WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.000 Good afternoon and welcome to the Zoning Board of Adjustments meeting for today. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:15.360 The date is Monday, November 30th, 2020. 00:00:15.360 --> 00:00:21.000 The time is 3.03 p.m. I'd like to call this meeting to order as we do have a quorum. 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:25.760 The first item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to both the U.S. and the Texas 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:26.760 flag. 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:30.880 Is that a thing we do on Zoom, Ron? 00:00:30.880 --> 00:00:33.880 You're on mute. 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:40.720 Sorry, I was on mute. 00:00:40.720 --> 00:00:43.800 Yes, we do the Pledge. 00:00:43.800 --> 00:00:44.800 I apologize. 00:00:44.800 --> 00:00:51.640 We do the Pledge, so if you're able to, please join us on the Pledge. 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.280 Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:04.680 And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.720 and justice for all. 00:01:06.720 --> 00:01:15.120 On the Texas flag, honor the Texas flag, and Pledge of Allegiance to the Texas, one state 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.120 under God, one indivisible. 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.120 Thank you. 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:21.120 Thanks. 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:28.360 The second item on our agenda is Item 2A, a Work Session Report, which is Receive a 00:01:28.360 --> 00:01:33.240 Report, Hold a Discussion, and Give Staff Direction Regarding Code Amendments Related 00:01:33.240 --> 00:01:36.240 to Zoning Board of Adjustment, Composition, and Operational Procedures. 00:01:36.240 --> 00:01:38.920 So I'll hand it over to staff. 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:39.920 Great. 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:40.920 Thank you. 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:41.920 Give me a second. 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:45.040 I'll go ahead and bring up my presentation. 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:58.760 Hopefully you all can see the presentation and can hear me. 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:04.180 This is a presentation related to our development code amendments that we're currently working 00:02:04.180 --> 00:02:07.520 on as it relates to the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:12.160 It's just a part of, again, our code amendments. 00:02:12.160 --> 00:02:17.640 So just a way of agenda presentation, I'm just going to briefly go over the history 00:02:17.640 --> 00:02:24.280 of the DDC update, what code amendments we've already started and currently drafting. 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:28.440 The Development Code Review Committee go over who they are and how they're helping in this 00:02:28.440 --> 00:02:29.440 process. 00:02:29.440 --> 00:02:34.200 A little bit about the proposed schedule, where we are and where we hope to be in the 00:02:34.200 --> 00:02:40.480 next couple months, and then kind of dive into a little bit more on the amendments as 00:02:40.480 --> 00:02:45.260 it relates to the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:02:45.260 --> 00:02:52.480 So by way of history, on April 23rd, 2019, the development code was updated. 00:02:52.480 --> 00:03:00.240 And through that update, we had made some changes to some of the operations and composition. 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.600 And so we're going to address that later in the presentation. 00:03:04.600 --> 00:03:11.920 During April and September, the zoning map was also approved by the City Council. 00:03:11.920 --> 00:03:19.660 And on October 1st, the entire DDC update, 2019 DDC update, was effective, again, October 00:03:19.660 --> 00:03:20.660 1st. 00:03:20.660 --> 00:03:25.280 Obviously, one year later, we're celebrating our year anniversary. 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:32.360 Since October of 2019, to date, we have been doing a number of code amendments, primarily 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:40.280 addressing nonconformities, performing city initiated rezonings to address those nonconformities, 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:46.720 also drafting and getting code amendments approved to, again, address those nonconformities. 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:53.080 We also had a number of state law that was passed in the summer of 2019. 00:03:53.080 --> 00:04:01.400 One specifically, House Bill 2497, which affects the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:05.620 And that's one of the other reasons why we're doing these code amendments, to make sure 00:04:05.620 --> 00:04:10.880 that we are in line with the state law that were passed. 00:04:10.880 --> 00:04:21.280 Again, this House Bill 212497 was one of those, again, that affects the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:04:21.280 --> 00:04:24.840 So again, I kind of briefly went through this, but I just really want to spend a little bit 00:04:24.840 --> 00:04:29.040 more time to discuss why the code amendments now. 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:35.960 Well, again, based on some of the code amendments or the 2019 update, there were some nonconformities 00:04:35.960 --> 00:04:39.780 that were created, so we're continuing to address that. 00:04:39.780 --> 00:04:45.200 We want to align our provisions with House Bill 2497, and I'll speak a little bit more 00:04:45.200 --> 00:04:47.840 towards what that is. 00:04:47.840 --> 00:04:52.320 We also are obviously improving our development review process, and we want to codify some 00:04:52.320 --> 00:04:55.480 of that and make sure that that's in our code. 00:04:55.480 --> 00:05:00.440 And again, we continue to hear from the general public, the development community, the Planning 00:05:00.440 --> 00:05:04.600 Zoning Commission, City Council, and other boards and commissions on how to better improve 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:12.680 our process and our code, and we want to make sure we have an avenue to do so. 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:18.680 We've identified a number of code amendments from high priority changes to substantive 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:25.280 changes to others that deal primarily with criteria manuals, and then others are just 00:05:25.280 --> 00:05:32.560 non-substantive changes such as typos, missed references, clarifying the intent and/or deleting 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:33.560 some duplication. 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:42.320 So these are not as critical, but still need to be done as part of our code amendments. 00:05:42.320 --> 00:05:47.880 Real quickly, the Development Code Review Committee is made up of three councilmembers, 00:05:47.880 --> 00:05:50.040 three Planning Zoning Commissioners. 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:51.360 You see them listed here. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:57.600 Now, the councilmembers, they may change in the next coming weeks, but again, we have 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:04.380 a committee that is charged, change my slide, to assist in the code amendment process by 00:06:04.380 --> 00:06:10.960 providing guidance, giving us, reviewing the code amendments, but also giving us priorities 00:06:10.960 --> 00:06:16.680 on what code amendments should be presented and move forward to the Planning Zoning Commission 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:17.680 and City Council. 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:22.840 So yes, ultimately, the Development Review Committee is just an advisory board, which 00:06:22.840 --> 00:06:29.440 will provide recommendations, and ultimately, the full City Council will make their decision 00:06:29.440 --> 00:06:34.000 on the code amendments that we bring forward. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:41.800 Our schedule, as we've been working on this beginning of September, as you all know, with 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.200 COVID and everything, everything seemed to be put on the back burner. 00:06:46.200 --> 00:06:52.640 However, we recognize that this is an important part of what we need to accomplish with code 00:06:52.640 --> 00:06:53.640 amendments. 00:06:53.640 --> 00:06:55.920 And so we started it again in September. 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:02.800 October 6th is when we established or reestablished the DCRC, Development Code Review Committee. 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:04.920 We've got a pretty aggressive schedule. 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.120 We'd like to take things forward as soon as possible. 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:13.600 Obviously, with the holidays and with some of the City Council changes, we may pause 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:19.440 a little bit, but ultimately, our goal is to get something done by spring of next year. 00:07:19.440 --> 00:07:23.720 So a lot of these code amendments will be brought forward to the Planning Zoning Commission 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:25.920 and ultimately to City Council. 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:31.200 But again, I wanted to share this with you because you are part of the Zoning Board of 00:07:31.200 --> 00:07:32.200 Adjustment. 00:07:32.200 --> 00:07:35.240 There are code amendments related, and we want to make sure that you are aware of those 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:39.760 code amendments that are being brought forward. 00:07:39.760 --> 00:07:46.400 So the ones that we're going to speak specifically today is related to the composition, the overall 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:52.880 operation procedures for the Zoning Board of Adjustment, appeal of administrative decisions. 00:07:52.880 --> 00:07:54.920 These come to the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:07:54.920 --> 00:08:03.580 So if there is a appeal to a decision by an applicant, property owner, whoever, they have 00:08:03.580 --> 00:08:10.000 to follow a procedure, and there's a time and there's a way to submit all of those. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:16.760 And again, ultimately, the Zoning Board is the body that decides, makes the final decision 00:08:16.760 --> 00:08:20.240 on those appeals. 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:25.440 In addition, interpretation procedures, that's something that is offered to our development 00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:27.520 community and/or citizens. 00:08:27.520 --> 00:08:32.800 They have the opportunity to request, and again, this goes to the Zoning Board of Adjustment 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:36.160 for your consideration. 00:08:36.160 --> 00:08:41.680 And then there are a number of non-substantive changes just to clarify certain dates and 00:08:41.680 --> 00:08:43.800 due dates and other things like that. 00:08:43.800 --> 00:08:49.000 So again, I'll go through that in my presentation in a little bit. 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:53.160 Okay, so does anybody have any questions before we get going? 00:08:53.160 --> 00:08:56.480 And I'm going to drop my screen so that we can see everybody. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:03.680 I don't know where Jennifer went, hopefully. 00:09:03.680 --> 00:09:04.680 I'm here. 00:09:04.680 --> 00:09:06.160 I just turned off my video. 00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:07.160 Oh, okay. 00:09:07.160 --> 00:09:08.640 So just want to make sure we have quorum. 00:09:08.640 --> 00:09:09.640 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:09.640 --> 00:09:10.640 You're there. 00:09:10.640 --> 00:09:14.840 So anybody have any questions on the code amendments, the process, what we're doing, why we're doing 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:15.840 it? 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:20.840 Again, just want to make sure that we have your buy-in and we want to make sure that 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.400 you're all involved, at least, in what's going on. 00:09:24.400 --> 00:09:30.880 Okay, having read this in advance, there was a shortening of the time period in which members 00:09:30.880 --> 00:09:33.960 of the public could respond to certain things. 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:41.760 Yeah, when I get to that point, and I'll bring it up, and again, specifically, we're responding 00:09:41.760 --> 00:09:47.280 to House Bill 2497, but let me get to that presentation and, Jennifer, if you can interrupt 00:09:47.280 --> 00:09:53.200 me if I don't see you raise your hand or whatnot, we can discuss that further. 00:09:53.200 --> 00:10:04.920 Okay, so going back to the presentation. 00:10:04.920 --> 00:10:11.280 So the first code amendment that we are proposing or recommending staff is, is really to bring 00:10:11.280 --> 00:10:18.840 back the composition statements that were in the prior development code. 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:27.280 We updated the code in 2019, and what we just stated was to reference the Municipal Code 00:10:27.280 --> 00:10:30.520 of Orrences when it talks about the Board of Adjustment. 00:10:30.520 --> 00:10:39.640 However, we feel that is more customer service-friendly if we had that information in the code itself, 00:10:39.640 --> 00:10:46.840 and so what you see here underlined is what we're proposing to include in the 2019 development 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:47.840 code. 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.800 And again, it really lists stuff that we already know. 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:56.680 Again, we're just bringing it back, but just to summarize what we're proposing is that 00:10:56.680 --> 00:11:04.240 the language you see here is that the ZBA is a member of, is made up of seven members 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:11.200 and that they are appointed by the City Council and their terms are staggered with two-year 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:12.200 terms each. 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:18.280 Ron, I've got a question about that. 00:11:18.280 --> 00:11:19.280 Yes. 00:11:19.280 --> 00:11:23.040 So we're term-limited as well on this commission, like other, is that right? 00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:28.320 Like do boards and commissions, like they also have term limits of three two-year terms 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:29.320 each? 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:30.320 Correct. 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:31.320 Correct. 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:32.320 Yes. 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:33.440 Does that need to be included in this clause here? 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:39.080 So when you mean other boards of commission or just? 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:46.520 So if we have term limits of three consecutive two-year terms on the Zoning Board of Adjustments, 00:11:46.520 --> 00:11:49.320 does that need to be included in that clause, that first clause? 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:50.840 Oh, I see what you mean. 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:51.840 Okay. 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:56.240 Let me go back and turn my screen. 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.800 So I have to go back and forth to make sure we see everybody, because with the PowerPoint 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:05.960 presentation, it's hard to see everyone's. 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:07.760 So let me flip over to... 00:12:07.760 --> 00:12:17.320 So yes, there is mention of that, and it may not be here, and that's a good question. 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:23.440 I thought it may be on this next slide as it relates to a three-year term. 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:31.440 It may be an all-encompassing board and commission three-year term, and that's more likely in 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.960 the Code of Ordinances, so that's more likely where it's covered. 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:36.720 So good question. 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:43.120 I think, based on our proposal or recommendation, I think it's fine if we don't include it here 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:50.480 in that we just refer that portion to the Code of Ordinances, where it speaks to the 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.760 ultimate three-year term, three-time terms. 00:12:52.760 --> 00:12:53.760 Perfect. 00:12:53.760 --> 00:12:54.760 Yeah, as long as it's included somewhere. 00:12:54.760 --> 00:12:57.760 And if we're only seeing a segment, that's why we're coming to you. 00:12:57.760 --> 00:12:58.760 No, no, no. 00:12:58.760 --> 00:12:59.760 Great. 00:12:59.760 --> 00:13:00.760 Yeah, because it's included somewhere else, then I get it. 00:13:00.760 --> 00:13:01.760 I just wanted to bring that up. 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:02.760 Yes. 00:13:02.760 --> 00:13:03.760 Yes. 00:13:03.760 --> 00:13:04.760 There's a bigger... 00:13:04.760 --> 00:13:06.400 The Code of Ordinances, I believe, covers all that. 00:13:06.400 --> 00:13:09.760 Like I said, I thought it was on this one, but it's not. 00:13:09.760 --> 00:13:10.760 Okay. 00:13:10.760 --> 00:13:11.760 Okay. 00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:12.760 Thank you. 00:13:12.760 --> 00:13:20.060 So the other portion of this is on the composition is also the alternates, as you all know that 00:13:20.060 --> 00:13:26.680 there are three alternates to the Zoning Board of Adjustment, and basically what this identifies 00:13:26.680 --> 00:13:35.440 or lists is that how they're also assigned and also appointed, that is, and they also 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.200 serve a two-year term. 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:44.520 They are also a first, a second, and third alternate, and as you all know, if one member 00:13:44.520 --> 00:13:47.880 is absent, the first alternate will take that place. 00:13:47.880 --> 00:13:54.120 If there's a second member that's absent, the second alternate will take that place. 00:13:54.120 --> 00:14:01.280 So this is to ensure that we have quorum at all times, and because it's such an important 00:14:01.280 --> 00:14:07.480 scheduling thing to have members present, because we do have a time limit in considering 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:14.480 applications, and again, postponing a meeting may not be the best thing to have, especially 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:18.600 if it is required per state law. 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:25.120 Number three relates to the two-year term, as we spoke earlier, and again, the alternates 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:33.620 serve the same time frame and staggeredness of making sure that there is always a person 00:14:33.620 --> 00:14:39.240 or member in the meetings. 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:47.000 So we get into the general procedures with the Zoning Board of Adjustment, again, much 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:53.080 of this you already know, but what we're trying to do again is bring these statements and 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:58.360 these provisions back into the development code, so it's more or less our opportunity 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:04.160 to make sure that our development community and our citizens understand what is required 00:15:04.160 --> 00:15:05.800 of the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:15:05.800 --> 00:15:12.280 So for general purposes or procedures, in order to have a meeting, we need a minimum 00:15:12.280 --> 00:15:18.280 of six members, which for this meeting we have, that the Zoning Board of Adjustment 00:15:18.280 --> 00:15:23.600 may adopt rules to govern its proceedings, and this is something that we probably will 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:27.140 need in the future to discuss further. 00:15:27.140 --> 00:15:33.360 There's some rules and procedures that we, the staff, would like to discuss with you 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:39.280 all, but it's not covered under this agenda item, but we will certainly bring this up 00:15:39.280 --> 00:15:41.640 at a future meeting. 00:15:41.640 --> 00:15:48.240 That the meetings of the Zoning Board of Adjustment may be held at the call of the chairperson 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:53.560 and vice chair as well in certain situations, and that the Zoning Board of Adjustment keeps 00:15:53.560 --> 00:15:59.120 minutes, and we all know that we do keep minutes, and that's something that will be considered 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:03.720 later on this agenda. 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:14.840 So here's the first part of the procedures that relate to House Bill 2497, and I'm going 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:25.160 to stop and share, sorry, to stop the presentation, and bring up that House Bill that was included 00:16:25.160 --> 00:16:26.160 in your packet. 00:16:26.160 --> 00:16:32.520 Hopefully you all had an opportunity to look at that, and let me see if I can bring it 00:16:32.520 --> 00:16:50.720 up here one second. 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:58.120 So hopefully you all can see the document on the screen, House Bill 2497, again, where 00:16:58.120 --> 00:16:59.120 it is underlined. 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:09.360 This was passed in 2019, where it is underlined is what was added to the Texas Local Government 00:17:09.360 --> 00:17:12.960 Code, Section 211. 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:20.440 One of the things that was added is that the provision to have a person that's not related 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:29.640 to a specific application address or project be able to appeal a decision to the Board 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:31.800 of Adjustment. 00:17:31.800 --> 00:17:39.640 It also clarified that any person that's related, so you have not related, and you also have 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:46.100 related to an application under which there are different provisions, but this area was 00:17:46.100 --> 00:17:50.840 expanded as part of House Bill 2497. 00:17:50.840 --> 00:18:01.840 In addition, I think this is where Board Member Jennifer mentioned the time in which the appeal 00:18:01.840 --> 00:18:06.120 must be filed and considered. 00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:12.760 So the appeal must be filed not later than 20 days after the decision has been made, 00:18:12.760 --> 00:18:17.180 or prior it was just a reasonable time as determined by the rules of the Board. 00:18:17.180 --> 00:18:25.400 So the Texas Local Government Code specifically states that an appeal must be made 20 days 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.320 after the date of the decision. 00:18:27.320 --> 00:18:32.120 So that is what will be presented as part of the code amendment. 00:18:32.120 --> 00:18:38.200 I just wanted to share with you how it fits in with the Texas Local Government Code. 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:40.760 In addition, yes, Jennifer. 00:18:40.760 --> 00:18:44.360 Just to mention that it says 20 days, not 20 business days, so I don't know if they've 00:18:44.360 --> 00:18:52.000 clarified that to be literally 20 days, including Saturdays and Sundays, or whether it includes 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:57.520 the day of the decision, just so that people know. 00:18:57.520 --> 00:19:02.320 When there's a specific number like that, it's easier to miss by a day. 00:19:02.320 --> 00:19:03.320 Right. 00:19:03.320 --> 00:19:04.320 Right. 00:19:04.320 --> 00:19:07.560 To misinterpret it, it may be necessary to ask the state for clarification. 00:19:07.560 --> 00:19:13.480 We can, and I think we have, when I bring up the code amendment, we can certainly make 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:19.960 that part of our code and then verify that further with the state. 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:29.640 I think the last addition to House Bill 2497 was also this meeting where we notice for 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:36.320 an appeal for one meeting date, but not have a decision. 00:19:36.320 --> 00:19:41.920 I think some of you were involved in one recently, I think it was in October of last year, where 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:46.040 we had to meet the following meeting date. 00:19:46.040 --> 00:19:52.200 It just needs to be a 24-hour difference, and so that happened, again, in October of 00:19:52.200 --> 00:20:00.040 last year, but must be considered within 60 days after the date the appeal was filed. 00:20:00.040 --> 00:20:05.440 This was added in June, or this was part of the House Bill that was passed in June, and 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:13.080 we actually applied it for an application that was appealed in October of last year. 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:18.440 That's something that we're planning to include in the development code amendments. 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:23.600 Let me go back to the code amendments. 00:20:23.600 --> 00:20:32.320 You can see that we've added where the provision states that anyone that's not related, as 00:20:32.320 --> 00:20:37.080 well as anyone that's related to the project with the provisions here, so that's covered 00:20:37.080 --> 00:20:39.600 in our code. 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:45.680 This is the section, I think, that you're referring to, or, remember, Jennifer Layne. 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:52.040 An appeal shall be submitted to the Development Services Board not later than the 24th date, 00:20:52.040 --> 00:21:00.000 so maybe this is where we can add calendar days, and that's a good point, and I don't 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:01.920 see any issues with that. 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:07.640 I think what we're trying to do with our development code is to stick consistently with calendar 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:21.240 days rather than business days, so we can clean that up with this particular provision. 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:30.140 I think two more here related to the appeal stating that anybody at a public meeting related 00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:36.280 to an appeal, any interested party, may appear before the Board of Adjustment. 00:21:36.280 --> 00:21:41.440 This kind of goes over that process, and if there's any action or variance authorizing 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:48.840 the issuance of a building permit or COA or certificate of occupancy, CEO that is, that 00:21:48.840 --> 00:21:55.920 they will be only valid for 90 days, so this is, again, just more technicality just to 00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:01.720 cover that, again, if this ever was needed to happen or needed to be verified, we have 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:09.440 it, and then this is, again, where we cover the 60-day Zoning Board of Adjustment shall 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:16.160 decide an appeal at the next meeting for which notices can be, you know, be provided following 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:23.040 the meeting, and no later than 60 days, again, maybe put calendar days here as well so that 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:32.760 we're clear that it's calendar days from the date of the appeal when it was submitted. 00:22:32.760 --> 00:22:41.520 So moving on to the other sections of the code, this is, again, related to the Zoning 00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:42.960 Board of Adjustment. 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:50.520 This is under Section 234, which is our administration and procedure section, and basically what 00:22:50.520 --> 00:22:55.120 we're saying here and just providing that clarification that the Zoning Board of Adjustment 00:22:55.120 --> 00:23:01.600 shall be the body responsible for hearing appeals of administrative decisions under 00:23:01.600 --> 00:23:10.840 this CDC and then in accordance with 211.010, which is that version that I shared with you 00:23:10.840 --> 00:23:14.760 that was part of the House Bill 2497. 00:23:14.760 --> 00:23:24.960 Further, within that same administration procedure section, we clarify that the six-member concurring 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:26.600 vote is required. 00:23:26.600 --> 00:23:31.960 Just to be clear, when someone asks, "Well, what is 75% of the members?" 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:36.440 What we're saying is it's six members, so you need six members of the board in order 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:39.800 to approve a variance application. 00:23:39.800 --> 00:23:43.480 This is more or less for clarification purposes. 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:50.160 This right here following, on the second part of this, is that any Zoning Board of Adjustment 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:55.960 will always be heard by a minimum of six members, and again, just to restate that, in order 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.360 to meet quorum, we need six members. 00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:02.280 The next slide here is just more clarification. 00:24:02.280 --> 00:24:04.520 It is not the Zoning Board of Appeals. 00:24:04.520 --> 00:24:12.360 It's the Zoning Board of Adjustment, so just more cleanup on our end. 00:24:12.360 --> 00:24:18.200 This specifically refers to a section, again, under Administrative and Procedures, where 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:21.640 we talk about the related and not related. 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:29.440 Again, for what we saw earlier in the House Bill 31, that's part 2497, we're just outlining 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:37.480 it here in this part of the code in a little bit more detail under this section. 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:43.200 Again, 2.83 is an Appeal to Administrative Decision. 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:52.040 What we were on prior, where it was the Procedures section, this is related to specifically Administrative 00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:56.680 Appeals. 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.440 The time limit, again, we went from, well, we initially had 10 days. 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:07.120 We're going to 20 to be consistent with the House Bill that was passed. 00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:11.880 We also talk about the stays of proceeding. 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:22.640 What this means, basically, is that if there is an Appeal, that certain items must remain 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.280 stayed until that decision has been made on the appeal. 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:32.360 So again, those certain applications must remain undecided, that is, until the appeal 00:25:32.360 --> 00:25:37.400 is processed and considered. 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.680 Ron, I have a question on that past slide. 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:41.680 It's Kate Linus. 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:42.680 Yes. 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:46.280 Let me stop my screen and go ahead. 00:25:46.280 --> 00:25:47.280 Okay. 00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:54.640 So on that slide, you've got the change from 10 business days to 20 business days, but 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:58.360 we need to clarify whether we really mean business days. 00:25:58.360 --> 00:26:00.040 No, you're absolutely correct. 00:26:00.040 --> 00:26:02.720 That should say calendar days to be consistent. 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:04.480 That should say calendar. 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:05.480 Okay. 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:09.240 Thank you for that. 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:11.280 Yeah. 00:26:11.280 --> 00:26:21.960 Yeah, so we have areas also mentioning in that 60 days, again, here, and again, this 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:26.200 is part of the Administrative or the Appeal on Administrative Decisions. 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.840 So again, I know it's redundant, but again, this is a different section that speaks to 00:26:30.840 --> 00:26:31.840 this matter. 00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:36.200 We want to make sure that that is covered here as well. 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:44.000 A little bit more clarification, again, correction in this particular section, but then underneath 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:48.920 that is again, it's more clarification that now we're talking about interpretations. 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.560 Now, there hasn't been a number of interpretations that the Sonia Board of Adjustment have seen 00:26:53.560 --> 00:26:57.240 recently, but there may be in the future. 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:04.360 So this is again to clarify that any interpretation may be appealed to the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:11.760 Again, again, it's part of that section that we discussed prior. 00:27:11.760 --> 00:27:12.760 I wanted... 00:27:12.760 --> 00:27:16.160 So that was it on the Code Amendments. 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:17.920 I don't know if you all have any questions. 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:24.560 I feel that is pretty much an exercise of making sure that we are in line or aligned 00:27:24.560 --> 00:27:32.600 with state provisions and also to correct some minor typos or correct references. 00:27:32.600 --> 00:27:40.040 But again, to reestablish the procedures and the composition back in the Development Code 00:27:40.040 --> 00:27:46.520 to be more customer friendly and also to be clear as to what the procedures are. 00:27:46.520 --> 00:27:51.660 So anyone that's looking has an easier way of understanding it. 00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:56.120 So that's the exercise that we're trying to do, and we wanted to make sure that you all 00:27:56.120 --> 00:27:57.120 are aware of that. 00:27:57.120 --> 00:28:03.200 I wanted to put a list together of all of the things that could come to the Zoning Board 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:10.680 of Adjustment as an appeal of an administrative decision. 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:19.440 We have a number of applications from Zoning Complaints Plan all the way through interpretations. 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:25.700 But again, ones that we've heard recently back in October was specifically to an appeal 00:28:25.700 --> 00:28:27.080 to an administrative decision. 00:28:27.080 --> 00:28:35.100 But there could be others that, again, would require the Zoning Board of Adjustment's consideration 00:28:35.100 --> 00:28:36.100 and decision. 00:28:36.100 --> 00:28:42.960 So this is just a list of what those applications could be. 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.040 And that concludes my presentation, and I'll be happy to staff for any further questions 00:28:48.040 --> 00:28:50.640 or any other comments. 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:58.560 >> Ron, this is David, a couple of things came to mind. 00:28:58.560 --> 00:29:05.060 The provision whereby you are struck from being a member of the board applies to Zoom 00:29:05.060 --> 00:29:09.520 meetings, as well as any other, it's a live meeting, right? 00:29:09.520 --> 00:29:10.520 >> That's correct. 00:29:10.520 --> 00:29:18.080 And I don't know if Matt can help me with this one, but I believe there was a -- from 00:29:18.080 --> 00:29:23.480 the governor's action, I believe, I don't know the term specifically, but it gives us 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:30.640 the opportunity to hold meetings via Zoom as long as it's posted, and we have the opportunity 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.640 to have people comment. 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:33.640 >> Okay. 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:34.640 That makes sense. 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:42.000 And the asset where it said members may be removed for callings, I assume that just refers 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.320 back to the ethics ordinance. 00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:45.320 >> That's correct. 00:29:45.320 --> 00:29:51.760 The city council would have to make that motion, and there has to be some sort of reasoning 00:29:51.760 --> 00:29:52.760 for that action. 00:29:52.760 --> 00:30:02.320 >> But, again, within the stipulation of the ethics ordinance? 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:05.520 >> That is my understanding, there has to be some sort of reason, and obviously they 00:30:05.520 --> 00:30:10.800 would have to reference either the ethics -- most likely it would be the ethics section 00:30:10.800 --> 00:30:17.440 or maybe something else that is referenced, and I'm not going to say it's only the ethics 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:18.440 ordinance. 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.720 There may be other things that they can reference as well. 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.600 >> Could you repeat what David's question is, because his speech is a little blurry 00:30:26.600 --> 00:30:30.800 coming through my headset, a bit blurry or without it, too? 00:30:30.800 --> 00:30:36.400 >> Sure, and then David, interrupt me if I misspeak. 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:44.280 Board member Hagens was referring to the clause that the council member can remove a zoning 00:30:44.280 --> 00:30:50.800 board of adjustment under a certain situation, but that's what he was referring to. 00:30:50.800 --> 00:30:55.480 >> I didn't hear what the question was, so now I really don't know what you guys are 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:56.480 talking about. 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:06.760 >> I'll just say to everyone, I lost my headset, Jennifer, or at least I realized it's fuzzy. 00:31:06.760 --> 00:31:09.760 I'm aware of that, sorry. 00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:13.180 >> Yeah, I'm just trying to follow what the conversation was, because I could hear Ron, 00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:16.240 but not yourself, clearly. 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.380 >> David, can you repeat your question? 00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:23.040 >> Maybe what the subject even is. 00:31:23.040 --> 00:31:29.960 >> Well, the question was at the very outset, under what I think was paragraph one when 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:37.160 Ron was reading, it said that a board member may be removed by cause from the council, 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:43.520 and I said I assume that that just refers back to the ethics ordinance requirements, 00:31:43.520 --> 00:31:49.120 and his answer, as I understand it, was that's true, maybe not limited to what the ordinance 00:31:49.120 --> 00:31:52.120 says, but certainly within what the ordinance says. 00:31:52.120 --> 00:31:58.080 >> Okay, yeah, so what for cause means, thanks. 00:31:58.080 --> 00:32:00.840 >> Okay. 00:32:00.840 --> 00:32:06.040 As we go through the code amendments, like I said, if there's anything that changes or 00:32:06.040 --> 00:32:12.480 comes up that I feel is something that the board should be aware of, I'll certainly make 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:21.200 mention of it in future meetings. 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.280 So Amber, if we can move on to the next item. 00:32:24.280 --> 00:32:30.080 >> All right, it's my first time chairing a Zoom meeting, so okay, thank you. 00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:33.680 So that concludes the work session item 2A, correct? 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:34.680 >> Correct. 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:35.880 >> Okay, thank you, okay. 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:41.280 So the next item on the agenda is item 3A, item for consideration, we are considering 00:32:41.280 --> 00:32:50.720 approval of the minutes of October 28th and October 29th, 2019, and November 18th, 2019. 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.800 Were there any corrections to the minutes? 00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:57.200 Commissioner Lane, did you have a comment? 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:05.520 >> Yes, I just wanted to suggest that we consider them as a group, move to consider approval 00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:10.960 of the minutes in their entirety, all three at once, and then if there's a second, then 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.760 we can of course discuss anything that needs to be changed in them if there is. 00:33:15.760 --> 00:33:17.760 >> I'll second that. 00:33:17.760 --> 00:33:25.200 >> Okay, so we are voting on whether or not to approve the minutes as a whole or discuss 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.280 them as a whole, is that correct, Commissioner Lane? 00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:35.880 >> The motion is to approve them and with a second, then discussion can occur. 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.000 >> So is there any discussion of the minutes? 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.280 I did look over them, it was a really long, complicated meeting, but it didn't stand out 00:33:43.280 --> 00:33:46.560 in my memory because it was that back-to-back one that we had. 00:33:46.560 --> 00:33:53.480 I didn't see any big changes or anything that was, you know, staring, that was evident to 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:54.480 me. 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.360 Did anyone else have anything to add to the minutes or correct? 00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:08.480 Okay, so hearing no objection, I guess we have a motion and a second to approve the 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:09.480 minutes. 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.440 All those in favor, if you could just raise your hand visibly. 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.360 Any opposed? 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:21.680 >> Chair, can I ask the legal question real quick? 00:34:21.680 --> 00:34:29.800 Mac, would they need to respond or raise their hand, would that be sufficient for the vote? 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:35.640 >> As a matter of practice, I shouldn't say policy, but as practice, we've been having 00:34:35.640 --> 00:34:41.680 a roll call vote, so we've gone one by one just to have a verbal yay or nay from each 00:34:41.680 --> 00:34:45.800 member of the board. 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:46.800 >> Thank you. 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:53.000 Again, this is my first Zoom, Chair, so do I -- should I call on each Commissioner individually 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:54.880 then as the Chair I call on them? 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:55.880 >> Yes, ma'am. 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:56.880 >> Okay. 00:34:56.880 --> 00:35:00.920 Then I'm just going to go left to right, top to bottom, what I see on my screen, Commissioner 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.200 Meissner, how do you vote? 00:35:03.200 --> 00:35:04.640 >> Approved. 00:35:04.640 --> 00:35:10.000 >> It was broken up, but I heard you say approved. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.000 Correct? 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.000 >> Yes. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.000 Aye, yes. 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:14.000 >> Thank you. 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.000 Commissioner Redwine, how do you vote? 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.000 >> Approved. 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.000 >> Commissioner Higgins? 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.000 You're on mute, sir. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.000 >> Aye. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.000 >> Commissioner Linus? 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.000 >> I approve. 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.040 >> And Vice Chair Lane? 00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:26.040 >> Yay. 00:35:26.040 --> 00:35:28.120 >> And I also approve. 00:35:28.120 --> 00:35:43.760 So the minutes are approved unanimously. 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:51.240 The last item for consideration is item 3b, where we look at the calendar for next year, 00:35:51.240 --> 00:35:56.200 consider approval of the 2021 ZBA meeting calendar. 00:35:56.200 --> 00:35:58.200 >> Can that be a screen share? 00:35:58.200 --> 00:35:59.200 >> Yes. 00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:02.960 >> I didn't see any big issues, but I know we typically like to talk about the November 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.280 and December months in particular. 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:16.600 >> Let me bring it up, and I'll share it out with the group. 00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:24.440 I know it's kind of small, but I can move up and down if I need to. 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:29.360 Typically they are the last Monday of every month. 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:37.800 There are some Mondays that we obviously adjust accordingly, specifically May is one that 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:43.880 is not the last Monday of the month. 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.160 The other one, I think that's it. 00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:56.240 I think what we need to discuss, I would recommend as staff is looking at the holidays, specifically 00:36:56.240 --> 00:37:03.720 November, Thanksgiving, and then December between the Christmas holiday and New Year's, 00:37:03.720 --> 00:37:06.120 there's a zoning board adjustment. 00:37:06.120 --> 00:37:11.760 That's something maybe the board can discuss specifically. 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:16.920 >> We went through this last year and made adjustments, but this year with both Christmas 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:24.000 and New Year's coming at the end of a week, I think that having it on the 27th is the 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.000 best you could possibly do. 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.000 You wouldn't want to move it up to the 13th. 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.880 It would only be two weeks behind November. 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:32.880 >> Okay. 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:40.800 >> So everyone can see this, right? 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:50.240 So I was going to say, it may be difficult to get a quorum and staff is going to be requesting 00:37:50.240 --> 00:37:54.300 time off that week between Christmas and New Year's as well. 00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:59.280 I would recommend moving it up if we could. 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:05.480 And maybe even that Monday after Thanksgiving, I don't know if we could also move up that 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.520 last week of November to the Monday prior or even the Monday before that. 00:38:10.520 --> 00:38:16.080 Again, just keeping in mind, you know, people didn't get to see family for Thanksgiving 00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:19.800 or Christmas this year, and I bet next year there's going to be -- I hope that we can 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:25.720 see our families again, and so I'm just concerned about making quorum and having staff available 00:38:25.720 --> 00:38:29.720 during those holiday weeks, especially after a pandemic year when we can maybe pilot it 00:38:29.720 --> 00:38:30.720 together again. 00:38:30.720 --> 00:38:36.640 So I would recommend moving both the November and the December meeting up if possible. 00:38:36.640 --> 00:38:41.400 And I know we can call a special meeting if we need to, like, if there's really something 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.960 important that they didn't meet the timeline, we could always call a special meeting. 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:45.960 That's just my suggestion. 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.960 >> Could we not -- sorry. 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.360 >> Commissioner Redwine. 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.720 >> Could we combine November, December to an early December meeting? 00:38:55.720 --> 00:39:00.240 I know if we had a call for a 30-day, you know, I think there's a 30-day window we have 00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:07.880 to have if something comes up, could we do something like that? 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.680 >> What say you, Ron, and Mac, is that a thing that the city could do? 00:39:12.680 --> 00:39:13.680 >> I think that's a possibility. 00:39:13.680 --> 00:39:20.960 I think we probably would need to have a meeting in November, and then -- and I don't know 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:27.440 if, obviously, if it's the last Monday or if it's earlier, one, I think, obviously, 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.920 we're meeting November 30th today, so it's not going to work, but I think the December 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:37.160 one is a little bit more difficult just because of where it sits. 00:39:37.160 --> 00:39:41.040 Having an earlier meeting in December might be consideration. 00:39:41.040 --> 00:39:45.760 >> Commissioner Lane, what were you going to put? 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.800 >> Yes, I was just looking at the calendar, and just the way it's laid out, given that 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:58.160 October is a sort of long month, and we would be the 25th of October, perhaps we could use 00:39:58.160 --> 00:40:04.620 the 22nd of November, and then an earlier day in December, and they would be pretty 00:40:04.620 --> 00:40:10.200 well spaced out, at least approximately four weeks from the October 1 to -- October 25th 00:40:10.200 --> 00:40:19.760 to November 22nd, and then if we show as an early one in December, it would be three weeks, 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.340 not two. 00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:26.720 >> So I'm hearing November 22nd. 00:40:26.720 --> 00:40:31.160 Are we saying December 13th or December 20th? 00:40:31.160 --> 00:40:35.000 >> Either one is reasonably fine, but if you think people will be taking vacation on the 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.700 20th, perhaps the 13th would be better, and if we're moving -- if we're thinking in terms 00:40:39.700 --> 00:40:46.120 of the October 25th, four weeks later, that making it one week earlier in December, then 00:40:46.120 --> 00:40:55.280 if we did use December 13th, it wouldn't be such a short amount of time between the two, 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.040 the only one week short rather than two. 00:40:58.040 --> 00:41:04.520 >> This kicks the can down the road for January 2022. 00:41:04.520 --> 00:41:13.520 >> Well, and we can't -- there is always the option to call a special meeting if, you know, 00:41:13.520 --> 00:41:17.960 if there's an applicant who can't meet a particular deadline for whatever reason. 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.080 There is a process for us to call a special meeting. 00:41:21.080 --> 00:41:26.240 I'm just, you know, again, just concerned about quorum, and, you know, staff deserves 00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:28.520 a break, too, once in a while. 00:41:28.520 --> 00:41:32.880 So, Commissioner Lane, I like that suggestion that, you know, that -- I think that seems 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.880 like a reasonable compromise. 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.920 Is there anyone else with any input about that? 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:42.640 >> No, I didn't take the same question I would have it be that November 22nd date, but, you 00:41:42.640 --> 00:41:44.560 know, that's the other question. 00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:48.080 It would be a holiday week. 00:41:48.080 --> 00:41:54.280 >> Perhaps the problem is the week after is even more caught up in the holiday. 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.480 >> Yeah, speaking as a small business owner, I can tell you how hard it was for me on Cyber 00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.440 Monday to make this meeting today. 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:09.040 So, yes, I would actually prefer something before Thanksgiving rather than after. 00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:17.440 >> Actually, I think that the 20 -- talking on December, I think that if you were flipping 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:23.440 between 20th and 27th, and I realize that a lot of you don't want either one of those, 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:29.400 20 would be worse than the 27th, I think, in terms of generating a quorum. 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:40.020 >> We're actually considering the 13th, if we move the November to the 22nd. 00:42:40.020 --> 00:42:41.020 >> So do we -- 00:42:41.020 --> 00:42:45.040 >> You can kick the can down the road on January 22 and deal with it at the time. 00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:51.920 I'm just saying let's recognize that that's what we're doing. 00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.880 >> And I hear that concern, Commissioner Higgins, and that's why I mentioned that there's, you 00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:01.280 know, if that's too long of a wait between December 13th and the last Monday of January 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.080 2022, that there is a process to call a special meeting if an applicant, you know, requests 00:43:07.080 --> 00:43:08.080 that. 00:43:08.080 --> 00:43:11.720 So -- but we don't know what, you know, 2022 will look like. 00:43:11.720 --> 00:43:15.920 We can only kind of look ahead with what we have here. 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:23.520 So if -- is there, like -- do we need to make a motion wrong to approve Jennifer's suggestion 00:43:23.520 --> 00:43:24.520 of -- yeah? 00:43:24.520 --> 00:43:25.520 Okay. 00:43:25.520 --> 00:43:31.760 So we'll just approve the calendar, and we will then use that for scheduling our meetings. 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:32.760 >> That sounds great. 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:34.560 So can I make a motion? 00:43:34.560 --> 00:43:35.560 >> Sure. 00:43:35.560 --> 00:43:41.760 Change the calendar to November 22nd and December 13th. 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:46.700 >> I'll second. 00:43:46.700 --> 00:43:51.640 >> We have a motion from Commissioner Lane and a second from Commissioner Redwine. 00:43:51.640 --> 00:43:55.880 Commissioner Meisner, how do you vote? 00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:01.280 >> I'll vote to approve. 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.600 >> Commissioner Redwine? 00:44:03.600 --> 00:44:06.760 >> I vote to approve. 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.080 >> Commissioner Higgins? 00:44:09.080 --> 00:44:10.080 >> Aye. 00:44:10.080 --> 00:44:11.640 >> Commissioner Linus? 00:44:11.640 --> 00:44:14.760 >> I vote to approve. 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.720 >> Commissioner Lane? 00:44:16.720 --> 00:44:17.720 >> Aye. 00:44:17.720 --> 00:44:22.120 >> And I also vote to approve. 00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:23.760 >> Okay. 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.120 Thank you. 00:44:26.120 --> 00:44:27.120 >> Okay. 00:44:27.120 --> 00:44:28.120 That's it. 00:44:28.120 --> 00:44:29.720 Are there any -- that's Section 4. 00:44:29.720 --> 00:44:32.320 Any concluding items for today? 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:36.320 Anything else to bring up? 00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:37.520 >> Floor doesn't have any. 00:44:37.520 --> 00:44:43.480 I just quickly mentioned that we do have applications for the coming month. 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:48.680 If not in December, we don't meet quorum in December, for sure, January. 00:44:48.680 --> 00:44:53.080 If you are available, please let me know. 00:44:53.080 --> 00:44:56.720 >> May I ask when the next meeting is scheduled for? 00:44:56.720 --> 00:44:58.120 I have forgotten. 00:44:58.120 --> 00:45:05.480 >> We are looking to meet December 14th, if we get six members, hopefully seven is the 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:06.480 goal. 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:16.280 If it's not in December, then it will be all the last Monday in January. 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:18.520 >> Great, thanks. 00:45:18.520 --> 00:45:20.520 So I think that's it. 00:45:20.520 --> 00:45:22.760 I guess I will close the meeting now. 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.320 The time is 3.48 p.m. 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.760 Thank you again, everyone, for joining us, and I look forward to seeing you if not December 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.360 14th, and I'll see you in the new year. 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:34.360 >> Great. 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:35.360 Thank you, everyone. 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:36.360 >> Bye. 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:44.360 [BLANK_AUDIO]