutes to

1977
03:17:31,960 --> 03:17:39,640
 speak on this item and um i'm going to place you on hold right now and whenever uh robert is is

1978
03:17:39,640 --> 03:17:46,200
 finished with his four minutes i'll patch you in i this is all right thank you uh apologize for

1979
03:17:46,200 --> 03:17:54,680
 that confusion robert uh will you please continue okay i and i have the sound off so can y'all hear

1980
03:17:54,680 --> 03:18:03,640
 me we we can now okay i'll restate it sorry yes please this is robert nicholas and i'm a land use

1981
03:18:03,640 --> 03:18:12,280
 attorney at miclos sinclair plc my office uh address is 1800 valley du lane suite 360 farmers

1982
03:18:12,280 --> 03:18:20,600
 branch texas 75234 i represent cat denton and uh miss shula netzer uh i had the sound off with

1983
03:18:20,600 --> 03:18:26,280
 y'all so i apologize if i'm saying anything redundant to what i said 30 seconds ago or

1984
03:18:26,280 --> 03:18:32,680
 anything that she said uh but i didn't hear what she said so i'll cut right to it i'm speaking in

1985
03:18:32,680 --> 03:18:40,040
 opposition uh to this zoning case uh i don't know whether miss netzer said that or not but she uh

1986
03:18:40,040 --> 03:18:48,200
 represents approximately 5 000 acres uh to the north northwest northeast of this property site

1987
03:18:48,200 --> 03:18:56,360
 so even though this appears to be a 22 opposition if the rest of this 200 foot buffer zone was in

1988
03:18:56,360 --> 03:19:02,760
 this area the opposition percentage would be significantly higher than just the 22 so i wanted

1989
03:19:02,760 --> 03:19:10,920
 to emphasize this i was watching the work uh session and uh i agree with the concept or the

1990
03:19:10,920 --> 03:19:17,080
 thought process that was going through what this application is is this is a general office

1991
03:19:18,520 --> 03:19:26,600
 for structure and land site but this is an industrial use attached to the plan development

1992
03:19:26,600 --> 03:19:34,600
 so this is a uh industrial intrusion into a general office use and the future land use map

1993
03:19:34,600 --> 03:19:41,320
 for business innovation calls this designation is intended for large tracts of land that are

1994
03:19:41,320 --> 03:19:47,080
 appropriate for well-planned larger scale office and employment parks with supporting uses such as

1995
03:19:47,080 --> 03:19:53,000
 retail hotels and residential primary uses include office research and development and light

1996
03:19:53,000 --> 03:19:59,640
 manufacturing so with respect to your planning staff and the applicant i will respectfully

1997
03:19:59,640 --> 03:20:06,440
 disagree and state that i believe that this is in opposition to your future land use map and in

1998
03:20:06,440 --> 03:20:13,800
 opposition to general office i could say a lot of words and throw a lot of words at you but i think

1999
03:20:13,800 --> 03:20:22,760
 that the most significant uh way to uh i guess get over uh what the opposition really is and what the

2000
03:20:22,760 --> 03:20:29,880
 concern really is here is is that once you allow an industrial use in a general office area just

2001
03:20:29,880 --> 03:20:36,760
 like your previous case uh where you had loves truck stop going next to a bunch of other uh truck

2002
03:20:36,760 --> 03:20:43,720
 related uses once you put a truck related use here and you saw that 17 truck bays truck parking

2003
03:20:43,800 --> 03:20:51,000
 truck idling uh truck repair uh that's what you're going to get next to this site that's what you're

2004
03:20:51,000 --> 03:20:56,120
 going to get because put yourself in the place of a landowner next to this are you going to put

2005
03:20:56,120 --> 03:21:04,920
 restaurant with porches across a vinyl fence from 50 trucks idling at 3 a.m are you going to put a

2006
03:21:04,920 --> 03:21:10,360
 hotel next to that are you going to put residential next to that of course not so what's going to

2007
03:21:10,360 --> 03:21:15,880
 happen is is that i know legally and you've got your city attorney here very very good man

2008
03:21:15,880 --> 03:21:21,880
 uh each case does not say that you have to pass another case but what you'll see is is that you're

2009
03:21:21,880 --> 03:21:27,400
 adjoining landowners will be stuck they'll have to bring in industrial and industrial type and

2010
03:21:27,400 --> 03:21:34,360
 transportation uses adjacent to this use because they won't be able to do the restaurants retail

2011
03:21:34,360 --> 03:21:41,400
 the data centers the light office uses what you're going to do is you're going to transform this area

2012
03:21:41,400 --> 03:21:49,960
 of elm north of 288 and east of i-35 into truck and truck transportation uses and pull it away from

2013
03:21:49,960 --> 03:21:57,000
 what it's originally intended to be which is general office with some residential with retail

2014
03:21:57,000 --> 03:22:01,720
 and office uses so what you're going to do is you're going to transform this corridor

2015
03:22:01,720 --> 03:22:09,560
 and i think that is a against the future land use map and against general office which is exactly why

2016
03:22:09,560 --> 03:22:16,840
 they sort of stapled on top of your general office pd uses this industrial use that's really the only

2017
03:22:16,840 --> 03:22:24,280
 way that they could justify and try and meet your future land use guidelines so i think if you want

2018
03:22:24,280 --> 03:22:32,520
 transportation uses in this corridor then approve this uh uh site if you want to follow what i

2019
03:22:32,520 --> 03:22:38,040
 believe the vision of dent was for this corridor not only this particular location but it's adjacent

2020
03:22:38,040 --> 03:22:43,080
 and surrounding uses i would ask you to oppose this and i'm going to say this finally this is

2021
03:22:43,080 --> 03:22:48,120
 not a site that has been sitting there with grass growing for 20 or 30 years and you can't get

2022
03:22:48,120 --> 03:22:54,840
 anybody there this is a well-sought site if you turn this down tonight harshback i'm sure is a

2023
03:22:54,840 --> 03:23:00,760
 terrific company and on the other side of i-35 it makes perfect sense to put something like this

2024
03:23:00,760 --> 03:23:05,560
 there heck there are already a bunch of truck traffic uses over there anyway but at this site

2025
03:23:05,560 --> 03:23:09,960
 once you put this here you're saying we're going to have to put a lot of other truck related

2026
03:23:09,960 --> 03:23:15,640
 and industrial uses right next to it and you're foregoing what i believe dent really intended for

2027
03:23:15,640 --> 03:23:22,920
 this corridor to be uh so i'm asking you to vote against this to deny this uh and the red flag

2028
03:23:22,920 --> 03:23:27,320
 should be that it requires a super majority to go to council anyway you wouldn't do this with the

2029
03:23:27,320 --> 03:23:35,240
 residential area you wouldn't put uh an industrial use in a residential corridor um and and fit it

2030
03:23:35,240 --> 03:23:40,760
 into a residential structure and it's the same thing here you'll get this company here you'll

2031
03:23:40,760 --> 03:23:45,320
 get it in your city you'll get the employment here and by turning this down tonight you're

2032
03:23:45,320 --> 03:23:50,360
 going to get a better use at this location that makes more sense it is more in line with your

2033
03:23:50,360 --> 03:23:57,160
 future land use map that's it well mr nicholas i certainly appreciate you calling in and providing

2034
03:23:57,160 --> 03:24:03,960
 your perspective any questions commissioners for the caller commissioner beck yes uh thank you

2035
03:24:03,960 --> 03:24:09,400
 chair mr nicholas um i'll ask you the same question that i asked the previous speaker and that is uh

2036
03:24:10,360 --> 03:24:16,440
 if you don't think that this use across the street is appropriate what uh is it is it that

2037
03:24:16,440 --> 03:24:22,600
 your vision that that the existing trucking uses should be uh slowly uh depreciated and gotten rid

2038
03:24:22,600 --> 03:24:31,240
 of okay i know that there's a truck use to the south southeast of this site and it sounds like

2039
03:24:31,240 --> 03:24:37,160
 they're selling off and moving regardless uh so i'm not going to tell y'all what to have with that

2040
03:24:37,160 --> 03:24:43,560
 particular location but this location is north of 288 and it looks like the intention of the city of

2041
03:24:43,560 --> 03:24:51,640
 denton was to make this an office retail and hotel use going north there i would never ask you to run

2042
03:24:51,640 --> 03:24:58,680
 out any existing business or uh non-conform any existing business i just think that once you put

2043
03:24:58,680 --> 03:25:05,080
 this on the north side of 288 what you're doing is you're saying this whole area needs to be

2044
03:25:05,080 --> 03:25:11,720
 industrial industrial related and truck uses and uh i don't think that's what the city intended

2045
03:25:11,720 --> 03:25:18,360
 when it did a future land use map um so i'm not going to speak for what that particular location

2046
03:25:18,360 --> 03:25:23,640
 should or shouldn't be i'm a big fan of letting businesses that are operating normally stay

2047
03:25:23,640 --> 03:25:30,200
 but i don't think you double down on it if you had um a use that you weren't happy with at a

2048
03:25:30,200 --> 03:25:35,160
 particular location i don't think you say well i'm going to put two or three more next to it

2049
03:25:35,160 --> 03:25:40,040
 and double or triple down on something that would be incompatible with your future land use

2050
03:25:40,040 --> 03:25:44,360
 you just let them run their course move their time and they look like they're intending to move

2051
03:25:44,360 --> 03:25:52,360
 anyway that would be my answer and it is thank you any other questions for mr nicholas

2052
03:25:52,360 --> 03:25:59,000
 i don't see any i appreciate you calling in and articulating your perspective thank you very much

2053
03:26:00,200 --> 03:26:05,320
 thank you all and i'm going to ask staff to patch through our final caller for this evening

2054
03:26:05,320 --> 03:26:22,680
 good evening you're with planning and zoning if you could state your name and address you'll have

2055
03:26:22,680 --> 03:26:29,640
 four minutes to speak okay my name is sean terry it's 1800 valley view lane and farmers branch

2056
03:26:29,640 --> 03:26:35,400
 texas and i'm with centurion american we are the owners of the two tracks of land that is directly

2057
03:26:35,400 --> 03:26:43,640
 across from this proposed zoning change on 288 and so am i alive now can i go you're alive you can go

2058
03:26:43,640 --> 03:26:49,320
 okay appreciate you and thank you pnz for staying listen to us you know we've we've got the land like

2059
03:26:49,320 --> 03:26:53,320
 i said the two tracks of land that we actually own that's across the street from this proposed

2060
03:26:53,320 --> 03:26:57,240
 zoning change you know we put a lot of work and effort went through with time spent with the city

2061
03:26:57,240 --> 03:27:02,360
 of denton in regard to these two tracks as well as the kings ridge single-family community that

2062
03:27:02,360 --> 03:27:07,160
 is currently being developed which is crossing the new high school um we're opposing this zoning

2063
03:27:07,160 --> 03:27:13,000
 change this northeast quadrant of i-35 and 77 we feel like should be some kind of high quality

2064
03:27:13,000 --> 03:27:17,880
 development that you see along 121 different places like that you know obviously when you

2065
03:27:17,880 --> 03:27:23,080
 got residential mixed in with a lot of truck traffic it's a little harder to sell homes

2066
03:27:23,080 --> 03:27:26,520
 and i know you guys have heard a lot of people speak tonight and things like that and i won't

2067
03:27:26,520 --> 03:27:31,800
 beat a dead horse so to speak but you know we just oppose this due to the fact again that we want to

2068
03:27:31,800 --> 03:27:36,520
 do some more residential over there bringing more high quality homes in and we felt like having

2069
03:27:36,520 --> 03:27:40,040
 something like this with this amount of trucks that'll be going right across the street from us

2070
03:27:40,040 --> 03:27:44,840
 with the added noise and things it could be a challenge for us and and again i appreciate

2071
03:27:44,840 --> 03:27:49,880
 you guys times and gals times for being here and listen to us talk and i'll uh i'll sit back and

2072
03:27:49,880 --> 03:27:55,480
 answer any questions that you might have i appreciate mr sarah any questions for the caller

2073
03:27:56,520 --> 03:28:02,280
 uh i do not see any uh but i appreciate you calling in and providing your your two cents

2074
03:28:02,280 --> 03:28:06,520
 and perspective okay thank you all very much and have a good evening thank you you too

2075
03:28:06,520 --> 03:28:16,760
 bye bye any more callers that concludes uh the public speaking or public hearing part of that

2076
03:28:16,760 --> 03:28:23,560
 i'm gonna go ahead and close the public hearing officially and turn it to the dais for a motion

2077
03:28:23,560 --> 03:28:29,560
 and discussion commissioner smith um before i make a motion i'd like to just say that i think that

2078
03:28:29,560 --> 03:28:37,960
 the uh i think the public comments have been um well heard and received i think that uh you know

2079
03:28:37,960 --> 03:28:45,720
 that we've uh certainly a tricky area for us to put a for us to approve a zoning but that uh that

2080
03:28:45,720 --> 03:28:54,760
 area has always um screamed to me as exactly what the flume has it as business innovation um sounds

2081
03:28:54,760 --> 03:29:01,080
 like from what's uh you know hearing from the representative from uh brian from from hershbach

2082
03:29:01,080 --> 03:29:06,760
 that it seems like the company is doing things that are uh you know leading edge of a trucking

2083
03:29:06,760 --> 03:29:12,520
 industry they're uh trying to take care of their employees they uh it seems like the growth of this

2084
03:29:12,520 --> 03:29:18,280
 site if it's zoned correctly would i would bring employment and economic strength to the city um

2085
03:29:18,280 --> 03:29:23,400
 so i do want to make a motion to approve the project uh but i want to make that with a caveat

2086
03:29:23,400 --> 03:29:28,520
 of um i think that discussion we had in work session that commissioner roselle or chair was

2087
03:29:28,520 --> 03:29:35,480
 all brought up is extremely important that this is uh there's more and more of these projects develop

2088
03:29:35,480 --> 03:29:41,880
 and as we kind of set something like this it's a very large commercial project it'll be somewhat of

2089
03:29:41,880 --> 03:29:49,480
 a cornerstone in this area um we need to create a a small area plan and so i do want to make a

2090
03:29:49,480 --> 03:29:53,960
 motion to approve uh and um we'll look forward to talking about that matrix when we get to it

2091
03:29:53,960 --> 03:29:57,000
 commissioner cole i'll second

2092
03:29:57,000 --> 03:30:04,680
 we have a first and a second for approval uh discussion we'll start with commissioner

2093
03:30:04,680 --> 03:30:11,240
 anderson thank you chair uh first i'd like to say you know thanks to amy and brian for both

2094
03:30:11,240 --> 03:30:18,840
 uh your presentation and that helped clarify several some questions i had regarding the design

2095
03:30:18,840 --> 03:30:26,120
 and the intent of the use of the property uh i look forward to watching your project progress

2096
03:30:26,120 --> 03:30:31,480
 uh i'm going to go ahead and vote as an eye for this project i think that whole corridor out there

2097
03:30:31,480 --> 03:30:39,240
 as commissioner cole stated earlier has been as far as i've lived and did in my whole life

2098
03:30:39,240 --> 03:30:45,560
 it's been known as a trucking area uh 76 trucks off the tna that's out there now used to be 76

2099
03:30:45,560 --> 03:30:50,120
 truck style we played baseball for them they sponsored a lot of little league pony league

2100
03:30:50,120 --> 03:30:58,360
 teams in this city uh that whole area has been uh has been that corridor and i don't see where

2101
03:30:58,360 --> 03:31:05,640
 this is going to be that much of a difference and if we can keep it in one area that's great

2102
03:31:05,640 --> 03:31:14,680
 instead of spreading it out all over the area and uh you know uh thank you again to uh hersbach for

2103
03:31:14,680 --> 03:31:20,360
 investing 40 million dollars into the city that each of us on this commission uh like so much or

2104
03:31:20,360 --> 03:31:25,880
 we wouldn't be sitting here and listening to these presentations and uh i hope you do take

2105
03:31:25,880 --> 03:31:32,360
 advantage of your new neighbor here in ditten uh peter built and order some vehicles and trucks

2106
03:31:32,360 --> 03:31:39,960
 from them uh that would be a great partnership for both of you and uh i do like your motto i'm in on

2107
03:31:39,960 --> 03:31:44,840
 this i'm all in so uh hope you're all in to win and uh i just want to say i'm going to go ahead

2108
03:31:44,840 --> 03:31:51,400
 and vote eye for this and uh i hope i can say welcome to ditten so thank you uh well christopher

2109
03:31:51,400 --> 03:31:56,200
 anderson you will have to officially vote later on but i appreciate uh your voice in support now

2110
03:31:56,200 --> 03:32:03,320
 uh christopher beck thank you chair um so i'm going to follow in from what commissioner anderson said

2111
03:32:03,320 --> 03:32:12,600
 it seems like um oh you know i that this area has you know been a trucking area um i've driven back

2112
03:32:12,600 --> 03:32:18,040
 and forth uh up this corridor to get to oklahoma and see family from the houston area my entire

2113
03:32:18,040 --> 03:32:28,120
 life and that's a trucking area even though i'm only a 2007 uh transplanted and um it the other

2114
03:32:28,120 --> 03:32:35,960
 thing that particularly appealed to me is they're unlike many of the development projects uh that

2115
03:32:35,960 --> 03:32:43,160
 they were exceeding capacity on some of the environmental era uh conditions that are you know

2116
03:32:43,160 --> 03:32:49,560
 near and dear to my particular heart in addition uh the campus doesn't look like a typical at least

2117
03:32:49,560 --> 03:32:58,920
 the elevation didn't look like a typical um uh kind of project so i it feels like for business

2118
03:32:58,920 --> 03:33:06,440
 innovation just like commissioner smith said we we have a a modern more innovative more

2119
03:33:07,480 --> 03:33:14,920
 contemporary use that has been there for a while as commissioner anderson said so i think i'm i'm

2120
03:33:14,920 --> 03:33:23,400
 also going to be supporting this thank you christopher alice thank you chair well i may be the lone

2121
03:33:23,400 --> 03:33:29,640
 wolf on this because i do have just so many concerns on this request um and it's not that

2122
03:33:29,640 --> 03:33:34,360
 i'm disrespecting this company or their business um they're a fine company they've been a fine

2123
03:33:35,000 --> 03:33:42,680
 neighbor in denton um but my concerns are you know we don't have a current plan or vision for

2124
03:33:42,680 --> 03:33:51,560
 this gateway we don't have a current definition for this land use we don't even know if we want

2125
03:33:51,560 --> 03:33:57,800
 it in the city or where but when we discussed it in work session we know we don't want it in geo

2126
03:33:58,840 --> 03:34:05,960
 we don't think but we're going to try to fit it in geo by finagling some parameters

2127
03:34:05,960 --> 03:34:12,360
 in a planned development except we don't have a full planned development because we're not

2128
03:34:12,360 --> 03:34:17,640
 discussing phase two and if we're trying to put it all into a pd we probably should have a full

2129
03:34:17,640 --> 03:34:27,640
 vision for the pd not a phase two that needs a major uh plan development that has to come back

2130
03:34:27,640 --> 03:34:35,720
 here i think this is a significant facility and i think what we're setting up is for phase two

2131
03:34:35,720 --> 03:34:44,840
 to effectively be more trucking related uses and if that was the vision that we had for this

2132
03:34:44,840 --> 03:34:50,760
 which i don't know if it is or it isn't it's hard for me to support a plan development that's not

2133
03:34:50,760 --> 03:34:59,240
 planned i'm also concerned with the adjacent property owners that have have called in today

2134
03:34:59,240 --> 03:35:06,040
 and talked with us they have master plan communities with single family uses multi-family

2135
03:35:06,040 --> 03:35:13,480
 uses and some commercial uses office uses but not industrial uses like major trucking facilities

2136
03:35:14,200 --> 03:35:21,800
 so i'm having a real hard time getting on board with this because our decision is to be planning

2137
03:35:21,800 --> 03:35:31,160
 for the future and with our lack of vision here i can't say that this is what our vision is i don't

2138
03:35:31,160 --> 03:35:35,560
 think that's what our vision is on that side of the road i understand we keep saying oh it's

2139
03:35:35,560 --> 03:35:42,360
 already happening on the other side of the road it's very divided there where where they're wanting

2140
03:35:42,360 --> 03:35:49,480
 to build this use is not there it's on the other side of the highway it's on the other side of the

2141
03:35:49,480 --> 03:35:57,560
 loop right now in a small way but it's not on that side of loop 288 like is being proposed now

2142
03:35:57,560 --> 03:36:05,960
 if we do allow this i am convinced that that is what we are going to have for this corridor going

2143
03:36:05,960 --> 03:36:13,880
 forward and right now that isn't something that i'm willing to get on board with thank you commissioner

2144
03:36:13,880 --> 03:36:21,560
 alice christner beck yes thank you chair i i want to push back slightly on what commissioner alice

2145
03:36:21,560 --> 03:36:27,640
 said that use has been there as several of the commissioners said including myself for for years

2146
03:36:27,640 --> 03:36:33,400
 and years and years and so the development for single family multi-family town hall master plan

2147
03:36:33,400 --> 03:36:41,560
 committee moved into an area with existing usage of light industrial general office uses

2148
03:36:41,560 --> 03:36:46,360
 i guess with the idea that that would die off

2149
03:36:46,360 --> 03:36:53,720
 i but at the same time the representatives say they don't want to kick these elements out and

2150
03:36:53,720 --> 03:36:59,720
 i mentioned this to chair earlier you know unless we're willing to say that this is not a use that i

2151
03:36:59,720 --> 03:37:05,720
 want that's not that i'm going to put my thumb on the scales to make this untenable that's a use

2152
03:37:05,720 --> 03:37:11,320
 that's already there and it's almost literally across the street from the existing use so

2153
03:37:11,320 --> 03:37:19,640
 um i i think this i'll i'll just be i'll just cards on the table i think this is

2154
03:37:19,640 --> 03:37:25,240
 uh developers wanting light industrial uses versus developers wanting single family homes

2155
03:37:25,240 --> 03:37:32,360
 and this is a developer versus developer issue and um there is existing use and developers in

2156
03:37:32,360 --> 03:37:43,720
 in in low in situ um i'm versus uh hypothetical development in the future i'm i don't feel

2157
03:37:43,720 --> 03:37:50,760
 comfortable trying to to run this out and i think you could do a small area plan that said i'm going

2158
03:37:50,760 --> 03:37:58,520
 to have the tesla trucking group i'm going to have the hershbach austin light campus i'm going to make

2159
03:37:58,520 --> 03:38:04,360
 this yes it's going to be geo and line industrial but you could do a small area plan that said this

2160
03:38:04,360 --> 03:38:11,080
 is a light industrial that is sexy instead of light industrial that's detroit blight and and that's up

2161
03:38:11,080 --> 03:38:20,520
 to us so uh those are my two cents commissioner alice yeah thank you chair and i'll just push back

2162
03:38:20,520 --> 03:38:25,320
 with some of those comments where we're not dealing with an industrial use it's geo that is what we're

2163
03:38:25,320 --> 03:38:30,920
 dealing with here it's geo and rr and they're requesting that the base zoning be geo not

2164
03:38:30,920 --> 03:38:35,960
 industrial on that side and i don't believe this is a developer versus developer i believe this is

2165
03:38:35,960 --> 03:38:42,280
 all about planning and all about a vision and all about a major corridor that brings people

2166
03:38:42,280 --> 03:38:54,280
 into the north side of living in the city of denton all right i'm gonna uh tread into these

2167
03:38:54,280 --> 03:38:59,720
 waters of i think a really good and healthy discussion and um i'll be honest i've kind of

2168
03:38:59,720 --> 03:39:04,760
 richard you want to go ahead and speak yeah and i'm not trying to i just wanted to

2169
03:39:04,760 --> 03:39:09,960
 point out the the geo district because i think it's i always say it's the most misunderstood

2170
03:39:09,960 --> 03:39:15,080
 district that we have in the in the 2019 ddc and i think it's important just to note that this

2171
03:39:15,080 --> 03:39:22,280
 this transition from rccn to to geo and so there were no industrial uses permitted prior um it

2172
03:39:22,280 --> 03:39:28,840
 transitioned to to geo which now does permit industrial uses so while it's not a strictly

2173
03:39:28,840 --> 03:39:33,400
 industrial district it does allow for light manufacturing allows for medium manufacturing

2174
03:39:33,400 --> 03:39:40,200
 with an sup and it does allow for wholesale and warehousing the prior district they had a limitation

2175
03:39:40,200 --> 03:39:46,360
 of 55 000 square feet the geo does not and so it is really a a hybrid district and i just don't want

2176
03:39:46,360 --> 03:39:52,120
 us to get too hung up on on the name general office but but it does allow for a variety of those

2177
03:39:52,120 --> 03:39:56,360
 of those uses including an industrial that that was all just wanted to note that

2178
03:39:58,520 --> 03:40:05,160
 thanks richard uh back to to what i hope is not a long soliloquy i remember uh a couple decades ago

2179
03:40:05,160 --> 03:40:11,160
 um i got news my family got news that peter built had paid for a super world commercial

2180
03:40:11,160 --> 03:40:14,760
 and that the truck that they were going to put in the commercial was going to have denton texas on

2181
03:40:14,760 --> 03:40:20,600
 the side of it this is before tivo or dvr and literally in my house as a kid i remember us all

2182
03:40:20,600 --> 03:40:25,400
 rushing the tv so we could see peter built drive down through a super world commercial with denton

2183
03:40:25,400 --> 03:40:32,440
 texas on the side of it and since then and other than peter built i've never seen a company wanting

2184
03:40:32,440 --> 03:40:37,000
 and being proud of the city of denton i haven't seen a national landscape like peter built did

2185
03:40:37,000 --> 03:40:40,280
 in that super world commercial i don't know if hirschbach's ever going to buy a super world

2186
03:40:40,280 --> 03:40:44,920
 commercial but i do know that they're wanting to invest in denton and no one else has done it in

2187
03:40:44,920 --> 03:40:49,400
 that corridor to the size and the extent in which they're coming to the table with real dollars to

2188
03:40:49,400 --> 03:40:56,760
 support our town and so if we had a another option that has been brought to this this area

2189
03:40:56,760 --> 03:41:01,720
 then let's let's hear it how long has that been sitting there hirschbach has committed to denton

2190
03:41:01,720 --> 03:41:08,280
 they've already been operating in denton they want to expand into denton with 100 mechanics jobs

2191
03:41:08,280 --> 03:41:14,680
 that that's good paying work to keep people living in denton keeping their dinner dollars in denton

2192
03:41:14,680 --> 03:41:20,840
 buying at our stores here in denton and so again if other companies want to come and put this kind

2193
03:41:20,840 --> 03:41:25,240
 of investment up and commit to the city of denton like hirschbach has already done and is doing

2194
03:41:25,240 --> 03:41:32,200
 tonight then i i welcome it i want to see it but right now hirschbach is at the table with dollars

2195
03:41:32,200 --> 03:41:39,160
 and no one else is and to the point of developer versus developer i tend to agree with my

2196
03:41:39,160 --> 03:41:46,120
 commissioner beck this is not people coming from the hartley field coalition saying these are our

2197
03:41:46,120 --> 03:41:53,080
 homes that that's backing up to this is foreign dallas money owning 5 000 acres and wanting to

2198
03:41:53,080 --> 03:41:59,640
 protect that investment this it's it is 100 a developer from out of town wanting to make

2199
03:41:59,640 --> 03:42:07,080
 sure the hills of denton is successful it's not protect our our farm land which is a lot more

2200
03:42:07,080 --> 03:42:13,000
 compelling to me east of here down at hartley field when we were going through all that

2201
03:42:13,000 --> 03:42:20,040
 well y'all remember the issues east of here so it does seem like i mean two of the four callers

2202
03:42:20,040 --> 03:42:26,760
 tonight were were highly incentivized monetarily to make sure this thing doesn't go in and so i

2203
03:42:26,760 --> 03:42:31,320
 don't see any other way than kind of to beck's point we have i don't even know if it's a developer

2204
03:42:31,320 --> 03:42:36,440
 versus developer it seems like there's a corporation wanting to commit to denton and a developer

2205
03:42:36,440 --> 03:42:42,280
 wanting to protect a massive housing project from from down in dallas i think is where they were

2206
03:42:42,280 --> 03:42:48,520
 calling from and so that's just not a compelling argument at all that being said it's incumbent on

2207
03:42:48,520 --> 03:42:55,240
 the city the mayor council staff to protect this corridor because the creep potential is real i

2208
03:42:55,240 --> 03:43:01,160
 think uh sean terry was the one who said it and commissioner ellis echoed it that this could set

2209
03:43:01,160 --> 03:43:07,080
 a precedent of a lot of trucking and to commissioner beck's point is that we want i don't i don't know

2210
03:43:07,080 --> 03:43:13,000
 commissioner ellis brings up a good point of this is not the most traditional pd we've ever seen

2211
03:43:13,000 --> 03:43:19,320
 and so i think we have a massive responsibility to get a small area plan done asap to ensure other

2212
03:43:19,320 --> 03:43:23,320
 people who are looking to purchase property understand the expectations of the city but since

2213
03:43:23,320 --> 03:43:28,600
 that hasn't been done i'm certainly not in a position to try to punish or lobby my opinions

2214
03:43:28,600 --> 03:43:34,040
 on harshbox investment and say well wait a couple years while the city figures out what we're going

2215
03:43:34,040 --> 03:43:38,600
 to do with the land we haven't done it yet i don't think it's right to have them wait until it does

2216
03:43:38,600 --> 03:43:44,840
 get done that being said in addition to the small area plan i'm not a fan of the way city kind of

2217
03:43:44,840 --> 03:43:50,040
 put this together no offense to the planners involved but to commissioner ellis's point this

2218
03:43:50,040 --> 03:44:00,120
 was one of the the um less tightly formed pds we've seen uh certainly uh we have a pd that's

2219
03:44:00,120 --> 03:44:06,840
 doesn't seem to be very specific on the adjacent property under the pd which i'll be honest almost

2220
03:44:06,840 --> 03:44:11,880
 excuse me to vote no on this because it's it seems really haphazard and i and i certainly wouldn't

2221
03:44:11,880 --> 03:44:17,240
 want to see this again or the other commissioners to see this again and so uh with with maybe a

2222
03:44:17,240 --> 03:44:24,200
 stern admonition i think we need to clean up pds uh and actually make them planned developments

2223
03:44:24,200 --> 03:44:30,440
 um those are my two cents uh sorry if it's more stream of consciousness but i i fully support this

2224
03:44:30,440 --> 03:44:35,400
 project and what hirschbach is is doing and i and i certainly want them buying peter built trucks

2225
03:44:35,400 --> 03:44:41,240
 um so i'd like to see that happen if it's not tesla trucks going forward any other discussion

2226
03:44:41,240 --> 03:44:48,440
 on this item all right seeing none we'll take a vote via roll call starting with commissioner ellis

2227
03:44:48,440 --> 03:44:56,440
 and with my vote i will say this is not against hirschbach or anything that they do um or have

2228
03:44:56,440 --> 03:45:03,720
 done with our city this has to do with me being against trying to fit this into a geozoning and

2229
03:45:03,720 --> 03:45:12,760
 i will vote no commissioner beck for the reasons i said earlier i'll be voting yes uh commissioner

2230
03:45:12,760 --> 03:45:24,680
 anderson yes commissioner cole yes commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries five

2231
03:45:24,680 --> 03:45:32,040
 one congratulations next item of business is the concluding item our matrix i will turn the floor

2232
03:45:32,040 --> 03:45:35,080
 over to richard for any updates and then to the dais forward discussion

2233
03:45:35,080 --> 03:45:46,040
 i think i know which item to add um to to the matrix um i don't know that i'll have it on the

2234
03:45:46,040 --> 03:45:52,600
 next agenda but but i do promise i will have that um at least a a beginning discussion on that most

2235
03:45:52,600 --> 03:45:58,280
 likely on the 17th along with with the fees um so i'll have um selena reach out we may want to

2236
03:45:58,280 --> 03:46:02,520
 start a little early to have that discussion but it might be a good segue as we're updating the

2237
03:46:02,520 --> 03:46:07,720
 comprehensive plan um to really look at these areas but i'd also like to take a step back and

2238
03:46:07,720 --> 03:46:14,520
 and look at at the gateways overall um in fact we had a just internally uh we've had that that

2239
03:46:14,520 --> 03:46:20,440
 discussion um both with with the city manager's office uh as well as our development service

2240
03:46:20,440 --> 03:46:25,960
 management and just where we're headed and now that we've got some things under under wraps

2241
03:46:25,960 --> 03:46:29,080
 with respect to just our development review and really getting back out there

2242
03:46:29,080 --> 03:46:34,680
 and and starting looking at neighborhood planning area planning and and it kind of segues perfectly

2243
03:46:34,680 --> 03:46:38,680
 with right where we are right now with the with the comprehensive plan update so if you can just

2244
03:46:38,680 --> 03:46:43,000
 give me a couple weeks to put a little bit more together on that um but i'd like to come back

2245
03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:48,680
 at least on the 17th with an initial discussion for these um for these uh for these area plans

2246
03:46:49,720 --> 03:46:56,520
 with that i happy answer any questions awesome thanks for the update christner beck yes thank

2247
03:46:56,520 --> 03:47:02,360
 you chair um richard i i emailed you this um earlier but i i think it's worth noting here for

2248
03:47:02,360 --> 03:47:10,440
 the future matrix and and that is um and i think i semi included it in previous meetings uh after

2249
03:47:10,440 --> 03:47:18,120
 cody gave his presentation uh and that is uh lately in the last two weeks or so i've been getting a lot

2250
03:47:18,120 --> 03:47:22,600
 of questions maybe it's because i'm a computer guy and people know that or whatever i don't know

2251
03:47:22,600 --> 03:47:34,440
 but a lot of how do you get information online about active projects and and the thing is we

2252
03:47:34,440 --> 03:47:40,440
 we now know thanks to the work session cody told us all how to do it but i think there's a real

2253
03:47:42,520 --> 03:47:49,080
 dearth of public awareness and so if if we could do what i sort of suggest an email and for the

2254
03:47:49,080 --> 03:47:53,880
 rest of the commissioners i i asked richard if he could look into getting a web page that was a

2255
03:47:53,880 --> 03:48:01,480
 walkthrough on how to how to go from the active projects map uh all the way out to all the

2256
03:48:01,480 --> 03:48:07,320
 information uh the way a lot of people said what's coming who's the point of contact uh you know what's

2257
03:48:07,320 --> 03:48:12,760
 the decapped links all that that's all available nothing has to be invented richard's team has done

2258
03:48:12,760 --> 03:48:19,000
 that already i just think what this is is an education outreach and training issue not a

2259
03:48:19,000 --> 03:48:26,760
 not a technology issue and i think it just needs a single web page to to make uh accessible to

2260
03:48:26,760 --> 03:48:35,560
 citizens and that's something that we've already that's already started and so i think that that

2261
03:48:35,560 --> 03:48:40,200
 email went out i know it went through the through the manager's office and so i believe it's already

2262
03:48:40,200 --> 03:48:46,120
 in the works to develop that page i think as i mentioned before with our our current system

2263
03:48:46,120 --> 03:48:50,920
 and software that what we're running we do have some limitations but again that that will will

2264
03:48:50,920 --> 03:48:55,480
 change hopefully by the end of the year once we get once we get up and running with the new software

2265
03:48:55,480 --> 03:49:02,040
 and then start to be able to have these plans being being accessible online it's just it just

2266
03:49:02,040 --> 03:49:06,840
 allows for for greater transparency as well as giving folks an idea of what's going on and

2267
03:49:06,840 --> 03:49:11,000
 not having to call staff or or do multiple requests it's easier to just have that information

2268
03:49:11,000 --> 03:49:16,120
 available to them and then follow up with questions as opposed to having um going back and forth

2269
03:49:16,120 --> 03:49:21,640
 and so that that's sort of our our intent and um i know we'll get there and um but but that that is

2270
03:49:21,640 --> 03:49:26,440
 in the works the um that additional that's awesome that's awesome i think it's going to save you and

2271
03:49:26,440 --> 03:49:32,040
 steward and everybody else a lot of time um fielding questions because you'll already have those pre

2272
03:49:32,040 --> 03:49:40,200
 prefab answers yeah thank you any other uh questions or things to update christopher

2273
03:49:40,200 --> 03:49:49,160
 thank you i i was just uh curious richard if any of our city systems endpoints were hit by the solar

2274
03:49:49,160 --> 03:49:57,800
 winds cyber attack i know some of the others were and counties were uh do you have any knowledge of

2275
03:49:57,800 --> 03:50:03,560
 that or i'm not aware i can i can follow up with with our it and and and report back but i'm not

2276
03:50:03,560 --> 03:50:14,360
 aware that that um there was okay cool thanks commissioner anderson just want to after the

2277
03:50:14,360 --> 03:50:17,960
 meeting i wondered if richard could stick around for a minute because i have a personal question

2278
03:50:17,960 --> 03:50:21,000
 to ask uh after after what this is certainly

2279
03:50:21,000 --> 03:50:30,280
 can i stay around too mr anderson absolutely any other questions or concerns for the matrix

2280
03:50:30,280 --> 03:50:39,720
 okay uh seeing none i will call the meeting to a close at 8 45 thank you everyone see you in a

2281
03:50:39,720 --> 03:50:41,040
 in a couple of weeks.

2282
03:50:41,040 --> 03:50:41,880
 - Bye.